**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 14 02:59:59 2015 Oct 14 06:30:36 doc: basic thing broken with 'spreading' or 'giving', people who receive things without any effort needed to acquire, often just lose it (buy usuless things), which is why that money goes back to 'the rich' Oct 14 06:32:12 *useless Oct 14 06:35:19 what is needed is making non-monetary values priority Oct 14 06:36:38 few days ago s. hawking said that egoism is the main thing that will end humanity (not robots/ai, not aliens or anything else) Oct 14 06:40:14 Hi ! On my n900, I set up an alarm and shut it down for the whole night, and this morning, when I woke up and turne off the alarm, and chose to turn my n900 up, it just shown the NOKIA boot screen, and then shut down. Oct 14 06:40:30 low battery? Oct 14 06:40:38 I had to plug the ac adapter to charge it and make it boot. Oct 14 06:40:41 put it on charger for 30 min at least Oct 14 06:40:56 Yep, thinking about that, but the battery level was almost half before shutting it down… Oct 14 06:41:17 so?, bad battery can lie about capacity remaining Oct 14 06:41:22 ie. failing faster Oct 14 06:41:25 ~polarcell Oct 14 06:41:25 [polarcell] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement Oct 14 06:41:40 Oh, so bad. Well, I have a spare original battery, will try with it. Oct 14 06:42:58 Thanks, it seems to be a nice replacement ^^ Oct 14 06:43:42 yes, it was reported multiple times that this brand is solid Oct 14 06:46:31 Is there a way to force the automatic time update? Because it doesn’t seem to take effect here Oct 14 06:46:46 ntpdate pool.ntp.org ? Oct 14 06:50:30 Ah, yeah, ntpdate. I’ll try it Oct 14 06:51:03 you might need to either compile it or just use debian's armel etch binary Oct 14 06:51:12 or squeeze, dont remember Oct 14 06:51:50 right, lenny Oct 14 06:52:02 extract just the binary from ntpdate_4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3_armel.deb Oct 14 06:54:12 but ntpdate is a daemon, right? Oct 14 06:54:17 nope Oct 14 06:54:21 you are thinking about ntpd Oct 14 06:54:29 Oh, ok /o\ Oct 14 06:55:16 but as i said, grab ntpdate and make a desktop shortcut for it Oct 14 06:55:34 easy and wont eat your precious memory for running daemon Oct 14 06:57:03 Ok. It’s strange that the update doesn’t take effect… Oct 14 06:57:24 works for some gsm networks, fails for some Oct 14 06:57:34 for me its not working neither Oct 14 09:23:08 the polarcell is a normal size battery? no need for 'fancy' cover? Oct 14 09:23:42 * Luke-Jr got the 'fancy' cover just so the N900 would fit tightly in the N810 case <.< Oct 14 09:42:35 yes, polarcell is standard bl-5j replacement, but bigger in capacity (1500+) Oct 14 09:44:22 they have other form factors too Oct 14 09:48:56 Mine is apparently around 1590 mAh (labelled as 1500 though) Oct 14 09:50:03 * Sicelo900 needs two Oct 14 10:35:46 * DocScrutinizer05 shakes head about youbi leaving IRC. As a matter of fact, one night with enabled 3G connectivity for example easily could cut through 100% of a decent good battery, depending on data traffic via 3G, *both* directions (so you couldn't even take control about the amount of traffic if it's unsolicited inbound). Suggesting "get a new battery" is shooting too short and not really helpful Oct 14 10:40:46 doc, have you read it at all? he said he set up and alarm and TURNED DEVICE OFF Oct 14 10:40:59 before you go on preachy beachy, read first Oct 14 10:41:17 with comprehension for best results Oct 14 10:42:49 s/and/an/ Oct 14 10:45:46 have you asked what he actually meant by "switch it off"? How would a - however crappy - battery go empty from even a fake 50% charge when device was actually shut down to power-off state? Oct 14 10:47:09 most people use term 'shut down' for, you know, shutdown Oct 14 10:47:45 Hi ! On my n900, I set up an alarm and shut it down for the whole night, and this Oct 14 10:48:12 this is obviously a noob user, have you considered that he might not even know the difference between lock screen and "turn device off" Oct 14 10:48:32 we can ask him