**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 06 02:59:58 2015
Nov 06 05:35:48 * Oksana is trying out redshift: http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxxf86vm/libxxf86vm1_1.1.0-2+squeeze1_armel.deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/redshift/redshift_1.2-3_armel.deb
Nov 06 05:44:14 <Oksana> This one is better: http://dtp.archive.or.id/debian-security/pool/updates/main/libx/libxxf86vm/libxxf86vm1_1.1.0-2+squeeze1_armel.deb
Nov 06 05:47:04 <Oksana> Better, as in, available. Still, incompatible... Whyever?
Nov 06 05:56:20 <Oksana> Alright, dpkg -i did it. Probably strange app category; like system instead of user/*
Nov 06 06:05:16 <Oksana> This one is here: ftp://ftp.debian.ikoula.com/debian-archive/pool/main/r/redshift/redshift_1.2-3_armel.deb
Nov 06 06:05:33 <Oksana> And, what's up with downgraded libxcb-randr0 ?
Nov 06 06:39:54 <jonwil> hi
Nov 06 06:45:14 <klopsi-u3>  hi jonwil 
Nov 06 07:21:42 <freemangordon> jonwil: pong
Nov 06 07:23:39 <jonwil> I have done all of the parts of libcodelockui I can do at this point. Still need your help with codelock_response_signal, clui_code_dialog_set_input_sensitive, clui_code_dialog_create_number_button and clui_code_dialog_build (and a general check over what I have done to make sure I didn't make any rookie mistakes like I did with osso-systemui-alarm)
Nov 06 07:24:01 <jonwil> and yes I did look at the x86 code and no it didn't help with those 4 functions
Nov 06 07:24:42 <freemangordon> jonwil: ok, will try to find some time during the weekend to see what I can do
Nov 06 07:24:48 <jonwil> ok, no worries
Nov 06 07:25:03 <jonwil> its not like there is any great hurry to have a clone of codelockui :)
Nov 06 07:25:25 <freemangordon> yeah
Nov 06 07:29:28 <jonwil> Not sure what to work on next though
Nov 06 07:31:23 <freemangordon> there are another systemui plugins, ain't?
Nov 06 07:32:07 <jonwil> osso-systemui-devlock might be a worthwhile target
Nov 06 07:35:18 <jonwil> although I am not sure exactly what having clones of these systemui things lets us do that we cant otherwise do
Nov 06 07:35:38 <jonwil> codelockui is useful because we can do portrait ui for it that doesn't screw up
Nov 06 07:35:57 <jonwil> but systemui less so
Nov 06 07:36:12 <jonwil> unless there is some benefit to having all of systemui cloned that I am not seeing
Nov 06 07:37:12 <freemangordon> migrating to gtk3
Nov 06 07:38:00 <jonwil> we need a lot more than just systemui to get us to GTK3
Nov 06 07:38:30 <freemangordon> sure, but avery small steps brings us closer
Nov 06 07:38:33 <freemangordon> *every
Nov 06 07:38:44 <freemangordon> shit. STEP
Nov 06 07:39:01 * freemangordon is still having his first coffee for the day
Nov 06 07:39:18 <jonwil> but if the big steps that remain are so big as to be as-good-as-impossible then the small steps dont mean a thing
Nov 06 07:40:36 <freemangordon> that looks promising
Nov 06 07:40:48 <jonwil> what looks promising?
Nov 06 07:41:26 <freemangordon> oops :D
Nov 06 07:41:27 <freemangordon> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1487058&postcount=10
Nov 06 07:42:15 <jonwil> and by big steps I mean things like rtcom-call-ui, rtcom-messaging-ui, browser etc
Nov 06 07:42:51 <jonwil> If replacing the big pieces is too hard, then any work on the little pieces gets us no closer to gtk3 in the grand scheme of things
Nov 06 07:43:06 <freemangordon> I know, but those are not parts of core OS
Nov 06 07:43:36 <jonwil> systemui isn't really technically either
Nov 06 07:43:39 * freemangordon wishes to have enough free time to work on browser replacement
Nov 06 07:43:56 <freemangordon> jonwil: I think it is
Nov 06 07:44:44 <klopsi-u3> what browser would come into question as a replacement?
