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Nov 11 07:01:24 <Oksana> Trying to build a binary package on-device is insane, even if it is as simple as maemopad ...
Nov 11 07:01:59 <Oksana> As in, too many build-dependencies
Nov 11 07:35:00 <KotCzarny> yup
Nov 11 07:35:06 <KotCzarny> that's debian for you
Nov 11 08:04:59 * Oksana is still trying to do it
Nov 11 08:05:34 <Oksana> what is dh_clean ? It's not in build-dependencies, or something, because building failed
Nov 11 08:06:04 <KotCzarny> man dh_clean on debian-like system?
Nov 11 08:07:05 <KotCzarny> and i bet its just some script you can copy from lenny 
Nov 11 08:14:32 <Oksanaa> cp: unrecognized option `--remove-destination'
Nov 11 08:14:53 <Oksanaa> What package or config is needed for this?
Nov 11 08:15:24 <Oksanaa> And yes, I am still trying to build maemopad on-device
Nov 11 08:17:15 <Oksanaa> Lag: 92
Nov 11 08:18:37 <KotCzarny> i guess its old sh
Nov 11 08:18:40 <KotCzarny> erm
Nov 11 08:18:43 <KotCzarny> busybox's sh
Nov 11 08:19:00 <Oksanaa> Okay, what's new sh?
Nov 11 08:19:19 <KotCzarny> 1/ install bash3 or bash4
Nov 11 08:19:37 <KotCzarny> 2/ find the script containing --remove-destination and change first line to bash3 or bash4
Nov 11 08:19:51 * Oksanaa tries bash3
Nov 11 08:20:26 <Oksanaa> already installed
Nov 11 08:46:31 <ceene> it's gonna be binutils then
Nov 11 08:46:43 <ceene> coreutils: /bin/cp
Nov 11 08:46:44 <ceene> nop
Nov 11 08:46:45 <ceene> coreutils
Nov 11 09:05:24 <KotCzarny> ceene, you cant easily replace system ones
Nov 11 15:07:29 <sunshavi> Hi guys. any idea where I can get libicd-network-dummy for n800 (os2008)
Nov 11 15:16:29 <klopsi-u3> ~repo
Nov 11 15:16:35 <infobot> The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications
Nov 11 15:16:46 <klopsi-u3> eh wut
Nov 11 15:17:00 <klopsi-u3> sunshavi: sorry i don't know the current location of os2008 repo
Nov 11 15:20:03 <sunshavi> I got a link to gitorious that does not exist
Nov 11 15:27:35 <sunshavi> can I just get the n900 equivalent and compile it. The worst that would happen is it not working
Nov 11 15:39:31 <klopsi-u3> dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot  :)
Nov 11 15:42:27 <sunshavi> klopsi-u3: thoes links are broken on my side. Those links work for You?
Nov 11 15:44:50 <klopsi-u3> the links from infobot are not maemo os2008
Nov 11 15:45:42 <sunshavi> Right. But are wroken or do they work on git?
Nov 11 15:46:11 <klopsi-u3> the link doesn't work for me
Nov 11 15:51:42 <krnlyng> hi, i have installed community ssu testing to install a newer version of gcc, but apt-cache does not find any new packages, what do i have to do?
Nov 11 16:04:16 <sunshavi> the only place where I got running a new compiler (for n800) was on scratchbox2 aka sb2. No idea if that is possible for n900. Or if the CSSU let's You do that.
Nov 11 16:22:46 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Nov 11 16:22:46 <infobot> maemo-repos is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Nov 11 16:29:34 <klopsi-u3> sunshavi: ^
Nov 11 16:33:42 <sunshavi> thanks klopsi that's the one that is enabled on this device, ircing from it now
Nov 11 20:43:04 <Oksanaa> Is there a way to auto-write-down musical notes by having software listen to musical file (such as, flac)?
Nov 11 20:43:49 <Oksanaa> Or is asking the author for notes easier?
Nov 11 20:44:42 <klopsi-u3>  Oksanaa i started researching that in 1991, not an easy problem to solve
Nov 11 20:45:13 <klopsi-u3>  A trained ear can pick-out the notes from a complex piece, but no software i know of can
Nov 11 20:45:56 <klopsi-u3>  unless you are talking about a flac file with just one instrument playing
Nov 11 20:56:22 <KotCzarny> well, fft peaks will show the notes
Nov 11 20:56:37 <KotCzarny> so its just as easy as writing peak hunter
Nov 11 20:57:01 <KotCzarny> and usually you look for specific hz range, so that makes it easier
Nov 11 20:58:51 <klopsi-u3>  fft peaks will show you notes and overtones, and peaks caused by overlapping sounds
Nov 11 20:59:50 <KotCzarny> sure, but its up to you to choose which are notes and which are overtones
Nov 11 21:00:22 <KotCzarny> if you train on some specific instrument you can look for sets of peaks
Nov 11 21:04:03 <klopsi-u3>  i don't think you will find software that can make a transcript of complex recorded music
Nov 11 21:06:29 <Oksana> Music played by one musician cannot be _that_ complex, right? Even if he uses electronic music?..
