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Oct 12 06:21:19 <Youbi_> Hello, I can’t access the maemo wiki (I want to install the CSSU on my N900), is the server down?
Oct 12 06:21:45 <KotCzarny> looks like
Oct 12 06:23:15 <Oksana> So here, http and https too
Oct 12 06:24:12 <Youbi_> Ok ^^ Well, I’ll wait
Oct 12 06:24:52 <Youbi_> Should I first flash my phone using an image from http://maemo-repos.com/apt-mirror/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ ?
Oct 12 06:25:10 <Youbi_> (I bought the phone from someone, so the system is not ~clean)
Oct 12 06:25:18 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Oct 12 06:25:18 <infobot> hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Oct 12 06:25:28 <KotCzarny> use the second link and the script
Oct 12 06:25:48 <KotCzarny> much easier, also now the wiki is down you wont have to google for command lines
Oct 12 06:25:59 <KotCzarny> you dont have to dl firmware, script will do it
Oct 12 06:27:11 <Youbi_> Ok. I just have to run the script, and it won’t brick my phone?
Oct 12 06:27:16 <KotCzarny> yup
Oct 12 06:27:27 <KotCzarny> and n900 is unbrickable
Oct 12 06:27:34 <Youbi_> It will flash the eMMC and the FIASCO image?
Oct 12 06:27:45 <KotCzarny> yes, it will ask you if you want to flash both
Oct 12 06:27:54 <KotCzarny> or just rootfs
Oct 12 06:28:52 <Oksana>  /unbrickable/ What about infinite boot + broken USB ? Well, I guess, once USB is fixed, then infinite boot loop is fixable, too?
Oct 12 06:29:16 <KotCzarny> oksana, yes, by charging battery in other device
Oct 12 06:29:37 * Oksana has seen a few used N900 on EBay lately...
Oct 12 06:30:14 <Youbi_> Ok. So it’s quite easy ^^ I will try it at lunch time.
Oct 12 06:30:32 * Youbi_ has another n900 with broken USB
Oct 12 06:55:44 <ebzzry> I don't understand this "Unable to receive or send new messages. Device storage full. Remove data to free memory." None of the filesystems are full.
Oct 12 06:56:00 <KotCzarny> paste df
Oct 12 06:56:06 <ebzzry> df -h 
Oct 12 06:56:09 <ebzzry> oops
Oct 12 07:00:50 <ebzzry> KotCzarny: http://pastebin.com/aK7Ei4Nh
Oct 12 07:02:43 <KotCzarny> maybe sqlite db got corrupted
Oct 12 07:05:38 <ebzzry> KotCzarny: hmm
Oct 12 07:06:00 <ebzzry> I'll delete ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db and see if it works.
Oct 12 07:06:11 <KotCzarny> rename instead of moving
Oct 12 07:06:13 <Maxdamantus> You could just move it rather than delete it.
Oct 12 07:07:01 <ebzzry> Ok.
Oct 12 07:08:32 <Maxdamantus> and you'd do something like `killall rtcom-messaging-ui`, otherwise the running process will probably still have that file open (even if you "deleted" it)
Oct 12 07:11:57 <ebzzry> Maxdamantus: ok
Oct 12 07:30:35 <ebzzry> Moving and/or deleting it "fixed" it.
Oct 12 07:30:48 <ebzzry> Fortunately, I don't have messages in that DB, so it's fine.
Oct 12 08:40:30 <xes> wiki.maemo.org is up again
Oct 12 08:42:51 <bencoh> thx :)
Oct 12 10:52:42 <Youbi_> ~flasher
Oct 12 10:52:43 <infobot> hmm... flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Oct 12 10:53:00 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Oct 12 10:53:01 <infobot> maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Oct 12 10:53:12 <Youbi_> Oh, yep, not exactly the same ^^
Oct 12 10:53:21 <Youbi_> Thanks againk KotCzarny 
Oct 12 10:53:24 <Youbi_> again*
Oct 12 10:57:48 <Youbi_> ./flash-it-all.sh: maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory
Oct 12 10:57:52 <Youbi_> Humpf :/
Oct 12 10:58:01 <KotCzarny> 32bit app
Oct 12 10:58:10 <KotCzarny> install proper package first
Oct 12 10:59:10 <KotCzarny> doc: add checker to the script and some hint for the user
Oct 12 11:00:31 <Youbi_> KotCzarny: I have the proper package (glibc), but the flasher binary is 32 bit and my system is 64 bit. May it be the source of the problem?
