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Nov 29 06:46:26 * jonwil is depressed because of the problems with his beloved N900 :(
Nov 29 08:01:18 <Luke-Jr> jonwil: I do have an extra N900 that I may be willing to part with as soon as I get a Pyra.
Nov 29 08:01:30 <jonwil> Pyra is?
Nov 29 08:01:52 <jonwil> I am not yet convinced my phone is beyond hope of recovery
Nov 29 08:04:07 <Luke-Jr> jonwil: Pyra is clamshell OMAP 5 w/ 2 GB RAM, 4G, etc http://www.pyra-handheld.com/
Nov 29 08:05:31 <jonwil> neat
Nov 29 08:47:05 <jonwil> At least I have basically all the stuff I needed to restore after my reflash earlier back where I need it
Nov 29 08:57:02 <Maxdamantus> jonwil: if you're always getting into the act-dead state, maybe simply removing the special behaviour for that condition in the relevant init script could help?
Nov 29 08:57:50 <jonwil> I dont think its even getting to act-dead state, its nolo going into nolo-emergency-charge state
Nov 29 08:58:01 <jonwil> which is what it normally does first thing it powers up with a cable connected
Nov 29 08:58:07 * Maxdamantus disabled that check on his phone, because it was also the part that decided to shut the phone down again if the poweron wasn't due to pressing the power button or something.
Nov 29 08:58:17 <Maxdamantus> Ah.
Nov 29 09:00:02 <jonwil> Right now I am running another "lets empty the phone battery" learn pass because I think bq27200 chip may still not have proper rated capacity of battery
Nov 29 09:01:02 <jonwil> So once this thing drains to empty I will know for sure if 1446mAh is actually the maximum capacity of the battery or not
Nov 29 09:05:04 <kerio> oh, i should do a calibration run myself
Nov 29 09:12:36 * jonwil found a nice solitare game for the N900 :)
Nov 29 09:20:28 <bencoh> jonwil: does it work now?
Nov 29 09:23:56 <jonwil> what is it with the general instability of freenode as of late...
Nov 29 09:24:30 <sixwheeledbeast> hmm I agree, prolly some DoS attack
Nov 29 09:28:22 <sixwheeledbeast> jonwil: have you solved your N900 mystery?
Nov 29 09:28:41 <jonwil> nope, its still acting weird unfortunately :*
Nov 29 09:28:43 <jonwil> :(
Nov 29 09:29:21 <bencoh> :/
Nov 29 09:29:55 <sixwheeledbeast> It did originally sound like a faulty battery but as you say that flag doesn't seem right.
Nov 29 09:31:52 <jonwil> Anyhow, right now I am going to let this battery drain to auto-power-off then see what happens when I plug it in
Nov 29 09:34:10 <jonwil> see what bq27200.sh then thinks the capacity is
Nov 29 09:35:18 <bencoh> you dont run stock bme, do you?
Nov 29 09:35:39 <jonwil> I do, why?
Nov 29 09:35:53 <jonwil> stock bme, stock kernel
Nov 29 09:36:01 <jonwil> stock nolo obviously
Nov 29 09:36:34 <sixwheeledbeast> my /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger certainly works as expected 1 for charger connected.
Nov 29 09:36:48 <jonwil> and 0 for disconnected charger?
Nov 29 09:36:49 <bencoh> you'll probably have to turn it off if you want to go through a full discharge/calib cycle
Nov 29 09:42:43 <jonwil> Essentially the main wtf with this problem is the way nolo starts up, sees that part of the circuitry says "hey, charger connected" and starts in nolo-special-charging-mode before seeing from another part of the circuitry "hey, no juice is comming from the USB port" and shutting down
Nov 29 09:42:44 <sixwheeledbeast> jonwil: yes 0 for disconnected
Nov 29 09:44:26 <bencoh> jonwil: everything "works" if you plug usb in?
Nov 29 09:45:01 <jonwil> If I plug in USB or charger, the phone goes into nolo-special-charging-mode which then says "hey, enough charge in the battery to boot kernel"
Nov 29 09:45:07 <jonwil> and that then boots into actdead
Nov 29 09:45:18 <jonwil> and of course from there if I press power it goes into full boot
Nov 29 09:45:56 <bencoh> and what if you remove usb once booted?
Nov 29 09:46:23 <jonwil> If I remove usb, charging light stays going (full green or flashing orange as appropriate)
Nov 29 09:46:45 <bencoh> and /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger shows 1?
