**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 31 02:59:59 2015 Oct 31 04:42:37 hey blue maemo doesn't work with the keyboard Oct 31 04:42:56 is there a fix for this? the wiki has none that work Oct 31 04:55:12 hey, the hardware keyboard isn't working with lbluemaemo, does anyone know why? any help greatly appreciated Oct 31 06:47:52 you can remap keys Oct 31 06:47:55 ~remap Oct 31 06:48:00 hmm Oct 31 06:48:02 ~ping Oct 31 06:48:03 ~pong Oct 31 06:48:11 ~keyremap Oct 31 06:48:12 rumour has it, keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Oct 31 06:48:26 ahm, you mean bluetooth Oct 31 06:48:34 also, he left Oct 31 06:48:42 also, good morning Oct 31 06:51:56 pity that he left Oct 31 06:52:27 i could have solved his problem probably Oct 31 06:53:09 * Vajb meant Gear and bluemaemo keyb problem Oct 31 06:53:31 oh yes, also good morning Oct 31 06:57:45 ppl should realise that this is just irc not helpdesk. Although one has to queue for helpdesk call too. Oct 31 07:01:41 some channels have nice info in topic about that Oct 31 07:01:48 i think #alsa is one Oct 31 07:02:04 nope Oct 31 07:02:52 ~ask Oct 31 07:02:52 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Oct 31 07:03:21 there should be also note about long waiting time Oct 31 07:03:43 hmm one way could be to pop up with question and then read the logs if there was answer later Oct 31 07:04:01 assuming one realises there are public logs Oct 31 07:04:21 "we proses your request as as we feel like" Oct 31 07:04:26 eh Oct 31 07:04:33 as soon as we... Oct 31 07:05:14 lets just assume they do, for my thought sake :) Oct 31 07:05:23 nooope. :) Oct 31 07:05:40 :P Oct 31 07:06:19 remember that many questions are already answered on wiki/talk Oct 31 07:06:49 and if people cant google the answers, you think they would google the logs? Oct 31 07:06:56 well if one can't google... Oct 31 07:07:11 is there such person? Oct 31 07:07:28 i think they r growing breed Oct 31 07:08:00 if it's not on your facebook newsfeed then it can't be found Oct 31 07:08:11 yeah, illiteracy is coming quick, communication in pictograms is on top again Oct 31 07:08:25 yup Oct 31 07:09:05 i guess egyptians had it all figured out and then someone just went berserk and invented letters Oct 31 07:09:35 i wonder what was the level of understanding those pictograms in their times Oct 31 07:09:48 * Vajb woders when we start building first pyramid of new era Oct 31 07:09:49 ie. if regular person was able to read them Oct 31 07:10:03 vajb: we do, they are called skyscrapers now Oct 31 07:10:26 oh i thought of pyramid freuds Oct 31 07:10:33 scams Oct 31 07:10:39 how ever it's spelled Oct 31 07:11:08 fraud Oct 31 07:11:28 i doubt that slaves had energy to try reading after work Oct 31 07:11:35 but pyramids werent fraud, they were monuments for their notables Oct 31 07:11:36 oh yes thx! Oct 31 07:11:54 i meant modern pyramid frauds Oct 31 07:12:10 like wincapita Oct 31 07:12:23 ahm, its called pyramid scheme Oct 31 07:12:28 oh Oct 31 07:12:47 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme Oct 31 07:12:48 just did literal translation from my native :) Oct 31 07:13:17 but anyway these are the pyramids of our time Oct 31 07:20:31 how i love random library breakups Oct 31 07:20:58 i've changed something in oscp not related to zziplib and now i get zziplib segfaults according to gdb Oct 31 07:26:05 i forgot the golden rule Oct 31 07:26:21 "don't fix it, if it's not broken" Oct 31 07:26:38 hmm meant you not me... Oct 31 07:26:39 i was adding features to oscp Oct 31 07:26:56 :) Oct 31 07:27:13 and i didnt touch zzip related functions Oct 31 07:27:27 and as i said, it segfaults in zziplib not in oscp Oct 31 07:28:02 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dXKDZtMd