**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 01 03:00:47 2015
Dec 01 09:14:27 <KotCzarny> oh, well, libne10 needs gcc-4.8 or later.
Dec 01 09:14:41 <KotCzarny> anyone has a spare?
Dec 01 09:28:47 <KotCzarny> hmm
Dec 01 09:29:03 <KotCzarny> also, search on tmo is weird
Dec 01 09:29:20 <KotCzarny> looking for 'gcc' in threads in maemo.org - Talk > OS / Platform > Development  resulted in 0 hits
Dec 01 09:29:37 <bencoh> I always use google with site:talk.maemo.org instead ...
Dec 01 09:29:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 01 09:30:10 <KotCzarny> bencoh, by any chance you have gcc-4.8.1 copy from AapoRantalainen?
Dec 01 09:30:19 <bencoh> no
Dec 01 09:30:35 <KotCzarny> apparently his school hosting went 403 for outside world
Dec 01 09:30:47 <KotCzarny> or, if you can check if you can access http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/rantalai/maemo5/gcc-4.8.tar.bz2
Dec 01 09:31:01 <bencoh> is that a binary package?
Dec 01 09:31:08 <KotCzarny> yes, unpackable to /opt
Dec 01 09:31:09 <bencoh> 403
Dec 01 09:34:35 <KotCzarny> ooh, sailfish has gcc-5.2.0 *jealous*
Dec 01 10:44:22 <capitanocrunch> WINDOW LIST
Dec 01 10:44:40 <KotCzarny> spam incoming?
Dec 01 10:44:54 <capitanocrunch> no
Dec 01 10:45:05 <KotCzarny> good
Dec 01 10:45:19 <capitanocrunch> typing without /
Dec 01 10:45:28 <capitanocrunch> ;)
Dec 01 10:47:14 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: burning pltform
Dec 01 10:47:59 <KotCzarny> sicelo, um?
Dec 01 10:48:51 <Sicelo> sailfish gcc 5 ... unfortunately they appear to be Elop's burning platform
Dec 01 10:49:10 <KotCzarny> yeah, but that gcc is user submitted
Dec 01 10:49:17 <KotCzarny> not the official one
Dec 01 10:49:31 <KotCzarny> the same guy which did gcc package for fremantle
Dec 01 10:49:52 <Sicelo> won't matter when the platform is gone :p
Dec 01 10:49:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 01 10:50:22 <KotCzarny> isnt n900 gone by that definition for a long time?
Dec 01 10:54:06 <Sicelo> if the Jolla can find purpose for itself like the N900 :)
Dec 01 10:54:20 <KotCzarny> what is the purpose of the n900?
Dec 01 10:54:54 <Sicelo> pocket linux computer?
Dec 01 10:55:01 <KotCzarny> good one.
Dec 01 10:55:12 <KotCzarny> isnt jolla a linux too?
Dec 01 10:55:13 <Sicelo> why are we still buying them?
Dec 01 10:55:32 <Sicelo> Android "is" too :)
Dec 01 10:55:42 <KotCzarny> android is java running on linux host
Dec 01 10:55:47 <Sicelo> but will you buy 3.5 SGS3 for example?
Dec 01 10:56:57 <Sicelo> seems sailfish is not much different from android
Dec 01 10:57:03 <KotCzarny> pity.
Dec 01 10:57:15 <KotCzarny> anyone tried porting fremantle to it?
Dec 01 10:59:13 <KotCzarny> (i mean, to n9)
Dec 01 11:00:25 <Sicelo> that said .. seems android usb has improved .. no longer just mass storage devices + HID devices. saw an endoscope connecting to some samsung without extra drivers
Dec 01 11:01:33 <Sicelo> N9 .. answer to your question should be a no. what is 'fremantle' in your context btw?
Dec 01 11:01:48 <KotCzarny> linux system running natively
Dec 01 11:02:09 <KotCzarny> without all that sandbox crap
Dec 01 11:02:33 <KotCzarny> and maybe with hildon/matchbox as an ui
Dec 01 11:02:36 <Maxdamantus> sandbox? scratchbox?
Dec 01 11:02:55 <Sicelo> N9 is full linux. with fancy look-alike of selinux/apparmor ... i.e. aegis
Dec 01 11:03:26 <Maxdamantus> The point of scratchbox is mostly to provide an ARM development environment on x86.