Nov 29 09:46:47 <jonwil> yes
Nov 29 09:46:49 <jonwil> it does show 1
Nov 29 09:46:56 <bencoh> hmmm
Nov 29 09:50:57 <sixwheeledbeast> how about /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode ?
Nov 29 09:51:53 <jonwil> right now it shows b_idle because its not connected to anything and charger is somehow at 0
Nov 29 09:52:11 <jonwil> but when its in the bogus "thinks its charging but isn't" mode I dont know
Nov 29 09:52:21 <sixwheeledbeast> should be idle on charger and peripheral on USB
Nov 29 09:53:54 <jonwil> so b_idle is correct for "nothing plugged in"?
Nov 29 09:55:46 <jonwil> oh and how do I disable BME if I wanted to do that (for my discharge/calib cycle)
Nov 29 09:55:58 <jonwil> right now I have VDQ at 1
Nov 29 09:56:05 <jonwil> so its properly learning
Nov 29 09:57:49 <bencoh> as simple as "stop bme" afair
Nov 29 09:59:17 <sixwheeledbeast> jonwil: yes idle on both charger and nothing here
Nov 29 10:04:11 <jonwil> as long as I dont go anywhere where I need to power my phone off and then turn it back on later (and where I wont have power available to turn it back on) for the short term at least it does work.
Nov 29 10:04:54 <jonwil> The bad thing is that I will be flying on an airplane in a few weeks
Nov 29 10:05:39 <jonwil> and airplanes are one of those few places where you actually need to turn the phone off rather than just having it on silent/non-distracting (like you would at, say, a movie theater)
Nov 29 10:06:36 <sixwheeledbeast> airplane mode?
Nov 29 10:07:09 <jonwil> not sure airplane mode is allowed during takeoff and landing
Nov 29 10:08:06 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't see why not, that's the point of it surely. I was under the impression it's best to have your device on.
Nov 29 10:08:27 <jonwil> anyhow its not for weeks yet, anything can happen
Nov 29 10:08:29 <jonwil> maybe I fix my phone
Nov 29 10:08:34 <jonwil> maybe I get a new N900 somehow
Nov 29 10:08:58 <sixwheeledbeast> This is so airport don't thing you are using it to smuggle something nasty on.
Nov 29 10:09:06 <sixwheeledbeast> s/thing/think/
Nov 29 10:09:06 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast meant: This is so airport don't think you are using it to smuggle something nasty on.
Nov 29 10:09:28 <jonwil> this is Australia and its a domestic flight
Nov 29 10:09:32 <jonwil> the rules are different
Nov 29 10:10:04 <jonwil> although last time I flew, I had the phone on when I went through security (not that anyone cared) and turned it off before boarding
Nov 29 10:10:57 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod:
Nov 29 10:11:31 <sixwheeledbeast> I can understand domestic would be different over there.
Nov 29 10:12:01 <jonwil> they even largely did away with the checkin desks
Nov 29 10:12:23 <jonwil> you walk up to a kiosk, enter in your booking number etc and it spits out a boarding pass and bag tags
Nov 29 10:12:48 <jonwil> you then put the tags on your luggage and take it to a bag-drop station
Nov 29 10:13:13 <jonwil> that reads the bag tag, weighs the bag and sends it into the bowels of the airport somewhere
Nov 29 10:14:03 <jonwil> hmmm, it looks like my wl1251-cal clone is broken, the mac address of my WiFi card (as set by the wl1251-cal clone) is wrong
Nov 29 10:14:12 <sixwheeledbeast> Well it's not exactly easy driving from one side to the other so I understand the popularity in domestic flights.
