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Oct 18 04:01:22 <Maxdamantus> arteta: does it work as root?
Oct 18 05:59:25 <CiroIp_> any oldtimer here?
Oct 18 07:24:55 <sixwheeledbeast^> define old?
Oct 18 07:25:31 <Luke-Jr> if someone is here, they've probably been here for a while?
Oct 18 07:25:56 <bencoh> some joined quite recently
Oct 18 07:45:07 <KotCzarny> hi ciroip
Oct 18 10:31:23 <arteta> Maxdamantus: no
Oct 18 10:41:12 <Maxdamantus> arteta: what sort of error do you get from eg, mplayer?
Oct 18 10:46:07 <arteta> Maxdamantus: with mpv : [ao/pulse] init failed: Not supported
Oct 18 10:48:24 <Maxdamantus> Are you sure your mpv installation itself supports pulse output?
Oct 18 10:48:30 * Maxdamantus has never tried mpv.
Oct 18 10:56:47 <arteta> Maxdamantus: it should :/ but if I try with paplay, it works o_O
Oct 18 11:09:06 <KotCzarny> aplay probably uses direct alsa
Oct 18 11:10:37 <KotCzarny> but madxamantus might be right
Oct 18 11:12:30 <Maxdamantus> aplay probably uses the default alsa device, which might route to pulseaudio.
Oct 18 11:12:51 <Maxdamantus> but I think paplay is some other program that starts with pulse.
Oct 18 11:13:02 <KotCzarny> yup
Oct 18 11:16:18 <Maxdamantus> (it'll end up back in alsa sometime anyway)
Oct 18 11:28:59 <arteta> hmmm, but I still can't make mumble using pavucontrol, and with alsa in mumble the sound works but it's stutter
Oct 18 11:29:13 <arteta> s/pavucontrol/pulseaudio/
Oct 18 11:29:13 <infobot> arteta meant: hmmm, but I still can't make mumble using pulseaudio, and with alsa in mumble the sound works but it's stutter
Oct 18 11:29:34 <arteta> (huhu, nice ^^)
Oct 18 11:29:57 <KotCzarny> also, remember that you risk damaging speakers if you use alsa directly
Oct 18 11:30:05 <arteta> oh
Oct 18 11:31:04 <Maxdamantus> Are you running "mumble" as root?
Oct 18 11:31:13 <arteta> yes
Oct 18 11:33:04 <arteta> (and the jessie's chroot is in armhf, don't know if that's relevant)
Oct 18 11:34:31 <Maxdamantus> O_o
Oct 18 11:34:46 <Maxdamantus> What version of glibc is this "jessie" chroot using?
Oct 18 11:35:44 <KotCzarny> arteta relevant in the way of old n900 kernel
Oct 18 11:36:37 <Maxdamantus> Maybe it's an old version of jessie.
Oct 18 11:37:52 <Maxdamantus> or are you running this stuff on a different kernel? (not alongside a Maemo environment)
Oct 18 11:38:45 * Maxdamantus needs to sleep.
Oct 18 11:40:28 <bencoh> he said "chroot"
Oct 18 11:40:40 <arteta> Maxdamantus: 2.19-12
Oct 18 11:40:43 <Maxdamantus> Yes, but that's very vague.
Oct 18 11:41:00 <bencoh> arteta: where does the chroot come from?
Oct 18 11:41:31 <arteta> KotCzarny: I'm using the 2.6.28.10-power53
Oct 18 11:41:35 <arteta> bencoh: sulu
Oct 18 11:41:52 <arteta> for the jessie's image
Oct 18 11:42:20 <Maxdamantus> Hm. Did Debian add patches to glibc to support old kernels?
Oct 18 11:43:33 <bencoh> I guess sulu did
Oct 18 11:43:53 <Maxdamantus> Ah, maybe.
