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Oct 25 03:54:13 <klopsi>  hello maemo
Oct 25 07:01:44 <KotCzarny> sicelo, what were you testing yesterday?
Oct 25 08:30:23 <Maxdamantus> http://maxdamantus.eu.org/ep1.jpg
Oct 25 08:30:28 <Maxdamantus> Modular earphones, about 40% done.
Oct 25 08:31:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 25 08:32:00 <KotCzarny> frankenphones
Oct 25 08:32:19 <Maxdamantus> That too.
Oct 25 08:33:10 <Maxdamantus> Well, they're already frankenphones.
Oct 25 08:33:38 <KotCzarny> if you think about it frankenstein is also modular, he he
Oct 25 08:33:51 <Maxdamantus> Since the cable has broken lots of times.
Oct 25 08:34:17 <Maxdamantus> The most recent break is just too close to the earpiece to fix properly, so thought I'd do this instead.
Oct 25 08:34:53 <Maxdamantus> (they're over-the-ear ones)
Oct 25 08:45:54 <klopsi>  a bonny day to ye
Oct 25 09:01:53 <vakkov> i am moving to another n900 since my main one is a little bit dead now :D maemo-extras and extra-devel give invalid magic for Packages.gz when apt-get updating :(
Oct 25 09:02:06 <vakkov> me needZ those repos :(
Oct 25 09:02:12 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Oct 25 09:02:13 <infobot> maemo-repos is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Oct 25 09:02:17 <KotCzarny> check your config
Oct 25 09:02:33 <KotCzarny> and maybe clean apt cache
Oct 25 09:15:02 <vakkov> KotCzarny: that's the link i used to configure them and i cleaned the cache before updating
Oct 25 09:15:22 <KotCzarny> vakkov, what is the exact error message when you do apt-get update ?
Oct 25 09:15:33 <KotCzarny> (pastebin the output)
Oct 25 09:15:34 <vakkov> KotCzarny: btw the mirror of the nokia ones gives some signature errors
Oct 25 09:15:44 <KotCzarny> signature errors are harmless
Oct 25 09:16:08 <KotCzarny> (at least on those mirrors, because obviously mirrors dont have correct nokia keys)
Oct 25 09:19:59 <bencoh> mirros *DO* have correct nokia keys.
Oct 25 09:20:06 <bencoh> that's not related
Oct 25 09:20:14 <bencoh> nokia gpg keys expired years ago
Oct 25 09:20:18 <KotCzarny> ahm
Oct 25 09:21:09 <bencoh> and those errors existed with the original nokia repositories
Oct 25 09:48:33 <vakkov> now it is only this - Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz  Hash Sum mismatch
Oct 25 09:48:41 <vakkov> KotCzarny ^
Oct 25 09:49:13 <KotCzarny> bad download?
Oct 25 09:49:23 <vakkov> i cleaned twice
Oct 25 09:49:25 <vakkov> :X
Oct 25 09:49:33 <vakkov> W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5D0E7C4F2E6D6F9A lol
Oct 25 09:52:44 <KotCzarny> sums are there http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/Release
Oct 25 09:53:01 <KotCzarny> you can try going to apt cache dir and check o.o
Oct 25 09:53:33 <KotCzarny> and, it happens only on this one repo?
Oct 25 09:58:16 <vakkov> seems so
Oct 25 09:58:45 <KotCzarny> change -devel into testing, update, then change back and update
Oct 25 09:58:56 <KotCzarny> s/testing/-testing/
Oct 25 09:58:56 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: change -devel into -testing, update, then change back and update
Oct 25 10:02:30 <vakkov> the testing repo is fine ;P
Oct 25 10:03:30 <vakkov> still a mismatch
Oct 25 10:03:41 <vakkov> doesnt matter.. updateing to cssu now
Oct 25 10:04:34 <KotCzarny> maybe someone is breaking into maemo :P 
Oct 25 10:10:57 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~listkeys keys
Oct 25 10:10:58 <infobot> Factoid search of 'keys' by key (17 of 29): not xp or 98. the machine keysersoze ;; sshkeys ;; bbkeys ;; keys ;; keyserver ;; cmd: lackeyslap (.*?) ;; hotkeys ;; wmkeys ;; elive-hotkeys ;; pgpkeys ;; leafmonkeys ;; ou contraire. keyser ;; yeah, that makes sense. if keysersoze's rule ;; keyser ;; kpgpkeys ;; ssh keys ;; n800keys.
Oct 25 10:12:46 <sixwheeledbeast^> hash sum mismatch has been around a while, hasn't it?