Dec 01 11:03:37 <Maxdamantus> or potentially replace with some other architectures.
Dec 01 11:03:59 <Sicelo> as for hildon, i don't see any interest .. they have swipe, which is considered superior by most .. some tried to get it ported back to hildon :)
Dec 01 11:04:01 <KotCzarny> nope, sb is just build env, i meant the device os/env
Dec 01 11:04:15 <Sicelo> Maxdamantus: he meant aegis
Dec 01 11:04:25 <Maxdamantus> Oh, nvm.
Dec 01 11:04:31 <KotCzarny> sicelo, swipe requires good touch screen
Dec 01 11:04:54 <KotCzarny> and i prefer clicking, my fingers make too much friction usually
Dec 01 11:06:59 * Maxdamantus wonders if people have experimented with a touchpad mode on a phone.
Dec 01 11:07:48 <Maxdamantus> touchpad as in relative positioning, probably also with the click/drag actions on typical laptop setups (single tap = click, double tap = drag)
Dec 01 11:08:27 <KotCzarny> i hate touchpad clicking, always disable it because of accidental clicks
Dec 01 11:09:13 <Maxdamantus> I'm usually in a terminal on my laptops, so clicking accidentally doesn't really do much.
Dec 01 11:09:29 <KotCzarny> it does the select/paste thing
Dec 01 11:09:41 <KotCzarny> at least if you have gpm running
Dec 01 11:10:18 <Maxdamantus> Just select (and make accessible as the primary buffer)
Dec 01 11:13:29 <Sicelo> talking about N9, KotCzarny you got one yet?
Dec 01 11:13:37 <KotCzarny> not yet
Dec 01 11:15:14 <klopsi-u3> has no keyboard
Dec 01 11:15:45 <KotCzarny> with good apps you wont miss kb that much
Dec 01 11:16:22 <klopsi-u3> that's like telling me what kind of girlfriend i would like
Dec 01 11:16:23 <Sicelo> i missed it ..
Dec 01 11:16:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 01 11:17:09 <Sicelo> but thn, N900 won't ast forever. no getting around that. we WILL move to keyboard-less devices at some point, no matter how much we can resist for now :)
Dec 01 11:17:18 <kerio> will we
Dec 01 11:17:19 <KotCzarny> but its true, windows ui (mostly mouse driven) vs linux terminal one (mostly kb)
Dec 01 11:17:20 <Sicelo> s/ast/last/
Dec 01 11:18:59 <KotCzarny> sicelo, that point in time will be: 1/ when gsm network drops support for the ones we have in n900, or 2/ all n900s in the world break (or their batteries), or 3/ there would be viable better alternative (opensource, linux, etc)
Dec 01 11:19:18 <KotCzarny> still good few years before that
Dec 01 11:19:48 <kerio> i'm waiting for some rich nerd's neo900 to be sold on ebay for cheaper than 1k€
Dec 01 11:20:11 <KotCzarny> kerio, rich nerds dont sell things usually
Dec 01 11:20:26 <KotCzarny> they are rich, why should they sell things?
Dec 01 11:21:17 <kerio> the blackberry priv managed to make the keyboard slide on the wrong side :\
Dec 01 11:21:17 <KotCzarny> and sadly, with so fewer of them being already paid for, i wouldnt expect to even 1 show up 
Dec 01 11:24:38 <KotCzarny> that priv looks nice, and quite slim for a sliding phone
Dec 01 11:26:48 <kerio> it costs a fuckton tho
Dec 01 11:26:56 <kerio> and the slider is... narrow
Dec 01 11:27:19 <KotCzarny> and it's an android ?
Dec 01 11:28:32 <kerio> that too
Dec 01 11:28:39 <kerio> android is shit, ios is too restricted
Dec 01 11:30:15 <KotCzarny> merlin1991: any chance to make newer gcc for sbox?
Dec 01 11:53:42 <jonwil> I was posting on a forum in a thread about the N900 and commenting on how good it is and that I was hopeful of fixing mine and I said "Otherwise I will be stuck buying some piece-of-crap Android phone". Some guy then responded back and said "And when you do you'll ask yourself "why didn't I do this earlier???"." and "I loved my N900 too but everything just works on my Android."
