**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 08 02:59:58 2015
Nov 08 06:12:33 <Maxdamantus> http://maxdamantus.eu.org/epa.jpg
Nov 08 06:16:37 <Vajb> how did u made body for those parts? Some sort of epoxy?
Nov 08 06:17:07 <Maxdamantus> Yes, just five-minute epoxy.
Nov 08 06:18:27 <Vajb> were u able to make shape from fresh epoxy or u carved it after it cure?
Nov 08 06:19:15 <Maxdamantus> Fresh, but usually with multiple applications a few minutes apart.
Nov 08 06:19:42 <kerio> wtf is htat
Nov 08 06:19:43 <kerio> that
Nov 08 06:20:04 <Maxdamantus> My modularised earphones.
Nov 08 06:20:06 <Vajb> i see. Should be sturdy and even waterproof.
Nov 08 06:22:32 <Maxdamantus> Unfortunately there are still jacks for water to get into.
Nov 08 06:23:47 <Maxdamantus> In the case of the earpieces though, the crevasses for the jacks are isolated from the ones for the speakers.
Nov 08 06:27:04 <nick20151916> my n900 asks
Nov 08 06:28:09 <nick20151916> my n900 says "insufficient charnign power" on half of laptop usb ports. Is it possible to fix this?
Nov 08 06:28:54 <Maxdamantus> nick20151916: is the laptop on?
Nov 08 06:30:52 <nick20151916> yes
Nov 08 06:31:06 <nick20151916> it is on different PCs
Nov 08 06:32:10 <nick20151916> I believe that it's possible to change n900's requirements to power
Nov 08 06:32:46 <Luke-Jr> offline mode probably will help
Nov 08 06:34:29 <ecc3g> whenever I see "insufficient charging power" the USB port really is too weak...
Nov 08 06:34:54 <nick20151916> btw, my external battery(XP18000) doesn't charge it too
Nov 08 06:35:11 <ecc3g> if I can't get 100mA from the USB port, I don't bother
Nov 08 06:37:32 <nick20151916> so it is obvious that the problem is in n900, not in other devices
Nov 08 06:39:03 <ecc3g> if a regular wall charger can charge it, then it's not a problem with the n900 either...
Nov 08 06:39:20 <Vajb> Maxdamantus: maybe u could put o-rings over plugs. So it would seal when connected.
Nov 08 06:40:04 <Maxdamantus> I suspect it's already pretty much water-resistant when connected.
Nov 08 06:42:24 <nick20151916> ecc3g the problem is that my n900 is the only device that is charging reliably with wall chargers only.
Nov 08 06:43:25 <nick20151916> my 7" tablet never complains about the chargers
Nov 08 07:17:57 <J0hnnyBrav0> Trying to work through well documented issue about failed catalogues. I tried the solutions I found...but seems like the repos are no longer up. Can someone point me to the proper repos please?
Nov 08 07:22:47 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Nov 08 07:22:51 <infobot> well, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Nov 08 07:23:06 <KotCzarny> nick20151916: maybe the cable is bad?
Nov 08 07:27:23 <J0hnnyBrav0> Thank you!
Nov 08 07:49:01 <Vajb> yes cable could be the problem also. I have one powerbank with extendable cable. It doesn't charge n900 at all. Even though it looks like standard cable.
Nov 08 07:59:32 <jonwil> merlin1991: ping
Nov 08 08:19:51 <nick20151916> I used different cables
Nov 08 08:20:46 <nick20151916> the problem have persisted for 5 years so i tried different combinations
Nov 08 08:35:28 <KotCzarny> nick20151916: maybe your n900 is special
Nov 08 08:36:45 <KotCzarny> unless all the devices you've tried are having some incompatibility
Nov 08 09:12:34 <Vajb> is there program for measuring g-forces?
Nov 08 09:12:59 <KotCzarny> i dont think internal sensor is accurate enough
Nov 08 09:13:18 <KotCzarny> if there is one, that is
Nov 08 09:14:48 <Vajb> yes. I heard they were planning to implement racechrono for maemo, but that didn't happen 'cause maemo didn't make it to mainstream.
Nov 08 09:19:01 <Maxdamantus> `ameter` seems to work fine.
Nov 08 09:20:40 <Maxdamantus> The sensor seems accurate enough. It tells me the expected rate of upward acceleration it's feeling as it's sitting on a table (9.81 something m/s^2)
Nov 08 09:20:56 <Maxdamantus> actually, it uses units of "g"
Nov 08 09:24:09 <Maxdamantus> also, I think Nokia themselves made some ball game using the accelerometer.
Nov 08 09:24:35 <bencoh> indeed
Nov 08 09:24:39 <KotCzarny> mine doesnt seem to work then
Nov 08 09:26:59 <Vajb> k will try ameter
Nov 08 09:29:41 <Maxdamantus> ameter seems more natural with the default value for g negated.
Nov 08 09:35:22 <Vajb> at least it stays constant 1g if device is held vertically
Nov 08 09:35:34 <KotCzarny> matrix
Nov 08 09:35:42 <KotCzarny> you are in one
Nov 08 09:35:49 <Vajb> will try how it works in car
Nov 08 09:35:50 <Maxdamantus> Indeed. That's because your hand is accelerating upwards at 1 g.
Nov 08 09:36:31 <Vajb> yeah. Im faster than bruce lee
Nov 08 09:37:54 <Vajb> only thing missing is storing max g values
Nov 08 09:58:18 <brolin_empey> Oksana: Years ago, I bought dedicated Nokia BL-5J/BL-4J battery chargers on eBay.  I do not know if such chargers are still available, though.
Nov 08 09:59:04 <KotCzarny> li-ion is a li-ion
Nov 08 09:59:15 <KotCzarny> if you know the pins
Nov 08 10:01:56 <brolin_empey> I have already replaced my replacement for my Nokia N900, though.  I replaced my Nokia N900 with a Geeksphone Revolution, which I have replaced with a Samsung Galaxy Note 3.