Oct 12 11:00:44 <KotCzarny> thats what i've said
Oct 12 11:00:54 <KotCzarny> you need 32bit support libs
Oct 12 11:00:57 <Youbi_> Oh, ok.
Oct 12 11:00:59 <KotCzarny> apt-cache search 32bit etc
Oct 12 11:09:44 <Youbi_> Ok, I just had to install glibc.i686 and libusb.i686, and it worked. 
Oct 12 11:09:52 <Youbi_> My device is now booting.
Oct 12 11:10:15 <Youbi_> (I did all the process on CentOS)
Oct 12 11:10:35 <Youbi_> Should it reset the lock code?
Oct 12 11:11:13 <KotCzarny> nope
Oct 12 11:11:39 <Youbi_> Ok ^^
Oct 12 11:12:03 <Youbi_> Nice, all the datas and apps from the previous owner have been wiped \o/
Oct 12 11:12:16 <Youbi_> (which was my wish)
Oct 12 11:12:34 <KotCzarny> if you ever wanted to flash again, you can skip emmc
Oct 12 11:13:06 <Youbi_> Ok :)
Oct 12 11:13:32 <Youbi_> And now I can upgrade my system with the CSSU?
Oct 12 11:13:42 <KotCzarny> ~cssu
Oct 12 11:13:42 <infobot> hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Oct 12 11:13:50 <KotCzarny> yes, but read about it first
Oct 12 11:14:06 <Youbi_> Because it is not stable?
Oct 12 11:14:59 <KotCzarny> because it's important to know what you are doing
Oct 12 11:15:03 <KotCzarny> it's quite stable
Oct 12 11:15:14 <KotCzarny> if you are adventurous you can even go for cssu-thumb
Oct 12 11:20:10 <Youbi_> I already installed it on my previous n900, and was quite happy with it.
Oct 12 11:23:56 <KotCzarny> its based on cssu-testing
Oct 12 12:50:15 <zGrr> moin :)
Oct 12 15:06:24 <fladnag900> Kotczarnyyyyyyyyyyy
Oct 12 15:06:33 <KotCzarny> hmm?
Oct 12 15:06:33 <fladnag900> :)
Oct 12 15:06:41 <fladnag900> jo iam back
Oct 12 15:07:06 <fladnag900> you toldme i cuold remindyou
Oct 12 15:07:08 <fladnag900> ;P
Oct 12 15:08:12 <fladnag900> this snd support thing about oscp
Oct 12 15:09:34 <KotCzarny> ahm, k, but i havent been at home yet, should be in the next few days
Oct 12 15:09:57 <fladnag900> coool
Oct 12 15:10:00 <fladnag900> :)
Oct 12 15:10:37 <fladnag900> this wouldbe so cool
Oct 12 15:11:09 <fladnag900> ...idont think, there is another player under maemo who can do sdn eg atari-st
Oct 12 15:11:21 <fladnag900> or do you know ?
Oct 12 15:11:42 <fladnag900> DOES ANYONE CARE ABOUT ATARI MUSIC 
Oct 12 15:11:47 <fladnag900> :?)
Oct 12 15:12:00 <KotCzarny> well, its linux, and if there is any player with the source, you can compile it yourself
Oct 12 15:12:35 <fladnag900> also if aim not in coding
Oct 12 15:12:38 <KotCzarny> still, you seem newbiesh, so just waim
Oct 12 15:12:38 <fladnag900> ?
Oct 12 15:12:46 <KotCzarny> compiling is not coding
Oct 12 15:22:01 <fladnag900> gregoa ??