Nov 06 07:44:51 <jonwil> Maybe my next mission could be to pull apart the browser and document all the things necessary in terms of replacing it
Nov 06 07:45:23 <freemangordon> klopsi-u3: maybe netsurf
Nov 06 07:46:14 <freemangordon> gecko has become too monstrous to continue to use it
Nov 06 07:46:26 <bencoh> when you say "gtk3", you mean replacing gtk2 with gtk3 and porting every gtk app in the base system if needed?
Nov 06 07:46:27 <freemangordon> (in terms of memory usage)
Nov 06 07:46:35 <freemangordon> bencoh: yeah
Nov 06 07:47:16 <freemangordon> and afaik gtk2 and gtk3 can coexist
Nov 06 07:47:20 <bencoh> regarding the web browser, I wonder if https://github.com/szeged/TyGL would do
Nov 06 07:47:31 <KotCzarny> yeah, but having both gtk2 and 3 apps eats more memory
Nov 06 07:47:39 <bencoh> KotCzarny: exactly
Nov 06 07:47:47 <freemangordon> I know
Nov 06 07:47:53 <jonwil> Would we keep the old browser around for 
Nov 06 07:47:58 <freemangordon> bencoh: this is webkit based?
Nov 06 07:48:01 <bencoh> (like with qt; just a bit less)
Nov 06 07:48:04 <bencoh> freemangordon: yup
Nov 06 07:48:21 <freemangordon> "our" webkit is too old and slow to be a viable replaceent
Nov 06 07:48:29 <bencoh> it's gles/efl based
Nov 06 07:48:30 <KotCzarny> gtk3 is nice because of touch enhancements
Nov 06 07:48:38 <KotCzarny> (scrolled windows and stuff)
Nov 06 07:48:38 <jonwil> If we replaced the browser what would we do about rtcom-messaging-ui?
Nov 06 07:48:47 <jonwil> which uses the browser engine
Nov 06 07:48:51 <KotCzarny> i mean kinetic scrolled
Nov 06 07:48:53 <bencoh> jonwil: rewrite it with something else I guess
Nov 06 07:48:56 <freemangordon> it uses it through a shim
Nov 06 07:49:05 <bencoh> ah
Nov 06 07:49:12 <freemangordon> gtkmozembed or somesuch, which is foss
Nov 06 07:50:33 <freemangordon> is there a dialer application in nemo?
Nov 06 07:50:48 <jonwil> actually rtcom-messaging-api uses tablet-browser-view and brwoser-neteal to talk to the browser engine
Nov 06 07:51:01 <bencoh> freemangordon: I think there are two (the old one and the new one)
Nov 06 07:51:24 <jonwil> so rtcom-messaging-api talks to an instance of browserd
Nov 06 07:52:04 <freemangordon> jonwil: still the same, rtcom-messageing-ui just embeds a browser engine wrapper and makes it navigate to your emessages
Nov 06 07:52:27 <jonwil> yeah it communicates to browserd over dbus
Nov 06 07:53:01 <jonwil> also what do we do about Flash on any new browser?
Nov 06 07:53:07 <jonwil> Or is the answer "we dont care anymore"?