Oct 25 10:18:03 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~extras
Oct 25 10:18:03 <infobot> from memory, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Oct 25 10:18:40 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~pkg
Oct 25 10:18:41 <infobot> pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/
Oct 25 11:41:48 <sixwheeledbeast^> Still having issues with mafw-lastfm. Even purging/reinstalling, as soon as I put username/password in it hogs CPU. Any ideas.
Oct 25 11:49:02 <KotCzarny> urlsnarf or any other http traffic monitor?
Oct 25 11:51:17 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast^: lsof -p ?
Oct 25 11:51:24 <KotCzarny> strace -p ?
Oct 25 11:51:43 <bencoh> erm yeah, s/lsof/strace/ :)
Oct 25 11:51:57 <KotCzarny> but yeah, lsof can be useful too
Oct 25 12:00:21 <sixwheeledbeast^> Ok, had to install strace. 
Oct 25 12:02:10 <sixwheeledbeast^> same message repeated, I see both (Timeout) and (Resource temporarily unavailable). I could pastebin
Oct 25 12:02:23 <KotCzarny> please do
Oct 25 12:06:54 <Oksanaa> tracker-tag segfaults when run with -t aka list all tags of a file (in MyDocs/.sounds ). Why? CSSU-Thumb
Oct 25 12:08:35 <Oksanaa> Same for tracker-info
Oct 25 12:09:07 <Oksanaa> And yes, the files is nice and playable in media player and mediainfo
Oct 25 12:10:08 <sixwheeledbeast^> http://pastebin.pw/990
Oct 25 12:11:04 <KotCzarny> hmm
Oct 25 12:11:28 <sixwheeledbeast^> strance repeats over and over, hance CPU hogging
Oct 25 12:11:39 <KotCzarny> that GET is interesting
Oct 25 12:11:39 <sixwheeledbeast^> s/strance/strace
Oct 25 12:13:11 <KotCzarny> can you repeat with -s 256 ?
Oct 25 12:13:19 <KotCzarny> or 1024
Oct 25 12:19:42 <KotCzarny> anyway, mafw-scrobbler seems to use api version 1.2.1 which is deprecated
Oct 25 12:19:51 <KotCzarny> so expect it to die sooner or later
Oct 25 12:23:23 <Oksanaa> Anybody else tried to use tracker-utils? 0.6.95-35maemo1 on 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11+thumb0
Oct 25 12:23:36 <KotCzarny> i have tracker disabled
Oct 25 12:23:43 <sixwheeledbeast^> this is mafw-lastfm not mafw-scrobbler they are two separate packages.
Oct 25 12:24:02 <KotCzarny> swb, anyway, it tries to communicate using 1.2.1 protocol
Oct 25 12:24:28 <KotCzarny> if you use -s 1024 you will see what it tries to post and what it gets in response
Oct 25 12:25:14 <KotCzarny> http://www.last.fm/api/submissions
Oct 25 12:25:18 <Sicelo> Oksanaa: tried other players? non-tracker-based, i mean
Oct 25 12:25:26 <Oksanaa> Or what should I use to change artist+album for tracker+media player? For example, I record Audio with Orecchiette, how do I write down what song and what performers I was recording?
Oct 25 12:25:34 <KotCzarny> here you have protocol description, if you want to debug it yourself
Oct 25 12:26:37 <Oksanaa> What would other non-tracker based players use to identify metadata ? You cannot fit all of it into filepath
Oct 25 12:27:13 * Oksanaa likes the idea of metadata, just not lack of editors for it
Oct 25 12:27:17 <Sicelo> Oksanaa: use tagging software? tracker is good for reading, not setting tags. 
Oct 25 12:27:21 <KotCzarny> type1/genre/artist/album/filename
Oct 25 12:27:31 <KotCzarny> you can fit quite many things in the path
Oct 25 12:27:50 <Sicelo> you can do that like "everyone" seems to do nowadays :/
Oct 25 12:28:18 <Sicelo> if you insist on tags, at least for MP3 there is mid3v2 available and working on N900
Oct 25 12:28:42 <Sicelo> never tried with AAC (which I think Orecchiette records)
Oct 25 12:29:06 <KotCzarny> swb: but in your case i think it fails at handshake stage, maybe it was banned for some reason
Oct 25 12:29:41 <sixwheeledbeast^> hm
Oct 25 12:29:57 <KotCzarny> thats why you should see what it posts and what it gets in response
Oct 25 12:35:56 <KotCzarny> also, check if your system time is set correctly
Oct 25 12:36:08 <KotCzarny> that could also make the request fail
Oct 25 12:37:52 <sixwheeledbeast^> KotCzarny: thanks I seem to have fixed it
Oct 25 12:38:01 <KotCzarny> what was the problem?