Nov 29 10:15:10 <sixwheeledbeast> and the requirement to make them less hassle
Nov 29 10:16:24 <jonwil> This flight I will be taking is somewhere around 5-6 hours
Nov 29 10:16:35 <jonwil> thankfully I will be taking some nice books to read :)
Nov 29 10:16:49 <jonwil> since the in-flight stuff on the airline I am flying sucks
Nov 29 10:45:36 <KotCzarny> jonwil, you might try flashing stock and see if it fixes your troubles anyhow
Nov 29 10:45:47 <jonwil> tried a reflash this morning
Nov 29 10:45:50 <jonwil> no go
Nov 29 10:45:51 <KotCzarny> but i bet on the stuck bits in the battery controller
Nov 29 10:46:07 <KotCzarny> or in the usb logic somewhere
Nov 29 10:46:20 <KotCzarny> hardware dies sometimes
Nov 29 10:47:57 <jonwil> I just hope it doesn't die to the point where it becomes unusable anymore and I need a new phone (if I cant get a N900 I would have to buy something crap like a Samsung Galaxy)
Nov 29 10:48:50 <jonwil> Although as long as I live I will never spend a cent of my own money on any products made by companies with pieces of fruit as logos
Nov 29 10:48:52 <KotCzarny> start looking for second hand deals
Nov 29 10:49:11 <jonwil> well I dont know for sure the thing is dead yet :)
Nov 29 10:49:22 <KotCzarny> you could use a devel spare, right?
Nov 29 10:49:41 <KotCzarny> and once (and if) it dies, you will be ready
Nov 29 10:51:07 <Maxdamantus> Just wrap it in aluminium foil (or tinfoil as I suspect it's also called in Australia).
Nov 29 10:51:14 <Maxdamantus> The guys at the scanners will understand.
Nov 29 10:51:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 29 10:58:53 <freemangordon> jonwil: does it make sense to RE Harmattan AEP, instead of Fremantle?
Nov 29 11:00:01 <jonwil> Have a look and see if the code looks similar enough
Nov 29 11:00:21 <freemangordon> it looks totally different
Nov 29 11:00:43 <freemangordon> but it is supposed to do the same
Nov 29 11:00:54 <freemangordon> unless I miss something
Nov 29 11:01:38 <jonwil> It might not be doing the same thing since all the hardware on N9[50] is different to N900
Nov 29 11:02:02 <freemangordon> what I think is - in Fremantle we have a GP voice audio processing executable (init_main()), of which only a small part is used
Nov 29 11:02:26 <freemangordon> while on Harm we have only the used parts, implemented with some other code
Nov 29 11:02:47 <freemangordon> well, IIRC phone functionality was working on Meego DE
Nov 29 11:03:01 <jonwil> anyhow, its up to you what you want to do
Nov 29 11:03:17 <jonwil> See how the parameter files compare between Harmattan and Fremantle
Nov 29 11:03:27 <jonwil> i.e. the stuff that tells eap exactly what to do
Nov 29 11:03:36 <freemangordon> do we have meego DE parameter files?
Nov 29 11:04:17 <freemangordon> hmm, I have the image
Nov 29 11:07:56 <jonwil> hmmm, seems like wl1251-cal clone isn't broken after all, its just acting weird and isn't properly running sometimes
Nov 29 11:10:01 <jonwil> aha, I see whats going wrong
Nov 29 11:14:59 <jonwil> or not
Nov 29 11:49:46 <jonwil> so no I am no closer to figuring out why my wl1251-cal clone sometimes acts weird
Nov 29 11:50:15 <KotCzarny> maybe whole device got fried a bit
Nov 29 11:50:22 <jonwil> nope, stock wl1251-cal works
Nov 29 11:50:29 <jonwil> so its something werid in my clone
Nov 29 11:50:46 <jonwil> lets just switch back to stock wl1251-cal, I dont need to run my clone reaslly
Nov 29 11:50:58 <jonwil> I was only running it because hey I cloned it so lets run it :P
Nov 29 11:52:05 <jonwil> I also note that my clone picked "US" for regulatory domain but stock binary seemed to pick "EU"
Nov 29 11:52:22 <jonwil> probably because my clone gets it from cal but stock gets it from somewhere else
Nov 29 11:52:39 <jonwil> actually I think stock uses mobile network mcc
Nov 29 11:53:27 <KotCzarny> could be user settable, but most likely its the one that also sets default device language/region 
Nov 29 11:54:53 <jonwil> the one in cal is specifically labeled wlan-channel
Nov 29 11:55:02 <jonwil> and on my phone it says fcc/us
Nov 29 11:55:58 <KotCzarny> ie. factory chip setting vs firmware region
Nov 29 11:56:44 <jonwil> my clone uses the value set in cal (set by factory to fcc/us in my case)
Nov 29 11:57:19 <jonwil> but the stock wl1251-cal gets mobile network mcc from cellular modem
Nov 29 11:57:41 <jonwil> then uses a list of specific country codes to determine what regulatory domain to use
Nov 29 11:58:18 <KotCzarny> but if uses selects for example australia in the welcom screen?
