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Oct 30 05:00:22 <freemangordon> Sicelo: how so?
Oct 30 05:01:44 <Sicelo> what? :)
Oct 30 05:02:34 <freemangordon>  Sicelo: part of my problem with videos was .. i had hd-codecs installed, but something restored original libgstdsp.so to original state
Oct 30 05:04:13 <Sicelo> redownloaded your libgstdsp.so and md5sum from my system didn't match. i guess at some point later i may have installed/reinstalled something tha reverted libgstdsp
Oct 30 05:05:08 <Sicelo> *that
Oct 30 05:06:27 <Sicelo> after restoring your libgstdsp.so, videos seem to be playing normally again instead of throwing errors such as i posted before
Oct 30 05:06:55 <freemangordon> makes sense
Oct 30 05:38:44 <KotCzarny> dpkg -S /path/to/file
Oct 30 05:38:52 <KotCzarny> will show you which package has it
Oct 30 11:08:06 <zGrr> moin :)
Oct 30 11:11:11 <klopsi-u3>  moin
Oct 30 12:35:27 <Vajb> hey. I have strage thing to ask.
Oct 30 12:35:39 <APic> Yes?
Oct 30 12:35:58 <KotCzarny> 42
Oct 30 12:36:01 <APic> B-)
Oct 30 12:36:10 <Vajb> my friend took part of the competition where you make a video cover of one song. You win by number of views. So is it ok if i share the link here?
Oct 30 12:36:38 <Vajb> it is completely of topic, but i think it deserves to be shared
Oct 30 12:36:56 <Vajb> it is youtube video
Oct 30 12:37:07 <KotCzarny> remember that there are multiple irc log bots thatwill open urlspasted
Oct 30 12:37:17 <KotCzarny> dont know if youtube will count those
Oct 30 12:37:33 <Vajb> that meaning?
Oct 30 12:38:08 <KotCzarny> that meaning i dont know what is your stand point on ethics
Oct 30 12:38:43 <Vajb> ah you mean he gets cheated views because of bot's?
Oct 30 12:38:56 <KotCzarny> im not sure, but thats a possibility
Oct 30 12:38:57 <Vajb> sort of "cheated"
Oct 30 12:39:03 <Vajb> i c
Oct 30 12:39:26 <Vajb> but that's why i asked if it is ok :)
Oct 30 12:39:43 <APic> I consider such Request as Spam and would not like it here. You say Yourself it is off-Topic, so… please shut up.  ;)
Oct 30 12:39:56 <APic> Thanks for asking!
Oct 30 12:39:56 <Vajb> well i meant more by channel rules to be honest
Oct 30 12:40:10 <APic> (Instead of just pasting an URL)
Oct 30 12:40:28 <Vajb> i thought it would be more polite :)
Oct 30 12:40:29 <KotCzarny> ~channel-rules
Oct 30 12:40:37 <KotCzarny> none i guess
Oct 30 12:40:43 <Vajb> because i hate nicks who just join post link and part
Oct 30 12:41:09 <Vajb> so if anyone is interested pm me for the link :)
Oct 30 12:41:14 <KotCzarny> vajb, proper spam way is joining as many channels as possible then putting url in quit message
Oct 30 12:41:31 <KotCzarny> (for those that dont know /wall command)
Oct 30 12:41:44 <Vajb> oh that is so sophisticated spam method!
Oct 30 12:41:59 <APic> Is /WALL allowed for non-IRC-Opers here?
Oct 30 12:42:16 <Vajb> but i would miss it because i ignored all joins,parts and quits ;)
Oct 30 12:42:20 <KotCzarny> apic: some irc client just msg all joined channels
Oct 30 12:42:25 <KotCzarny> *clients
Oct 30 12:43:15 <APic> Ah, right. I confused that with /WALLOP
Oct 30 12:43:17 <Maxdamantus> Bought an N9.
Oct 30 12:43:29 <KotCzarny> maxd: how much?