Oct 25 12:38:18 <sixwheeledbeast^> KotCzarny: would you believe system time
Oct 25 12:38:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 25 12:38:34 <sixwheeledbeast^> 2 minute out
Oct 25 12:38:53 <sixwheeledbeast^> I have no idea why it wasn't on auto
Oct 25 12:40:59 <Oksanaa> mid3v2 ? I cannot seem to find it in repositories
Oct 25 12:41:49 <Sicelo> let me check where i got it .. have had it for a long time now .. or i took it from debian repos ... just python script. hold on
Oct 25 12:42:51 * Oksanaa dreads python. Is there a non-python version? but can live with python version as long as it works
Oct 25 12:42:55 <Sicelo> Oksanaa: python-mutagen
Oct 25 12:43:11 <KotCzarny> for one-off jobs python is good enough
Oct 25 12:43:17 <KotCzarny> as is any other scripting language
Oct 25 12:43:37 <sixwheeledbeast^> I still get some errors in strace, but it works, I have scrobbled tracks now :)
Oct 25 12:43:55 <Oksanaa> Well, it's not the first or the last time I want to make audio files have neat metadata...
Oct 25 12:44:48 <KotCzarny> oksanaa: tags are nice when they are 100% correct on 100% of the files. and because of that i prefer just directory/filename organisation
Oct 25 12:45:09 <Sicelo> there was Mussorgsky or some similar name .. maybe it would work for you. i didn't like it
Oct 25 12:45:52 <Oksanaa> Heard of it, did not see it yet.
Oct 25 12:46:13 <KotCzarny> i wrote myself tiny util to quickly set tags based on folder/filename and some user provided input
Oct 25 12:46:35 <KotCzarny> https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/EasyTAG/Screenshots
Oct 25 12:46:43 <KotCzarny> also nice
Oct 25 12:46:49 <KotCzarny> but could be too big for n900 screen
Oct 25 12:48:23 <KotCzarny> http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
Oct 25 12:48:25 <KotCzarny> another
Oct 25 12:49:37 <Oksanaa> Thank you. Will look up. Oksana: Mussorgsky , EasyTAG, puddletag
Oct 25 12:50:49 <KotCzarny> of all of them only mussorgsky is ported to n900
Oct 25 12:51:01 <sixwheeledbeast^> I thought mussorgsky stopped working a while ago
Oct 25 12:51:19 <KotCzarny> how can id3 tagger to stop working?
Oct 25 12:51:39 <sixwheeledbeast^> I recall having issues, it needed internet connection IIRC
Oct 25 12:51:44 <KotCzarny> o.O
Oct 25 12:51:54 <bencoh> online tags
Oct 25 12:52:00 <sixwheeledbeast^> for album art I believe
Oct 25 12:52:17 <bencoh> ah
Oct 25 12:56:06 <Oksanaa> exiv2 sounds neat, but not for audio
Oct 25 12:58:00 <Oksanaa> arename is not to my tastes in sense of narrow-mindedness of its purpose
Oct 25 13:00:12 <Sicelo> connect your N900 to computer via mass-storage mode and tag your files there .. may be quickest, painless way :/
Oct 25 13:00:33 <KotCzarny> or download properly tagged torrents
Oct 25 13:00:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 25 13:00:41 <Sicelo> he's recording
Oct 25 13:00:49 <KotCzarny> she's she
Oct 25 13:01:52 <Oksanaa> Mass storage mode is not an option, yet (and being not skilled at soldering, I do procrastinate with repairing it)
Oct 25 13:02:30 <KotCzarny> oksanaa, install tiny-smb
Oct 25 13:02:35 <KotCzarny> or nfs export it
Oct 25 13:04:57 <Oksanaa> What is tiny-smb? Is it in repositories?
Oct 25 13:05:03 <KotCzarny> should be
Oct 25 13:05:12 <KotCzarny> its tiny smb implementation ~200-300kB
Oct 25 13:05:24 <KotCzarny> so you can export files via network
Oct 25 13:05:41 <KotCzarny> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/tinysmb/
Oct 25 13:05:45 <KotCzarny> yeah, ported
Oct 25 13:05:59 <KotCzarny> also this one: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/tinysmbgui/
Oct 25 13:06:11 <KotCzarny> makes configuration/starting/stopping easy
Oct 25 13:06:36 <Oksanaa> Okay, tinysmb
Oct 25 13:07:57 <Oksanaa> gui is qt4 /me not like/ but idea of tinysmb sounds nice
Oct 25 13:08:10 <KotCzarny> erm, qt4? i thought its gtk
Oct 25 13:08:49 <Oksanaa> apt-cache depends tinysmbgui
Oct 25 13:09:22 <Oksanaa> libqt4-gui,xml,core,whatever
Oct 25 13:12:09 <KotCzarny> anyway, config is trivial
Oct 25 13:50:18 <sixwheeledbeast^> it's very difficult to have not use qt on maemo
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Oct 25 16:41:10 <bencoh> has anyone tried http://browser.sed.hu/blog/20141208/how-build-tygl (opengles webkit port)
Oct 25 16:41:13 <bencoh> ?