Nov 06 07:53:14 <freemangordon> yes, we don;t care
Nov 06 07:53:38 <freemangordon> also, nothing stops you from having microd still there
Nov 06 07:53:39 <jonwil> I for one dont think I have ever intentionally visited a site on my N900 that used Flash for anything important
Nov 06 07:53:43 <freemangordon> *microb
Nov 06 07:54:04 <freemangordon> jonwil: besides youtube, back in the days it used to work
Nov 06 07:54:17 <jonwil> Never visited YT on the N900 at all
Nov 06 07:54:22 * freemangordon did
Nov 06 07:54:43 <jonwil> A new browser can use the non-Flash HTML5 version of YouTube
Nov 06 07:54:48 <jonwil> just like I get on my desktop
Nov 06 07:55:01 <freemangordon> exactly
Nov 06 07:55:27 <freemangordon> I have some experience with gecko's gst pipeline ;)
Nov 06 07:56:02 <freemangordon> BTW netsurf is a nughtmare to build
Nov 06 07:56:07 <freemangordon> *nightmare
Nov 06 07:57:31 <jonwil> Worse than trying to build Gecko on a Windows PC?
Nov 06 07:57:45 <freemangordon> never tried but I guess
Nov 06 07:58:57 <jonwil> there are a few things that a new browser should copy from microb
Nov 06 07:59:24 <klopsi-u3> swiping pages with finger
Nov 06 07:59:25 <jonwil> like the ability to bring up the phone dialer when you press on a phone number link (if its been made properly on the web site)
Nov 06 07:59:52 <klopsi-u3> i don't need that but nice 
Nov 06 07:59:55 <sixwheeledbeast^> is QML browser not worth giving some love? 
Nov 06 08:00:04 <freemangordon> jonwil: that shouldn;t be hard to implement
Nov 06 08:00:27 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast^: imo no, as the underlying engine doesn't worth it
Nov 06 08:01:26 <sixwheeledbeast^> ok, I am only thinking from a time/code saving POV
Nov 06 08:02:03 <jonwil> whilst it would be great to have a new browser for the N900, I think that such an effort is going to be a medium-term or long-term thing
Nov 06 08:03:40 <jonwil> In the short term it would be useful to update the security stuff in the existing browser so it works with modern websites and doesn't leave people vulnerable to exploits and security flaws
Nov 06 08:03:43 <sixwheeledbeast^> i am not even sure what engine it uses, webkit?
Nov 06 08:05:01 <KotCzarny> not many exploits target arm-linux browsers
Nov 06 08:05:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 06 08:05:13 <KotCzarny> mostly xss
Nov 06 08:05:32 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast^: which browser?
Nov 06 08:05:39 <sixwheeledbeast^> qml
Nov 06 08:05:46 <freemangordon> webkit
Nov 06 08:06:59 <sixwheeledbeast^> :nod: just done a browser check. 
Nov 06 08:08:15 <jonwil> Not so much exploits in the browsers
Nov 06 08:08:29 <jonwil> but all the various SSL/TLS exploits that work on any vulnerable browser
Nov 06 08:08:35 <jonwil> and can be used for MITM attacks etc
Nov 06 08:10:45 <jonwil> and also the need to update the security so it supports standards it doesn't currently support (like TLS1.2) that some websites are now requiring
Nov 06 08:10:59 <jonwil> the security stuff in microb is the Gecko NSS library
Nov 06 08:11:25 <jonwil> so we would need to somehow do things to that to make it work :)
Nov 06 08:17:19 <bencoh> what I dont understand is how rendering is done with tablet-ui/browser/browserd in microb
Nov 06 08:18:02 <bencoh> does browserd render to a memory buffer and UI displays it?
Nov 06 08:20:25 <jonwil> no, browserd renders to a GTK object of some sort
Nov 06 08:22:56 <bencoh> and ... object is passed through dbus? oO
Nov 06 08:23:09 <bencoh> or is there some sharedmem mechanism?
Nov 06 08:23:12 <jonwil> I believe it passes an xid
Nov 06 08:23:17 <bencoh> ah
Nov 06 08:23:25 <bencoh> makes sense
Nov 06 08:23:49 <jonwil> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/browser/client-server/trunk/neteal/include/neteal.h?revision=4005&view=markup has the gory details if you care :)
Nov 06 08:24:32 <jonwil> its using a GtkPlug and a GtkSocket whatever those are
Nov 06 08:24:51 <freemangordon> hmm, iirc gtk has API to embed one process' window into another process window
Nov 06 08:25:03 <jonwil> yeah I see now on the GTK docs what those 2 are for
Nov 06 11:23:34 <jonwil> hi
Nov 06 11:24:27 <jonwil> merlin1991: ping
Nov 06 12:04:09 <bencoh> has anyone ever had only one non-working headphone output side?
