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Oct 13 08:29:06 <zGrr> moin :)
Oct 13 09:51:49 <KotCzarny> meh.
Oct 13 15:08:28 <Sicelo_w> sorry for join/part spam
Oct 13 15:34:02 <kerio> never forgive, never forget
Oct 13 15:36:16 <Sicelo_w> makes sense
Oct 13 15:54:40 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: which spam? I got "hide join/part/nick" ;-)
Oct 13 15:55:52 <DocScrutinizer05> actually a very convenient "... unless activity during last 24h"
Oct 13 15:58:17 <sixwheeledbeast^> pidgin does that for me too.
Oct 13 16:20:24 <Sicelo> :) at least for those who saw it, haha. i was trying KVIrc on work computer. Unfortunately there isn't true support for hiding joins and parts.
Oct 13 17:48:30 <KotCzarny> sicelo: does it have scripting support?
Oct 13 17:55:06 <Sicelo> yes.
Oct 13 17:56:06 <Sicelo> not sure what language .. i'm not even interested in it so much ... but the work machine is windows, and in SCCM there is only Quassel and KVIrc. Quassel was crashing for me though
Oct 13 17:56:35 <KotCzarny> um, there is always putty and 'text mode shell irc client of your choice'
Oct 13 17:58:08 <Sicelo> i can only choose from the ones above hehe .. group policy/SCCM stuff. and you cannot really IRC using putty. too many ACKs to give
Oct 13 17:58:29 <KotCzarny> acks?
Oct 13 17:58:43 <Sicelo> pong replies
Oct 13 17:58:59 <KotCzarny> you means permits from overseers?
Oct 13 17:59:12 <Sicelo> yes
Oct 13 17:59:17 <Sicelo> hmm :/
Oct 13 17:59:25 <KotCzarny> can you use ssh at all?
Oct 13 17:59:59 <Sicelo> i am saying on the work computer there is a big restriction on the software you can install
Oct 13 18:00:19 <KotCzarny> i read you, but you know, ssh is quite standard software
Oct 13 18:00:34 <KotCzarny> and you run irc client on some shell outside work
Oct 13 18:00:41 <Sicelo> as for ssh, the server i use for ssh has unconventional port, haha, which is blocked on work network
Oct 13 18:01:25 <KotCzarny> use some open port (i bet youi can use imapd or pop3d port)
Oct 13 18:01:45 <Sicelo> not my server :)
Oct 13 18:01:56 <KotCzarny> do you have internet at home?
Oct 13 18:02:46 <Sicelo> yes/no. no in the sense that it's not a public IP
Oct 13 18:03:13 <KotCzarny> hmm, there are free/cheap shell providers
Oct 13 18:03:40 <Sicelo> in any case, i do everything on my N900 while at work. just wanted to have an irc client on work computer for extra convenience. kvirc works quite ok. 
Oct 13 18:04:08 <KotCzarny> for irc on my n900 i use ssh to my shell, then just screen -rd
Oct 13 18:04:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 13 18:04:15 <Sicelo> same here
Oct 13 18:04:31 * Maxdamantus does `tmux a`
Oct 13 18:04:43 <KotCzarny> screen has some nice features
Oct 13 18:04:50 <KotCzarny> as windows, key bindings etc
Oct 13 18:04:54 <Sicelo900> although i occasionally irc straight from the n900 too
Oct 13 18:06:58 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm irssi
Oct 13 18:07:22 <Sicelo900> yeah. with perl support
Oct 13 18:07:34 <DocScrutinizer05> I prefer xchat
Oct 13 18:07:50 <DocScrutinizer05> with heavy customizations
Oct 13 18:07:51 <Sicelo900> i know ... your page has it
Oct 13 18:08:14 <Sicelo900> i don't remember why i ended up removing it from my N900
Oct 13 18:08:30 <Sicelo900> there's something it couldn't do
Oct 13 18:08:43 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe because it's nearly unbearable and useless in defualt config?
Oct 13 18:08:48 <KotCzarny> ssl? i think its fixed in 2.8.8
Oct 13 18:08:57 <Sicelo900> no. i was using your config
Oct 13 18:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Oct 13 18:09:15 * Maxdamantus added JS support to irssi once, then realised the perl plugin basically just hacked around with internal datastructures, so didn't bother making it do anything useful.
Oct 13 18:09:18 <Sicelo900> possibly ssl then ... is n900 xchat updated?