Nov 08 10:06:30 <KotCzarny> nice, atom phone
Nov 08 10:06:42 <kerio> my replacement for the n900 was another n900
Nov 08 10:06:50 <KotCzarny> +1 kerio
Nov 08 10:07:01 <KotCzarny> i already have 2.5 spare n900s
Nov 08 10:07:18 <kerio> i might bite the bullet and switch to android though
Nov 08 10:07:33 <KotCzarny> i've tried android, it was awful
Nov 08 10:08:14 <kerio> yea but it's got specs
Nov 08 10:08:19 <kerio> i like specs
Nov 08 10:08:26 <KotCzarny> and os eats 3/4 of them
Nov 08 10:08:33 <Wizzup> the n900 also has specs
Nov 08 10:08:41 <KotCzarny> and also os eats 3/4 of them
Nov 08 10:08:48 <Wizzup> more than many others
Nov 08 10:08:54 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: :P
Nov 08 10:09:09 <kerio> Wizzup: the n900 has a keyboard
Nov 08 10:09:11 <kerio> a screen
Nov 08 10:09:12 <kerio> and no ram
Nov 08 10:09:27 <KotCzarny> but still, if you start with 1G of ram 1/4 of it is more than 1/4 in n900
Nov 08 10:09:58 <Wizzup> kerio: no ram?
Nov 08 10:11:26 <kerio> Mem:      fuck all        all       none
Nov 08 10:11:35 <kerio> kinda like that
Nov 08 10:13:06 <KotCzarny> if we replace hildon-dekstop with fluxbox we can regain some
Nov 08 10:15:26 <brolin_empey> kerio: I meant replacement in terms of model, not in terms of instances of same model.  My first Nokia N900 was replaced with another Nokia N900 due to broken microUSB connector.
Nov 08 10:16:22 <KotCzarny> i still use my first n900
Nov 08 10:16:27 <KotCzarny> (since 2009)
Nov 08 10:16:35 <kerio> this one has a broken wifi
Nov 08 10:16:39 <kerio> the old one has a broken musb
Nov 08 10:16:41 <kerio> feels bad man
Nov 08 10:16:49 <KotCzarny> it even has the original battery which holds charge for 4-5 days
Nov 08 10:17:57 <KotCzarny> and if one doesnt need modern (bloated) browser it has very good set of features
Nov 08 10:18:07 <KotCzarny> fm transmitter, ir transmitter
Nov 08 10:18:47 <KotCzarny> and of course linux
Nov 08 10:18:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 10:20:13 <kerio> "linux"
Nov 08 10:20:31 <kerio> as it is, we have no way to run a recent enough glibc
Nov 08 10:22:17 <KotCzarny> if what sicelo said is true recent kernel has working cmt-speech
Nov 08 10:23:55 <kerio> also fuck linux
Nov 08 10:23:57 <kerio> it's bad
Nov 08 10:24:03 <kerio> bsd or death
Nov 08 10:24:34 <KotCzarny> sure, whatever
Nov 08 10:24:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 10:26:31 <brolin_empey> Anyway, is there a model of fanless >=80686 notebook computer with a decent/proper integrated display instead of a pathetic TN AMLCD panel like in my Dell Latitude X1?
Nov 08 10:28:37 <kerio> brolin_empey: macbooks have IPS panels
Nov 08 10:28:42 <kerio> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nov 08 10:29:51 <kerio> the 2015 macbooks
Nov 08 10:29:59 <kerio> the ones with less specs than the ipad pro
Nov 08 10:31:19 <kerio> oh hey, the specs are similar to the latitude x1 huehueahueh
Nov 08 10:32:20 <kerio> no but seriously the 2015 macbook is trash
Nov 08 10:35:33 <brolin_empey> kerio: Is the 2015 MacBook proper (not MacBook Pro) fanless?  Reportedly it is but I do not know based on my own experience.  Does it have an integrated numeric keypad (overlaid is OK) and an integrated Ethernet port?
Nov 08 10:35:49 <kerio> yes, no, no
Nov 08 10:35:56 <kerio> it doesn't have ports
Nov 08 10:36:14 <kerio> well idk about the numeric keypad
Nov 08 10:36:30 <kerio> i guess you can just kludge it with a keyboard layout
Nov 08 10:37:07 <kerio> the 2015 macbook has a headphone jack (supports mic, iirc), and a usb C port
Nov 08 10:37:09 <KotCzarny> one can hack ips display into thinkpad x40
Nov 08 10:37:11 <kerio> that's it
Nov 08 10:37:21 <KotCzarny> (which is the last truly fanless machine)
Nov 08 10:37:40 <kerio> KotCzarny: but the macbook is fanless .-.
Nov 08 10:37:50 <KotCzarny> and what can you do with the macbook?
Nov 08 10:38:19 <kerio> run a browser
Nov 08 10:38:31 <KotCzarny> wow
Nov 08 10:38:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 10:39:06 <KotCzarny> can you run realBSD on it?
Nov 08 10:39:18 <kerio> i dunno
Nov 08 10:39:24 <kerio> it likely runs netbsd
Nov 08 10:39:27 <kerio> because, you know, netbsd
Nov 08 10:39:33 <KotCzarny> osx is not realbsd
Nov 08 10:39:58 <kerio> 1.1ghz dual core intel core M with boost up to 2.4
Nov 08 10:40:03 <kerio> except that you will never actually boost to 2.4
Nov 08 10:40:16 <kerio> and, in fact, sustained loads will throttle it down to like 900mhz
Nov 08 10:40:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 10:40:38 <brolin_empey> Can an x86 Mac even directly boot from an HDD/SSD using the MBR/MS-DOS disk label instead of the newfangled GPT?
Nov 08 10:40:55 <KotCzarny> gpt is not bad
Nov 08 10:40:57 <kerio> brolin_empey: i'm actually not sure about the latest versions actually
Nov 08 10:41:00 <KotCzarny> you are thinking of uefi
Nov 08 10:41:06 <kerio> because in theory they dropped w7 support
Nov 08 10:41:14 <kerio> and both 8 and 10 boot via efi
Nov 08 10:41:37 <kerio> xp, vista and 7 used to boot via bios emulation, yes
Nov 08 10:41:52 <kerio> with all that protective mbr crap
Nov 08 10:42:06 <kerio> freebsd can boot via uefi
Nov 08 10:42:22 <KotCzarny> thats assuming uefi bios allows it
Nov 08 10:42:47 <kerio> macs don't have secure boot
Nov 08 10:43:21 <KotCzarny> but they go into that direction too
Nov 08 10:43:32 <KotCzarny> so they probably have it, just not used yet
Nov 08 10:43:32 <kerio> do they?