Dec 01 11:54:16 <jonwil> Clearly not everyone is as in tune with the cult-of-N900 as we here are :)
Dec 01 11:54:39 <KotCzarny> yes, of course 'it just works' as long one doesnt need something changed too much
Dec 01 11:54:40 <KotCzarny> then..
Dec 01 11:54:43 <KotCzarny> sorry. no bonus
Dec 01 11:54:51 <jonwil> You couldn't PAY me to use an iPhail...
Dec 01 11:55:36 <zGrr> moin :)
Dec 01 11:55:49 <KotCzarny> i've coded few apps for android, but again, it doubles the porting work
Dec 01 11:56:04 <jonwil> if by some miracle I did by an Android device it would probably be a Google Nexus device
Dec 01 11:56:07 <KotCzarny> you cant just get the source you did for your phone app, then compile it for pc
Dec 01 11:56:16 <jonwil> Closest thing to fully-open-source
Dec 01 11:56:26 <jonwil> and none of the crapware
Dec 01 11:56:31 <KotCzarny> one plus of having nexus one is more support
Dec 01 11:56:51 <KotCzarny> if you buy any chinese or even some models of samsung..
Dec 01 11:57:13 <jonwil> And none of the nexus gear has any kind of lockdowns or restrictions on flashing custom ROMs of any sort (unlike many other Android phones)
Dec 01 11:57:34 <jonwil> Heck, if you had hardware drivers you could probably run a proper Linux OS on a Nexus device
Dec 01 11:57:35 <KotCzarny> still, they get phased out quick with new models
Dec 01 12:00:15 <jonwil> I just hope I can either get my N900 fixed (or failing that, find a new-to-me replacement N900 that I dont have to pay a fortune for, dont have to wait months for it to arrive, dont need to buy from questionable shops with a risk of not getting what I paid for and dont need to use eBay or PayPal to obtain)
Dec 01 12:00:31 <kerio> to be fair the cult-of-n900 stuff could be true
Dec 01 12:00:32 <jonwil> otherwise I really will have no choice but to leave the greatest phone OS of all tim behind
Dec 01 12:00:38 <jonwil> all time
Dec 01 12:00:40 <kerio> right now the only thing i'm using my n900 for is irc, pretty much
Dec 01 12:00:46 <kerio> the browser's too slow to do anything useful
Dec 01 12:01:10 <jonwil> The browser isn't that bad on the sites I visit
Dec 01 12:01:22 <KotCzarny> im using browser on my laptop, phone screen/lack of kb is the stopping factor
Dec 01 12:02:06 <KotCzarny> not to mention mobile browsing is usually restricted to getting info/paying
Dec 01 12:02:24 <jonwil> Pro tip is not to run any ad blockers or the like (they are a leading cause of problems with microb) and (unless you actually have a genuine need for it) to completly turn off Flash
Dec 01 12:02:42 <jonwil> I did both of those (removed ad blocker and turned off Flash) and my browser started doing better
Dec 01 12:02:47 <KotCzarny> and that you can do with the n900 and a bit of patience
Dec 01 12:03:12 <KotCzarny> jonwil, proxy ad blocking is they way
Dec 01 12:03:55 <jonwil> The problem in getting my N900 fixed I suspect will be finding a repair shop that actually does solder worth rather than just "ok, motherboard is broken, sorry, we cant fix your phone, you need a new one, that will be $100 for taking a look at it thanks"
Dec 01 12:04:26 <KotCzarny> jonwil, look for general electronics repair sites, than just phone shops
Dec 01 12:06:54 <jonwil> When I google for those in my area, most of what comes up seem to be places that repair TV and audio gear
Dec 01 12:09:54 <DocScrutinizer51> jonwil: you need to ask them for SMT repair skills
Dec 01 12:10:53 <DocScrutinizer51> usually those shops offered 'LED color pimping" etc for featurephones