Oct 31 07:28:09 it is some sort of program meridian Oct 31 07:28:18 as in acupncture Oct 31 07:28:33 last oscp function is #3, 2 is zziplib, 1 is libz and 0 is libc Oct 31 07:28:35 adding features is a sure way to make it harder to ensure correctness. Oct 31 07:29:05 `rm -rf *` will remove all bugs. Oct 31 07:29:12 hmm about features i remember reading the princible of linux programs Oct 31 07:29:15 but will leave you with 1 big one bug Oct 31 07:29:20 'system is unusable' Oct 31 07:29:33 "make them do one thing, but just better than anyone" Oct 31 07:29:35 linux or unix? Oct 31 07:29:37 unix Oct 31 07:29:46 but linux adopted that philosophy too Oct 31 07:29:48 That's not the unix one. Oct 31 07:30:07 unix is make things that do single things, well. Oct 31 07:30:16 :) Oct 31 07:30:24 similar Oct 31 07:30:28 maybe i just phrase it incorrectly Oct 31 07:30:28 and could be lost in translation Oct 31 07:30:34 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Do_One_Thing_and_Do_It_Well Oct 31 07:30:39 Maybe. Oct 31 07:30:42 DOTADIW Oct 31 07:31:02 but TIMTOWTDI. Oct 31 07:31:20 ylm Oct 31 07:31:25 you lost me Oct 31 07:31:38 ~google TIMTOWTDI Oct 31 07:31:44 ~g TIMTOWTDI Oct 31 07:31:49 ~wiki TIMTOWTDI Oct 31 07:31:54 At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIMTOWTDI (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'There's more than one way to do it' ('TMTOWTDI' or 'TIMTOWTDI', pronounced "Tim Toady") is a Perl programming motto. The language was designed with this idea in mind, in that it “doesn't try to tell the programmer how to program.” As proponents of this motto argue, this philosophy makes it easy to write concise statements like print if 1..3 or /match/ or the more trad Oct 31 07:32:35 and yes, in *nix you can do things in many ways Oct 31 07:33:13 there is only one true linux way, the systemd one Oct 31 07:33:19 actually, at a high level there aren't too many ways to do it. Oct 31 07:33:34 well, that is. Oct 31 07:33:55 define high level Oct 31 07:34:06 awk/sed or higher? Oct 31 07:34:30 At a level involving user interaction or reasoning. Oct 31 07:34:55 (reasoning being important for making things work in alternative ways, like over a network) Oct 31 07:35:11 define user Oct 31 07:35:18 is hacker an user? Oct 31 07:35:25 Yes. Oct 31 07:35:31 then there are many ways Oct 31 07:35:32 a user. Oct 31 07:35:37 an Oct 31 07:35:52 you use an before consonants or whatever its called (aeouiy) Oct 31 07:36:16 but might be additional rules for that too Oct 31 07:37:25 https://www.quora.com/Is-it-an-user-or-a-user Oct 31 07:37:40 you are right in this case, a user Oct 31 07:38:11 i get it now Oct 31 07:38:32 it could sarcastic comment also "oh you did it like that" Oct 31 07:38:39 could be* Oct 31 07:43:46 drat Oct 31 07:44:01 im baffled, cant see where is the culprit of the segv Oct 31 07:45:04 You generally use "an" before vowels, but it doesn't have much to do with letters. Oct 31 07:45:17 yeah, but its the actual sound that matters Oct 31 07:45:26 yes, not the letter. Oct 31 07:45:35 "user" starts with a semivowel, not a vowel. Oct 31 07:45:47 english is broken by design Oct 31 07:46:55 zziplib opens the archive, finds the file, and fails on extraction Oct 31 07:47:33 Music players shouldn't mess with zip files. Oct 31 07:47:46 The user should mount the zip file as a read-only filesystem. Oct 31 07:47:52 unless compressing .mod files save 40-60% of the space Oct 31 07:48:24 and unless you prefer 1 file instead of few thousands Oct 31 07:48:52 What's the difference? Oct 31 07:48:58 and zziplib has nice open() wrappers Oct 31 07:49:00 You have thousands of files inside the zip file. Oct 31 07:49:19 So does fuse-zip. Oct 31 07:49:39 with that, you use exactly the same open() function to access the files. Oct 31 07:50:00 yes, but requires user to install fuse-zip and mount things Oct 31 07:50:11 with zziplib you just open archives as regular dirs Oct 31 07:50:40 and you usuall dont need those .mods for anything other than music player Oct 31 07:50:47 Does it also let you open squashfs filesystems, or do you still need to mount those?