later, for now its moot Oct 14 10:48:42 two of you are generating spam. i'm on a metered connection Oct 14 10:48:44 that's what I said, yes Oct 14 10:49:21 Sicelo900: what? Oct 14 10:55:22 hmmm Oct 14 11:06:15 ... Oct 14 12:58:43 Is there a way to install python3.4 on the n900? Oct 14 12:58:54 answer is: maybe Oct 14 12:59:25 also, out of curiosity, when you've said 'shut down' the device for the night, you meant poweroff or just screen lock? Oct 14 12:59:49 I meant poweroff Oct 14 12:59:54 cool. Oct 14 12:59:57 it's available in repos Oct 14 12:59:59 also, python3.4 is in extras-devel Oct 14 13:00:31 I added extras-devel to repositories in fast application manager, but I get errors… Oct 14 13:00:42 ~fap Oct 14 13:00:42 it has been said that fap is good Oct 14 13:00:45 hmm Oct 14 13:00:49 ~fapman Oct 14 13:00:49 from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam Oct 14 13:01:01 install cssu and just use ham Oct 14 13:01:09 its much faster and more compatible Oct 14 13:01:18 it's in -testing, not in -stable. Oct 14 13:01:34 ham, the original application manager? Oct 14 13:01:42 yes, but from cssu Oct 14 13:01:56 its improved greatly Oct 14 13:02:17 also, what error you get? Oct 14 13:03:38 is it just me or TMO is quite slow? Oct 14 13:03:50 Well, actually, I can’t find python3.4 using ham. It’s in community-testing, right? Oct 14 13:04:07 (accessing subforum index) Oct 14 13:05:40 Also, I tried to install CSSU thumb (It’s not a problem for me to flash my device if I get problems), but I can’t update my system, the error is Oct 14 13:06:19 “missing package: libspeex1 (>= 1.2~beta3-1) Oct 14 13:06:40 quick tip, some package relies on it and blocks the update Oct 14 13:07:03 quick tip2: for cssu, install it on clean device Oct 14 13:07:31 Yep, I got it, but the package can’t be found. Oct 14 13:07:34 youbi: you wont see some packages in ham/fam, you can use apt-get install python3.4 etc Oct 14 13:08:44 What do you mean by “clean device” ? Oct 14 13:08:54 ie. freshly flashed Oct 14 13:09:28 I flashed my device, then installed CSSU stable, then CSSU-testing, and now CSSU-thumb Oct 14 13:09:35 if you dont know debian tools well here's a cheatsheet: http://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS Oct 14 13:09:42 the libspeex issue is being tackled. in the meantime, you can install libspeex from the other repos Oct 14 13:09:52 I know a bit about apt-get, but thanks! Oct 14 13:10:19 ~repos Oct 14 13:10:19 rumour has it, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Oct 14 13:10:28 ~maemo-repos Oct 14 13:10:29 well, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Oct 14 13:10:44 But even when I do `apt-cache search libspeex`, I get nothing. Oct 14 13:10:52 Will check those urls, thanks ^^ Oct 14 13:11:20 find which package depends on it Oct 14 13:11:27 ie. find reverse deps on libspeex Oct 14 13:13:22 For mirror lists, I just have to replace the one on my system with the fremantle repos listed on the wiki? Oct 14 13:13:50 libspeex1 <-- don't leave out the 1 Oct 14 13:14:42 youbi: you dont really need those nokia repos Oct 14 13:15:30 You mean the standard one (which do not exist anymore, as I understand) Oct 14 13:16:30 Ah, forget about my last sentence. Oct 14 13:16:47 you need those repos for libspeex :) Oct 14 13:16:52 or add the sdk repo Oct 14 13:19:40 adding the sdk repo isnt really "the proper way" to do it, but ... :) Oct 14 13:19:52 :) Oct 14 13:20:09 i'm just saying where to find the package :) Oct 14 13:20:14 Youbi_: yeah, they're meant as a drop-in replacement Oct 14 13:25:50 in other words, they are mirrors Oct 14 13:26:12 Ok I got it. Oct 14 13:26:37 Mirrors of the original Nokia SSU, now replaced by the Community SSU, but there is no libspeex in the Community SSU? Oct 14 13:27:18 nope Oct 14 13:27:19 wring Oct 14 13:27:23 *wrong Oct 14 13:27:29 nokia ssu != community ssu Oct 14 13:27:36 nokia ssu mirrors == nokia ssu Oct 14 13:28:03 cssu is something completely different than nssu Oct 14 13:28:04 But community ssu provides updates that nokia ssu does not provide? Oct 