Oct 12 15:29:53 <fladnag900> DISCOPIG :D do YOU know of any mediaplayer for maemo that can atari .snd :)
Oct 12 15:30:13 <fladnag900> imean disco and chiptunes ...
Oct 12 15:30:28 <fladnag900> :D is practicly same
Oct 12 15:30:30 <fladnag900> xD
Oct 12 15:31:45 <fladnag900> disco-stu whats with U :D ... youknow there is the probably BEST st-musicmaker nemed STU ...
Oct 12 15:32:03 <fladnag900> ;)
Oct 12 15:39:13 <fladnag900> whats best offline navigation solution for n900 ?
Oct 12 15:39:29 <fladnag900> what about sygic ?
Oct 12 15:40:05 <fladnag900> you guys know if there is an extra channel for maemo/n900-navigation ??
Oct 12 15:40:22 <bencoh> I doubt it
Oct 12 15:40:30 <bencoh> #maemo is fine for that
Oct 12 15:40:37 <fladnag900> :)
Oct 12 15:40:59 <fladnag900> sooo
Oct 12 15:41:17 <wnd> IMO Sygic's application's UI is actually quite nice, although not without its problems
Oct 12 15:41:34 <bencoh> there is marble, mappero
Oct 12 15:41:45 <bencoh> modrana too iirc
Oct 12 15:41:48 <wnd> the data is obviously old
Oct 12 15:42:10 <fladnag900> wich data
Oct 12 15:42:31 <fladnag900> but VOICE navigation ...
Oct 12 15:42:43 <fladnag900> and OFFLINE ...
Oct 12 15:43:04 <wnd> while Sygic has a Windows-tool (works with Wine) to download fresh map data, that new data doesn't work with N900's version. The latest map data for N900 I have is from 2009 or 2008.
Oct 12 15:44:36 <fladnag900> ...offline and voice only with sygic am iright ?
Oct 12 15:45:10 <wnd> I really did like the fact that the application would read out loud road/route numbers, e.g. in 500 metres, take exit and turn left to E 75 or something like that
Oct 12 15:46:59 <fladnag900> but map-data from that time is for ALL countrys still downloadable ? you know that ?
Oct 12 15:47:31 <wnd> I strongly doubt the data is still available
Oct 12 15:47:40 <wnd> except for questionable sources
Oct 12 15:48:04 <fladnag900> thatsashame
Oct 12 15:48:47 <fladnag900> :) but with premiumizeme all torrents are usable again :D
Oct 12 15:48:58 <fladnag900> :P
Oct 12 16:19:18 <DocScrutinizer05> (([2015-10-12 Mon 12:59:10] <KotCzarny> doc: add checker to the script and some hint for the user)) any suggestions?
Oct 12 16:19:53 <KotCzarny> find out commands to install lib32 compatibility on debian/ubuntu/fedora/suse
Oct 12 16:20:14 <KotCzarny> as for checking ldd flasher-3.5 2>&1 |grep "not found"
Oct 12 16:20:37 <KotCzarny> similar hints for libusb-0.1
Oct 12 16:20:40 <KotCzarny> OR
Oct 12 16:21:05 <KotCzarny> just grab libs and run flasher with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./flasher-3.5
Oct 12 16:21:33 <KotCzarny> s/grab libs/include libs in archive/
Oct 12 16:21:33 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: just include libs in archive and run flasher with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./flasher-3.5
Oct 12 16:21:45 <DocScrutinizer05> errr aha, how would I do that on unknown target platform?