Dec 01 12:21:03 <enyc> DocScrutinizer51: hrrm, make me wonedr now about DocScrutinizer51 vs DocScrutinizer05 ... thouugh at least latter was away for a bit now
Dec 01 12:22:25 <DocScrutinizer51> yes, I'm 'away'
Dec 01 12:23:17 <DocScrutinizer51> got a few minutes of connectivity per day
Dec 01 12:23:42 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Dec 01 12:25:05 <enyc> DocScrutinizer51: have a nice time =)
Dec 01 12:25:13 <DocScrutinizer51> ta
Dec 01 12:51:21 <jonwil> I have posted a thread on a forum where a lot of electronics guys hang out (including a lot of Aussie electronics guys) asking if they know of any places in my town that can still do actual solder work rather than just parts replacement
Dec 01 12:51:39 <jonwil> maybe that will throw up a useful lead
Dec 01 13:08:03 <Oksanaa> Hmm... Anybody interested in adding otr support to telepathy? https://git.collabora.com/cgit/user/xclaesse/telepathy-gabble.git/log/?h=otr
Dec 01 13:08:52 <DocScrutinizer51> hi Oksanaa 
Dec 01 13:11:28 <DocScrutinizer51> a pity I can't remote-reboot infobot. Prolly a email to tim AT rikers.org subject:"please restart infobot" and greetings from joerg is OK
Dec 01 13:12:27 <Oksanaa> hello :-) I am not sure about differences in telepathy-gabble versions, if any, but then GUI would need security-buttons? and yes, email or something should be okay
Dec 01 13:13:22 <DocScrutinizer51> I can't send mail either
Dec 01 13:13:50 <Oksanaa> why? his email inbox full?
Dec 01 13:14:05 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm abroad
Dec 01 13:15:06 <DocScrutinizer51> Oksana: I'm abroad
Dec 01 13:16:32 <Oksanaa> Abroad: Holidays? :-) Abroad: how does it prevent sending email?
Dec 01 13:17:03 <DocScrutinizer51> if I wasn't or if I could tell my flat mate how to open the ssh port on my router, I could do both send mail and reboot bot
Dec 01 13:17:38 <Oksanaa> Currently infobot is logging, but it wasn't on Monday?
Dec 01 13:17:47 <DocScrutinizer51> reconvalescence 'holiday'
Dec 01 13:18:49 <DocScrutinizer51> currently it's logging?
Dec 01 13:19:13 <DocScrutinizer51> ~+status
Dec 01 13:19:42 <Oksanaa> I think so. I checked in weblogs to see if I missed anything due to jump-out
Dec 01 13:19:57 <DocScrutinizer51> infobot is offline
Dec 01 13:20:10 <Oksanaa> And latest logs were Sunday and Tuesday
Dec 01 13:20:25 <DocScrutinizer51> povbot: status
Dec 01 13:20:26 <povbot> DocScrutinizer51: Error: "status" is not a valid command.
Dec 01 13:20:43 <DocScrutinizer51> infobot != povbot
Dec 01 13:20:43 <Oksanaa> povbot: help
Dec 01 13:20:43 <povbot> Oksanaa: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
Dec 01 13:21:06 <Oksanaa> povbot: commands
Dec 01 13:21:06 <povbot> Oksanaa: Error: "commands" is not a valid command.
Dec 01 13:21:47 <Oksanaa> povbot: plugins
Dec 01 13:21:47 <povbot> Oksanaa: Error: "plugins" is not a valid command.
Dec 01 13:21:59 <Oksanaa> povbot: help help
Dec 01 13:22:00 <povbot> Oksanaa: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
Dec 01 13:22:48 <Oksanaa> povbot: help infobot
Dec 01 13:22:48 <povbot> Oksanaa: Error: There is no command "infobot".
Dec 01 13:23:22 <Oksanaa> What's the difference between 'not a valid command' and 'no command'?
Dec 01 13:23:34 <DocScrutinizer51> nfc
Dec 01 13:23:59 <DocScrutinizer51> I think povbot has no (much) useful commands at all
Dec 01 13:24:18 <Oksanaa> povbot: help version
Dec 01 13:24:18 <povbot> Oksanaa: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot.
Dec 01 13:24:24 <Oksanaa> povbot: version
Dec 01 13:24:26 <povbot> Oksanaa: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1.  The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1.