Nov 08 10:43:42 <kerio> they mostly ignored the efi stuff, actually
Nov 08 10:43:53 <kerio> os x boots without an efi system partition
Nov 08 10:44:01 <kerio> you only need it for firmware upgrades
Nov 08 10:44:27 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: I currently have no need to switch from the IBM Personal Computer-compatible BIOS and MBR/MS-DOS disk label, hence my question.
Nov 08 10:44:47 <kerio> brolin_empey: no good reason to stay on it either, though
Nov 08 10:44:54 <KotCzarny> brolin, i think grub2 can happily boot gpt partitions
Nov 08 10:45:14 <kerio> and yea, you only need a specific partitioning system to boot from a partition
Nov 08 10:45:30 <kerio> but booting from partitions is like not even well supported anymore, anyway
Nov 08 10:45:44 <kerio> grub on debian complains if it's not installed on a disk
Nov 08 10:45:50 <KotCzarny> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2#BIOS_with_GPT
Nov 08 10:45:57 <kerio> indeed
Nov 08 10:46:05 <KotCzarny> as i said, gpt is not evil, uefi is
Nov 08 10:47:57 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: I never said GPT is evil.  I said GPT is newfangled, which it is compared to the 1980s establishment.
Nov 08 10:48:53 <kerio> the future is bootloaderless
Nov 08 10:56:13 <brolin_empey> kerio: Does the 2015 MacBook have internal removable non-volatile memory?
Nov 08 10:56:34 <KotCzarny> it will only reach bootloaderless state when all memory becomes nonvolatile
Nov 08 10:57:01 <KotCzarny> otherwise you will always need some kind of 'load the next stage'
Nov 08 10:57:21 <kerio> brolin_empey: idk if the m2 ssd is removable
Nov 08 10:57:38 <KotCzarny> m2 by definition is socketed
Nov 08 10:57:46 <KotCzarny> otherwise its just pcie
Nov 08 10:57:47 <kerio> hm
Nov 08 10:58:20 <KotCzarny> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2
Nov 08 10:58:51 <kerio> nope, not removable
Nov 08 10:58:55 <KotCzarny> hehe
Nov 08 10:59:03 <kerio> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/bgZDFB3MHBQaSVWC.huge
Nov 08 10:59:06 <kerio> it's the orange
Nov 08 10:59:35 <KotCzarny> but then again, its not m.2
Nov 08 10:59:48 <KotCzarny> just connected to the system bus 
Nov 08 10:59:52 <kerio> in fact, it's custom made
Nov 08 11:00:32 <KotCzarny> Buses exposed through the M.2 connector are PCI Express 3.0, Serial ATA (SATA) 3.0 and USB 3.0
Nov 08 11:02:51 <KotCzarny> Beside socketed modules, the M.2 standard also includes support for permanently soldered single-sided modules.[11]
Nov 08 11:03:04 <KotCzarny> hum
Nov 08 11:03:31 <brolin_empey> I have been screwed too many times by relying on non-volatile memory fixed on a motherboard.  My Dell Latitude X1 boots from a removable 1.8-inch PATA SSD.
Nov 08 11:03:34 <kerio> it's not standard i think
Nov 08 11:03:49 <KotCzarny> kerio, it is
Nov 08 11:03:52 <kerio> brolin_empey: yea but this one is a ssd :3
Nov 08 11:03:56 <kerio> KotCzarny: no, the macbook one
Nov 08 11:04:01 <KotCzarny> ahm
Nov 08 11:04:35 <KotCzarny> brolin, i'm using 1.8" pata-ssd(msata) adapter for my thinkpad x40
Nov 08 11:04:38 <KotCzarny> works like a charm
Nov 08 11:05:00 <KotCzarny> and you can get newer/bigger/cheaper ssds that way
Nov 08 11:05:30 <KotCzarny> pata ssds are overpriced, 1.8" are overpriced^2
Nov 08 11:06:47 <brolin_empey> kerio: As opposed to what?  I said SSD, not HDD.  I bought my Latitude X1 used without neither an HDD nor an SSD.
Nov 08 11:08:48 <kerio> sata is too slow for modern ssds
Nov 08 11:09:08 <KotCzarny> 70MB/s with instant seeks is enough
Nov 08 11:09:19 <KotCzarny> unless you constantly move gigs of data
Nov 08 11:09:23 <kerio> i didn't say sata is too slow for you
Nov 08 11:09:31 <kerio> i said sata is too slow for modern ssds
Nov 08 11:09:33 <KotCzarny> its the iops that matters for daily use
Nov 08 11:09:52 <kerio> yes
Nov 08 11:10:41 <KotCzarny> and mind you, i used to run that x40 from compactflash card
Nov 08 11:10:55 <KotCzarny> (half of the os was in tmpfs, he he)
Nov 08 11:21:47 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: Does your ThinkPad X40 have an IPS panel?
Nov 08 11:22:20 <KotCzarny> i was thinking about it, even got me panel, but never made a cable needed
Nov 08 11:22:21 <Maxdamantus> tmpfs is subject to swapping. Use ramfs.
Nov 08 11:22:50 <KotCzarny> my soldering skills are close to 0
Nov 08 11:23:26 <KotCzarny> and soldering something to flexcable needs a bit of these
Nov 08 11:23:32 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: And is a ThinkPad X40 with IPS panel still obtainable?
Nov 08 11:24:05 <KotCzarny> there were never x40 model with ips panel, but if you find cmpatible and flexcable modded, it just works
Nov 08 11:25:06 <KotCzarny> it doesnt require any electronics, just pin reorder
Nov 08 11:25:46 <KotCzarny> also, mind you, x40 is singlec core pentium-m
Nov 08 11:26:13 <KotCzarny> x60s is obtainable with ips display, but its not as energy efficient as good ol' x40
Nov 08 11:27:25 <KotCzarny> x40 in idle without any fan achieves ~35-40C
Nov 08 11:27:49 <kerio> my mbp reaches 100C with full load on cpu and gpu
Nov 08 11:27:51 <kerio> :\
Nov 08 11:28:17 <KotCzarny> well, with fan on and full load x40 reaches ~60-67C
Nov 08 11:28:21 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: I have not yet looked up the specifications of the ThinkPad X40.  However, my Latitude X1 has a 1.1-GHz Pentium M.