Oct 18 11:44:02 <bencoh> It's just a dist-upgraded version of my first image, with glibc 2.19-15 and my own bugs fixed (resolv.conf, libc6/libc-bin on hold). If you fixed the bugs yourself there's no reason to switch.
Oct 18 11:44:13 <bencoh> -- sulu, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1464877
Oct 18 11:45:17 <KotCzarny> even in chroot it still uses glibc
Oct 18 11:45:26 <KotCzarny> drat, lagged
Oct 18 11:46:17 <Maxdamantus> That seems likely, though it doesn't seem to say explicitly.
Oct 18 11:46:41 <Maxdamantus> but it would explain putting libc on hold.
Oct 18 11:46:45 * Maxdamantus sleeps.
Oct 18 11:46:46 <bencoh> what is "likely"/not explicit?
Oct 18 11:46:51 <arteta> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1446540&postcount=3138 / http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?s=027841bc5c72da3dd94b1e59176a4134&p=1485745&postcount=3219
Oct 18 11:47:06 <Maxdamantus> He doesn't say that he's modified glibc himself.
Oct 18 11:47:32 <Maxdamantus> a standard glibc 2.19 simply won't work with Linux 2.6.28
Oct 18 11:47:52 <Maxdamantus> You can't even compile it that way.
Oct 18 11:49:55 <Maxdamantus> oh wait, 2.19 does support it.
Oct 18 11:50:05 <Maxdamantus> it's 2.20 that removes support, nvm.
Oct 18 11:51:46 <Maxdamantus> Though from the Debian changelog, it looks like they've been requiring 2.6.32 (configure option) since 2.17-0experimental0, dunno.
Oct 18 11:51:49 * Maxdamantus sleeps.
Oct 18 11:55:33 <totalizator> hyh, I used to have a Mumble bot and forgot about "mumble" word highlight :3
Oct 18 13:41:43 <pozitron> Hi all, i would like to compile a recent kernel for the N900 with some patchsets and am curious what is the recommended method of this
Oct 18 13:41:53 <pozitron> I found this script on github https://github.com/dderby/debian900/blob/master/build_kernel.sh
Oct 18 13:42:01 <KotCzarny> um
Oct 18 13:42:07 <KotCzarny> elinks.org/n900
Oct 18 13:42:11 <KotCzarny> or what was the link
Oct 18 13:42:24 <KotCzarny> http://elinux.org/N900
Oct 18 13:42:25 <KotCzarny> this
Oct 18 13:43:32 <KotCzarny> unless you want to do what this guys did
Oct 18 13:43:36 <KotCzarny> https://github.com/dderby/debian900/blob/master/README
Oct 18 13:43:40 <KotCzarny> (from your link)
Oct 18 13:54:36 <jon_y> 4.2 on the n900?
Oct 18 13:54:58 <KotCzarny> sure, unless you need gsm voice
Oct 18 13:55:39 <pozitron> KotCzarny: What is the latest kernel version that supports GSM voice?
Oct 18 13:55:49 <KotCzarny> 3.1x i think
Oct 18 13:56:04 <pozitron> Is this due to the nokie-modem driver not being updated?
Oct 18 13:56:07 <KotCzarny> but i might be making things up
Oct 18 13:56:31 <KotCzarny> i think none other than 2.6.28 works with gsm voice
Oct 18 13:56:54 <KotCzarny> (and not even mainline, only nokia's one)
Oct 18 13:57:23 <KotCzarny> otherwise we would have newer glibs already
Oct 18 14:02:11 <bencoh> I think they had cmtspeech working on recent versions
Oct 18 14:03:11 <Sicelo> not enough though .. still no "proper" phone calls via another kernel
Oct 18 14:04:58 <pozitron> bencoh: What is cmtspeech?