Nov 29 11:58:42 <KotCzarny> it gets saved, then used by wl1251-cal?
Nov 29 11:59:32 <jonwil> nope
Nov 29 11:59:49 <jonwil> wl1251-cal specifically asks the cellular services daemon for the current mobile country code
Nov 29 11:59:55 <jonwil> and uses that to ID the wifi reguatory domain
Nov 29 12:00:03 <jonwil> stock that is
Nov 29 12:00:13 <jonwil> probably the correct way to do it since you want the regulatory domain for the country the user is in at that time
Nov 29 12:00:22 <jonwil> not some other country
Nov 29 12:00:30 <KotCzarny> but if one never enables cellular?
Nov 29 12:01:03 <KotCzarny> or modem gets broken?
Nov 29 12:01:53 <jonwil> I believe it picks "US" by default
Nov 29 12:02:01 <jonwil> rather than "EU"
Nov 29 12:07:23 <jonwil> the counties that are considered as "US" by mobile country code seem to be canada, usa, guam, taiwan, brazil, argentina, mexico and colombia
Nov 29 12:07:36 <jonwil> all the other country codes other than the ones in its hardcoded list will make it pick "E"
Nov 29 12:07:38 <jonwil> "EU"
Nov 29 12:08:09 <jonwil> and of course if there are country codes for any of those countries that maemo doesn't know about (USA in particular has a lot of valid country codes) then it will pick EU as well
Nov 29 12:08:39 <jonwil> but hey, I decided to stop caring so much and just run stock rather than try and figure out why my clone wont always set mac address correctly
Nov 29 12:09:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 29 12:22:46 <jonwil> the other thing owning a N900 has taught me is just how much I totally SUCK at chess
Nov 29 12:22:54 <jonwil> Even on easy I get beaten every tim
Nov 29 12:22:55 <Wizzup> hah
Nov 29 12:22:55 <KotCzarny> :>
Nov 29 12:22:56 <jonwil> time
Nov 29 12:23:13 <KotCzarny> still, its better to have challenge
Nov 29 12:24:37 <jonwil> seems like chess engine is just gnuchess
Nov 29 12:26:03 <jonwil> the chess UI is FOSS too which is nice :)
Nov 29 12:26:41 <jonwil> seems like the sounds and graphics are nokia-closed though (makes sense, nokia probably made those :)
Nov 29 12:28:14 <jonwil> freemangordon: I will leave nokia-voice alone until you give me something more I can do on it :)
Nov 29 13:47:43 <jonwil> ~sb
Nov 29 13:47:44 <infobot> [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Nov 29 13:50:27 <jonwil> freemangordon: ping
Nov 29 16:51:29 <kerio> holy shit my battery is like 1.2Ah
Nov 29 16:51:32 <kerio> it used to be 1.4
Nov 29 17:01:27 <KotCzarny> life
Nov 29 17:01:35 <KotCzarny> original?
Nov 29 17:36:07 <kerio> KotCzarny: no, some weird chinese battery with an orange label and no discernible brand
Nov 29 17:36:22 <kerio> although to be fair it's winter
Nov 29 17:36:27 <KotCzarny> expected then
Nov 29 17:36:31 <KotCzarny> (being chinese)
Nov 29 17:36:37 <kerio> no no it used to be 1.4
Nov 29 17:36:40 <kerio> this battery is legit
Nov 29 17:37:27 <KotCzarny> on of the few symptoms is losing capacity faster
Nov 29 17:38:18 <kerio> u shut up
Nov 29 17:38:22 <kerio> :<
Nov 29 17:38:34 <KotCzarny> it wont help your battery 
Nov 29 17:38:35 <kerio> this is the little battery that could
Nov 29 17:39:00 <kerio> i dunno man i think i'll have to switch to android at some point in the future
Nov 29 17:39:06 <KotCzarny> no, this is the bastard made using cheap labor and thrown into the wild 
Nov 29 17:39:25 <KotCzarny> still, i love my n900
Nov 29 17:39:46 <kerio> KotCzarny: because nokia batteries are made with organic, free-range chinese labor
Nov 29 17:39:52 <kerio> right
Nov 29 17:40:32 <KotCzarny> nope, similar cheap labor, but with better paid workoverseers
Nov 29 17:40:48 <KotCzarny> also known as pen masters
Nov 29 17:41:12 <KotCzarny> in another news, oscp effects rock
Nov 29 17:41:30 <KotCzarny> would be great to know dsp magic :/
Nov 29 17:49:20 <Sicelo> switching to android because of battery? :p
Nov 29 17:50:33 <KotCzarny> if one just does phoning and not much more, battery life would be deciding factor :P
Nov 29 17:52:41 <erlehmann> interestingly enough, i have the impression that android uses battery much faster
Nov 29 17:52:48 <KotCzarny> :>
Nov 29 17:52:57 <erlehmann> i can leave my n900 accidentally logged in on IRC the night and it will not discharge
Nov 29 17:53:03 <KotCzarny> displaying ads is no trivial bussiness!
