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Nov 15 08:25:03 <KotCzarny> hrm
Nov 15 08:25:11 <KotCzarny> my n900 hung during the night charge
Nov 15 08:25:22 <KotCzarny> green light, but not reacting to power button
Nov 15 08:26:09 <KotCzarny> oh, finally, after some time it reacted
Nov 15 09:01:47 <donatello_> whats the most embarassing thing that ever happened to your n900?
Nov 15 09:01:58 <donatello_> i dropped mine in the toilet bowl while having an explosive shit
Nov 15 11:04:07 <ceene> so it seems WA lifts bans on numbers after ~60 days, i.e. 2 months
Nov 15 11:04:48 <KotCzarny> so 60 accounts should get you through the devving
Nov 15 11:05:43 <ceene> lol
Nov 15 11:06:03 <ceene> assuming i only fuck it up once a day
Nov 15 11:54:27 <donatello_> hey, i just installed x11vnc on my n900 
Nov 15 11:54:45 <donatello_> accessing it from my laptop with viewer client
Nov 15 11:55:52 <donatello_> one question comes to mind, is it somehow possible to use the remote desktop application while the device screen is in a locked state (the physical "lever" on the side of n900 having been used to lock the device and shut down the screen)
Nov 15 11:59:23 <ceene> i haven't been able
Nov 15 11:59:44 <ceene> in fact, after a while without use, the screen goes off and so does the remote viewer
Nov 15 12:00:17 <ceene> there's a dbus call to unlock and power on the screen, but that's not ideal as the screen is on and wasting power
Nov 15 12:00:41 <Oksanaa> ceene: Thank you! /trying it out now/ donatello_ : making my n900 (with broken microusb) unable to boot, by filling up rootfs insanely, by trying to use it for on-device development 
Nov 15 12:02:10 * Oksanaa waves in welcome
Nov 15 12:02:57 <ceene> :)
Nov 15 12:04:53 <donatello_> well, that's a shame
Nov 15 12:05:15 <donatello_> anyway, is it normal that mplayer crashes every time i try to use it to play a mp3 file
Nov 15 12:05:22 <Oksanaa> No!
Nov 15 12:05:39 <donatello_> i always get "MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module"
Nov 15 12:05:50 <KotCzarny> what repo is this mplayer from?
Nov 15 12:06:35 <Oksanaa> well, not for default media player at least. I do not use alternative media players much; default works, for mp3, ogg, flac, mod...
Nov 15 12:08:09 <Oksanaa> Which module, by the way?
Nov 15 12:08:43 <KotCzarny> oksanaa, it has nothing to do with .mod files
Nov 15 12:08:50 <KotCzarny> just an error message 
Nov 15 12:08:58 <donatello_> KotCzarny: extras
Nov 15 12:09:50 <donatello_> well, i use my n900 as a music player for my stereos
Nov 15 12:10:06 <KotCzarny> donatello, wanna try something nice?
Nov 15 12:10:11 <donatello_> i'd like to be able to control the functions through ssh
Nov 15 12:10:14 <KotCzarny> ~oscp
Nov 15 12:10:14 <infobot> oscp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
Nov 15 12:10:20 <Oksanaa> I mean, if I google text of error, I get decode_video, demux_open, key_events, or whatever... I am taking a guess that module is important
Nov 15 12:10:37 <KotCzarny> you would like it, and it has remote controls
Nov 15 12:10:53 <KotCzarny> (and can be run with ncurses interface too)
Nov 15 12:11:18 <donatello_> KotCzarny: thanks, i'll sure check that out
Nov 15 12:13:09 <donatello_> installing atm
Nov 15 12:13:40 <KotCzarny> be sure to greb one from  extras-devel, its much newer
Nov 15 12:13:55 <KotCzarny> *grab
Nov 15 12:15:56 <donatello_> yep
Nov 15 12:18:20 <donatello_> KotCzarny: its great, i'm using it right now, digging the interface
Nov 15 12:18:33 <ceene> KotCzarny: you should upload it to github or whatever
Nov 15 12:18:55 <KotCzarny> you can use both ncurses interface and remote interface at the same time
Nov 15 12:19:27 <KotCzarny> ie. if you have 2 n900, you can leave one by stereo and control from another n900 (or laptop/pc)
Nov 15 12:19:55 <KotCzarny> ceene: getting there, still have to make proper building/configuration system
Nov 15 12:20:11 <ceene> no you don't :P
Nov 15 12:20:15 <ceene> you first upload it
Nov 15 12:20:39 <KotCzarny> donatello, if you find any issues/have any feature requests, be sure to post to the talk.maemo page above
Nov 15 12:20:48 <ceene> and maybe someone makes the build system for you
Nov 15 12:21:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 15 12:23:44 <KotCzarny> ceene, what i would like is having native windows gui(remote)
Nov 15 12:23:50 <KotCzarny> pygtk instalation is a cow
Nov 15 12:23:55 <KotCzarny> big cow
Nov 15 12:26:11 <ceene> i can't help you there
Nov 15 12:26:52 <ceene> i couldn't write a gui even if my life depended on it
Nov 15 12:26:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 15 12:27:33 <ceene> some visual basic stuff or whatever they use now should be pretty easy, nonetheless
Nov 15 12:27:49 <ceene> or some java thing
Nov 15 12:27:51 <KotCzarny> assuming one owns vb/vc suite
Nov 15 12:27:59 <ceene> not that i like java
Nov 15 12:28:14 <KotCzarny> java is a cow too (though would have a bonus of working almost everywhere)
Nov 15 12:28:31 <ceene> i think visual studio is now free under certain circumtances?