Oct 13 18:09:19 <DocScrutinizer05> would be interesting what's the problem then. Scripting?
Oct 13 18:09:39 <KotCzarny> sicelo900, i think someone had ssl problem, probably oksana
Oct 13 18:09:49 * Maxdamantus also added JS support to XChat once.
Oct 13 18:09:56 <KotCzarny> 2.8.8 builds cleanly, but is missing maemo patches
Oct 13 18:10:02 <KotCzarny> so one has just port it
Oct 13 18:10:12 <Sicelo900> it was the ssl issue, yes. 
Oct 13 18:10:12 <DocScrutinizer05> SSL works for my maemo xchat, with e.g. irc.hackint.org
Oct 13 18:10:28 <KotCzarny> it didnt work with some servers
Oct 13 18:10:46 <Maxdamantus> Can you not use HexChat?
Oct 13 18:11:44 <Sicelo> irssi does what i need :) so ... 
Oct 13 18:12:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't like IRC in an xterm window
Oct 13 18:12:10 <Maxdamantus> I meant for the people still using XChat.
Oct 13 18:12:46 <DocScrutinizer05> YMMW
Oct 13 18:12:50 <DocScrutinizer05> V
Oct 13 18:13:48 <DocScrutinizer05> one thing's for sure: irssi has better scripting than xchat - which has none at all ;-)
Oct 13 18:14:16 <DocScrutinizer05> rst38h didn't like to add support
Oct 13 18:27:05 <Sicelo900> of course i have pidgin on my N900, but that sucks as an IRC client
Oct 13 18:33:21 <Vajb> Irssi works just fine for me
Oct 13 18:50:38 <sixwheeledbeast^> pidgin is fine on a desktop.
Oct 13 18:50:53 <Sicelo> for irc? didn't like it
Oct 13 18:54:02 <sixwheeledbeast^> yeah it works, I have chat in one place. WFM
Oct 13 19:03:17 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: iirc we noticed an issue with xchat/ssl for some servers
Oct 13 19:07:56 <Sicelo> silly operators: http://www.fin24.com/Tech/News/MTN-targets-free-loading-WhatsApp-20151013
Oct 13 19:08:15 <Sicelo> how does a CEO speak such crap!?
Oct 13 19:08:22 <KotCzarny> money talks
Oct 13 19:08:54 <Sicelo> this is rubbish. not talk
Oct 13 19:14:57 <DocScrutinizer05> grief about losing market shares. Extraordinarily silly crying from a guy who just sees business but has no damn clue about the technical background
Oct 13 19:16:04 <DocScrutinizer05> first offering (paid) internet access and then complaining that people use it, how silly is that?
Oct 13 19:17:09 <DocScrutinizer05> please tell this guy that originally SMS was meant to be free of charge, in GSM specs
Oct 13 19:17:25 <ecc2g> heh... at the end of the article "How much extra would you pay to use WhatsApp on your smartphone? Click here to let us know." ... so tempted to give a negative number because it's not OSS...
Oct 13 19:18:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I would pay to make WhatsApp go away, but that's another story
Oct 13 19:19:08 <Sicelo> this being CEO of a mulit-national company .. shock!
Oct 13 19:19:45 <DocScrutinizer05> actually we should make farcebook go away, WhatsApp would vanish with it
Oct 13 19:20:09 <Defiant> nooooo lets keep facebook
Oct 13 19:20:10 <bencoh> I dont think it would
Oct 13 19:20:17 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: pathetic. For real high class trolling, refer to Elop
Oct 13 19:20:19 <Defiant> else all the facebook people would come back
Oct 13 19:20:23 <bencoh> haha
Oct 13 19:20:24 <Sicelo> by the same token all companies must be investigated by the power grid, lol .. because the electricity allows the companies to make bigger profits than the power company itself
Oct 13 19:20:37 <ecc2g> heh
Oct 13 19:21:31 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: nice example :-)
Oct 13 19:45:09 * Sicelo900 wonders what Solu is up to
Oct 13 19:48:18 <sixwheeledbeast^> What happened to meeting friends in the pub...