Nov 06 12:04:23 <bencoh> (n900)
Nov 06 12:05:46 <Wizzup> you sure it's not your HP/plug?
Nov 06 12:05:59 <Wizzup> I've had issues with the HP, yes. Opened it up a few times to fix it
Nov 06 12:14:46 <bencoh> Wizzup: headphones plug or n900 plug ?
Nov 06 12:15:28 <bencoh> it could be my headphones, I dont know yet (I'm on the go)
Nov 06 12:15:30 <Wizzup> HP uncountably many times
Nov 06 12:15:32 <Wizzup> n900 as few times
Nov 06 12:15:40 <Wizzup> a few times*
Nov 06 12:15:44 <bencoh> how did you fix n900?
Nov 06 12:15:53 <Wizzup> open it, and pushed something a bit back
Nov 06 12:15:57 <Wizzup> iirc it just didn't make contact
Nov 06 12:16:57 <bencoh> the springs?
Nov 06 12:17:33 <bencoh> (headphone detection works properly, and I have one working side)
Nov 06 12:18:09 <Wizzup> I have had that often
Nov 06 12:18:12 <Wizzup> usually a HP problem
Nov 06 12:19:17 <KotCzarny> bencoh, find someone with headphones and test
Nov 06 12:19:52 <Wizzup> And then grab a soldering iron
Nov 06 12:19:54 <Wizzup> ;)
Nov 06 12:20:02 <bencoh> :)
Nov 06 12:20:15 <KotCzarny> or test headphones with someones device
Nov 06 12:20:22 <KotCzarny> that would also provide some info
Nov 06 12:20:41 <bencoh> KotCzarny: yeah, I just dont have either right now
Nov 06 12:20:45 <Wizzup> ``hey baby, can I plug in my headphone plug for a bit''
Nov 06 12:21:00 <Wizzup> ``can you put on some music?''
Nov 06 12:21:04 <Wizzup> sokay ... orry ;) 
Nov 06 12:21:07 <Wizzup> okay .... sorry*
Nov 06 12:22:00 <KotCzarny> you will never know if you dont ask, right?
Nov 06 12:22:06 <bencoh> :]
Nov 06 12:27:00 <Vajb> bencoh: just go by "hey baby can i put my jack into your socket"
Nov 06 12:28:04 <bencoh> meh
Nov 06 12:28:26 <Vajb> maybe to add my 3.5mm jack :)
Nov 06 12:29:33 <KotCzarny> hey baby, my plug is not working correctly, would you like to help me out?
Nov 06 12:30:41 <Vajb> could work too!
Nov 06 12:46:04 * jonwil has run out of things to reverse engineer
Nov 06 12:47:05 <KotCzarny> jonwil, reverse cmt-speech
Nov 06 12:47:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 06 12:47:34 <jonwil> not gonna happen :)
Nov 06 12:50:52 <klopsi-u3>   jonwil are you doing that for neo900?
Nov 06 12:51:02 <jonwil> doing what? Reverse engineering?
Nov 06 12:51:14 <jonwil> I am not specifically doing reverse engineering for Neo900
Nov 06 12:51:40 <jonwil> I am just reverse engineering parts of the N900 system that have some value in being reverse engineered
Nov 06 12:51:46 <jonwil> or that are interesting to reverse engineer
Nov 06 12:51:48 <klopsi-u3>  cool
Nov 06 12:52:22 <jonwil> but its getting to the point where all the interesting or useful things are too complex to reverse engineer
Nov 06 12:53:48 <jonwil> hence my claim that I am out of things to do
Nov 06 12:55:39 <klopsi-u3> What things need replacement for security purposes
Nov 06 12:55:51 <klopsi-u3> i have a newly flashed pr1.3 i think
Nov 06 12:56:12 <jonwil> Installing CSSU is the best way to go for security things
Nov 06 12:56:22 <jonwil> That's the best you can get as far as a "security update"
Nov 06 12:56:36 <klopsi-u3> ok
Nov 06 12:57:49 <zGrr> neo900 is going to be quite expensive. around 1k€ if i remember correctly, right? 