14 13:28:23 yes Oct 14 13:28:52 they might have few common packages, but mostly different Oct 14 13:29:52 Ok. Oct 14 13:29:54 I get it. Oct 14 13:34:36 moin :) Oct 14 13:36:38 Yeah, just installed libspeex1 Oct 14 13:36:54 (and yes, apt-get is much more easy for me than the graphical UI) Oct 14 13:47:53 I think I broke my system. Oct 14 13:48:02 I did `apt-get upgrade` and reboot. Oct 14 13:48:11 And now my n900 doesn’t boot anymore :3 Oct 14 13:48:20 um Oct 14 13:48:29 wild guess, you have extras-devel enabled? Oct 14 13:48:43 Yep :/ Oct 14 13:48:59 So I’m going to flash it again Oct 14 13:49:35 never upgrade with extras-devel or extras-testing enabled Oct 14 13:49:50 Ok, now I know ^^' Oct 14 13:50:11 also, while you are at flashing, install cssu-thumb Oct 14 13:50:15 and only that Oct 14 13:50:46 Ok, after flash, only cssu-thumb. Oct 14 13:52:25 Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting. USB device found found at bus 001, device address 007. Oct 14 13:52:31 “found found” Oct 14 13:56:25 I always wonder, why did Nokia put a bootup video… Oct 14 13:56:51 because they can Oct 14 13:57:01 see the slimming_os link if you want to disable it Oct 14 13:58:14 Ok, thanks Oct 14 14:04:16 Ok, now, I only have extras, cssu-testing, cssu-testing-thumb in my repo list. Oct 14 14:08:46 lol. Oct 14 14:09:36 funny enough i've never bricked my n900 in all these years with always enabled sdk, devel repos. Oct 14 14:11:40 for a full year i had this "setup" while USB ws broken. no ill effect Oct 14 14:12:02 i'm not saying people should do it. i guess it's just beginners luck ;) Oct 14 14:12:08 wtf. Hildon-Application-Manager tells me to backup my phone with Nokia PC Suite before thumb update Oct 14 14:12:59 Youbi_: "just in case" :) Oct 14 14:13:05 cssu says that as well iirc Oct 14 14:13:21 ignore Oct 14 14:13:23 :) Oct 14 14:13:38 oh and, do not use upgrade/dist-upgrade with apt on maemo Oct 14 14:14:38 I can’t ignore it… It stops the upgrade. Oct 14 14:16:49 there was a workaround on wiki/tmo. try a reboot first Oct 14 14:17:10 failing which check wiki .. forgot what you need to do Oct 14 14:17:18 Maybe should I install CSSU and then CSSU-thumb? Oct 14 14:17:51 nope Oct 14 14:17:57 straight to cssu-thumb Oct 14 14:18:24 tho, i remember it had some dep troubles Oct 14 14:18:37 solvable by uninstalling 1 or 2 packages Oct 14 14:20:09 but, your device is freshly flashed, so no worries, you can try Oct 14 14:26:18 Ok, getting back home o/ Oct 14 15:29:17 has ham been replaced by an open source alternative in cssu? Oct 14 15:34:02 no Oct 14 15:34:41 in -testing Oct 14 15:35:13 ehm! I was just reading the backlog, I thought it has. Oct 14 15:36:15 yes, but from cssu Oct 14 15:36:15 its improved greatly Oct 14 15:36:31 errr wait, we have HAM sources Oct 14 15:36:34 yes Oct 14 15:36:58 (?) Oct 14 15:38:33 yeah, we do Oct 14 15:42:29 oh right! it was open source already. Oct 14 16:04:55 princefakhan: it's FOSS already but speed improvements have been made in latest version Oct 14 16:05:05 ~speedyHAM Oct 14 16:05:05 extra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Oct 14 16:24:40 swb, for newbies it doesnt say much, better to just tell that ham in cssu (any flavour) is just better than stock-ham or fapman Oct 14 16:25:54 meh, newbies should be on cssu-stable as far as I am concerned. Oct 14 16:28:33 I wonder why it's not in -stable Oct 14 16:28:53 especially considering stock HAM is barely usable with extras Oct 14 16:31:13 its not in -stable? Oct 14 16:31:16 o.O Oct 14 16:36:37 16:01 < bencoh> it's in -testing, not in -stable. 