Nov 08 11:28:36 <KotCzarny> x40 has 1.2 or 1.5GHz cpu 
Nov 08 11:29:07 <KotCzarny> x60 can have 1.6-2.2GHz coreduo
Nov 08 11:29:34 <KotCzarny> x60s has 1.83 max i think
Nov 08 11:29:39 <KotCzarny> (low voltage)
Nov 08 11:30:34 <KotCzarny> there were ulv models too
Nov 08 11:33:03 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: If the ThinkPad X40 has a fan, why are we discussing the ThinkPad X40?  A computer with a fan that can be configured to run without using the fan is not the same as a computer without a fan.  The Latitude X1 is literally fanless.
Nov 08 11:33:50 <KotCzarny> brolin, it has a fan, but it can be disabled 
Nov 08 11:33:51 <kerio> i'm confident that my macbook pro would work without fans
Nov 08 11:33:57 <kerio> it would work really badly, but it would work
Nov 08 11:35:54 <KotCzarny> brolin, and as i said, in idle without a fan has <40C, undervolted and throttled to 1.2GHz it can run without fan too
Nov 08 11:36:08 <KotCzarny> which is why 1.1GHz in your latitude can go without
Nov 08 11:36:10 <kerio> yeah but you still have fans
Nov 08 11:36:14 <kerio> they still take up space
Nov 08 11:36:23 <KotCzarny> sure, but they are configurable if you need cpu power
Nov 08 11:36:26 <kerio> they still weigh
Nov 08 11:36:31 <KotCzarny> um
Nov 08 11:36:41 <KotCzarny> you know x40 weighs ~1.5kg?
Nov 08 11:36:50 <KotCzarny> a bit less with ssd ?
Nov 08 11:38:03 <KotCzarny> Minimum: 1.23kg (2.7lb) 
Nov 08 11:40:04 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: How is the fanless configuration achieved?  By configuring only the BIOS or other firmware, or by configuring the OS installation?
Nov 08 11:44:56 <kerio> my mbp weighs 2kg
Nov 08 12:10:56 <KotCzarny> brolin: user space app (and kernel support for thinkpad bios functions)
Nov 08 12:11:14 <KotCzarny> brolin, google thinkpad fan control
Nov 08 12:11:38 <KotCzarny> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed
Nov 08 12:13:53 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: More generally, by configuring the OS installation.
Nov 08 12:17:11 <KotCzarny> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed#Automated_program_-_Simple_ThinkPad_Fan_Control
Nov 08 12:20:58 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: I looked up the specifications of the ThinkPad X40 (https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd012476).  Compared to the Latitude X1, the ThinkPad X40 has fewer columns on the integrated display (1024×768 instead of 1280×768), uses one generation earlier of DRAM (DDR1 SDRAM instead of DDR2 SDRAM), and possibly has a lower maximum amount of main memory.
Nov 08 12:21:18 <KotCzarny> max is 1.5GB
Nov 08 12:21:56 <KotCzarny> but its enough for most things (unless you run gnome/kde behemoths)
Nov 08 12:22:13 <KotCzarny> for single core and quite operation xfce/fluxbox is recommended tho
Nov 08 12:22:19 <KotCzarny> *quiet
Nov 08 12:25:39 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: The Latitude X1 supports up to approximately 2 GiB using a 2-GiB SODIMM but Dell says the maximum for the Latitude X1 is 1.25 GiB (256 MiB fixed on motherboard + 1 GiB on SODIMM) because a 2-GiB SODIMM was not available when the Latitude X1 was developed.
Nov 08 12:26:08 <kerio> how can you use that
Nov 08 12:26:14 <KotCzarny> use what?
Nov 08 12:26:30 <kerio> my irc client is currently using 550mb of ram
Nov 08 12:26:39 <KotCzarny> unless they crippled it in bios/chipset latitude x1 should work with 2GB module
Nov 08 12:27:20 <KotCzarny> kerio, is that systemd-irc ?
Nov 08 12:27:28 <kerio> no
Nov 08 12:27:38 <bencoh> kerio: web irc client?
Nov 08 12:27:39 <kerio> but it's an irc client that uses webkit for rendering
Nov 08 12:27:46 <kerio> and i have huge scrollbacks
Nov 08 12:27:50 <bencoh> bwahaha
Nov 08 12:27:54 <bencoh> (sorry)
Nov 08 12:28:10 <KotCzarny> my irc client uses whatever-the-f*ck-terminal-you-are-using rendering
Nov 08 12:28:30 <KotCzarny> and doesnt rely on big gfx buffers to render things
Nov 08 12:28:38 <kerio> haters gonna hate
Nov 08 12:28:46 <KotCzarny> users gonna use
Nov 08 12:28:55 <bencoh> kerio: seriously, which one is it?
Nov 08 12:29:00 <kerio> textual
Nov 08 12:29:05 <kerio> (ironically enough)
Nov 08 12:29:09 <bencoh> :D
Nov 08 12:29:10 <KotCzarny> he he
Nov 08 12:30:19 <kerio> i mean
Nov 08 12:30:27 <kerio> i *am* keeping 5 days of messages right now
Nov 08 12:30:46 <kerio> 2000 messages
Nov 08 12:31:10 <KotCzarny> sure, 2000*512byte msg len == what, 1MB ?
Nov 08 12:31:17 <kerio> ayy lmao
Nov 08 12:31:41 <KotCzarny> in that case my irc client can store 500 days of messages in 500megs
Nov 08 12:32:33 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: You seem to have incorrectly assumed that I want to run GNU+Linux(+X) on a fanless >=80686 notebook computer.  My Latitude X1 runs Windows 8.1 Enterprise for x86-32 (with hostname “solidarity” because it is a solid-state computer).
Nov 08 12:32:56 <kerio> hold on i just realized that you are talking about 32bit computers
Nov 08 12:32:59 <kerio> fucking disgusting
Nov 08 12:33:05 <KotCzarny> brolin, you didnt mention any os
Nov 08 12:33:09 <bencoh> kerio: wai, what?
Nov 08 12:33:16 <KotCzarny> also, win8, seriously?
Nov 08 12:33:22 <kerio> bencoh: something something aslr
Nov 08 12:33:23 <KotCzarny> its designed for touch screens
Nov 08 12:33:45 <KotCzarny> thinkpads x61 are the ones with 64bit capable cpus
Nov 08 12:34:27 <KotCzarny> also, running windows on anything less than 2GB is a mistake
Nov 08 12:34:51 <kerio> does windows fundamentals have a w7 equivalent?