Dec 01 13:25:59 <KotCzarny> povbot: list
Dec 01 13:25:59 <povbot> KotCzarny: Admin, Bugzilla, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Lart, Misc, Owner, Praise, Seen, Services, Tail, and User
Dec 01 13:26:50 <KotCzarny> povbot: seen infobot
Dec 01 13:26:50 <povbot> KotCzarny: infobot was last seen in #maemo 1 day, 23 hours, 39 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <infobot> [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Dec 01 13:26:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 01 13:27:29 <Oksanaa> povbot: help Seen
Dec 01 13:27:29 <povbot> Oksanaa: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
Dec 01 13:27:34 <KotCzarny> povbot: networks
Dec 01 13:27:34 <povbot> KotCzarny: Error: "networks" is not a valid command.
Dec 01 13:27:46 <Oksanaa> povbot: list Seen
Dec 01 13:27:46 <povbot> Oksanaa: any, last, seen, and user
Dec 01 13:27:59 <Oksanaa> povbot: list Admin
Dec 01 13:27:59 <povbot> Oksanaa: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
Dec 01 13:28:28 <DocScrutinizer51> meh, have fun! my online time expired
Dec 01 13:28:36 <Oksanaa> povbot: list config
Dec 01 13:28:36 <povbot> Oksanaa: channel, config, default, export, help, list, reload, and search
Dec 01 13:28:57 <Oksanaa> Have good sleep! :-)
Dec 01 13:29:08 <DocScrutinizer51> o.O
Dec 01 13:29:35 <DocScrutinizer51> 13:29
Dec 01 13:29:56 <Oksanaa> Rest well, then ;-)
Dec 01 13:30:00 <KotCzarny> povbot: lobotomy list
Dec 01 13:30:00 <povbot> KotCzarny: I'm not currently lobotomized in any channels that you're in.
Dec 01 13:30:21 <DocScrutinizer51> no rest either, simply online ime expires
Dec 01 13:32:13 <KotCzarny> povbot: dictionaries
Dec 01 13:32:13 <povbot> KotCzarny: Error: "dictionaries" is not a valid command.
Dec 01 13:32:17 <Oksanaa> ^~^ }:<O
Dec 01 13:32:21 <DocScrutinizer51> if you want infobot you either need to contact TimRiker or just wait until *eventually*...
Dec 01 13:33:10 <DocScrutinizer51> /ns info infobot
Dec 01 13:33:25 <KotCzarny> povbot: channelstats
Dec 01 13:33:25 <povbot> KotCzarny: Error: "channelstats" is not a valid command.
Dec 01 13:34:26 <KotCzarny> well, at least it has seen
Dec 01 13:35:24 <DocScrutinizer51> Programmers of Vilnius bot always been merely ment to be a logbot
Dec 01 13:40:56 * DocScrutinizer51 headdesks about own router administration
Dec 01 13:41:27 <DocScrutinizer51> Freud helped, it seems
Dec 01 14:36:19 <Sicelo> N900-cult ... i guess it also counts knowing what one wants from a mobile device
Dec 01 14:44:33 <Sicelo> we have differing needs. Some people aren't interested in anything else but movies, social networking, and web. only other requirement is usually speed :)
Dec 01 14:46:03 <KotCzarny> and some people have quad core many gigs monsters that spend all the time in their pockets
Dec 01 14:46:37 * Sicelo wishes Sony didn't kill their VAIO P-Series :(
Dec 01 14:46:47 <KotCzarny> i wouldnt trust sony
Dec 01 14:47:22 <KotCzarny> it looked nice, had good battery life, but i bet it had many backdoors and spied on users
Dec 01 14:47:32 <Sicelo> that was not a bad device, imo. for linux we had gfx problems only
Dec 01 14:47:35 <KotCzarny> not to mention trying to lock up to specific techs
Dec 01 14:48:07 <Sicelo> vaio p? maybe windows side... you definitely could run linux nicely on it
Dec 01 14:48:45 <Sicelo> just they used a gfx chip for which intel had no proper linux driver
Dec 01 14:50:18 <KotCzarny> ooh, vaio-p has a nipple
Dec 01 14:50:22 * KotCzarny loves nipples
Dec 01 14:51:07 <Sicelo> i don't understand what you mean :)
Dec 01 14:51:34 <KotCzarny> you know, you put the finger on it and make it do things
Dec 01 14:51:46 <KotCzarny> https://xkcd.com/243/
Dec 01 14:53:56 <KotCzarny> oh, lol, gma500 is based on.. wait for it.. PowerVR SGX 535
Dec 01 14:54:13 <KotCzarny> now talk about alternative driver support ;)
Dec 01 14:54:37 <bencoh> yeah, intel completely fucked up with the poulsbo arch
Dec 01 14:54:42 <KotCzarny> but apparently it got support since 2.6.39
Dec 01 14:54:46 <bencoh> s/arch/platform/
Dec 01 14:55:57 <KotCzarny> but lacking accel. hum
Dec 01 14:58:29 <Sicelo> when i saw these little laptops, i fell in love right away. no one makes such stuff anymore :(
Dec 01 14:58:53 <KotCzarny> have you ever seen toshiba portege ?