Nov 06 12:59:04 <klopsi-u3> i saw that number also
Nov 06 13:04:34 <zGrr> did you actually consider possibility of porting maemo to any of countless shenzen smartphones? would it actually make any sense? 
Nov 06 13:08:31 <Vajb> it would not IMO. They still lack hw kbd no matter of OS.
Nov 06 13:10:15 <KotCzarny> well, why did chines did not put linux on them in the first place?
Nov 06 13:10:40 <KotCzarny> oh, i know, ti licence price :P
Nov 06 13:17:23 <zGrr> Vajb:  don't get me wrong, i'd love to have a hw kbd, but i see the keyboard as least of a problem. 
Nov 06 13:17:49 <zGrr> KotCzarny:  did they? i've never heard of it.
Nov 06 13:18:47 <KotCzarny> see 'did not'
Nov 06 13:18:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 06 13:23:59 <zGrr> KotCzarny:  right, i see. it was a question. :)
Nov 06 13:24:36 <zGrr> KotCzarny:  it's a complex question.
Nov 06 13:27:36 <zGrr> KotCzarny:  maybe they simply didn't know, they could come here and ask to port linux to run on their handsets? 
Nov 06 13:28:26 <zGrr> KotCzarny:  but even if they did, it might not be that easy because they don't control some key smartphone components. 
Nov 06 13:34:56 <Vajb> zGrr: it's about personal taste i think :) Hw kbd was the main thing for me when i decided to buy n900
Nov 06 13:37:41 <zGrr> Vajb:  main thing was linux. if the keyboard was main thing, you'd be fine with droid4, blackberry or something like that. 
Nov 06 13:40:06 <klopsi-u3> both are needed to be good
Nov 06 13:40:36 <klopsi-u3> you could say 'main thing on this car is the diesel engine'
Nov 06 13:40:43 <klopsi-u3> but you still need a steering wheel
Nov 06 13:41:37 <Vajb> zGrr: That is possible, but in finnish market there wasn't any droid phone with kbd. Even Jolla has no kbd.
Nov 06 13:42:32 <Vajb> my previous phone was e90. So maybe you understand my fuss over kbd :)
Nov 06 13:44:28 <zGrr> Vajb:  i understand. i still use n900 as my primary phone. hw kbd plays major factor, but the primary thing is, there is no other phone on the market that could functionally replace it. 
Nov 06 13:47:56 <Vajb> well to be honest nowadays there are other reasons to use n900, but kbd was first back then.
Nov 06 13:47:56 <Vajb> i like the way the stuff just works
Nov 06 13:51:09 <klopsi-u3> i had to reflash twice recently
Nov 06 13:53:24 <KotCzarny> for me major factor is that i can easily write apps for it
Nov 06 13:53:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 06 13:53:54 <Vajb> lucky you :)
Nov 06 13:54:06 <KotCzarny> you can too
Nov 06 13:54:09 <KotCzarny> pygtk etc
Nov 06 13:54:20 <Vajb> i could also, but im too busy to start learning code.
Nov 06 13:54:41 <Vajb> i've planned, but haven't got time so, meh
Nov 06 13:54:59 <KotCzarny> best way is just having a target (ie. you need something)
Nov 06 13:55:06 <KotCzarny> then learning comes as a bonus
Nov 06 13:58:17 <Vajb> like, i want to remove one feature ;)
Nov 06 13:59:12 <Sicelo> :)
Nov 06 14:06:48 <zGrr> ... and there is easydebian for n900
Nov 06 14:08:35 <KotCzarny> only chroot
Nov 06 14:08:38 <KotCzarny> not native
Nov 06 14:09:14 <drathir> alarm rulez ^^
Nov 06 14:09:26 <drathir> hrhr...