Nov 15 12:28:48 <ceene> oe some lite version of it
Nov 15 12:29:11 <ceene> and pyqt? is it lighter?
Nov 15 12:29:26 <KotCzarny> unlikely
Nov 15 12:29:49 <KotCzarny> also, i have shivers at the thought of writing qt/c++ code
Nov 15 12:31:15 <donatello_> KotCzarny: i havent figured out how to turn up volume xP
Nov 15 12:31:28 <donatello_> + button on kbd doesnt seem to do anything
Nov 15 12:31:32 <KotCzarny> donatello, keys are configurable
Nov 15 12:32:02 <KotCzarny> also, it uses software volume, so click on the traybar near the clock and set volume there
Nov 15 12:32:27 <KotCzarny> let me check ncurses volume keys
Nov 15 12:32:42 * Oksanaa has written in HTML, XUL, JS, CSS, C++Qt, Qt-QML, GTK+C, some-small-python... GTK+C is the best
Nov 15 12:33:22 <KotCzarny> volume keys are set to -/=
Nov 15 12:33:37 <KotCzarny> but you can change them in ~/.oscp.conf
Nov 15 12:34:14 <donatello_> oh yeah found it
Nov 15 17:55:59 <someuser> hello, is it possible to ask someone to delete my maemo.org profile? i don't have access to the garage.maemo.org account anymore because I deleted it a while ago, but my profile still shows up on maemo.org/profile/view/...
Nov 15 17:58:11 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys staff
Nov 15 17:58:15 <infobot> Factoid search of 'staff' by key (7): weathercode longstaff blf ;; staff smite ;; cmd: staff (.*?) ;; weathercode longstaff bluff ;; mash_staff ;; ~staff #DEL# ;; weathercode flagstaff.
Nov 15 17:58:24 <KotCzarny> hmm
Nov 15 18:01:50 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys web
Nov 15 18:01:51 <infobot> Factoid search of 'web' by key (14 of 194): acc'd to the website, ibot's 'console' ;; cpanels web site ;; crl webcam ;; damn, apple's german webshop ;; open webmail ;; simple web server ;; snoweb ;; so its using viewml for web? do you know if anyone ;; web ;; web e-mail ;; web site ;; webaccountant ;; webalbum ;; webapp-reverse-proxy.
Nov 15 18:02:13 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys #maemo web
Nov 15 18:02:14 <infobot> Factoid search of '#maemo web' by key returned no results.
Nov 15 18:03:40 <someuser> i've tried emailing them but no reply
Nov 15 18:09:47 <KotCzarny> keep in mind maemo is nonprofit i guess
Nov 15 20:33:04 <MonkeyofDoom> is there a way to stop headphone unplug events from reaching whichever daemon listens for those?
Nov 15 20:33:26 <KotCzarny> use jack adapter?
Nov 15 20:34:50 <MonkeyofDoom> ?
Nov 15 20:35:01 <KotCzarny> 4 pin into 3 pin
Nov 15 20:35:28 <MonkeyofDoom> my headphone jack is flaky, so afaik that wouldn't help
Nov 15 20:35:42 <MonkeyofDoom> I was hoping to tell the software to just try its hardest to keep playing on headphones
Nov 15 20:35:46 <KotCzarny> glue it?
