**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 04 03:00:42 2015 Dec 04 03:49:06 DocScrutinizer51: any chance you'd be interested in helping me de-brick some unrelated hardware? XD **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 04 12:26:18 2015 Dec 04 18:12:47 Hello Dec 04 18:13:16 If I flash the rootfs, will my calendar data, contacts, and similar application data still be intact? Dec 04 18:13:27 My N900 got soft-bricked and I need to access that data Dec 04 18:13:29 probably, but: Dec 04 18:13:34 ~bm Dec 04 18:13:34 methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Dec 04 18:13:55 how did you brick it? Dec 04 18:16:19 Probably apt-get install ffmpeg as root. It returned something about broken packages and now I get a boot loop Dec 04 18:16:27 o.o Dec 04 18:16:29 Although nothing crashed while it was still running Dec 04 18:17:19 but yeah, your data is on emmc Dec 04 18:17:29 That's the only thing I can think of. I did an upgrade with app manager even though there seemed to be problems with my catalogues, but I didn't know that can break anything Dec 04 18:17:30 ok Dec 04 18:17:37 May I ask where, exactly? Dec 04 18:18:27 in /home/user/* ? my n900 is a bit out of my reach now so i cant say exactly the mount point Dec 04 18:18:40 though.. hmm Dec 04 18:20:10 7255 7254 user R 48 0.0 99.0 gnome-pty-helper Dec 04 18:20:21 weird, first time i see it hogging device Dec 04 18:21:15 /dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 1385080 574272 71% /home Dec 04 18:21:19 /dev/mmcblk0p1 28312128 23557248 4754880 83% /home/user/MyDocs Dec 04 18:21:43 yeah, it should survive flashing, as long you dont flash emmc Dec 04 18:22:25 if you want to backup it just in case, you can boot rescueos and copy contents to sd card Dec 04 18:27:46 wooow... Dec 04 18:28:14 thats ineresting 19:16 < abramelin> Probably apt-get install ffmpeg as root. It returned something about broken packages and now I get a boot loop Dec 04 18:28:37 It was the only thing I did as root Dec 04 18:28:42 drathir, most likely broken dependencies that got sucked along Dec 04 18:28:54 But there really was something wrong with my repositories Dec 04 18:29:18 KotCzarny: i understand upgrade dist-upgrade but ffmpeg? Dec 04 18:30:24 drathir, that's part of the reason im building oscp with libav linked statically Dec 04 18:30:49 (libav is fork of ffmpeg aimed at code quality) Dec 04 18:31:10 that even at battery out shouldnt take down the whole device... ofc in theory... Dec 04 18:31:40 drathir, i suspect he got some lib upgraded in the process to version conflicting with system ones Dec 04 18:31:49 maybe something got uninstalled too Dec 04 18:33:58 * drathir when was workin usb port often plays with apt ofc carefully but not take down the whole device that why suprised me ffmpeg able to take down whole device... Dec 04 18:41:14 ffmpeg doesn't brick device. i have it installed too. Dec 04 18:41:29 that's part of the reason im building oscp with libav linked statically <<< lol Dec 04 18:41:46 sicelo, i meant dependency hell Dec 04 18:42:32 ffmpeg in -devel is broken into multiple packages, and they probably depend on whole lot of other things Dec 04 18:45:36 * Sicelo has never had dependency hell by the way ... or at least i forgot Dec 04 18:45:56 or you didnt care Dec 04 18:47:04 i'd care of course. otherwise why would i be installing package in the first place? Dec 04 18:47:51 ever wanted to install package but looking at the list of dependencies to install and thinking 'meh' ? Dec 04 18:48:21 wait ... that's dependency hell? Dec 04 18:48:49 it starts to be when one of the deps isnt available, or is available from multiple conflicting sources Dec 04 18:48:57 i always thought 'hell' had to do with trouble Dec 04 18:49:12 yes, it leads to trouble eventually Dec 04 18:49:21 even if starts without error Dec 04 18:49:30 i've not had dependency