Nov 06 14:09:34 <Sicelo> debian runs fine native on n900
Nov 06 14:09:42 <KotCzarny> with gsm voice?
Nov 06 14:09:51 <Sicelo> as well as other distros
Nov 06 14:10:12 <drathir> alarm modem only supporting if nothin changed...
Nov 06 14:10:37 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: i have always thought voice was not available. now it is completely supported. got confirmation few days ago
Nov 06 14:10:45 <KotCzarny> wooo!
Nov 06 14:10:52 <KotCzarny> now THAT's news
Nov 06 14:11:11 <drathir> Sicelo: You jokin right ? ^^
Nov 06 14:11:15 <Sicelo> bencoh has more faith than i do
Nov 06 14:11:20 <Sicelo> no. not joking
Nov 06 14:11:27 <drathir> O.o
Nov 06 14:11:32 <Sicelo> http://elinux.org/N900 .. all is there.
Nov 06 14:11:38 <Sicelo> just make UI and roll
Nov 06 14:11:39 <KotCzarny> now we just need flashable image
Nov 06 14:11:40 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 06 14:11:59 <drathir> Sicelo: thats great news !!!
Nov 06 14:12:11 <Sicelo> of course won't have 3d accel ever
Nov 06 14:12:29 <drathir> XFCE4 WORKIN GREAT...
Nov 06 14:12:33 <drathir> sry caps ;/
Nov 06 14:12:40 <zGrr> yup
Nov 06 14:12:57 <Vajb> KotCzarny: now you have problem and you can learn ;)
Nov 06 14:13:22 <drathir> its not android which need 4+cores and acceleration to workin... ;p
Nov 06 14:13:23 <Sicelo> drathir: e17 was good too last i tested
Nov 06 14:16:29 <KotCzarny> remember linux ran on 386 with 4M of ram
Nov 06 14:17:03 <Sicelo> of course xfce/lxde are great in that they are more mainstream (so you get lots of plugins/features than e17), but still light
Nov 06 14:17:14 <KotCzarny> yup
Nov 06 14:17:24 <KotCzarny> fluxbox might be too hardcore
Nov 06 14:17:25 <KotCzarny> ;)
Nov 06 14:20:24 * Sicelo will check if there's a way to contact skry
Nov 06 14:31:18 <Sicelo> ah .. seems he's at least aware about recent developments 
Nov 06 14:31:32 <Sicelo> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/3/2/747 
Nov 06 14:31:37 <zGrr> KotCzarny:  i bought pentium 500 mmx (geode lx on alix) last year. 
Nov 06 14:39:38 <KotCzarny> zgrr: wanna run oscp on it?
Nov 06 14:39:39 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 06 14:40:51 <zGrr> not yet
Nov 06 14:49:46 <KotCzarny> i run it on 400mz vx machine
Nov 06 14:58:16 <untouchable> hi all
Nov 06 14:58:33 <untouchable> i am trying reflash nokia n900 need the filesplease
Nov 06 14:58:50 <untouchable> been trying for days
Nov 06 14:59:08 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Nov 06 14:59:13 <KotCzarny> ~ping
Nov 06 14:59:16 <KotCzarny> bot is away
Nov 06 14:59:18 <infobot> [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Nov 06 14:59:18 <infobot> 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
Nov 06 15:00:52 <untouchable> i have been there all the links not avalible any more
Nov 06 15:00:55 <KotCzarny> grab the script, run it
Nov 06 15:01:02 <KotCzarny> nothing else needed
Nov 06 15:01:10 <untouchable> which one
Nov 06 15:01:15 <untouchable> the first one
Nov 06 15:01:20 <KotCzarny> second
Nov 06 15:01:45 <untouchable> how to run it please
Nov 06 15:02:13 <untouchable> nokia n900 now saying image needed
Nov 06 15:02:13 <KotCzarny> unpack archive
Nov 06 15:02:16 <KotCzarny> ...