Oct 12 16:22:17 <KotCzarny> on unknown platform just print generic hint that 32bit libs and libusb-0.1 is needed
Oct 12 16:22:38 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly can do that
Oct 12 16:22:38 <KotCzarny> but most users who cant find it out by themselves just use some ubuntu
Oct 12 16:23:29 <KotCzarny> you dont even need to detect os, just one big hint with examples 
Oct 12 16:26:51 <DocScrutinizer05> a `ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo error` will need to do
Oct 12 16:27:34 <KotCzarny> you can define help function to keep the script tidy
Oct 12 16:29:28 <DocScrutinizer05> btw thanks for the sugestion on ldd
Oct 12 16:30:10 <KotCzarny> you can detect missing 32bit libs when ld-library is missing
Oct 12 16:30:21 <DocScrutinizer05> however I'd like to test that, but I have no system that lacks 32bit support
Oct 12 16:30:24 <KotCzarny> and libusb as another case
Oct 12 16:30:47 <KotCzarny> just chroot  it 
Oct 12 16:30:59 <KotCzarny> you will see when ld-lib is missing
Oct 12 16:31:27 <KotCzarny> or ask someone, most people use 64bit os nowadays
Oct 12 16:31:54 <KotCzarny> then you can just substitute ldd for cat for testing purposes
Oct 12 16:33:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm also using a 64 bit system, but it has proper 32 bit support
Oct 12 16:33:22 <DocScrutinizer05> so I can't test for exact output of ldd in case of error
Oct 12 16:33:30 <KotCzarny> uninstall package for a moment?
Oct 12 16:33:33 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Oct 12 16:34:09 <KotCzarny> then as i said, chroot
Oct 12 16:34:17 <KotCzarny> prepare some minimal one
Oct 12 16:34:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I leave that to somebody else, to provide pastebin of `ldd flasher-3.5 2`
Oct 12 16:35:01 <DocScrutinizer05> err `ldd flasher-3.5`
Oct 12 16:35:11 <KotCzarny> but for a quickie just hexedit flasher binary and change the ld-lib string to something else
Oct 12 16:35:17 <KotCzarny> ie. .2 into .3
Oct 12 16:35:40 <DocScrutinizer05> actually `LANG=C ldd flasher-3.5`
Oct 12 16:35:57 <KotCzarny> that too
Oct 12 16:45:09 <DocScrutinizer05> please check and pastebin output of ` ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager" `
Oct 12 16:45:41 <KotCzarny> mind you, it will also catch missing libusb
Oct 12 16:45:53 <KotCzarny> so you have 2 cases
Oct 12 16:45:55 <DocScrutinizer05> should be fine
Oct 12 16:46:12 <bencoh> missing libusb means missing 32b libusb anyway :)
Oct 12 16:46:22 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly
Oct 12 16:46:44 <KotCzarny> even with recent os but installed in 32bit?
Oct 12 16:46:57 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Oct 12 16:46:59 <bencoh> unrelated, but I wonder why KDE messed so much with marble version numbers
Oct 12 16:47:26 <KotCzarny> because i havent installed anything since slackware-8.0
Oct 12 16:47:32 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/12855364
Oct 12 16:47:35 <KotCzarny> (just updated packages from time to time)
Oct 12 16:48:05 <bencoh> (they renumbered at some point after marble-1.1 and decided to switch to KDE desktop version ... or something that looks like it)
Oct 12 16:49:09 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Oct 12 16:49:13 <infobot> somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Oct 12 16:49:25 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/7099935
Oct 12 16:50:28 <KotCzarny> your line resulted in nothing
Oct 12 16:50:56 <KotCzarny> unless you wanted to execute things in `` instead of the whole thing
Oct 12 16:52:12 <DocScrutinizer05> and ooops I searched for wrong libusb, this http://paste.opensuse.org/34908806 is right search
Oct 12 16:52:51 <DocScrutinizer05> my line results in nothing when no error occurs
Oct 12 16:53:18 <KotCzarny> i wonder if grep eats the error code
Oct 12 16:53:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what's your result of plain ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5
Oct 12 16:53:55 <KotCzarny> its a string
Oct 12 16:54:52 <KotCzarny> which you can put in: RES=`ldd .... 2>&1|grep not found` ; if [ "$RES" != "" ]; then echo error; else echo libs ok; fi
Oct 12 16:55:06 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry for my fuzzy question. What's the extact text on STDOUT and STDERR on your system when you do a `ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5`
Oct 12 16:56:28 <KotCzarny> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rYACPCsj
Oct 12 16:56:32 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks
Oct 12 16:57:08 <DocScrutinizer05> so, no error, "result = none" expected
Oct 12 16:57:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I already did this test on my own system
Oct 12 16:58:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I need somebody to test the error case
Oct 12 16:58:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and provide exact text of error messages, preferably with LANG=C
Oct 12 17:01:40 <KotCzarny> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RsemFFzM
Oct 12 17:01:58 <KotCzarny> this is the result when libusb-0.1 is missing (32bit os)
Oct 12 17:03:25 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks!