Nov 08 12:35:27 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: My Latitude X1 has approximately 2 GiB of main memory.
Nov 08 12:38:58 <KotCzarny> still, its a waste imo
Nov 08 12:39:04 <brolin_empey> kerio: My primary (desktop) computer at both ${HOME} and ${WORK} has a Core 2 x86-64 CPU but I do not use long mode because I use an x86-32 OS with PAE.  Also, the Nokia N900 is a 32-bit computer. :-P
Nov 08 12:39:19 <KotCzarny> for old cpus one shall disable as much as you can
Nov 08 12:42:06 <KotCzarny> one useful feature that often comes with -64 is virtualization 
Nov 08 13:46:22 <bencoh> by the way, looks like my headphones (or headphones jack) are dead, not my n900 :)
Nov 08 13:46:35 <KotCzarny> hoo-ray?
Nov 08 13:46:40 <bencoh> yup :)
Nov 08 13:46:49 <bencoh> I really didnt want to mess with it open
Nov 08 13:46:50 <KotCzarny> did you meet someone new too?
Nov 08 13:46:56 <bencoh> nah, I just got home
Nov 08 13:46:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 13:58:10 <vakkov> can someone tell me a command to change the date ... date -s doesnt work
Nov 08 13:58:18 <KotCzarny> ntpdate pool.ntp.org
Nov 08 14:05:17 <vakkov> no, i broke the os :P doesnt matter :D date 110813452015 does it
Nov 08 14:05:23 <vakkov> now i need to synchronise the hwclock :D
Nov 08 14:05:29 <KotCzarny> hwclock -w
Nov 08 14:06:03 <vakkov> (y)
Nov 08 14:07:46 <KotCzarny> but ntpdate is the best as long you have internet connection
Nov 08 14:07:55 <KotCzarny> (or working server on the network)
Nov 08 14:16:57 <ceene> i was wondering
Nov 08 14:17:12 <ceene> is there any app for n900 that does ocr on more or less real time?
Nov 08 14:17:17 <ceene> or even just ocr
Nov 08 14:17:23 <ceene> without any kind of real time :)
Nov 08 14:17:28 <ceene> i mean, handwritten ocr
Nov 08 14:17:33 <KotCzarny> try tesseract from google?
Nov 08 14:17:55 <KotCzarny> or do you mean user entry text?
Nov 08 14:18:03 <ceene> user entry text
Nov 08 14:18:07 <ceene> i want to draw on a note taking app
Nov 08 14:18:14 <ceene> and select a chunk of it and ask it to ocr that
Nov 08 14:18:19 <KotCzarny> dont remember if n8x0 had one
Nov 08 14:18:25 <ceene> so i can take notes with drawings and have the text converted to, well, text
Nov 08 14:18:38 <ceene> i believe there are apps for that for ios and android
Nov 08 14:18:40 <KotCzarny> and actually its not done via ocr but capturing pen moves
Nov 08 14:18:52 <ceene> that'd be cool too
Nov 08 14:19:08 <ceene> i could even go with something like palm's alphabet
Nov 08 14:19:13 <ceene> that was fast
Nov 08 14:19:14 <KotCzarny> i mean, its just gestures, right?
Nov 08 14:19:29 <ceene> yep, in the end it is
Nov 08 14:19:38 <ceene> i used to take notes on my palm tx
Nov 08 14:19:41 <ceene> and it was quite fast
Nov 08 16:42:30 <ceene> graffiti it was called!
Nov 08 18:38:46 <Sicelo> ceene: graffiti looks like handwriting recognition? try cellwriter on N900
Nov 08 18:41:45 <ceene> it isn't on the repos it seems
Nov 08 18:42:07 <ceene> oh, but it's on the garage
Nov 08 18:42:45 <Sicelo> has one annoying bug .. on reboot, loses your learned strokes :(
Nov 08 18:42:49 <Sicelo> maybe you can fix that :)
Nov 08 18:43:09 <KotCzarny> looks like it doesnt save its data/config?
Nov 08 18:43:18 <KotCzarny> maybe tries to write protected dir
Nov 08 18:44:35 <ceene> it's less than 8000 lines of C
Nov 08 18:44:53 <ceene> i'll try it
Nov 08 18:45:00 <ceene> and i don't discard fixing that if it's feasible
Nov 08 18:45:33 <KotCzarny> and you can even make it into systemwide input plugin?
Nov 08 18:45:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 18:46:00 <ceene> that'd require some n900 specific api knowledge
Nov 08 18:46:08 <ceene> so i won't promise anything :P
Nov 08 18:46:32 <KotCzarny> but if you like taking notes or just prefer writing instead of tapping letters..
Nov 08 18:46:34 <Sicelo> it is system-wide already
Nov 08 18:46:41 <KotCzarny> hoo-ray?
Nov 08 18:46:52 <Sicelo> just this non-saving issue
Nov 08 18:47:16 <ceene> gconftool-2 --type string /apps/osso/inputmethod/default-plugins/finger -s him_cellwriter
Nov 08 18:47:19 <ceene> so i do that
Nov 08 18:47:21 <Sicelo> yeah
Nov 08 18:47:21 <ceene> and instead of the virtual keyboard
Nov 08 18:47:27 <ceene> the cell thing will appear so i can write there
Nov 08 18:47:32 <Sicelo> exactly :)
Nov 08 18:47:42 <Sicelo> first time you may need to reboot
Nov 08 18:47:59 <ceene> is there something else i need to run first to configure?
Nov 08 18:48:20 <Sicelo> nothing besides that gconf one-liner
Nov 08 18:50:04 <ceene> rebooting then
Nov 08 18:58:21 <ceene> uhm
Nov 08 18:58:22 <ceene> it works
Nov 08 18:58:25 <Sicelo> looks like there's even a gui for it :)
Nov 08 18:58:27 <Sicelo> http://intranet/Home/MorningWorship?Length=4
Nov 08 18:58:28 <ceene> i didn't expect that
Nov 08 18:58:32 <Sicelo> never seen this before
Nov 08 18:58:39 <Sicelo> yes, haha. it works
Nov 08 18:58:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 18:58:48 <Sicelo> ah.. bad link .. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86640
Nov 08 18:59:04 <KotCzarny> funnily how many things work on n900, isnt it?