hell for sure :) Dec 04 18:50:30 maybe because i'm selective what i install? but that's a problem i basically never deal with Dec 04 18:50:46 me neither Dec 04 18:51:19 i don't suppose you install only packages with statically built deps? Dec 04 18:51:59 sicelo, you dont know usually Dec 04 18:52:59 still, oscp is ~5M, and libs it uses aren't used by anything else in the sys Dec 04 18:53:19 oscp Dec 04 18:53:26 libav is ~3M, song db is ~1M Dec 04 18:53:31 rest is miniscule Dec 04 18:54:13 now tell me, do you have libav or libxmp installed? Dec 04 18:54:42 i suppose (and my N900 has never got bricked by it) :) Dec 04 18:55:09 mine neither Dec 04 18:55:20 ffmpeg went downhill Dec 04 18:56:27 i don't have libxmp Dec 04 18:57:32 and mind you, both libs are unavailable in -devel (there is libavmini, but its archaic) Dec 04 18:58:07 i don't know what i'd need them for Dec 04 18:58:17 for media decoding Dec 04 18:59:51 such as? Dec 04 19:00:16 .mod, .xm, .s3m, .it etc Dec 04 19:00:25 :) Dec 04 19:00:38 i never play those .. have no single file of that type Dec 04 19:00:44 yup Dec 04 19:01:02 but if one would have them? Dec 04 19:01:13 .mid is the only other file format i like, and have interest in Dec 04 19:01:31 yes, oscp playes it too Dec 04 19:01:51 using wildmidi Dec 04 19:02:27 simpler for me to install wildmidi and use it directly, than install other stuff i won't ever use Dec 04 19:02:48 which reminds me .. my / is getting too full :( Dec 04 19:02:51 well, but oscp has a gui Dec 04 19:03:02 ;) Dec 04 19:03:09 clickable! Dec 04 19:03:10 ;) Dec 04 19:03:21 i'm actually having great fun playing stuff via gstreamer .. so you can guess about gui Dec 04 19:04:03 pity n900 is a tad slow for reverb :/ Dec 04 19:04:17 it makes midis sound much nicer Dec 04 19:04:58 i don't play them so often myself now .. Dec 04 19:05:31 maybe i should keep looking for great sounding patches Dec 04 19:05:46 i've found few Dec 04 19:05:50 if you want the names Dec 04 19:06:00 yes please, if you don't mind Dec 04 19:06:35 32mbgmst, 8mbgmpat, gdduspat, freepats, pc51f, pplt_150 (small size) timgm6mb (small too) Dec 04 19:06:58 i've used freepats. will look at the others. thanks Dec 04 19:06:59 there is an util to convert sf2 into gus compatible patchsets Dec 04 19:08:12 also add 'unison' to above list Dec 04 19:08:41 s/gdduspat/dgguspat/ Dec 04 19:09:08 they are free? Dec 04 19:09:22 never bothered, but i think i got them from free sites Dec 04 19:09:41 http://www.hammersound.com/ Dec 04 19:09:42 etc Dec 04 19:10:07 what's a nice site with great sounding midis? Dec 04 19:10:11 and as i said, you can grab .sf2 ones Dec 04 19:10:24 sicelo, style? Dec 04 19:10:49 and mostly its the patchset that matter for good sounding Dec 04 19:11:02 then good rendering engine (current wildmidi is sweet) Dec 04 19:11:06 i meant .. arranged Dec 04 19:12:23 www.classicalmidiresource.com for classical ones Dec 04 19:16:25 thx Dec 04 19:19:03 how do i zoom out in fennec? Dec 04 19:19:13 volume - ? Dec 04 19:19:26 doesn't seem to be working Dec 04 19:19:38 maybe its busy Dec 04 19:20:37 the site needs login, but the login form is overlaid on the main page (as opposed to be on a separate login page). problem is that the Login button is outside display, and when you pan the form simply moves down Dec 04 19:20:41 :p Dec 04 19:20:52 hmm, i didnt use the login Dec 04 19:21:15 maybe it changed since tha last time i slurped things from it Dec 04 19:21:34 the problem is from the site, at least partly Dec 04 19:21:39 login works fine for others Dec 04 19:21:41 try noframes version Dec 04 19:21:45 http://www.classicalmidiresource.com/archives1.html Dec 04 19:22:04 ah .. sorry .. that's the not the site giving me problem :) Dec 04 19:22:09 :) Dec 04 19:22:45 try disabling js Dec 04 19:22:53 vol key working. whew Dec 04 19:42:46 on unrelated note adding -msse2 to compile