Oct 12 17:04:36 <DocScrutinizer05> could you please test ` LANG=C ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager" `
Oct 12 17:04:46 <KotCzarny> hmm, i remember there was a tool to relink binaries to glue dynamic libs into binary
Oct 12 17:05:24 <KotCzarny> so one could add libusb-0.1.so.4 into flasher and the only test case will be 64bit os
Oct 12 17:06:33 <KotCzarny> it fails
Oct 12 17:06:49 <KotCzarny> you should use the line i proposed (with RES= and if/fi
Oct 12 17:07:05 <KotCzarny>  ./check
Oct 12 17:07:05 <KotCzarny> ./check: line 5: libusb-0.1.so.4: command not found
Oct 12 17:07:11 <KotCzarny> this is how it fails
Oct 12 17:07:50 <DocScrutinizer05> why I "should use the line i proposed (with RES= and if/fi" ?
Oct 12 17:08:11 <KotCzarny> becuase if your first part fails, shell tries to execute grep output
Oct 12 17:08:20 <DocScrutinizer05> HUH?
Oct 12 17:08:28 <KotCzarny> *because
Oct 12 17:08:40 <KotCzarny> see above
Oct 12 17:08:50 <KotCzarny> i put your line into script and executed
Oct 12 17:08:52 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry I don't see anything above
Oct 12 17:08:55 <KotCzarny> it was exact output
Oct 12 17:09:03 <DocScrutinizer05> LANG=C ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager"
Oct 12 17:09:07 <DocScrutinizer05> works just fine here
Oct 12 17:09:41 <KotCzarny> please dont include `` then, i thought you wanted it too
Oct 12 17:10:02 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry for quoting the actual command
Oct 12 17:10:06 <KotCzarny> works without ``
Oct 12 17:10:18 <KotCzarny> ie. prints the echo contents
Oct 12 17:10:28 <KotCzarny> and nothing when no error
Oct 12 17:10:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess test LANG=C ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager"   wont work
Oct 12 17:10:48 <KotCzarny> also, add at the end: && exit
Oct 12 17:11:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I didn't add that since otherwise your shell would close
Oct 12 17:11:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm writing shell scripts since 25 years
Oct 12 17:11:46 <KotCzarny> not if that line was in the script
Oct 12 17:11:57 <DocScrutinizer05> it IS NOT
Oct 12 17:12:17 <KotCzarny> and pasting from multiline window usually breaks on terminal, thats why i always put it into script, then run the script
Oct 12 17:12:35 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah I should have guessed that
Oct 12 17:13:00 <KotCzarny> anyway, checker works, but mind you, i was testing libusb, and it printed error about 32bit libs
Oct 12 17:13:12 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Oct 12 17:13:28 <KotCzarny> i moved libusb out of the way for the test
Oct 12 17:13:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and?
Oct 12 17:14:01 <KotCzarny> so if someone has 32bit os but missing libusb-0.1 it will be misleading
Oct 12 17:14:05 <DocScrutinizer05> result was [2015-10-12 Mon 19:10:06] <KotCzarny> works without ``
Oct 12 17:14:15 <DocScrutinizer05> why?