Nov 06 15:02:22 <untouchable> alright
Nov 06 15:02:23 <KotCzarny> you know *nix cmdline basics?
Nov 06 15:03:12 <untouchable> i know nothing i just followed instruction downloadind this and that from maemo and nothing working
Nov 06 15:04:20 <KotCzarny> ok, download the script
Nov 06 15:04:26 <KotCzarny> on pc
Nov 06 15:04:36 <KotCzarny> unpack with tar -xzf file.tar.gz
Nov 06 15:04:44 <KotCzarny> enter unpacked dir, run the script inside
Nov 06 15:04:51 <KotCzarny> dont rememember the name
Nov 06 15:05:28 <untouchable> open the script with what command please
Nov 06 15:06:07 <KotCzarny> ./script_name
Nov 06 15:06:10 <untouchable> its not a zip
Nov 06 15:06:29 <KotCzarny> ....
Nov 06 15:06:37 <KotCzarny> 1/ download script
Nov 06 15:06:48 <KotCzarny> 2/ unpack with: tar -xzf filename
Nov 06 15:06:56 <KotCzarny> 3/ enter unpacked dir
Nov 06 15:07:06 <KotCzarny> 4/ run: ./scriptname (dont remember the name)
Nov 06 15:08:12 <untouchable> it just saying maemo my private work
Nov 06 15:09:03 <untouchable> so my nokia n900 broken now right???
Nov 06 15:09:07 <untouchable> itd done
Nov 06 15:09:10 <untouchable> its
Nov 06 15:15:43 <nokia> gosh 
Nov 06 15:15:46 <nokia> its me again
Nov 06 15:15:55 <nokia> now any one to help me please
Nov 06 15:16:42 <nokia> i have nokia n900 and now saying no image after i tried to download flasher and the 2 files as instructed and nothing is working
Nov 06 15:17:20 <nokia> when nokia n900 start the screen message comes as no image!
Nov 06 15:17:28 <KotCzarny> the script is not firmware, you have to run it to download firmware and flash 
Nov 06 15:17:49 <nokia> i hear you buddy but non of the links is working
Nov 06 15:18:08 <nokia> how to run this script you adviced?
Nov 06 15:18:16 <nokia> i am using window XP
Nov 06 15:18:37 <KotCzarny> just checked, its working 
Nov 06 15:18:43 <KotCzarny> its for linux pc
Nov 06 15:19:13 <nokia> could you please instruct me of how to run this script please when i download it my deskto came as open with what?
Nov 06 15:19:19 <nokia> oh
Nov 06 15:19:23 <nokia> so not for windows
Nov 06 15:21:38 <nokia> alright so no advice
Nov 06 15:21:42 <KotCzarny> just google
Nov 06 15:21:42 <nokia> thanks you 
Nov 06 15:21:48 <KotCzarny> there are some mirrors still active
Nov 06 15:22:06 <nokia> i have been googling for days so why maemo not having active up to date links
Nov 06 15:22:20 <KotCzarny> because of nokia
Nov 06 15:24:44 <KotCzarny> ~firmware
Nov 06 15:24:51 <infobot> it has been said that firmware is please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher
Nov 06 15:24:57 <KotCzarny> ~combined
Nov 06 15:24:58 <infobot> from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Nov 06 15:25:03 <KotCzarny> grab this one
Nov 06 17:38:20 <maria2> hi
Nov 06 17:39:17 <sixwheeledbeast^> lo
Nov 06 17:40:44 <KotCzarny> ultra
Nov 06 17:41:20 <maria2> ultra que
Nov 06 17:50:39 <KotCzarny> ultra super hi premium
Nov 06 18:33:48 <buZz> is there some filemanager for maemo that does scp?