\ Oct 31 07:50:48 *usually Oct 31 07:50:58 i dont use squashfs Oct 31 07:51:04 i dont use zip Oct 31 07:51:13 people on internet do Oct 31 07:51:21 most zip archives are zips Oct 31 07:51:26 If I want to compress a directory, I'll use squashfs. Oct 31 07:51:28 s/zip/mod/ Oct 31 07:51:30 KotCzarny meant: most mod archives are zips Oct 31 07:52:08 mc can enter zips, but cant enter swuashfs (without adding a helper) Oct 31 07:52:10 (compress a directory (or file even) so that it can be randomly accessed) Oct 31 07:52:22 Yeah, mc is a bit silly. Oct 31 07:52:27 windows can use zips, but hardly squashfs Oct 31 07:52:53 That's what happens when you create software that has all these features. Oct 31 07:53:06 It becomes difficult to do things it wasn't designed specifically to do. Oct 31 07:54:13 still, i wrote a player that will do things other won't, and its mainly for me (but i shared the product in case some other people would have similar need) Oct 31 08:01:34 google will have to adapt to search for what you are thinking, a scary thought. Oct 31 08:01:59 swb: isnt it what it does actually? Oct 31 08:02:09 ie. search history Oct 31 08:02:21 without any physical input Oct 31 08:02:33 too many thoughts Oct 31 08:02:41 and much worse in case of the women Oct 31 08:02:55 they think about multiple topics at the same time Oct 31 08:03:13 Sounds like me. Oct 31 08:03:46 maxd, but the differnce being men can become 'empty boxes' ie. stop thinking and just relax, women cant Oct 31 08:03:56 they have unending buzz in their heads Oct 31 08:04:21 That just sounds sexist. Oct 31 08:04:33 nope, thats psychology Oct 31 08:04:35 Well maybe an option to select which thoughts, so the contains of your mind aren't tracked all over the net. Oct 31 08:05:12 Like how men are just overly violent. Oct 31 08:05:20 Just psychology, meh. Oct 31 08:05:25 I haven't relaxed in 8 years or so, haven't the time Oct 31 08:05:26 nope, that's physiology Oct 31 08:05:32 (hormones etc) Oct 31 08:07:45 also, knowing how stuff works isnt sexist, sexist is adding personal (unrelated) adjectives Oct 31 08:36:33 Apparently air conditioning is sexist... Oct 31 08:46:31 everything could be sexist if you are crazy enough Oct 31 08:57:23 hmm, code snippet cut out of the program works standalone Oct 31 09:19:32 Might as well use it standalone then. Oct 31 09:19:56 no, it means there is a bug in my code, and proper way is to find that bug Oct 31 09:22:00 But it works outside, so might as well keep it there. Oct 31 09:22:11 also makes dependencies easier to deal with. Oct 31 09:22:36 oscp has almost no dependencies Oct 31 09:22:37 means your program doesn't even depend on things like zziplib or whatever. Oct 31 09:23:28 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dRNn4VPU Oct 31 09:26:29 Do you load things using dlopen directly? Oct 31 09:26:40 nope Oct 31 09:27:34 What does it use to decode certain audio formats? Oct 31 09:28:05 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SCm1t8D1 Oct 31 09:29:25 So how does it invoke functions from libav? Oct 31 09:29:43 static libs Oct 31 09:29:56 ls -l oscp Oct 31 09:29:57 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5607056 Oct 31 10:29 oscp Oct 31 09:30:01 Ah, so you're basically just hiding the dependencies from ldd Oct 31 09:30:05 and 2/3 of that is song lengths db Oct 31 09:30:09 nope Oct 31 09:30:26 