Nov 11 21:06:43 <bencoh> actually it can be quite "complex"
Nov 11 21:07:20 <bencoh> complex enough to translate it back to notes/chords on a sheet, at least
Nov 11 21:07:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 11 21:07:46 <bencoh> it's a bit like RE/disassembling :)
Nov 11 21:07:47 <KotCzarny> still, doable if you have at least a bit of musical talent
Nov 11 21:08:01 <KotCzarny> and software can help
Nov 11 21:08:14 <bencoh> KotCzarny: I think it takes a lot more than just "a bit of musical talent"
Nov 11 21:08:15 <Oksana> Alright, with electronic music he is not exactly confined to one instrument at a time... Actually, I will just ask him. I hope he would be interested in somebody trying to put text to his text-less music
Nov 11 21:09:14 <Oksana> On the note, would anybody be interested in extending media player subtitles plugin to display subtitles for music (not only video) ?
Nov 11 21:09:54 <KotCzarny> well
Nov 11 21:09:55 <klopsi-u3> not me
Nov 11 21:09:57 <Oksana> Because I do not see other way to display lyrics for songs?
Nov 11 21:10:05 <KotCzarny> midi format already has ability to synch text to music
Nov 11 21:10:11 <Sicelo> there are lyrics in OMP
Nov 11 21:10:19 <Oksana> How to see them?
Nov 11 21:10:23 <bencoh> err ... do you think the gstreamer subtitles plugin works well enough as it is?
Nov 11 21:10:24 <KotCzarny> and any competent midi player would be able to do it
Nov 11 21:10:26 <bencoh> it's slow as hell :/
Nov 11 21:10:38 <bencoh> (at least for libASS subtitles)
Nov 11 21:10:46 <Sicelo> Oksana: how to see them? enable the function :)
Nov 11 21:10:58 <bencoh> I get framedrop when trying to use it
Nov 11 21:11:08 <KotCzarny> most musicians make music using midi
Nov 11 21:11:21 <bencoh> KotCzarny: ermm ....
Nov 11 21:11:24 <KotCzarny> at least that was the case some time ago
Nov 11 21:11:49 * Sicelo loves MIDI .. from the days of polyphonic tones :)
Nov 11 21:11:51 <KotCzarny> because midi is not just plinking, its also about synchronizing events
Nov 11 21:11:51 <bencoh> some musicians still play on organic instruments, you know ? :D
Nov 11 21:12:46 <KotCzarny> hmm, maybe i shall add text events to midi files too
Nov 11 21:12:59 <Oksana> Yes, I know. But they do not often record their music ;-/ I do attend local ensemble concerts sometimes, but they would benefit from recording and releasing the pieces, I think
Nov 11 21:13:04 <KotCzarny> (though i think i did it already, just not showing)
Nov 11 21:13:22 <KotCzarny> oksana, so its not original music just some dj mixing things?
Nov 11 21:13:55 <bencoh> "dj" ...
Nov 11 21:14:20 <ecc3g> \
Nov 11 21:14:42 <KotCzarny> do they use instruments at all?
Nov 11 21:14:49 <KotCzarny> if yes, put camera nearby ;)
Nov 11 21:17:26 <Oksana> The one local I am visiting is real-music, aka piano, violin, flute, and some other instruments
Nov 11 21:17:39 <KotCzarny> or mic, that way you will grab the important fft peaks easier
Nov 11 21:18:39 <klopsi-u3> look at a fft of complex music more closely KotCzarny 
Nov 11 21:18:41 <klopsi-u3> it's a mess
Nov 11 21:19:39 <KotCzarny> klopsi, one instrument uses only SOME of it, and at fixed places
Nov 11 21:19:41 <Oksana> The local often plays "well-known" music, such as Mozart, so finding notes for it should be easy. But the flac I am listening to is not-local-DJ, and I do not think he has published his notes
Nov 11 21:20:43 <KotCzarny> oksana, use any audio editor that can show you the fft, then estimate how clearly you can see instruments that interest you
Nov 11 21:21:13 <KotCzarny> best parts are when there is no noise/arrangements in the bg and only interesting instrument is playing (ie. solo)
Nov 11 21:21:53 <bencoh> KotCzarny: have you ever tried that?
Nov 11 21:22:40 <KotCzarny> yes
Nov 11 21:22:54 <KotCzarny> i've seen many ffts
Nov 11 21:23:13 <KotCzarny> and there is a good chance to see notes clearly 
Nov 11 21:25:50 <klopsi-u3> btw back around 1993 there was a program that let you make a soundfile out of an image, treating the image as a fft
Nov 11 21:26:14 <klopsi-u3> aphex twin put his face into one of his songs
Nov 11 21:38:10 <KotCzarny> aphex style allowed such thing
Nov 11 21:38:18 <KotCzarny> try that with the pop music
Nov 11 21:38:40 <klopsi-u3> hehe
Nov 11 22:30:56 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: check out what Steinberg offers
Nov 11 22:52:49 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: http://www.celemony.com/en/service1/about-celemony/technologies?checkLang=1
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