Oct 18 14:05:23 <bencoh> one of the key component for audio calls
Oct 18 14:06:21 <bencoh> http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/CMT_SPEECH.html
Oct 18 14:06:32 <bencoh> "found in Linux kernels: 4.1–4.2, 4.3-rc+HEAD"
Oct 18 14:06:58 <bencoh> some other things might be broken in 4.x though
Oct 18 14:11:33 <bencoh> I should really get a devel device
Oct 18 14:12:30 <Sicelo> do it on your stock :)
Oct 18 14:13:26 <Sicelo> N900 is nice in that you have uSD .. very scary trying alternative OS on a device like N9 for example
Oct 18 14:13:50 <bencoh> yeah I could do that
Oct 18 14:14:03 <bencoh> although getting maemo on a uSD sounds like a pain
Oct 18 14:14:16 <Sicelo> ah, you want to run Maemo? 
Oct 18 14:14:25 <bencoh> and I'd like to have a phone in a working state as well
Oct 18 14:14:43 <bencoh> for kernel tests, yes
Oct 18 14:15:45 <Sicelo> ok. for me the interest is other OSes
Oct 18 14:16:10 <bencoh> that would be interesting as well :)
Oct 18 14:24:55 <pozitron> Dual-boot seems interesting: https://wiki.debian.org/MaemoAndSqueeze
Oct 18 14:25:35 <pozitron> Maemo on eMMC
Oct 18 14:53:50 <ozero> is it possible to run debian-only on n900? Wifi/3G only, w/o voice
Oct 18 14:55:07 <Sicelo> yes
Oct 18 14:55:20 <Sicelo> since almost day one
Oct 18 15:58:40 <arteta> 3G/wifi work correctly? with debian jessie?
Oct 18 16:59:32 <Sicelo> arteta: should. i had used wheezy, and that was fine
Oct 18 17:00:43 <KotCzarny> hmm, amazingly, library that was working good some time ago, doesnt work anymore
Oct 18 17:00:45 <KotCzarny> o.o
Oct 18 17:00:59 <KotCzarny> (same library, just different compiling machine)
Oct 18 17:01:17 <arteta> Sicelo: thx I'll try, maybe mumble will works better with it
Oct 18 20:11:35 <bencoh> I really hate gitorious for the way they're handling the "archive.org migration"
Oct 18 20:11:42 <bencoh> repos have been offline for ages
Oct 18 20:12:05 <bencoh> does anyone have a copy of gst-plugin-bc?
Oct 18 20:16:22 <bencoh> nevermind, looks like there is a copy there http://dev.omapzoom.org/?p=gstreamer/gst-plugin-bc.git
Oct 18 20:29:16 <Pali> whatt is bc?
Oct 18 20:38:24 <bencoh> Pali: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OpenGLES_Texture_Streaming_-_bc-cat_User_Guide
Oct 18 20:38:30 <bencoh> a texture streaming driver
Oct 18 20:39:27 <bencoh> (MAFW uses XV to display video instead)
Oct 18 20:39:49 <Pali> it is compatible with n900?
Oct 18 20:41:05 <bencoh> dunno
Oct 18 20:41:53 <bencoh> I'm trying to draw buttons over a gstreamer xoverlay area (in gtk) and eventually found http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/painting_video_with_gstreamer_and_qt-qml_or_gtk-with_overlay/
Oct 18 20:42:21 <bencoh> and eventualy started looking for texture streaming
Oct 18 20:43:13 <bencoh> I dont understand how the colorkey "hack" is supposed to work ... looks like mafw-gst-renderer does something similar but ...
Oct 18 21:38:24 <arteta> hmm, I've followed https://github.com/dderby/debian900/blob/master/README, install u-boot-tools and make a ./configure_u-boot.sh on the n900 then reboot the n900 but I haven't any boot option and didn't boot on the sd card, did I miss something?
Oct 18 21:54:12 <freemangordon> bencoh: bc_cat needs a kernel module. and yes, it is compatible with n900, it is capable of streaming from main camera to a spinning cube (all sides show the video) with 40 fps
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