not hiding, its not loading anything from the os apart system libs Oct 31 09:31:45 Yes, so the dependencies are just not handled by the dynamic loader. Oct 31 09:31:52 They still exist. Oct 31 09:32:14 dependncies are handled by builder, user doesnt care (and doesnt have to resolve any deps) Oct 31 09:32:28 lol Oct 31 09:32:38 Users sometimes have to care. Oct 31 09:32:52 sure, and thats how debian got into dependency hell Oct 31 09:33:27 libs depending on tens of other libs 'just in case someone might need that tiny feature' Oct 31 09:33:30 I had to compile kiwix-serve on my N900 when I was in the middle of nowhere because their static ARM binaries were too big to download over my limited GPRS connection. Oct 31 09:33:59 and because the bash script I wrote instead was too slow and wasteful. Oct 31 09:39:18 i guess if i had to include all those libs as system dependencies it would be much bigger download than 5megs Oct 31 09:40:46 Not if they're already likely to be installed. Oct 31 09:40:53 unlikely Oct 31 09:40:57 libav? Oct 31 09:41:12 not available (only old libav-mini 0.7 in extras-devel) Oct 31 09:42:26 by libav I mean libavcodec, not necessarily the "libav" project. Oct 31 09:42:42 hm, or was the project called avlib? can't remember. Oct 31 09:42:43 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/liba/libav-mini/ Oct 31 09:43:21 its missing libavformat apparently (or it could be included in avcoded at that time) Oct 31 09:43:27 * Maxdamantus somehow has libavcodec52-4:0.5+svn20090706-5 in Maemo. Oct 31 09:43:35 2009 is old Oct 31 09:43:49 Yes, that's an issue with Maemo. Oct 31 09:44:08 That's basically another case of this stupid dependency crap. Oct 31 09:44:27 It's not based on a well-supported system like Debian. Oct 31 09:44:31 so, you see now why i chose to include libs statically? Oct 31 09:44:44 i wouldnt mind if the system was up to date Oct 31 09:45:19 but now, i can have recent libs on my n900 Oct 31 09:45:53 and i use only oscp as an audio player, so i dont really need all those libs in the system anyway Oct 31 10:00:46 hm, where has the gitorious repo gone? D: Oct 31 10:02:32 Which one? Oct 31 10:03:37 I have a feeling there isn't a central place with backups of the relevant ones. Oct 31 10:05:15 maemo Oct 31 10:07:27 gtk? hildon? hildon-desktop? hildon-status-menu? libdsme? libhildondesktop? libiphb? mce-dev? osso-xterm? ke-recv? Oct 31 10:08:26 Maxdamantus: there is no single source available as is usally the case? Oct 31 10:10:43 i am writing an article for my lecture on open source mobiles and thought about including maemo as it is quite different from all other mobile OSes and i still have my n900 (albeit it has been gone unused for quite some time :/) Oct 31 10:14:08 There's https://web.archive.org/web/20141228121417/https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af at least, but you probably can't access most of the code there. Oct 31 10:19:06 they've been mirrored .. ask in #maemo-ssu Oct 31 10:34:16 Maxdamantus: thanks for the link; so i take it the sources are not easily available anymore for most of the project? Oct 31 10:41:10 I thought the git forms weren't (Sicelo suggested that they've been mirrored .. somewhere) Oct 31 10:41:39 the sources can otherwise generally be found on the community package repositories. Oct 31 10:42:01 _ Oct 31 10:43:21 I happen to have the git repositories for the projects I listed above, because just happened to clone them at some point. Oct 31 10:48:06 mvaenskae: do you listen to music? Oct 31 10:48:07 :) Oct 31 10:48:23 (i might find few uses for your n900 if you do) Oct 31 11:28:34 KotCzarny: i have a few vague ideas in my head about the n900 but i need to first get all my other stuff sorted, mostly