Nov 15 20:35:50 <KotCzarny> fix it?
Nov 15 20:36:21 <MonkeyofDoom> that would be ideal, yeah
Nov 15 20:36:33 <MonkeyofDoom> but opening my n900 and mucking around is a little higher-stakes than poking at software... they're not exactly easy to come by in case I ruin something
Nov 15 20:37:17 <KotCzarny> depends on region, quite a lot of them going second hand here
Nov 15 20:37:25 <bencoh> I'd try dbus-monitor (or mdbus2? I never remember those)
Nov 15 20:37:35 <bencoh> to trace the dbus event
Nov 15 20:38:11 <KotCzarny> there is also /sys/ entry but i dont know if anything writes to it or is just gpio from the kernel
Nov 15 20:38:35 <MonkeyofDoom> dbus-monitor shows volume changes on plug/unplug but that's it
Nov 15 20:38:58 <MonkeyofDoom> tbh I wouldn't mind too much except there's some race condition that copies headphones volume to speaker volume or vice-versa
Nov 15 20:39:26 <KotCzarny> its more than that, it also reroutes audio
Nov 15 20:39:35 <KotCzarny> most of it happens in pulseaudio
Nov 15 20:39:41 <MonkeyofDoom> rerouting audio is expected
Nov 15 21:03:57 <klopsi>  amazing number of chatters still here :)
Nov 15 21:04:23 <klopsi> What is a youtube player for maemo that still works?
Nov 15 21:04:30 <KotCzarny> cutetube2
Nov 15 21:05:32 <klopsi> my repo only has cutetube
Nov 15 21:06:02 <klopsi> am i missing a repo or is that hosted outside of repos?
Nov 15 21:06:56 <klopsi> ah i am missing devel
Nov 15 21:08:28 <KotCzarny> sad state of repos
Nov 15 21:08:46 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1488237&postcount=48
Nov 15 21:09:04 <KotCzarny> interesting summary of 'what's wrong with jolla/harmattan'
Nov 15 21:10:01 <klopsi> can you please trigger the bot to show repo list? 
Nov 15 21:10:53 <bencoh> cutetube2 should probably go in -testing (at least)
Nov 15 21:11:18 <bencoh> I wonder what marxian thinks about that
Nov 15 21:11:22 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Nov 15 21:11:23 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Nov 15 21:11:33 <klopsi> ty
Nov 15 21:12:38 <KotCzarny> no cutetube2 in -testing
Nov 15 21:13:01 <KotCzarny> i guess he gave up even before rewrite
Nov 15 21:14:27 <bencoh> KotCzarny: I know it's not their, I'm just saying it should be
Nov 15 21:15:52 <bencoh> as a maintainer you can "promote" a package to -testing
Nov 15 21:16:13 <KotCzarny> s/their/there/
Nov 15 21:16:44 <KotCzarny> yes, i know you can promote, but -testing wasnt meant for end-users either
Nov 15 21:17:02 <KotCzarny> -devel for devs, -testing for testers
Nov 15 21:17:30 <bencoh> sure, still that'd be better than -devel =)
Nov 15 21:17:35 <KotCzarny> nooope
Nov 15 21:18:03 <bencoh> ... I think we're running in circle
Nov 15 21:18:14 <KotCzarny> it could be just 2 repos
Nov 15 21:18:31 <KotCzarny> extras and -testing (or -devel, depending which name you like more)
Nov 15 21:18:42 <KotCzarny> one for users and one for testers/devs
Nov 15 21:19:02 <M4rtinK> KotCzarny: wow, I'm getting kinda worried about Pichlos sanity
Nov 15 21:19:12 <bencoh> no, -testing and -devel do not fill the same need
Nov 15 21:19:17 <M4rtinK> KotCzarny: that post is not making sense
Nov 15 21:19:58 <KotCzarny> M4rtinK: not at all? (i havent touched n9/jolla dev because i dont have them)
Nov 15 21:20:27 <bencoh> "Lastly, QML is a resource hog" that's true
Nov 15 21:21:35 <KotCzarny> bencoh: think about it this way: dev does code on his machine, builds package, tests it on his device (without going through repos). if he/she is satisfied, he uploads it for testing/promotion
Nov 15 21:21:52 <KotCzarny> so what is the point of -devel ?