Nov 08 18:59:31 <ceene> yep
Nov 08 18:59:40 <ceene> with a little more attention it could have been huge
Nov 08 19:00:09 <ceene> and
Nov 08 19:00:14 <ceene> the thing is that i have to train it
Nov 08 19:00:20 <ceene> and the problem is that it loses the training files?
Nov 08 19:00:45 <Sicelo> yes
Nov 08 19:01:05 <ceene> so it's basically useless right now
Nov 08 19:01:07 <Arch-TK> ceene: what? n900?
Nov 08 19:01:11 <ceene> Arch-TK: yep
Nov 08 19:01:20 <Sicelo> if you don't reboot, it's useful :D
Nov 08 19:01:23 <ceene> i think the saving code is there
Nov 08 19:01:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 19:01:29 <Arch-TK> ceene: I don't know about that, people don't like options, customisation and configurability.
Nov 08 19:01:42 <KotCzarny> people who use n900 do like options
Nov 08 19:01:47 <KotCzarny> and customisation
Nov 08 19:01:53 <Arch-TK> ceene: people like monolithic crap which lets you configure the colour and that's it.
Nov 08 19:01:59 <Arch-TK> That's a minority.
Nov 08 19:02:15 <KotCzarny> people who like monolithic crap buy mainstream phones
Nov 08 19:02:21 <Arch-TK> yes
Nov 08 19:02:23 <KotCzarny> people who use n900 buy it for specific reasons
Nov 08 19:02:23 <ceene> i don't think that's completely true
Nov 08 19:02:29 <ceene> look at the huge number of cyanogen installs
Nov 08 19:02:31 <Arch-TK> that's why n900 wouldn't have been huge ever
Nov 08 19:02:37 <Arch-TK> that's still a minority
Nov 08 19:02:40 <ceene> that's people wanting to do something more than what stock android does
Nov 08 19:03:04 <ceene> you have to admit that the n900 is lacking lots of things
Nov 08 19:03:10 <ceene> people want phones that work
Nov 08 19:03:28 <ceene> and as much as i love my n900 there are things which doesn't does as well as other phones
Nov 08 19:03:30 <KotCzarny> well, my phone works
Nov 08 19:03:33 <ceene> and that's now with cssu
Nov 08 19:03:38 <ceene> imagine back then when it was released
Nov 08 19:03:43 <ceene> that couldn't do portrait mode :)
Nov 08 19:03:52 <KotCzarny> and it had non working player (not up to my expectations) so i wrote myself one
Nov 08 19:04:02 <KotCzarny> so in the end it WORKS as i want
Nov 08 19:04:07 <Arch-TK> I guess the main issue I have with n900 is that all of the browser options I've tried have been rather sub-standard.
Nov 08 19:04:21 <KotCzarny> main problem with the browser is lack of memory
Nov 08 19:04:26 <KotCzarny> no going around that
Nov 08 19:04:28 <ceene> i've resorted to using midori under debian
Nov 08 19:04:37 <KotCzarny> even on desktop 128MB for firefox is under reqs
Nov 08 19:05:26 <KotCzarny> 512MB of RAM
Nov 08 19:05:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 19:05:49 <Arch-TK> n900 users and cyanogen users are a minority (or just users of the lesser known android phones who are also not quite interested in what CM can do.
Nov 08 19:05:53 <KotCzarny> now do you expect 128M of ram to render monstrosities with all features?
Nov 08 19:07:31 <M4rtinK> from me experience one needs about 16 GB of RAM to really use Firefox without issues on desktop :)
Nov 08 19:07:36 <KotCzarny> he he
Nov 08 19:08:15 <KotCzarny> now, even simple webpagees can easily eat memory in a blink
Nov 08 19:08:29 <KotCzarny> 10 full size images and you start swapping like crazy
Nov 08 19:08:59 <Sicelo> Arch-TK: so what is your point?
Nov 08 19:09:11 <KotCzarny> now, fremantle on n9 would be huge
Nov 08 19:09:29 <Arch-TK> My point is that n900 wouldn't have been huge even with more attention.
Nov 08 19:09:36 <KotCzarny> not true
Nov 08 19:09:47 <Arch-TK> It's something I want and many people like me like, but something nobody else wants.
Nov 08 19:09:50 <KotCzarny> in 2009 it had a chance
Nov 08 19:10:03 <kerio> btw , safari sis like the best browser i've ever used
Nov 08 19:10:39 <Arch-TK> It's just the sad truth, the reality.
Nov 08 19:10:46 <kerio> *is
Nov 08 19:10:56 <KotCzarny> now, if you dont need fancy web rendering, its very usable
Nov 08 19:12:10 <Sicelo> ok Arch-TK. gotcha
Nov 08 19:13:19 <KotCzarny> we can easily use linux software, unless we run out of hardware specs
Nov 08 19:14:29 <KotCzarny> that's why i always wanted to slim it down as much as possible
Nov 08 19:39:25 <ceene> what i don't like of cellwriter is that it fills the enter screen
Nov 08 19:39:32 <ceene> i expected it to fill just one arrow of cells
Nov 08 19:39:42 <ceene> so i can see what was written previously
Nov 08 19:39:54 <KotCzarny> you are a coder, you should manage
Nov 08 19:40:03 <ceene> lol
Nov 08 19:40:05 <ceene> yes
Nov 08 19:40:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 19:40:15 <ceene> but i don't always have the time or the interest :P
Nov 08 19:40:24 <KotCzarny> now you have interest :P
Nov 08 19:40:37 <ceene> but the interest has to surpass the lazyness
Nov 08 19:40:44 <KotCzarny> in this case it does
Nov 08 19:40:55 <ceene> lol
Nov 08 19:40:57 <ceene> i don't know
Nov 08 19:41:03 <ceene> although i like very much that it's written on C
Nov 08 19:41:12 <ceene> that scores points in favor of doing something with it
Nov 08 19:41:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 19:41:35 <KotCzarny> i see fellow c lover?