Dec 01 14:59:06 <KotCzarny> similar cute factor
Dec 01 14:59:26 <Sicelo> that?s big, if the images i see on google are anything to go by
Dec 01 14:59:42 <KotCzarny> there are different models across the years
Dec 01 14:59:56 <Sicelo> see the size of the vaio .. about same size as a woman's purse
Dec 01 15:00:04 <Sicelo> so you can pocket it nicely
Dec 01 15:00:14 <KotCzarny> as i said, browse the porteges
Dec 01 15:00:22 * Sicelo is looking
Dec 01 15:00:34 <Sicelo> any specific model/year?
Dec 01 15:01:34 <KotCzarny> browsing too
Dec 01 15:01:57 <KotCzarny> apparently they went into the thinness department (similar to apple air) 
Dec 01 15:02:09 <Sicelo> G910 seems to be the only small one i see.
Dec 01 15:05:33 <Sicelo> and that's a phone .. no full-size USB
Dec 01 15:10:03 <KotCzarny> this one seems smallish (not as that -p tho) http://www.listlaptop.com/review-toshiba-satellite-l735s3220rd-notebook-pa3817u1brs-batteries/3497
Dec 01 15:10:53 <KotCzarny> http://www.laptopspec.net/2010/06/toshiba-libretto-w100-7-inch-dual-screen-notebook/
Dec 01 15:11:11 <KotCzarny> weird design (kb is 2nd screen)
Dec 01 15:11:59 <KotCzarny> 200x120x25.4mm
Dec 01 15:12:07 <KotCzarny> a bit thick but small
Dec 01 15:14:00 <KotCzarny> i think i meant 'libretto' series, portege is a bit bigger
Dec 01 15:14:15 <KotCzarny> http://augustin.vidovic.org/pages/l1/
Dec 01 15:16:28 <KotCzarny> also, via also did some ultrasubnotebooks
Dec 01 15:49:17 <zGrr> I used to have Toshiba Libretto SS1000 back in old days. It was fantastic. Unfortunately they don't make portable computers like that these days.
Dec 01 15:49:44 <KotCzarny> yes, they do, sometimes
Dec 01 15:50:00 <zGrr> Do they? Which one?
Dec 01 15:50:05 <KotCzarny> see the ones i've found
Dec 01 15:50:12 <zGrr> show it
Dec 01 15:50:29 <KotCzarny> above links?
Dec 01 15:51:21 <zGrr> w100 is to weird. it probably wouldn't work with linux anyway
Dec 01 15:51:39 <zGrr> and satellite is too bulky
Dec 01 15:51:58 <KotCzarny> libretto l1/l2/.. are small
Dec 01 15:52:00 <zGrr> and too heavy
Dec 01 15:52:22 <bencoh> e145 might suit you if you can find a non-broadcom (wireless) version
Dec 01 15:53:03 <bencoh> err nevermind, it's much heavier than libretto :)
Dec 01 15:53:35 <zGrr> KotCzarny:  come on, transmeta crusoe? really?
Dec 01 15:54:23 <KotCzarny> but yeah, vaio-p beats them all in terms of form factor
Dec 01 15:54:54 <zGrr> allright, maybe small thinkpad would do
Dec 01 15:56:54 <zGrr> vaio is a thing of the past
Dec 01 15:57:08 <zGrr> extremely hard to get one.