Nov 15 21:22:06 <MonkeyofDoom> tbh I never understood why Maemo has both GTK+ and Qt in the base--using one toolkit for everything would have been lighter on RAM and mmc usage
Nov 15 21:22:20 <M4rtinK> historical reasons
Nov 15 21:22:27 <KotCzarny> MonkeyofDoom: n9 has no gtk (at least officially)
Nov 15 21:22:33 <MonkeyofDoom> hm
Nov 15 21:22:39 <KotCzarny> but people wanted apps to run, so they ported it to it
Nov 15 21:22:46 <MonkeyofDoom> fair, I guess
Nov 15 21:22:47 <M4rtinK> I mamanged to build GTK for the N9 back then ;-)
Nov 15 21:22:58 <KotCzarny> and similar for n900, it had gtk, qt came later
Nov 15 21:23:27 <M4rtinK> IIRC Nokia contributed to GTK/Gnome/Clutter quite a lot
Nov 15 21:23:40 <M4rtinK> but then they bought Qt and switched to it instead
Nov 15 21:23:59 <M4rtinK> at first to mobile styled QWidgets
Nov 15 21:24:00 <bencoh> KotCzarny: problem is, dev (sometimes) tests through -devel
Nov 15 21:24:07 <klopsi> i dont see how to paste a youtube url into cutetube2 - is that possible?
Nov 15 21:24:09 <M4rtinK> then to QML once it came in Qt 4.7
Nov 15 21:24:38 <bencoh> klopsi: yeah, with some dbus-fu
Nov 15 21:24:39 <M4rtinK> bencoh: well, sometimes you don't have a choice other than the autobuilder for packaging
Nov 15 21:24:50 <bencoh> M4rtinK: exactly :)
Nov 15 21:24:56 <M4rtinK> working Maemo 5 SDK is hard to come by these days
Nov 15 21:25:04 <KotCzarny> bencoh; key word 'sometimes'
Nov 15 21:25:05 <bencoh> and sometimes you just want to test everything, from packaging to deps
Nov 15 21:25:27 <KotCzarny> but still, -testing is for testers, not endusers
Nov 15 21:25:38 <KotCzarny> so people should run with -testing enabled all the time
Nov 15 21:25:48 <KotCzarny> s/should/shouldnt/
Nov 15 21:25:48 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: so people shouldnt run with -testing enabled all the time
Nov 15 21:25:55 <bencoh> I didnt say they should
Nov 15 21:26:14 <bencoh> I only said cutetube2 should probably go at leastthere
Nov 15 21:26:18 <bencoh> 23:10 < bencoh> cutetube2 should probably go in -testing (at least)
Nov 15 21:26:44 <KotCzarny> klopsi: vajb tried cutetube2 integration, and someone else, dont remember bencoh or sicelo
Nov 15 21:26:50 <KotCzarny> anyway, nite nite
Nov 15 21:27:39 <klopsi> ah pasting links into cutetube2 search works
Nov 15 21:28:01 <klopsi> great program! it lets me choose resolution/quality
Nov 15 21:28:22 <bencoh> klopsi: really ?
Nov 15 21:28:54 <klopsi> worked for me
Nov 15 21:29:02 <bencoh> KotCzarny: unfortunately it wasn't logged by infobot so I'll have to grab n900 to look for the dbus thing :)
Nov 15 21:45:50 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: hmm?
Nov 15 21:46:56 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry I'm missing some context, due to some /ignore
Nov 15 21:47:34 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: but chanlogs are on http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog , see /topic
Nov 15 21:53:47 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it's just that the ones from infobot.rikers are google-indexed :)
Nov 15 21:54:25 <DocScrutinizer05> hm, that's weird
Nov 15 21:55:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I should ask TimRiker what's the deal with his robots.txt
Nov 15 21:55:18 <bencoh> the search box on mg.pov.it is a pain
Nov 15 21:55:37 <bencoh> 0 matches in 3297 log files with 5557701 lines (66.4 seconds).
Nov 15 21:55:59 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed, I asked the maintainer to augment it to narrow search with a start and end date
Nov 15 21:56:00 <bencoh> google is a tiny bit quicker (and usually gives an answer ;)
Nov 16 02:35:10 <Anasko> Maemo 5 repositories have fltk 1.3.2, would porting rendera (dependent on fltk 1.3.3 ) be possible? https://github.com/Mortis69/rendera
Nov 16 02:47:14 <Anasko> http://rendera.sourceforge.net/ ^
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