Oct 30 12:44:03 <Maxdamantus> NZ$89
Oct 30 12:44:08 <KotCzarny> not bad
Oct 30 12:44:16 <Maxdamantus> probably overpriced, but meh.
Oct 30 12:44:31 <Maxdamantus> since it's apparently not in particularly good condition.
Oct 30 12:55:01 <KotCzarny> what are your plans?
Oct 30 13:00:32 <zGrr> What do you want to do with N9?
Oct 30 13:01:34 <zGrr> I am asking, because i had N9, didn't like it and switched back to N900.
Oct 30 13:03:36 <KotCzarny> i wanted to port oscp to n9
Oct 30 13:03:39 <bencoh> well ... it only lacks a keyboard amd sd slot. apart from that it's a nice piece of hw
Oct 30 13:03:52 <KotCzarny> but i bought a fake, luckily seller agreed to take it back
Oct 30 13:04:07 <KotCzarny> niceest thing about n9 is 1G of ram
Oct 30 13:04:16 <bencoh> yeah
Oct 30 13:05:54 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~aegis
Oct 30 13:05:54 <infobot> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or  http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif
Oct 30 13:25:51 <zGrr> Firefox can't find the server at www.developer.nokia.com.
Oct 30 13:25:54 <zGrr> :)
Oct 30 13:26:08 <KotCzarny> try other links, should be enough
Oct 30 13:26:26 <KotCzarny> tl;dr version: it's bad
Oct 30 13:37:39 <zGrr> Aegis was evil.
Oct 30 13:38:16 <zGrr> Is jolla using it too?
Oct 30 14:04:18 <Sicelo> i don't think
Oct 30 14:05:38 <kerio> aegis would've been cool if it was user-configurable
Oct 30 14:06:46 <Sicelo> what would it be useful for?
Oct 30 14:08:50 <kerio> malware prevention
Oct 30 14:13:12 <Sicelo> doesn't seem to be helping android or ios
Oct 30 14:13:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 30 14:13:35 <KotCzarny> best malware protection is user education
Oct 30 14:13:36 <kerio> yes, because the user doesn't own the keys
Oct 30 14:14:52 <Sicelo> no. users just choose to allow non-store applications and defeat the system ... it'd be the same with user-configurable aegis imo
Oct 30 14:17:53 <Sicelo> agreed that N9 hardware is amazing overall
Oct 30 14:40:14 <zGrr> no user-replaceable battery, no physical kbd. 
Oct 30 14:42:19 <KotCzarny> no user, but replaceable
Oct 30 14:42:25 <KotCzarny> and you can buy one yourself
Oct 30 14:42:37 <KotCzarny> only one has to disassemble device a bit
Oct 30 14:43:09 <Sicelo> not too hard too
Oct 30 14:45:33 <zGrr> I always carry with me spare battery (or two) for my n900. Sometimes it is very useful. 
Oct 30 14:45:45 <KotCzarny> you can just grab a powerbank
Oct 30 14:46:04 <zGrr> I have a powerbank to. it is not the same.
Oct 30 14:46:08 <KotCzarny> no?
Oct 30 14:47:09 <zGrr> good way to damage your usb socket beyond repair if you're not careful enough and it is very easy to be not careful enough.
Oct 30 14:47:39 <KotCzarny> n9 has usb port issues too?
Oct 30 14:47:47 <KotCzarny> though it was n900's design fail
Oct 30 14:47:55 <KotCzarny> *thought
Oct 30 14:48:05 <zGrr> you're right
Oct 30 14:48:49 <zGrr> many handsets have that design fail, though not the N9
Oct 30 14:49:01 <KotCzarny> now imagine powerbank with inductive charging
Oct 30 14:49:05 <Sicelo> a few did have issues, but likely carelessnes
Oct 30 14:49:54 <zGrr> is there anything wrong with the concept of user-replaceable battery?