params changed my internal benchmark from 20.9s to 17.6 Dec 04 19:46:37 speaking of brwosers maemo.org crashed n900 opera browser Dec 04 19:47:03 can anyone see the irony in there? Dec 04 19:47:36 yes, websites are too big for n900 Dec 04 19:47:51 :) Dec 04 19:52:21 hi Dec 04 19:52:29 which one? 11 or 12? Dec 04 19:53:05 12 is known to be finicky Dec 04 19:53:24 12.10.16 Dec 04 19:53:51 that one crashes by itself .. no relationship to the site at all :) Dec 04 19:54:05 :> Dec 04 19:54:20 if you want stability, use 11. Dec 04 19:54:30 hmm Dec 04 19:55:24 i wonder how many security holes does the state-of-the-art maemo firefox contain Dec 04 19:55:41 state-of-the art? Dec 04 19:55:47 only the small ones.... Dec 04 19:55:56 disable js and you should be quite safe Dec 04 19:56:15 Friends don't let friends browse on the n900 Dec 04 19:56:20 lynx, ftw. Dec 04 19:56:21 btw, seems fennec doesn't really give you Enter key via vkbd Dec 04 19:56:32 elinks > lynx Dec 04 20:01:12 Sicelo: the one in the repos Dec 04 20:01:29 dillo > elinks Dec 04 20:01:41 dillo doesnt run on console Dec 04 20:02:02 who needs console Dec 04 20:02:07 hackers Dec 04 20:07:29 Is it okay to downgrade from CSSU to no CSSU? Dec 04 20:07:44 its unsupported Dec 04 20:07:45 I think something went wrong when installing CSSU last time. I think that's what caused the trouble in the first place Dec 04 20:07:57 And switching from one CSSU repos to another? Dec 04 20:08:00 ~cssu Dec 04 20:08:01 cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Dec 04 20:08:56 in theory you can reinstall non cssu metapackage and downgrade packages, but i expecte dependency hell Dec 04 20:09:04 kk Dec 04 20:09:28 so just use backup menu, backup, reflash, install wanted variant, restore backup Dec 04 20:21:39 hmm, wtf! swappiness on my N900 is set at 100 Dec 04 20:21:45 I think there's something really wrong with my repositories. I don't see ffmpeg in the package list even though I have the appropriate repos Dec 04 20:21:53 I have Extras and Extras testing enabled Dec 04 20:22:19 hmm, that's default value, it seems Dec 04 20:23:16 Sicelo: yes thats default Dec 04 20:23:36 just checked and i have proposed value in use Dec 04 20:24:06 (the one that swappolube proposes) Dec 04 20:24:35 * Sicelo goes to wiki to study the reasons for this 100 here Dec 04 20:31:20 set it to 30. monitoring Dec 04 20:46:46 Sicelo: yep, 30 is what you need Dec 04 21:11:12 https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort/VfpComparison Dec 04 21:11:13 hum Dec 04 21:16:13 freemangordon: how's mainline on n900 these days? Dec 04 21:29:19 wtf is gnome-pty-helper ? Dec 04 21:34:16 https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Get_rid_of_the_gnome-pty-helper_process Dec 04 21:34:47 o.o Dec 04 21:35:50 quite radical, but because it hangs often today when i start the terminal it gets cut, thx Dec 04 21:37:43 it lives in /usr/libexec/ on n900 Dec 04 21:37:51 now it is no more Dec 04 21:40:48 hrm Dec 04 21:41:26 binutils from sb1 doesnt play nice with -mfloat-abi=hard Dec 04 21:44:16 freemangordon: ping Dec 04 21:56:20 KotCzarny: seems to be a setuid helper Dec 04 22:26:03 KotCzarny: I was curious to know if I truly can use a CF HDD (CompactMagnetic) in my Canon PowerShot G6 because a CF card using flash memory (literally CompactFlash) is a Type I card (3.3 mm thick) but a CF HDD is a Type II card (5 mm thick). [1] explicitly says “Compact Flash Type I or Type II (Slot 2)” and “IBM Microdrive supported”. Dec 04 22:26:03 [1] http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong6/2 Dec 04 22:26:38 type is only for thickness Dec 04 22:27:24 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash#Type_I_and_Type_II Dec 04 22:29:11 KotCzarny: Yes, I know. If the PowerShot G6 can use only a Type I card, I cannot even try to use a CF HDD unless I can find a CF HDD that is a Type I card. Dec 