Oct 25 16:41:24 <bencoh> (for maemo/n900 I mean)
Oct 25 17:23:00 <bencoh> hmm, I forgot recent webkit requires c++11 ...
Oct 25 17:28:32 <KotCzarny> 60+ items - GCC 4.7 and later support -std=c++11 and -std=gnu++11
Oct 25 17:28:48 <KotCzarny> and we have gcc 4.7.2 for scratchbox available
Oct 25 17:28:55 <bencoh> "available"
Oct 25 17:28:59 <KotCzarny> yes, and working
Oct 25 17:29:06 <KotCzarny> at least compiles oscp and libs ok
Oct 25 17:30:45 <bencoh> you build as static
Oct 25 17:31:13 <KotCzarny> libs yes, oscp uses system libs
Oct 25 17:31:18 <bencoh> iirc there is some compat issue with libgcc1-4.2
Oct 25 17:31:55 <bencoh> so that means I'd to either force users to install libgcc1-4.6, or build as static as well
Oct 25 17:32:17 <bencoh> and I wouldn't be able to upload source package to extras anyway
Oct 25 17:32:24 <KotCzarny> no, 4.6 miscompiles code
Oct 25 17:32:29 <KotCzarny> at least the one in repos
Oct 25 17:32:36 <KotCzarny> 4.7.2 works fine
Oct 25 17:32:37 <bencoh> I didnt say gcc-4.6
Oct 25 17:32:41 <bencoh> but libgcc-4.6
Oct 25 17:32:53 <KotCzarny> uhum
Oct 25 17:33:00 <bencoh> oh, and ... I dont really understand why we have gcc-4.6 in extras
Oct 25 17:33:18 <KotCzarny> because someone put it there?
Oct 25 17:33:23 <bencoh> and libgcc1-4.6 in extras, that tries to override system libgcc1-4.2
Oct 25 17:33:37 <bencoh> sure, but that just sounds .... wrong
Oct 25 17:33:57 <KotCzarny> it shows that voting doesnt prevent bad packages
Oct 25 17:35:19 <KotCzarny> 17-Jun-2012
Oct 25 17:38:37 <Sicelo> dpkg -l | grep libgcc
Oct 25 17:38:38 <Sicelo> ii  libgcc1                                             1:4.7.2-0+cssu0                            GCC support library
Oct 25 17:38:49 <Sicelo> that's only libgcc on my N900
Oct 25 17:38:56 <KotCzarny> nice
Oct 25 17:39:02 <KotCzarny> which cssu flavour?
Oct 25 17:39:11 <Sicelo> thumb
Oct 25 17:39:47 <KotCzarny> i wonder if it could be installed in scratchbox too (without creating new target)
Oct 25 17:39:50 <bencoh> yeah, but that's -thumb only
Oct 25 17:40:03 <bencoh> (and mandatory because of the thumb fix)
Oct 25 17:40:05 <KotCzarny> thumb is nice
Oct 25 17:40:15 <Sicelo> and my non-thumb one (cssu testing) has 4.2.1
Oct 25 17:41:13 <bencoh> KotCzarny: I'm not saying that it's not, just that I cant assume everyone has it
Oct 25 17:41:49 <KotCzarny> if you can make it working at least in -thumb, it more than one reason to upgrade to thumb anyway
Oct 25 17:41:50 <Sicelo> i think that 4.2 is pinned? surely 4.6 is not overriding anything .. people who have it likely installed it themselves 
Oct 25 17:42:45 <bencoh> Sicelo: hmm ... where?
Oct 25 17:44:00 <bencoh> it doesnt automatically upgrade to libgcc-4.6 because package depends on gcc-4.6-base
Oct 25 17:44:52 <bencoh> (and apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade packages that depend on not-yet-installed packages)
Oct 25 17:45:11 <KotCzarny> bencoh, compile it for thumb, then test
Oct 25 17:45:29 <KotCzarny> if it works better than anything else you can think about nonthumbers then
Oct 25 17:46:04 <Sicelo> so whoever uploaded 4.6 may have simply harnessed that behaviour of apt :)
Oct 25 17:57:52 <Sicelo> on another note .. for some reason cutetube decides to put arabic hits first when i search :/
Oct 25 17:58:05 <Sicelo> russian actually
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