studies and all the related projects D: Oct 31 11:28:47 you didnt answer Oct 31 11:29:44 i do listen to music, not right now though; yes i did already have an mpd-server running connecting via reverse-ssh to it and have the n900 play music via the internet streamed from my own machine if that is what you are after ;) Oct 31 11:30:34 on a side-note, what parts of maemo 5 have not been developed by nokia but another party and are part of the flashables? :) Oct 31 11:30:48 well, i was going to advertise my player to you (it has ncurses local interface and networked controller. also works both on pc linux and n900, so one could start core on one and control from another) Oct 31 11:31:31 mvaenskae: for maemo related question, does glibc count? Oct 31 11:32:25 it does, i am mostly wondering who the major contributors were back in the day as i want to mention them by name in a report i am writing on open source mobile systems Oct 31 11:33:15 what is the network-controller part about on the player? :) Oct 31 11:36:28 i guess you can grep changelogs from source packages Oct 31 11:37:19 how does hildon factor into maemo? i never wondered up until now who developed that part Oct 31 11:37:35 mvaenskae: core can open listening connection where anything can connect to it (telnet, some script, gui) and issue commands as LOAD2 file, STOP, PAUSE etc Oct 31 11:38:00 ~hildon Oct 31 11:38:00 i guess hildon is crappy Oct 31 11:38:03 :) Oct 31 11:40:10 ~liskeys hildon Oct 31 11:40:14 ~listkeys hildon Oct 31 11:40:16 Factoid search of 'hildon' by key (4): hildon ;; hildon-extras ;; knows when hildon app manager #DEL# ;; libhildonfm2. Oct 31 11:43:43 ~wiki hildon Oct 31 11:43:51 Wikipedia might be temporarily unavailable (500). Please try again in a few minutes... Oct 31 11:46:27 swb: you've broken wikipedia! Oct 31 11:46:46 m Oct 31 11:46:52 ~wiki hildon Oct 31 11:46:55 At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox software | name = Hildon | title = Hildon | logo = | logo caption = | logo_size = | logo_alt = | screenshot = | caption = | screenshot_size = | screenshot_alt = | collapsible = | author = Nokia | developer = Igalia, Lanedo | released = | discontinued = ??? | latest release version = | latest release date = | latest preview version = | latest preview date = | frequen Oct 31 11:47:02 not quite Oct 31 11:47:21 ~wiki nokia hildon Oct 31 11:47:28 one man does not a dos attack make Oct 31 11:47:29 Wikipedia might be temporarily unavailable (500). Please try again in a few minutes... Oct 31 11:48:02 well one search anyway Oct 31 11:48:19 mvaenskae: oscp's remote protocol is really simple: http://master.dl.sourceforge.net/project/oscp/binaries/remote.txt Oct 31 11:49:11 ~wiki nokia hildon Oct 31 11:49:19 Wikipedia might be temporarily unavailable (500). Please try again in a few minutes... Oct 31 11:49:38 poor bot :( Oct 31 11:49:41 ~botsnack Oct 31 11:49:48 mvaenskae: aw, gee Oct 31 11:50:21 may i ask how come the hildon-foundation is mentioned as the developer of maemo in the wiki article of maemo 5? Oct 31 11:50:57 nokia gave hildon to hi-fo Oct 31 11:54:14 but hildon != maemo, right? Oct 31 11:58:15 hildon is the framework and DE for Maemo Oct 31 12:00:35 nokia gave the maemo name to hifo Oct 31 12:00:51 and maemo.org Oct 31 12:01:01 when was that? Oct 31 12:03:08 it took ages of organising, last year about this time Oct 31 12:03:21 http://maemo.org/community/board/ Oct 31 12:03:24 seems 2012ish Oct 31 12:03:28 http://hildonfoundation.org/agreement-between-nokia-corporation-and-hildon-foundation-announced/ Oct 31 12:04:38 thanks for both links, that helps me show the current setup of maemo as well Oct 31 12:04:53 i find it important to show how the community can keep a project alive and well :) Oct 31 12:06:16 mvaenskae: probably a lot better than if google stopped developing android ;) Oct 31 12:06:42 since then well eV? and other politics has happened. Too complex to keep on top of with little time. Oct 31 12:07:01 imo Oct 31 12:07:57 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/ Oct 31 12:08:03 more board articles Oct 31 12:13:43 buZz: i see google's android (which i shall call googledroid henceforth) as a double-edged sword; sure, it's nice having a software-giant flex its muscles and employ great devs to create a nice system, but they are still an ad-company :/ Oct 31 12:14:07 i have a feeling as if android is more and more becoming ios like Oct 31 12:14:18 i really miss maemo :( Oct 31 12:14:25 mvaenskae: imho its just proprietary Oct 31 12:14:34 i just wish there was more up to date hardware for maemo Oct 31 12:14:40 neo900? Oct 31 12:14:41 that is affordable :/ Oct 31 12:14:46 ah :) Oct 31 12:14:58 i cannot invest that much into the neo900 sadly as much as i wished :( Oct 31 12:15:30 it will eat too much of a hole into my finances :( Oct 31 12:15:41 ah well, who needs money Oct 31 12:15:42 :P Oct 31 12:15:44 um, if you dont need www browser, n900 can do pretty much Oct 31 12:15:59 (well, it can even do www browsing, you just have to disable mem cache) Oct 31 12:16:31 the browser has become more and more important to me as i usually look stuff up while i am on the go and want to read up on some of the stuff that spins in my head :) Oct 31 12:17:18 anything less than ~7" is too small for comfortable web browsing imo Oct 31 12:17:23 i will likely start my n900 again this winter and see to having it set up properly Oct 31 12:17:44 mvaenskae: n900 is a very nice linux phone Oct 31 12:17:49 i can browse on my current phone the web decently Oct 31 12:18:16 i have good eyesight, so 5" is fine for me Oct 31 12:18:22 hell, even 3" works well for webbrowsing Oct 31 12:18:53 nexus 5 that is; it does outperform the n900 in a lot of fields except for openness and the n900 suits my ideology much more Oct 31 12:19:23 that's why i'll give it another go; i just gotta find somewhere a new battery for it Oct 31 12:22:08 and get my soldering up on par; i have a feeling the "bios battery" (iirc that's a supercap) is dead D: Oct 31 12:22:48 ~battery Oct 31 12:22:49 rumour has it, polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement Oct 31 12:23:03 cheap and tested by community Oct 31 12:23:23 ~pupbat Oct 31 12:23:26 ~pupbatt Oct 31 12:23:29 ~pupbattery Oct 31 12:23:37 ~listkeys pupbat Oct 31 12:24:01 Factoid search of 'pupbat' by key returned no results. Oct 31 12:24:04 ~listkeys battery Oct 31 12:24:06 Factoid search of 'battery' by key (13 of 17): batterypatch ;; battery-usage ;; batteryfaq ;; ipaq battery ;; battery life ;; flips ibot's battery disconnect switch ;; batterytest ;; true, but the lack of extra battery #DEL# ;; as battery acid #DEL# ;; battery disconnect switch ;; battery damage ;; #maemo battery ;; battery. Oct 31 12:24:31 ~listkeys bupbat Oct 31 12:24:33 Factoid search of 'bupbat' by key (1): bupbat. Oct 31 12:24:39 ~bupbat Oct 31 12:24:40 bupbat is probably use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 Oct 31 13:09:10 14:15 < KotCzarny> (well, it can even do www browsing, you just have to disable mem cache) Oct 31 13:09:16 meaning? Oct 31 13:28:33 sicelo: rendering works fine in most browsers available on n900 until you start swapping Oct 31 13:28:55 some browsers have configurable memory cache (ie. links2) Oct 31 13:29:10 and i wonder if microb would honor mem cache config Oct 31 14:10:43 I'm about to run ./flash-it-all.sh... do I need to run this from a particular filesystem on the N900? Oct 31 14:12:23 Ignore me, let me search for docs