Oct 12 17:14:22 <KotCzarny> (32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your  system's software pkg manager
Oct 12 17:14:26 <KotCzarny> its the message
Oct 12 17:14:36 <KotCzarny> ahm, sorry
Oct 12 17:14:41 <KotCzarny> you're right
Oct 12 17:14:42 <DocScrutinizer05> no, there must be a line before that
Oct 12 17:14:46 <KotCzarny> missed line before
Oct 12 17:15:40 <DocScrutinizer05> so, I finally got it right? :-D
Oct 12 17:15:49 <KotCzarny> at least for 32bit os case
Oct 12 17:15:56 <KotCzarny> now you have to test 64 one
Oct 12 17:16:09 <DocScrutinizer05> all the same, I hope
Oct 12 17:16:16 <KotCzarny> nope
Oct 12 17:16:47 <KotCzarny> scratch that. "i dont know"
Oct 12 17:16:52 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway that's what I asked for: could somebody please test this on a 64bit system with missing 32bit support
Oct 12 17:17:24 <KotCzarny> but for a quickie just move 32bit ld-linux.so.2 into some temporary dir and test
Oct 12 17:17:41 <KotCzarny> it should be enough, as its the first mandatory thing that is checked
Oct 12 17:17:58 <KotCzarny> and path is fixed: /lib/ld-linux.so.2
Oct 12 17:18:34 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't dare to mess with ld-linux on a workstation
Oct 12 17:18:37 <KotCzarny> (unless they did 64bit ld-linux with compatibility layer)
Oct 12 17:19:00 <KotCzarny> you dont have any rescue ramdisk for such situations?
Oct 12 17:19:11 <DocScrutinizer05> that could easily turn out to be a very sophisitcated prank
Oct 12 17:19:27 <KotCzarny> i made me one, with fsck and friends, fits into ~10-20 megs and saves lots of time
Oct 12 17:20:02 <DocScrutinizer05> listen buddy, this is a workstation that best doesn't get booted a whole year long
Oct 12 17:20:20 <KotCzarny> you only have 1 machine?
Oct 12 17:20:42 <KotCzarny> no 'closet oldies' ?
Oct 12 17:20:45 <DocScrutinizer05> no, I also have a few boxen at Hetzner which I could fsckup
Oct 12 17:21:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm no sw devel
Oct 12 17:21:35 <KotCzarny> anyway, alternative would be booting livecd 64bit os and removing 32libs there
Oct 12 17:21:42 <KotCzarny> even in virtualbox or something
Oct 12 17:21:56 <DocScrutinizer05> go ahead :-D
Oct 12 17:22:10 <KotCzarny> im away from my hackstation
Oct 12 17:22:23 <KotCzarny> and this machine runs windows xp 
Oct 12 17:22:38 <KotCzarny> but i can do that tomorrow
Oct 12 17:22:51 <KotCzarny> just remind me if no one volunteers before
Oct 12 17:27:47 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm also not convinced by the "just move 32bit ld-linux.so.2 into some temporary dir" approach. 64bit could try to load the 64bit lib and detect a mismatch, rather than a simple 'not found'
Oct 12 17:28:53 <KotCzarny> afair, this linker lib is unique in the way its path is fixed
Oct 12 17:29:11 <KotCzarny> and manages run time linking/finding for other things
Oct 12 17:29:14 <DocScrutinizer05> and all that could depend on situation when last time running ldconfig
Oct 12 17:30:10 <DocScrutinizer05> (manages run time linking/finding for other things) yes, and removing it would easily render your whole system fsckdup since not a single process would start anymore
Oct 12 17:30:46 <KotCzarny> can you pastebin ldd /bin/bash ?