Nov 29 17:53:05 <erlehmann> ahaha
Nov 29 17:53:06 <erlehmann> :D
Nov 29 17:53:22 <KotCzarny> also perpetual collection of user data
Nov 29 17:53:52 <KotCzarny> most 'free' aps on droid just suck ads all the time
Nov 29 17:54:04 <KotCzarny> which results in bettery drain
Nov 29 17:54:27 <KotCzarny> most likely with wifi/data disabled it could get decent battery life
Nov 29 17:54:39 <erlehmann> ah
Nov 29 17:57:23 <KotCzarny> now, show me any ads supported app for n900
Nov 29 18:01:23 <M4rtinK2> I think this is quite overlooked but very important point in favor of Maemo and also Sailfish OS
Nov 29 18:01:25 <M4rtinK2> no adds
Nov 29 18:01:38 <M4rtinK2> I sometimes come to contact with Android devices
Nov 29 18:01:47 <M4rtinK2> and the adds everywhere are disgusting
Nov 29 18:02:13 <M4rtinK2> not to mention distracting and making the already small screen less usable
Nov 29 18:04:15 <KotCzarny> when i use apps on droid i try to disable all data before
Nov 29 18:05:18 <KotCzarny> this usually gets rid of all ads
Nov 29 18:06:10 <KotCzarny> but some kids apps REQUIRE data connection even if app doesnt really need one, and exiting if there is connectivity problems
Nov 29 18:49:34 <erlehmann> KotCzarny kids apps?
Nov 29 18:49:52 <KotCzarny> thos hundreds megs game apps
Nov 29 18:49:56 <KotCzarny> *those
Nov 29 18:52:31 <kerio> hearthstone is over a gb i think
Nov 29 18:52:32 <kerio> maybe not
Nov 29 18:52:32 <erlehmann> i have no idea what app you mean
Nov 29 18:52:43 <erlehmann> incidentally, i do not play hearthstone
Nov 29 18:52:54 <KotCzarny> i do not use those apps neither
Nov 29 18:52:55 <kerio> yep, 1.03gb
Nov 29 18:52:55 <erlehmann> but have a lot of magic the gathering cards lying on my gfs bed right now :d
Nov 29 18:52:59 <erlehmann> :D
Nov 29 18:53:05 <KotCzarny> but doing family support i know about them 
Nov 29 18:53:09 <erlehmann> we played cube yesterday http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/notes/mtg-pauper-cube.html
Nov 29 19:22:33 <jonwil> ok, looks like "last measured discharge" is now reading 1486mAh after that last drain
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 29 22:09:07 2015
Nov 29 22:40:27 * jonwil suspects the USB port on this N900 is faulty
Nov 29 23:18:29 <sixwheeledbeast> possible
Nov 29 23:18:55 <sixwheeledbeast> I know you have mentioned you have no soldering tools but still...
Nov 29 23:19:03 <sixwheeledbeast> ~usbfix
Nov 29 23:19:23 <sixwheeledbeast> ~ping
Nov 29 23:19:36 <sixwheeledbeast> :( dead bot
Nov 29 23:29:24 <jonwil> I dont have any tools to open the N900 up (proper special screwdrivers) or any electronic or soldering tools
Nov 29 23:29:31 <jonwil> so I cant do any repairs myself
Nov 29 23:32:55 <Sicelo> reliable shops around?
Nov 29 23:33:35 <jonwil> no idea, that's why I need to search for a place that does proper repair
Nov 29 23:35:51 <jonwil> not the usual ones in the big shopping centres that do "iphone/ipad/galaxy screen replacement" and have 5 billion different phone cases for sale
Nov 29 23:53:59 <klopsi-u3> http://picosong.com/bBxt/ a friend of mine
Nov 30 01:33:01 <jonwil> ~usbfix
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