first. Oct 31 14:21:21 My question was invalid anyway. Oct 31 14:36:47 timclassic: yes, it unpacks flasher binary which has to be executable (so no noexec partitions) Oct 31 15:33:54 erm, how do you guys flash maemo if libusb for flasher is missing? Oct 31 15:35:08 copy libusb from any other distro? Oct 31 15:35:52 it's a shared lib and quite old Oct 31 15:36:06 ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Oct 31 15:36:17 i wonder which libusb i can throw at it with dirty-linking Oct 31 15:37:22 meh, invalid elf-header when linking... Oct 31 15:38:36 libusb0 Oct 31 15:38:40 in debian Oct 31 15:38:50 32bit Oct 31 15:39:07 i assume it's the libusb-compat packet within gentoo Oct 31 15:50:32 seems like there is really a need for a new battery Oct 31 15:50:47 constant orange light was what signal again while charging? Oct 31 15:51:08 confused bme Oct 31 15:51:13 :) Oct 31 15:51:50 could be a dead battery Oct 31 15:52:01 nah, it gets hung sometimes Oct 31 15:52:04 try rebooting Oct 31 15:52:13 it won't boot ;) Oct 31 15:52:22 oh, bootloop? Oct 31 15:53:25 3.1V battery Oct 31 15:53:34 i guess the battery is really flat Oct 31 15:54:06 any way to charge it nicely? Oct 31 15:54:33 ~flatbatrecover Oct 31 15:54:40 ~ping Oct 31 15:54:47 infobot missing Oct 31 15:54:52 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Kotczarny#.7Eflatbatrecover Oct 31 15:54:53 see here Oct 31 15:56:05 thanks, i'll just wait it out then :) Oct 31 15:56:16 the bme will start charging eventually, correct? Oct 31 15:56:31 according to someone, yes Oct 31 15:56:56 its not in bootloop right now, ie not trying to boot every few s? Oct 31 15:57:27 no Oct 31 15:57:33 then try waiting Oct 31 15:57:38 i just started my device after a couple months of no usage Oct 31 15:57:51 you shouldnt leave battery in the device Oct 31 15:58:15 may i ask why? Oct 31 15:58:47 most electronics these days have non-removable batteries Oct 31 15:58:47 li-ions prefer storage with ~40% capacity Oct 31 15:59:01 most electronics are made to be disposable nowadays Oct 31 15:59:15 ie. 3 years contract, then get new one Oct 31 15:59:51 leaving battery in device risks battery sucked dry Oct 31 16:01:03 true; i am trying to source some old n900 devices from my university if they still have them Oct 31 16:01:49 ooh, n900 dealer? Oct 31 16:01:50 :) Oct 31 16:19:41 hi, i want to install git on my new n900 but it fails because of some missing packages: https://bpaste.net/show/0fd602184453 Oct 31 16:19:44 what do i do? Oct 31 16:20:40 messed packages, try installing those dependencies to see what the blocker is Oct 31 16:21:13 KotCzarny: https://bpaste.net/show/3c1c418888e7 Oct 31 16:22:22 perl is also not installable for the same reason as perl-modules Oct 31 16:22:43 what repos you have? Oct 31 16:24:01 KotCzarny: the default ones + extras-devel fremantle-1.3 Oct 31 16:25:28 hmm Oct 31 16:27:32 and what is the reason for perl-modules? Oct 31 16:27:39 ahm, k Oct 31 16:28:14 i assume you've already tried apt-get update and apt-get install -f ? Oct 31 16:32:50 also, can you disable extras-devel, update and try installing perl again? Oct 31 16:37:13 KotCzarny: yes i have Oct 31 16:37:15 KotCzarny: https://bpaste.net/show/4ade363dfe68 Oct 31 17:03:18 hm, my device runs, but i cannot flash it, no suitable device found following the Linux PC instruction here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Oct 31 17:03:26 ~flashing Oct 31 17:03:27 i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Oct 31 17:03:33 download, unpack, run Oct 31 17:03:42 or is the battery really required to be 100% full? Oct 31 17:03:52 yes, you need charged battery Oct 31 17:21:33 i will either give it a night to charge then or buy a new one from amazon :) Oct 31 17:22:28