Dec 01 15:59:29 <KotCzarny> well, entering umpc into images.google.com returns quite a bit of products
Dec 01 16:40:14 <DocScrutinizer51> ~wb
Dec 01 16:40:15 <infobot> thx
Dec 01 16:40:27 <DocScrutinizer51> ~+uptime
Dec 01 16:40:27 <infobot> - Uptime for infobot -
Dec 01 16:40:28 <infobot> Now: 7m 56s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Dec 01 16:40:28 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Dec 01 16:40:29 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Dec 01 16:40:29 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Dec 01 16:58:40 <bencoh> yay
Dec 01 19:06:30 <parazyd> which gcc can create executables? i got gcc4.6 to compile zsh, but it says it can't create executables
Dec 01 19:09:56 <L29Ah> i wonder why n900's sshd lets root in via authorized_keys, but doesn't let user in
Dec 01 19:10:09 <L29Ah> parazyd: check config.log to find out what's wrong
Dec 01 19:10:32 <parazyd> L29Ah: same sshd problem too :D
Dec 01 19:10:43 <Sicelo> L29Ah: works for me 
Dec 01 19:10:50 <Sicelo> check your configs :)
Dec 01 19:11:02 <parazyd> where's the config.log
Dec 01 19:11:04 * Sicelo disabled password login for both root and user
Dec 01 19:11:36 <parazyd> oh this config.log
Dec 01 19:11:55 <parazyd> thought about something in /var
Dec 01 19:12:25 <parazyd> i'll paste it, 1 sec
Dec 01 19:12:46 <parazyd> http://sprunge.us/OZCh
Dec 01 19:12:46 <parazyd> #L29Ah
Dec 01 19:12:56 <L29Ah> i've checked sshd's config but it doesn't forbid user to log in
Dec 01 19:13:07 <L29Ah> parazyd: you suck
Dec 01 19:13:16 <parazyd> what
Dec 01 19:13:40 <parazyd> i'm an idiot
Dec 01 19:13:43 <parazyd> i don't suck :D
Dec 01 19:14:03 <L29Ah> doesn't matter ;p
Dec 01 19:14:08 <parazyd> lol
Dec 01 19:14:12 <L29Ah> line 51
Dec 01 19:14:34 <parazyd> what about it
Dec 01 19:14:57 <Sicelo> L29Ah: have password set for user? (by default there isn't, iirc)
Dec 01 19:15:02 <L29Ah> no
Dec 01 19:15:19 <L29Ah> why would i?
Dec 01 19:15:24 <Sicelo> ah, you're doing keys by the way, lol
Dec 01 19:15:36 <Sicelo> my mind is on 2 things at same time, sorry
Dec 01 19:15:49 <L29Ah> the perms are also fine: user:users and rwx------
Dec 01 19:17:51 <Sicelo> maybe you also have to paste your sshd_config ;)
Dec 01 19:18:20 <Sicelo> hopefully you don't turn out to suck to, haha
Dec 01 19:19:09 <Sicelo> *too
Dec 01 19:22:06 <L29Ah> https://bpaste.net/show/3fb0cec5a2f2
Dec 01 19:22:17 <L29Ah> double-checked for sucking ;p
Dec 01 19:26:48 <Sicelo> :)
Dec 01 19:27:03 <Sicelo> so what is the exact login failure message?
Dec 01 19:27:34 <L29Ah> it asks me for password
Dec 01 19:27:46 <Sicelo> you suck then :D
Dec 01 19:28:24 <Sicelo> #PasswordAuthentication yes
Dec 01 19:28:27 <L29Ah> so?
Dec 01 19:28:47 <Sicelo> should change that to `PasswordAuthentication no`
Dec 01 19:29:12 <L29Ah> no
Dec 01 19:29:14 <L29Ah> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
Dec 01 19:29:14 <L29Ah> debug1: Offering RSA public key: /home/l29ah/.ssh/id_rsa
Dec 01 19:29:14 <L29Ah> debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 279
Dec 01 19:29:17 <L29Ah> root login
Dec 01 19:29:34 <L29Ah> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
Dec 01 19:29:34 <L29Ah> debug1: Offering RSA public key: /home/l29ah/.ssh/id_rsa
Dec 01 19:29:34 <L29Ah> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
Dec 01 19:29:38 <L29Ah> user login
Dec 01 19:29:50 <Sicelo> hmm,
Dec 01 19:29:52 <L29Ah> PasswordAuthentication has nothing to do with it
Dec 01 19:30:39 * L29Ah wonders where does the syslogd init script live
Dec 01 19:31:33 <Sicelo> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
Dec 01 19:31:34 <Sicelo> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
Dec 01 19:31:34 <L29Ah> i don't see the sshd screams in syslog for some reason and no reason for it to be silent in /etc/init.d/sshd, /etc/default/sshd and sshd_config
Dec 01 19:31:35 <Sicelo> debug1: Offering RSA public key: /home/sicelo/.ssh/id_rsa
Dec 01 19:33:00 <Sicelo> L29Ah: for syslog .. /etc/event.d/
Dec 01 19:33:27 <L29Ah> :*
Dec 01 19:34:22 <KotCzarny> l29ah: you know you can run sshd manually?