04 22:30:12 um, but that spec you've pasted sayd g6 supports type i and ii (and microdrives) Dec 04 22:35:06 KotCzarny: You are misunderstanding me. Days ago, I mentioned in this channel that it would be novel to use a CF HDD in my PowerShot G6. At that time, I thought that a CF HDD can fit in all CF slots/connectors because I forgot that there are multiple thicknesses (Types) of CF cards because I have used only Type I cards because I have used only literal CompactFlash, not CompactMagnetic. Today I researched the subject to see if using a CF HDD in the Dec 04 22:35:07 PowerShot G6 is possible in practice. Dec 04 22:35:47 ok, what is cf hdd you are talking about, microdrive? Dec 04 22:37:34 http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/5/0900001295/01/PSG6CUG-EN.pdf Dec 04 22:37:38 KotCzarny: I do not have a CF HDD. Dec 04 22:37:50 manual for g6 says it works with type 1 and 2 Dec 04 22:37:52 page 199 Dec 04 22:38:00 what other info you need? Dec 04 22:39:03 but you can buy bigger cf flash cards than microdrives, and probably much faster too Dec 04 22:43:05 KotCzarny: I know that. As I said before, my interest in a CF HDD is only because it would be novel to use magnetic storage in this application, like the Sony DSC that uses a 3.5-inch flexible disc drive. Dec 04 22:45:02 1/ it would work (unless you get some early microdrive that draws more than type ii spec), 2/ it will be slower and less reliable (shocks) Dec 04 23:01:11 modrana should observe a reasonable memlimit when downloading map data (rather: trying to download) Trying a level18 download of 20km radius goes straight to swap hell before even starting actual data transfer Dec 04 23:42:27 * brolin_empey just noticed that “swap” is “paws” backwards. Dec 04 23:57:30 good catch there :D Dec 05 02:25:50 DocScrutinizer51: Hey Dec 05 02:26:07 It showed up in dmesg, and it showed up as a removable device. Dec 05 02:26:50 And on the phone, the battery indicator is showing a charging animation now. Nice. Dec 05 02:29:02 your device seems OK. Wallcharger missing D*- line short Dec 05 02:29:31 ~charging Dec 05 02:29:40 Okay Dec 05 02:29:51 hmmm no such factoid? strange Dec 05 02:31:50 after charging battery for 2h from PC, you may start flashing. You can try before but it might not work and simply fall back to charging, then you need to wait a bit longer Dec 05 02:32:22 Okay. Dec 05 02:32:30 I'll wait. No rush. Dec 05 02:38:45 what does battery indicator show whan you stop charging (unplug)? What's displaued for battery status in the systray menu? Dec 05 02:39:24 Airwave: ^ Dec 05 02:40:06 DocScrutinizer51: Like roughly how many % full it is when I unplug it? Dec 05 02:40:30 yes, how many? Dec 05 02:41:58 I'd say roughly 10%. Dec 05 02:42:45 when you click on the battery icon, what does it show for battery status? Dec 05 02:44:39 DocScrutinizer51: Just says "battery." Dec 05 02:44:57 hmm, no CSSU installed Dec 05 02:45:18 charge for 2h Dec 05 02:46:16 lock the screen with side slide lockswitch, this will significantly speed up charging Dec 05 02:46:43 Okay. Dec 05 02:47:06 I might go to bed before it finishes charging then, but in that case I'll just flash it in the morning. Dec 05 02:47:14 I really appreciate all the help, by the way. Dec 05 02:53:59 Airwave: meanwhile you can download the flasjing script and see if you need to install 32bit libusb on your PC Dec 05 02:55:13 seems most 64bit systems don't come with 32bit support per default nowadays Dec 05 02:56:09 DocScrutinizer51: I just run flasher-3.5 and see if it complains about missing libraries? Dec 05 02:56:22 simply download and start the flashitall.sh and see if it drops an error Dec 05 02:56:34 yes Dec 05 02:57:05 Runs fine. Dec 05 02:57:13 great Dec 05 02:57:20 My package manager says that I have 32-bit libusb as well. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 05 02:59:58 2015