Oct 30 14:50:10 <Sicelo> no :)
Oct 30 14:50:32 <zGrr> :)
Oct 30 14:50:34 <KotCzarny> a bit of internal space?
Oct 30 14:50:44 <zGrr> not much
Oct 30 14:51:02 <zGrr> i can think of a better design for a replaceable battery.
Oct 30 14:51:10 <KotCzarny> in mobile device even 0.5mm can make a difference
Oct 30 14:51:56 <KotCzarny> in the past there were cellphones where battery doubled as a back cover
Oct 30 14:51:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 30 14:52:00 <KotCzarny> ericsson mostly
Oct 30 14:52:01 <zGrr> it can be slide in through the slot at the bottom of the handset. bit like a diskette or SD card.
Oct 30 14:52:20 <zGrr> you don't necessarily need back cover.
Oct 30 14:52:24 <Sicelo> slide the battery in the same way you slide sim cards in nowadays
Oct 30 14:52:30 <zGrr> yup
Oct 30 14:52:52 <Sicelo> ah, beat me to it
Oct 30 14:54:21 <KotCzarny> zgrr: imagine this, enlarged battery without need for different cover
Oct 30 14:54:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 30 14:54:34 <KotCzarny> or slimming down the phone if you prefer slimminess
Oct 30 14:57:37 <KotCzarny> and as far away as in ericsson a1028s times, you could've run phone on 4 AAA's
Oct 30 14:57:39 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 30 14:57:47 <KotCzarny> ni-mh
Oct 30 14:57:48 <KotCzarny> ;)
Oct 30 15:00:19 <zGrr> I know. Like Mugen power.
Oct 30 15:01:03 <zGrr> I never actually permanently needed that much capacity. I am perfectly fine with the spare battery plus power bank.
Oct 30 19:06:03 <sixwheeledbeast^> any battery can be replaced, that doesn't make it a replaceable battery tho.
Oct 30 19:06:11 <KotCzarny> apple?
Oct 30 19:06:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 30 19:06:40 <KotCzarny> when battery is glued so removal means risk of destroyed device, its not replaceable
Oct 30 19:14:16 <sixwheeledbeast^> pentalobe screwdriver and a guitar pick, it's still can be replaced.
Oct 30 20:46:17 <Oksanaa> One of the DT-33 battery chargers I have (made by Nokia) is broken. Whatever the battery, it starts blinking rapidly, and does not stop when I take the battery out...
Oct 30 21:08:24 <Oksanaa> I do not see anything particularly broken here: http://i.imgur.com/7Y4sbs9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kN2kUIV.jpg
Oct 30 21:16:53 <KotCzarny> apart from bottom looking like it overheated, sure
Oct 30 21:19:44 <Oksanaa> These liquid-y things are sign of overheating? What can be done to cure it of whatever the problem is?
Oct 30 21:20:08 <KotCzarny> check if connections are working there?
Oct 30 21:20:36 <Maxdamantus> I think the liquidy things would be flux.
Oct 30 21:32:32 <Oksanaa> Yes, likely flux... Will check when I can
Oct 30 23:06:46 <mvaenskae> hm, anyone an idea where i can actually get the license for maemo?
Oct 30 23:48:46 <sixwheeledbeast^> license?
Oct 31 00:55:07 <mvaenskae> pardon for the slow response sixwheeledbeast^; i was wondering what sort of license maemo is given out (GPLv3, LGPL, Apache, ...)
Oct 31 00:55:26 <mvaenskae> and if there was a reference showing what parts are open and which are closed source
Oct 31 01:18:00 <jonwil> http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages and http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/ are what you want
Oct 31 01:18:15 <jonwil> The first one is a list of whats closed
Oct 31 01:18:29 <jonwil> with links to some pieces that were closed but are now open via various methods
Oct 31 01:18:42 <jonwil> and the second contains all the open stuff
Oct 31 01:18:55 <jonwil> i.e. everything officially opened by Nokia
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