Nov 08 19:41:59 <KotCzarny> c++ is nice but tends to obfuscate too much in the process
Nov 08 19:42:01 <ceene> yes, very much
Nov 08 19:42:16 <ceene> i could survive yappari because, to be honest, it's very well written
Nov 08 19:42:21 <ceene> and it's more qt than c++
Nov 08 19:42:29 <KotCzarny> qt is c++
Nov 08 19:42:35 <ceene> so it's quite constrained to c with classes and little more
Nov 08 19:42:42 <ceene> in theory yes
Nov 08 19:42:54 <ceene> in practice it could have been hell itself
Nov 08 19:42:58 <ceene> but it's something manageable
Nov 08 19:43:02 <KotCzarny> i manage c++ libs by hacking c interfaces into them
Nov 08 19:43:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 19:43:10 <KotCzarny> make libyappari
Nov 08 19:43:43 <ceene> that's something that i really won't do :P
Nov 08 19:43:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 19:43:55 <ceene> i don't even know how to write UIs
Nov 08 19:44:11 <ceene> if it weren't because the interface is already done
Nov 08 19:44:23 <ceene> i wouldn't even know where to start coding one
Nov 08 19:44:34 <KotCzarny> 1/ choose toolkit
Nov 08 19:45:36 <KotCzarny> i wrote complete app in pygtk because i was lazy
Nov 08 19:45:53 <KotCzarny> it started as some proof of concept
Nov 08 19:46:09 <KotCzarny> then.. just happened
Nov 08 19:46:40 <KotCzarny> but its inefficient a bit
Nov 08 19:47:12 <KotCzarny> still, i can close it after setting playlist and core will continue to work, so its passable
Nov 08 19:49:56 <ceene> there's a newer version of cellwriter
Nov 08 19:49:59 <ceene> not for maemo specifically
Nov 08 19:50:08 <ceene> well, there are several versions
Nov 08 19:50:13 <ceene> latest says this:
Nov 08 19:50:26 <ceene> * Possible fix for profile not being saved correctly. Return code was not being correctly checked.
Nov 08 19:50:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 19:50:48 <ceene> i don't like the 'possible'
Nov 08 19:50:56 <ceene> i have several like that on yappari
Nov 08 19:51:02 <ceene> and they always mean "Don't"
Nov 08 19:51:20 <KotCzarny> if it can barf out, it will?
Nov 08 19:51:35 <ceene> i guess
Nov 08 20:03:37 <bencoh> :]
Nov 08 20:16:38 <Sicelo> anyone looked at linkedin API? i'm 'forced' to have to use LinkedIn for something .. but it looks like the API is almost closed. Or am I missing something? Basically I would be happy if someone (myself) could write a working LinkedIn application for N900
Nov 08 20:17:09 <KotCzarny> they have web interface?
Nov 08 20:17:38 <Sicelo> website? of course, but microb can't handle it
Nov 08 20:18:30 <KotCzarny> fennec?
Nov 08 20:18:42 <ceene> midori_
Nov 08 20:18:48 <ceene> ___>???
Nov 08 20:18:53 <ceene> what happened to my keyboard
Nov 08 20:19:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 20:19:14 <ceene> that-s for playing with cellwriter
Nov 08 20:19:53 <ceene> ''??--___
Nov 08 20:19:54 <ceene> done
Nov 08 20:19:55 <ceene> :P
Nov 08 20:19:59 <KotCzarny> :>
Nov 08 20:20:09 <ceene> i think midori from debian is the best browser on maemo right now
Nov 08 20:20:13 <ceene> i won't get tired of advising it
Nov 08 20:20:38 <Sicelo> i'll try it :)
Nov 08 20:24:08 <ceene> by the way, does anybody know a way to sync google contacts, including photo, to anything else, such as owncloud, a carddav server or something more standard?
Nov 08 20:24:24 <ceene> i've found things which doesn't support pictures, which is what I'm most interested in
Nov 08 20:26:18 <bencoh> ceene: "midori from debian"?
Nov 08 20:26:30 <bencoh> straight from squeeze?
Nov 08 20:26:33 <ceene> bencoh: in practice that means installing easy debian
Nov 08 20:26:39 <bencoh> ah
Nov 08 20:26:41 <KotCzarny> :>
Nov 08 20:26:59 <bencoh> I dont really like the easy-debian idea
Nov 08 20:27:06 <ceene> why not?
Nov 08 20:27:17 <bencoh> partly because of the lack of memory
Nov 08 20:27:18 <KotCzarny> a bit of overhead
Nov 08 20:27:42 <ceene> storage is cheap
Nov 08 20:27:45 <ceene> ram is not, of course
Nov 08 20:28:06 <ceene> but if you're only going to run a couple applications
Nov 08 20:28:13 <ceene> you won't notice
Nov 08 20:28:33 <ceene> midori, even having to use debian's libraries and not reusing those from maemo, runs much more faster than any other browser
Nov 08 20:28:44 <ceene> so even if in theory using easy debian is an overhead, it simply works better
Nov 08 20:29:12 <ceene> if i had another n900 i'd consider just running debian on it, with no maemo
Nov 08 20:29:32 <Sicelo> :)
Nov 08 20:29:44 <M4rtinK> ceene: saw a talk from a guy doing just that today on a conference
Nov 08 20:29:48 <Sicelo> it works pretty well
Nov 08 20:29:52 <M4rtinK> ceene: with a vanilla kernel :)
Nov 08 20:29:58 <bencoh> M4rtinK: who?
Nov 08 20:30:15 <M4rtinK> bencoh: Pavel Machek
Nov 08 20:30:30 <Sicelo> N900 kernel guru
Nov 08 20:30:38 <Sicelo> any link available?
Nov 08 20:30:49 <M4rtinK> http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/
Nov 08 20:30:55 <Sicelo> thx
Nov 08 20:31:18 <M4rtinK> talk synopsis: http://openalt.cz/2015/cs/visitor_events.html#event_278 (in Czech though)
Nov 08 20:31:38 <M4rtinK> and IIRC there should be video some time later
Nov 08 20:31:54 <bencoh> "New Mer is "broken beyond repair" for n900.. as it uses qt5" so true :/
Nov 08 20:31:57 <KotCzarny> hmm, pavel machek sounds familiar
Nov 08 20:34:10 <Sicelo> submitted many patches for n900
Nov 08 20:34:44 <Sicelo> i might be mistaken, but i vaguely recall he worked for nokia at some point.