18:34 < bencoh> in -testing Oct 14 16:37:14 ehw, what is HAM? :P Oct 14 16:37:15 will likely be in the next stabe Oct 14 16:37:19 *stable Oct 14 16:37:22 ahh Oct 14 16:37:23 ty Oct 14 16:44:14 because there hasn't been a stable release since it was put in devel Oct 14 19:09:01 I don’t know what I did, but now my n900 is not booting. After the NOKIA white boot screen, I get the 5 dots, endlessly. Oct 14 19:10:18 I removed the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10hildon_welcome file to avoid nokia hands. May it be the source of my problem? Oct 14 19:10:24 nope Oct 14 19:10:29 unless you did more than that Oct 14 19:10:57 I don’t remember doing anything else. Oct 14 19:11:05 Anything else related to boot* Oct 14 19:11:33 i got 5 dots syndrome by simply having error in ~/.profile Oct 14 19:11:43 Oh. I modified my ~/.profile Oct 14 19:11:45 so it might be anything, missing libs, wrong version etc Oct 14 19:11:49 lol Oct 14 19:12:31 That’s completely dumb -_- Oct 14 19:12:40 a bit Oct 14 19:13:09 still, i prefer that kind of dumbness to failed booting and no way to flash without serial cable Oct 14 19:13:22 :D Oct 14 19:14:14 Flashing is the only solution? I can’t access /home/user when n900 is down? Oct 14 19:15:00 you can Oct 14 19:15:02 ~rescueos Oct 14 19:15:03 rescueos is, like, http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Oct 14 19:15:24 but read the documentation first Oct 14 19:15:39 in short, you can boot (not flash) using flasher Oct 14 19:17:27 I’m reading the documentation. It’s quite a good stuff Oct 14 19:36:52 I’m using NetBSD on my laptop, so I’ll try to build the fiasco flasher and use rescueOS to edit ~/.profile Oct 14 19:37:14 erm, check 0xFFFF Oct 14 19:37:19 ~0xFFFF Oct 14 19:37:19 [0xffff] https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 Oct 14 19:37:33 its opensource flasher replacement Oct 14 19:37:40 dont know if it will work on netbsd Oct 14 19:37:58 Yep, I’m trying to build it. Oct 14 19:39:13 The only dep is http://libusb.info/ which seems cross platform. So I have good hopes. Oct 14 19:41:52 \\o// Oct 14 19:41:55 I’m so happy Oct 14 19:42:02 In the config.mk of 0xFFFF Oct 14 19:42:05 # NetBSD stuff Oct 14 19:42:07 #CPPFLAGS += -I/usr/pkg/include Oct 14 19:42:09 #LDFLAGS += -L/usr/pkg/lib -Wl,-R/usr/pkg/lib Oct 14 19:49:36 yes 0xFFFF is clean C99 code with just libusb0 dependency Oct 14 19:54:28 hi, how to classify apps when we hit twice the windows logo on the top left of the screen pls (like when we use the app manager)? after flashing my n900 « all » the apps are in one "page" Oct 14 19:55:00 um, you probably had some classifier app installed Oct 14 19:55:10 by default there are no categories Oct 14 19:58:29 Well. It seems that it doesn’t work very well. Oct 14 19:58:40 ok, thx, maybe it was catorise Oct 14 19:59:56 I sucessfully built 0xFFFF on my NetBSD laptop. When I run it, as root, it waits for my device to be plugged in. So I remove battery and plug it, then put the battery back in my n900. Then my n900 is detected, but the result is quite strange, and then, my computer reboot… Oct 14 20:00:27 lol Oct 14 20:00:58 ask pali, i think he maintains it (or is even the author) Oct 14 20:01:39 computer reboots? heh Oct 14 20:02:04 do not know how netbsd works... but there is not reboot... Oct 14 20:05:29 could be some usb woe? Oct 14 20:05:29 When I run 0xFFFF -I Oct 14 20:05:32 https://dpaste.de/4Xkn/raw Oct 14 20:05:38 (as root) Oct 14 20:06:06 Youbi: Two reasons: 1) your system has slow usb enumeration or 2) N900 is in very bad state Oct 14 20:06:23 :/ Oct 14 20:06:23 try to press U key on n900 Oct 14 20:06:35 When booting it unplugged? Oct 14 20:07:16 press key, plug cable and hold it when 0xFFFF identify Oct 14 20:10:46 Same result, But the led on the n900 stays yellow Oct 14 20:39:56 Ok, without the -l (load to ram) option, 0xFFFF (with -m option for image and kernel, and -b 'rootdelay root=/dev/ram0') just print the same message as 0xFFFF -I. And then, I get my prompt back Oct 14 20:40:11 And the n900 boot, but I get the 5 dots. Oct 14 20:44:00 have you fixed your .profile? Oct 14 21:01:11 is there a way to have a mumble client ≥ 1.2.4? Oct 14 21:11:29 Whats the easyestway to install android on n900 ..and i look to directly trying dsp hardware acceleration fromstart ..and if possible 4 andnot 2.3 or what it was Oct 14 21:12:27 Please someone knows of an possibly easy way ? Oct 14 21:12:52 ..and also possibly just from an sdcard Oct 14 21:13:41 ..there is no android installer app showing in my programm manager Oct 14 21:13:57 Ihave trouble with my repos too Oct 14 21:14:04 :( Oct 14 21:14:05 :) Oct 14 21:17:20 Isthere a special channel for nitdroid and related ? Oct 14 21:29:31 Help Oct 14 21:29:37 Please someone Oct 14 21:35:19 for repos: Oct 14 21:35:21 ~maemo-repos Oct 14 21:35:21 hmm... maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Oct 14 21:41:45 These are all working for evryone with n900 ?? ...I found something about different versions of repos for different update-versions ..1.1 1.2 1.3 ..i have cssu and 21.2011.38-1 .. Oct 14 21:42:11 Hichone do ihave ? 