Dec 01 19:34:29 <KotCzarny> with -ddd ?
Dec 01 19:34:37 <KotCzarny> preferably on another port
Dec 01 19:35:41 * L29Ah got rusty
Dec 01 19:36:08 <L29Ah> anyway the syslog thing is important too ;]
Dec 01 19:36:32 <KotCzarny> sure, but not on limited rootfs/var
Dec 01 19:37:48 <Sicelo> you can always clear out the logs if they get too big
Dec 01 19:37:56 * Sicelo finds them very useful
Dec 01 19:39:06 <L29Ah> a few megabytes is infinity for this matter
Dec 01 19:39:24 <KotCzarny> unless you get hammered by some scriptbot
Dec 01 19:41:42 <L29Ah> User user not allowed because account is locked
Dec 01 19:41:45 <L29Ah> meh
Dec 01 19:42:18 <bencoh> passwd?
Dec 01 19:42:20 <L29Ah> yep
Dec 01 19:42:32 <bencoh> no I mean, have you changed your user password?
Dec 01 19:42:34 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: :*
Dec 01 19:42:37 <L29Ah> no
Dec 01 19:42:43 <bencoh> then do it with passwd :)
Dec 01 19:42:47 <L29Ah> s/!/*/ and that's it
Dec 01 19:42:48 <bencoh> (as root)
Dec 01 19:42:49 <L29Ah> no
Dec 01 19:42:52 <bencoh> ah
Dec 01 19:42:56 <bencoh> that works too :)
Dec 01 19:43:04 <L29Ah> sorry for the noise
Dec 01 19:43:31 * L29Ah even remembers doing the stupid thing before he learnt the difference between ! and *
Dec 01 19:45:47 <L29Ah> meh shitty dbus crap is shitty
Dec 01 19:46:00 <L29Ah> ssh user@$host 'osso-addressbook-backup -e /tmp/n900.vcf' 
Dec 01 19:46:00 <L29Ah> doesn't work
Dec 01 19:46:12 <L29Ah> does work via interactive ssh session though
Dec 01 19:46:57 <KotCzarny> i usually login as root then do su - user
Dec 01 19:47:22 <Sicelo> i do it other way round :)
Dec 01 19:47:33 <KotCzarny> im talking about n900 specifically
Dec 01 19:47:42 <Sicelo> actually root not enabled for login (on my N900)
Dec 01 19:47:54 <KotCzarny> i know that in normal situation its the reverse
Dec 01 19:48:38 <KotCzarny> well, i do some sshfs often, so i prefere to keep root enabled
Dec 01 19:49:45 <KotCzarny> sicelo: as for clearing the logs, logrotate
Dec 01 19:49:54 <Sicelo> i have it :)
Dec 01 19:49:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 01 19:51:13 <KotCzarny> in another news, switch(a) { case 'x': return y; *47000; } is 2x bigger than just having db[47000][2] and iterating linearly
Dec 01 19:51:32 <KotCzarny> not to mention compile time, 0.1 vs 15 minutes
Dec 01 19:52:11 <kerio> wut
Dec 01 19:52:21 <KotCzarny> songlengths db
Dec 01 19:52:28 <KotCzarny> it's a chip thing
Dec 01 19:52:37 <kerio> 47 *THOUSANDS* switches?
Dec 01 19:52:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 01 19:52:50 <kerio> whoever wrote that should be shot
Dec 01 19:53:01 <KotCzarny> it worked as expected and fast
Dec 01 19:53:21 <KotCzarny> only gcc had hard time, but runtime was instant
Dec 01 19:54:58 <KotCzarny> i thought about rewriting with binary search, but linear is negligibly longer
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