Nov 06 18:55:53 <ceene> buZz: mc, midnight commander
Nov 06 18:56:04 <buZz> hmmm good point! ty
Nov 06 18:56:05 <ceene> is a terminal (ncurses) application
Nov 06 19:53:06 <sixwheeledbeast^> would you not use scp in a terminal?
Nov 06 20:18:37 <KotCzarny> re.
Nov 06 20:34:07 <Maxdamantus> If you want something like a file manager, just use a normal filemanager on a sshfs (sftp) mountpoint.
Nov 06 20:53:28 <Maxdamantus> (I'm not sure scp itself is suitable for file management btw—you'd probably want to use sftp)
Nov 06 21:01:15 <KotCzarny> http://www.techamok.com/?pid=16649
Nov 06 21:01:15 <KotCzarny> lol
Nov 06 21:12:05 <Sicelo> yes, saw that yesterday. on the other hand, Google blames device manufacturers for almost all insecurities. they tested the SGS6 and found many weaknesses
Nov 06 21:12:52 <KotCzarny> main problem is that devices cant be upgraded by user
Nov 06 21:13:14 <KotCzarny> ie. manufacturer moves on, support is 0
Nov 06 21:13:35 <Sicelo> SGS6 is current flagship
Nov 06 21:14:01 <KotCzarny> yeah, but im talking about older devices
Nov 06 21:14:04 <KotCzarny> and non-googlish
Nov 06 21:14:18 <KotCzarny> without root user cant even try to replace system things
Nov 06 21:14:23 <KotCzarny> and even then..
Nov 06 21:16:30 <KotCzarny> in that matter even n900 is better
Nov 06 22:25:45 <plomlompom> So I just got me this n900, and I installed fapman. Am I right to assume that I don't run into any major trouble by uninstalling any packages fapman allows me to uninstall apart from the Maemo 5 package?
Nov 06 22:29:37 <KotCzarny> ~fapman
Nov 06 22:29:38 <infobot> fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
Nov 06 22:29:44 <KotCzarny> install cssu
Nov 06 22:29:51 <KotCzarny> ham in cssu is much improved
Nov 06 22:31:03 <KotCzarny> major trouble in fapman is that it calls autoremove
Nov 06 22:31:09 <KotCzarny> which can f*ckup your system
Nov 06 22:31:59 <plomlompom> Ah, thanks! "install cssu", as in https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation I assume?
Nov 06 22:32:14 <KotCzarny> most likely
Nov 06 22:32:17 <KotCzarny> ~cssu
Nov 06 22:32:17 <infobot> well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Nov 06 22:32:21 <KotCzarny> yeah
Nov 06 22:32:31 <KotCzarny> but read whole page first
Nov 06 22:32:52 <KotCzarny> and maybe install backupmenu first
Nov 06 22:33:13 <KotCzarny> if your system isnt fresh, cssu might encounter some pkg collisions
Nov 06 22:58:18 <jonwil> hi
Nov 06 23:13:47 <erlehmann> ~repositories
Nov 06 23:13:47 <infobot> repositories are frequently old.
Nov 06 23:13:55 <erlehmann> ~sources.list
Nov 06 23:13:56 <infobot> If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
Nov 06 23:14:17 <erlehmann> ~muarf
Nov 06 23:14:58 <erlehmann> ~upgrade
Nov 06 23:14:58 <infobot> Upgrading is easy!  Go that way, really fast.  If something gets in your way, turn.
Nov 06 23:15:02 <erlehmann> ~update
Nov 06 23:15:02 <infobot> update is, like, http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/07/11/nokia-n9-software-update-pr1-3/
Nov 06 23:32:54 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Nov 06 23:32:55 <infobot> maemo-repos is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Nov 06 23:33:00 <KotCzarny> erlehmann: ^
Nov 06 23:36:10 <plomlompom> CSSU installation running smoothly :)
Nov 07 01:54:00 <hawaii> Woah.
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