Oct 12 17:31:03 <KotCzarny> (dont have 64bit shell handy to check)
Oct 12 17:31:18 <DocScrutinizer05> sure thing
Oct 12 17:31:37 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/44695514
Oct 12 17:32:06 <KotCzarny> yeah, as i thought,         /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fda00b2b000)
Oct 12 17:32:13 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Oct 12 17:32:32 <KotCzarny> so, on 64bit os, even without /lib/ld-linux.so.2 only 32bit apps will fail
Oct 12 17:32:42 <KotCzarny> and everything else will work as before
Oct 12 17:32:43 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly yes
Oct 12 17:33:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I would be extra cautious to mess with it though
Oct 12 17:33:08 <KotCzarny> though you are right, dont know how ldd resolves things, (running app or some smart algo)
Oct 12 17:33:30 <KotCzarny> nah, nless you have something important 32bit running 
Oct 12 17:33:44 <KotCzarny> all tools are compiled against 64bit ld-linux
Oct 12 17:33:55 <DocScrutinizer05> likely
Oct 12 17:34:06 <KotCzarny> and remember, when you have installed system, it had only 64bit libs
Oct 12 17:34:09 <DocScrutinizer05> NB the lib pathes are not stable between distros
Oct 12 17:34:20 <KotCzarny> for 32bit it is stable
Oct 12 17:34:29 <KotCzarny> as its FIXED into binary, not the os
Oct 12 17:34:52 <KotCzarny> for 64bit it uses linux-vdso kernel interface i think
Oct 12 17:35:02 <DocScrutinizer05> while one distro may have /lib64/ and /lib/, other 64bit ditro may have /lib/ and /lib32/
Oct 12 17:35:11 <KotCzarny> nope
Oct 12 17:35:19 <KotCzarny> see the fixed path for 32bit
Oct 12 17:35:34 <KotCzarny> it could be a symlink, but the path must be exact
Oct 12 17:36:52 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry you lost me
Oct 12 17:36:54 <KotCzarny> at least for ld-linux, other 32bit libs can be at arbitrary path, but linker must be known before
Oct 12 17:37:21 <KotCzarny> it's the ld-linux lib that uses ld.so.conf
Oct 12 17:40:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't see how any of that is related to "ubuntu-64 has /lib/ for 64bit and /lib32/ for 32bit, while suse-64 has /lib64/ for 64bit and /lib/ for 32bit"
Oct 12 17:41:29 <DocScrutinizer05> NB I don't know if the distros are correct, it's a made up example
Oct 12 17:42:10 <KotCzarny> no
Oct 12 17:42:17 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Oct 12 17:42:21 <KotCzarny> every system has /lib/ for 32bit ld-linux
Oct 12 17:42:35 <KotCzarny> but its the only thing that is fixed
Oct 12 17:42:47 <DocScrutinizer05> possibly
Oct 12 17:42:51 <KotCzarny> other libs can be at any location, just defined in ld-linux config
Oct 12 17:43:00 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Oct 12 17:43:29 <KotCzarny> thats why moving ld-linux stops further lib linking
Oct 12 18:32:04 <Maxdamantus> nix doesn't.
Oct 12 18:32:23 <KotCzarny> doesnt what?
Oct 12 18:32:32 <Maxdamantus> Have /lib for 32-bit ld-linux.
Oct 12 18:32:45 <KotCzarny> really?
Oct 12 18:32:51 <Maxdamantus> Yes.
Oct 12 18:33:00 <KotCzarny> pics or it didnt happen
Oct 12 18:33:06 <Maxdamantus> It replaces the location of the loader using `patchelf`
Oct 12 18:33:24 <KotCzarny> some preload lib?
Oct 12 18:33:45 <Maxdamantus> No.
Oct 12 18:33:59 <KotCzarny> patches every binary?
Oct 12 18:34:03 <Maxdamantus> Yes.
Oct 12 18:34:24 <KotCzarny> then flasher-3.5 doesnt run by default anyway
Oct 12 18:34:36 <KotCzarny> and user must be knowledgeable too
Oct 12 18:34:41 <KotCzarny> so: no problem
Oct 12 18:35:28 <Maxdamantus> You shouldn't need to mess with your /lib directory to make it work.
Oct 12 18:35:50 <Maxdamantus> Just run it from a linker, or use `patchelf` to change the path for it.
Oct 12 18:36:18 <Maxdamantus> (run it from a linker as in: ./ld-linux.so.2 ./flasher)
Oct 12 18:39:25 <KotCzarny> still, anyone knowledgeable enough to install nix, will know how to solve dependencies
Oct 12 18:40:11 <KotCzarny> also, nice hint about running ./ld-linux.so.2 ./flasher
Oct 12 19:29:06 <KotCzarny> hmm, n9, seller says 'phone shows charging, but doesnt boot', anything fixable or not worth the risk?