1.3 ?? Oct 14 21:42:57 um, on that page you have exact repos you want Oct 14 21:43:17 Ithink ihave all repos on by now ..still idonot have android installer inmy progmanager Oct 14 21:43:37 also, i dont think there is nit installer Oct 14 21:43:43 i mean nitdroid Oct 14 21:43:51 Youknow why isthat ? Oct 14 21:44:05 because its very unstable and not finished? Oct 14 21:44:22 There was a installer inthe appmanager ! Oct 14 21:44:35 Atleast ther WAS Oct 14 21:44:43 maybe you've added some repo for it Oct 14 21:45:05 ~nitdroid Oct 14 21:45:06 rumour has it, nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco. Oct 14 21:53:50 Doyou have any idea inthe oscp atar case ? Oct 14 21:53:53 :) Oct 14 21:54:01 havent looked yet Oct 14 21:54:17 will look tomorrow, thx for reminder Oct 14 21:54:40 Yourwelcome Oct 14 21:57:26 didn't nitdroid need the now obsolete multiboot? Oct 14 21:59:10 How is multiboot obsolete ? Oct 14 22:00:16 Is uboot better ? Oct 14 22:01:05 Sixwheeledbeast please tellme Oct 14 22:02:06 Cotzcarny doyouknow what he is takinabout :) Oct 14 22:02:15 ~multiboot Oct 14 22:02:15 multiboot is probably http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot Oct 14 22:02:22 ~maemo-multiboot Oct 14 22:02:22 i heard maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Oct 14 22:03:10 :)thankyou but Oct 14 22:03:17 Whati meant is Oct 14 22:03:33 Why did he say itis obsolete ?? Oct 14 22:03:52 Isthere away it can be done but better :) ? Oct 14 22:04:07 ~uboot Oct 14 22:04:08 N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 Oct 14 22:04:12 ..without somuch risc Oct 14 22:04:33 but i dont know if nitdroid got around to support uboot Oct 14 22:21:24 fladnag900: see above, it damages the device Oct 14 22:22:42 :) nowayman i have tohave androidmaemo multiboot :D Oct 14 22:24:58 there will be a wiki page somewhere. I strongly advise you don't waste your time. Oct 14 22:26:43 8havetohavitman!!! There is dsp working ..better performance with videofiles ..720p ..free multiplayers for mkv andstuff ..there are more chiptuneplayers ...for atarist snd ym .... The emulators are waybetter ...gameboy snes amiga ..better performance and options ..thereis even dolphin :) ..and allthis androidonly things ..rage from id andstuff :) Oct 14 22:27:54 Stuffnstuffnstuffnstuff Oct 14 22:27:58 :D Oct 14 22:28:04 xD Oct 14 22:28:47 :D i neeeddroiiid Oct 14 22:29:59 But with n90000 !!!! :) Notsomefucking android "smartphone" :P Oct 14 22:30:10 cant stand droid... Oct 14 22:30:53 But its the mostused mobile os outthere ..so there is that Oct 14 22:31:37 what's right isn't always popular. What's popular isn't always right... Oct 14 22:31:42 ...best emulators ...most playersoftware ..most software ...but ineed my n900 youknow ;) Oct 14 22:32:41 Yeahyea youre right Right ?! ;p Oct 14 22:32:46 My n900 is sick. I carry it with my zenfone2 android phone. The n900 has the SIM card ... Oct 14 22:32:46 :D Oct 14 22:33:20 N900 IS sick :D Oct 14 22:33:25 Android is "wrong" is all I can say :\ Oct 14 22:33:27 Infuckindeeddude Oct 14 22:33:54 Man idontlike it neither Oct 14 22:34:02 But iwant it anyway Oct 14 22:34:09 As an Oct 14 22:34:19 Addon to maemo ? Oct 14 22:34:20 ! Oct 14 22:34:56 Tohave bothworlds atthe nearly sametime :P Oct 14 22:35:08 Just reboot ... :) Oct 14 23:34:03 arteta: you should ask http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=21774 (mumble maemo package maintainer) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 15 02:59:59 2015