Oct 13 19:55:03 <Sicelo> never been to one ever
Oct 13 20:10:11 <bencoh> they're not allowed to smoke there anymore, if that's what scared you off
Oct 13 20:57:39 <DocScrutinizer05> it's rather this "no smoking" that scares me off
Oct 13 20:58:22 <DocScrutinizer05> luckily the innkeeper of my fav pub feels alike
Oct 13 21:00:00 <DocScrutinizer05> the emphasis in the question however is on "meeting friends", not on "in the pub"
Oct 13 21:01:24 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW most pubs have a hard time between boredom and bankruptcy here - possibly actually thanks to the idiotic no-smoking regulations
Oct 13 21:03:21 <DocScrutinizer05> on a tiny note of common sense: all innkeepers were free to declare their pub non-smoking since beginning of times
Oct 13 21:04:49 <DocScrutinizer05> if it would have promised higher sales, they probably had done, and some pubs or restaurants actually did and lived fine from it, until this idiotic nanny-ism got a hold on our government
Oct 13 21:08:28 <DocScrutinizer05> what's next? All pubs and restaurants only may offer vegetarian food? And diet coke and beer without alcohol?
Oct 13 21:11:58 <sixwheeledbeast^> I don't smoke so ... I quite like not smelling of smoke TBH. 
Oct 13 21:12:47 <sixwheeledbeast^> I still understand it's not an ideal situation of sending people into the outside naughty shed.
Oct 13 21:20:40 <sixwheeledbeast^> I also agree about the emphasis being on meeting friends etc...
Oct 13 21:21:52 <sixwheeledbeast^> I feel without meeting and talking the next generation will grow up to be infobots...
Oct 13 21:21:57 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~botsnack
Oct 13 21:21:57 <infobot> thanks, sixwheeledbeast^
Oct 13 21:22:29 <sixwheeledbeast^> infobot, yw
Oct 13 21:22:29 <infobot> [yw] you're welcome
Oct 13 21:22:36 <sixwheeledbeast^> :)
Oct 13 21:23:07 <bencoh> :]
Oct 13 21:39:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't like the smell of hairspray and strong perfume. So I want pubs that don't allow women (not really, just to make a point about regulations)
Oct 13 21:41:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and btw some perfumes are more toxic than cigarette smoke
Oct 13 21:43:05 * Oksana would have liked xchat, but yes, there were issues with SSL support. Can try it again now... By the way, I think that the XChat version in Maemo repositories is not the latest one in existence /vegetarian food... Nice touch. And about smoke and perfumes: I don't like smell of either. Delegating toxic perfumes into smoke-alike category would be nice /
Oct 13 22:49:17 <KotCzarny> instead of banning women, why not bad hairspray and perfume?
Oct 13 22:49:23 <KotCzarny> (he he)
Oct 13 22:49:50 <ds3> the answer to all the problem is a mandatory reduction in population density.
Oct 13 22:50:26 <KotCzarny> can we start with china/africa/india etc?
Oct 13 22:51:10 <ds3> if you look at it, it is really a density issue
Oct 13 22:51:30 <KotCzarny> density comes from uneven distribution of goods/services
Oct 13 22:56:55 <Oksana> Yes, more uniform distribution of everything and everybody would solve a lot of problems...
Oct 13 22:57:54 <KotCzarny> communism!
Oct 13 22:57:57 <KotCzarny> ;)
Oct 14 01:28:26 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, spreading the 500 billion € of the 500 richest persons in germany would make quite some sense
Oct 14 01:28:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ~500000000000/81000000
Oct 14 01:28:47 <infobot> 6172.83950617284
Oct 14 01:28:59 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, that's almost nothing
Oct 14 01:30:10 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, maybe make that only 10% of their assets, but every year
Oct 14 01:31:53 <DocScrutinizer05> make it 20% and it would probbaly pay for everybody's health insurance
Oct 14 01:33:47 <DocScrutinizer05> and I guess somebody who managed to get a billion in a lifetime _must_ make a 20% from their assets every year, easily
Oct 14 01:36:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~1.2**60
Oct 14 01:36:03 <infobot> 56347.514353166662
Oct 14 01:36:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~10**9/1.2**60
Oct 14 01:36:45 <infobot> 17747.011762264206
Oct 14 01:38:19 <DocScrutinizer05> amazing! when you start with 20000EUR given to you at your birth and you manage to make a 20% on it every year, you would end as billionaire in the age of 60?
Oct 14 01:39:02 <DocScrutinizer05> either my math fu or my guts feeling is borked
Oct 14 02:22:23 <ecc2g> ~10**9/1.05**60
Oct 14 02:22:24 <infobot> 53535523.746494144201
Oct 14 02:23:24 <ecc2g> ~10**9/1.1**60
Oct 14 02:23:24 <infobot> 3284270.28147280775
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