Nov 08 20:35:19 <KotCzarny> https://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/
Nov 08 20:35:31 <KotCzarny> links2 browser
Nov 08 20:35:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 20:40:58 <KotCzarny> ftp://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/pub/local/pmk/qweb/
Nov 08 20:42:04 <KotCzarny> and other stuff 
Nov 08 20:42:11 <KotCzarny> qweb is web browser
Nov 08 20:42:37 <M4rtinK> BTW, looks like I have found his slides from the talk
Nov 08 20:42:39 <KotCzarny> aged now
Nov 08 20:42:48 <M4rtinK> they are in Czech though
Nov 08 20:45:36 <l_bratch> Good evening!  Is there a way to make osso-xterm (or another Maemo terminal) give an alert when receiving a bell?  (like how xterm can set urgent on bell to flash the window on a regular Linux system)
Nov 08 20:46:37 <bencoh> now that's a good question
Nov 08 20:46:58 <bencoh> I doubt it, but I guess you could patch it :)
Nov 08 20:47:23 <Sicelo> what do you need it for? might be easier to patch your application 
Nov 08 20:47:45 <KotCzarny> nope, bell (ctrl-g) is standard
Nov 08 20:47:52 <KotCzarny> and its up to terminal what to do with it
Nov 08 20:48:25 <Sicelo> in short, it is not supported in xterminal
Nov 08 20:48:41 <KotCzarny> is it?
Nov 08 20:48:59 <KotCzarny> last time i checked xterm did the audio bell
Nov 08 20:49:15 <l_bratch> The reason I need it is that I'd like to get irssi alerts to give me a beep and/or an LED flash!  And the reason I'm using irssi rather than XChat is because I can use irssi in a screen session over Mosh so I don't need to worry about roaming between networks...
Nov 08 20:49:16 <Sicelo> N900 xterminal? let's exchange N900s
Nov 08 20:49:44 <KotCzarny> you mean osso-term? :P
Nov 08 20:49:53 <bencoh> I stopped using osso-xterm a really long time ago, I just use xterm
Nov 08 20:50:00 <Sicelo> aha .. l_bratch .. easiest way is use one of the perl scripts. that's why i asked what you want to do with it. adjust the script to play a desired sound
Nov 08 20:50:53 <l_bratch> Sicelo: an irssi perl script?
Nov 08 20:51:15 <Sicelo> yes, from irssi's official repo
Nov 08 20:51:29 <l_bratch> I was thinking about that, but I can't think of a good way to get a remote script (I'm running irssi remotely!) to somehow traverse back through my screen session and trigger a load alert on my N900
Nov 08 20:51:41 <l_bratch> a local alert*
Nov 08 20:51:44 <Sicelo> ah. i get you
Nov 08 20:51:53 <KotCzarny> told you
Nov 08 20:51:58 <KotCzarny> he needs working terminal
Nov 08 20:51:59 <Sicelo> ?
Nov 08 20:51:59 <l_bratch> (hence why I thought utilising terminal bells would be the best answer)
Nov 08 20:52:01 <bencoh> just tried bells in osso-xterm and it just doesnt do anything ... no flash, no sound, no notif ... nothing. you'll have to patch it :)
Nov 08 20:52:14 <l_bratch> OK, I'll look into patching it!
Nov 08 20:52:23 <Sicelo> of course bells don't work. 
Nov 08 20:52:27 <bencoh> l_bratch: vbell is the indeed the right way :)
Nov 08 20:52:43 <l_bratch> does hildon-desktop trigger an alert/beep/etc. on a normal X11 urgent hint?
Nov 08 20:53:06 <bencoh> that's the other thing I was gonna check ;)
Nov 08 20:53:10 <l_bratch> hehe :D
Nov 08 20:53:19 <bencoh> let's try with xterm
Nov 08 20:53:24 <bencoh> (the real one)
Nov 08 20:53:25 <l_bratch> ha, I was just installing xterm!
Nov 08 20:53:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 20:53:43 <KotCzarny> mrxvt? aterm?
Nov 08 20:55:50 <bencoh> l_bratch: nope :(
Nov 08 20:55:57 <l_bratch> damn
Nov 08 20:56:06 <bencoh> let's patch hildon-desktop as well? :D
Nov 08 20:56:23 <KotCzarny> it can just play sound
Nov 08 20:56:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 20:56:28 <bencoh> KotCzarny: ?
Nov 08 20:56:36 <KotCzarny> on bell
Nov 08 20:56:42 <bencoh> who/what?
Nov 08 20:56:46 <KotCzarny> terminal
Nov 08 20:57:39 <bencoh> yeah, but H-D properly handling wm urgency hint would be nice
Nov 08 20:57:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 08 20:59:32 <l_bratch> bah, confirmed locally too: no response to urgency hint
Nov 08 20:59:39 <l_bratch> well, I will try to produce a patch for both things
Nov 08 20:59:53 <Sicelo> ceene: which ED image you use?
Nov 08 21:00:00 * l_bratch better get the Maemo SDK working then
Nov 08 21:00:17 <l_bratch> thanks for the help everyone :)
Nov 08 21:01:29 <bencoh> that reminds me I should probably patch urxvt to not set the urgencyhint when it has focus
Nov 08 21:18:23 <ceene> Sicelo: don't remember...
Nov 08 21:18:24 <ceene> the latest?
Nov 09 00:21:06 <Oksana> jonwil, freemangordon : I am not sure what codelockui is, but it could benefit from ability to accept alternative modes of input (like, hw kb, or something) if it does not yet. Actually, it would be great if all those code-thingies used the same numeric-keypad, and this numeric-keypad could be slowly enhanced to accept hw-kb input, handwriting-input, voice-input, and such, with plugins maybe...
Nov 09 00:21:07 <Oksana> ...(not all users would want bloated keypad)
Nov 09 00:21:33 <jonwil> codelockui is definatly the keypad input
Nov 09 00:21:41 <jonwil> its used for device lock
Nov 09 00:21:45 <jonwil> and sim pin lock
Nov 09 00:27:23 <jonwil> more specifically its used by hildon-control-panel, connui-conndlgs-cellular, libconnui-cellular, osso-applet-devicelock and osso-systemui-devlock
Nov 09 00:32:40 <Oksana> Ah, so it is the numeric-keypad used everywhere! Then seeing this LGPL-software RE-ed would be great indeed.
Nov 09 01:08:57 <jonwil> https://github.com/community-ssu/codelockui is what I have done so far
Nov 09 01:09:11 <jonwil> The missing pieces are things I am unable to reverse engineer and need help with
Nov 09 01:10:31 <jonwil> but yes once freemangordon (or someone else) finishes the missing pieces it will be possible to improve it "
Nov 09 01:10:36 <jonwil> e.g. portrait support
Nov 09 01:10:39 <jonwil> or hw kb input
Nov 09 01:10:44 <jonwil> or etc
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