Oct 12 19:46:51 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if we also need to worry about flasher-3.5 running on minix, and on solaris
Oct 12 19:47:34 <KotCzarny> you forgot about freebsd
Oct 12 19:51:58 <bencoh> :]
Oct 12 19:52:11 <bencoh> I'd rather port 0xffff to minix
Oct 12 19:52:34 <KotCzarny> does it support usb?
Oct 12 19:53:09 <bencoh> minix? there is some driver, not included in the base system
Oct 12 19:54:50 <KotCzarny> hmm. how about porting 0xffff to...
Oct 12 19:54:53 <KotCzarny> symbian?
Oct 12 19:56:27 <DocScrutinizer05> HP-41CV
Oct 12 19:56:39 <bencoh> looks like the usb driver has been included in bassys now
Oct 12 19:56:59 <bencoh> I dont see anything mentioning some ouf-of-tree compilation
Oct 12 19:58:23 <KotCzarny> or.. creating usb device that will have 1-2 buttons and which will flash n900 on connect and button press
Oct 12 19:58:33 <DocScrutinizer05> I really don't care about all those extreme bizarre fringe cases for ~flashing
Oct 12 19:58:38 <M4rtinK> some small arduino clone should do
Oct 12 19:59:15 <KotCzarny> could also have pass-through power port
Oct 12 20:01:07 <M4rtinK> http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/ <- that also has a pass through power port :)
Oct 12 20:01:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 12 20:02:17 <KotCzarny> burning the firmware
Oct 12 20:02:40 <M4rtinK> pretty much ;-)
Oct 12 20:02:44 <DocScrutinizer05> dealing with missing 32bit support on 64bit linux, ok. Anything more bizarre than that is cleary for the geeks
Oct 12 20:04:50 * DocScrutinizer05 designs a geekbrain killer
Oct 12 20:05:31 <DocScrutinizer05> mains plug with in-ear headphones
Oct 12 20:06:58 <bencoh> what ?
Oct 12 20:08:34 <DocScrutinizer05> way less dangerous than any of the items on http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/
Oct 12 20:08:52 <KotCzarny> your geekbrain killer wouldnt work
Oct 12 20:09:13 <KotCzarny> wire would fry before any power goes to the body
Oct 12 20:09:25 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, since nobody would be silly enough. Unlike feeding mains to e.g. ethernet
Oct 12 20:09:41 <M4rtinK> PoE :D
Oct 12 20:09:52 <KotCzarny> also, 'powered hub' he he
Oct 12 20:10:24 <M4rtinK> also https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3251.txt
Oct 12 20:10:45 <bencoh> <3
Oct 12 20:19:09 <kerio> oh man
Oct 12 20:19:17 <kerio> have you guys seen that usb killer thing
Oct 12 20:19:36 <kerio> as big as a usb pen drive, it's got some 220V capacitors inside
Oct 12 20:19:52 <kerio> it charges with usb power, and discharges on D+/-
Oct 12 20:20:31 <kerio> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TidRpVWXBE
Oct 12 20:27:56 <Wizzup> kerio: yep, seen it
Oct 12 20:28:22 <bencoh> that's mean
Oct 12 20:56:35 <fladnag900> kotczarny ihave tested an sndh_lf wich should be supported like you said and it does not ! :(
Oct 12 20:57:19 <fladnag900> ...on n900
Oct 12 20:57:27 <fladnag900> and
Oct 12 20:57:31 <fladnag900> ifound that
Oct 12 20:57:53 <fladnag900> sndh_lf & sf simply stands for long and short filename :P
Oct 12 21:04:00 <fladnag900> the short ones (sndh_sf) do not show at all
Oct 12 21:04:19 <fladnag900> the long it does not play
Oct 12 21:04:26 <fladnag900> :(
Oct 12 21:04:31 <fladnag900> shit
Oct 12 21:04:37 <fladnag900> :o(
Oct 12 21:04:41 <fladnag900> :)
Oct 12 21:04:56 <fladnag900> hope you get time soon
Oct 12 21:05:53 <fladnag900> and ihave audio playing ...mp3 or audio from videofiles
Oct 12 21:10:03 <fladnag900> oscp just goes to thenext file in folder that canbe played
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