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Dec 07 05:08:44 <jonwil> hi
Dec 07 05:11:06 <jonwil> Freemangordon: ping
Dec 07 06:27:02 <freemangordon> jonwil: pong
Dec 07 06:31:08 <jonwil> Currently playing with sink_subscribe_cb FYI
Dec 07 06:31:23 <jonwil> cloning it (or trying to)
Dec 07 06:31:47 <freemangordon> good. I was trying to compare maemo/meego/harm AEP
Dec 07 06:32:31 <jonwil> ok, any luck figuring out how close they are?
Dec 07 06:35:35 <freemangordon> parameters *look* similar, but, there is a function in harm AEP called dsp_to_spea_switches(...)
Dec 07 06:37:04 <freemangordon> it seems to convert aep parameters and switches from "meego" to "harm" format
Dec 07 06:38:16 <freemangordon> so we might be lucky and RE *ONLY* SPEA, instead of the whole fremantle AEP
Dec 07 06:40:40 <freemangordon> but I think we should use functions from the Fremantle blob on the first stage, check if everything else works as it should and try to use SPEA instead. If it still works, RE SPEA, as I am not sure we'll be able to ...
Dec 07 06:40:58 <freemangordon> RE Fremanle AEP in any sane shape
Dec 07 06:41:24 <jonwil> ok
Dec 07 06:42:44 <freemangordon> jonwil: BTW, is is possible to dload a .so, even if it misses some dependencies?
Dec 07 06:42:54 <jonwil> no idea
Dec 07 06:50:55 <KotCzarny> fmg, maybe with faking functions with additional fake lib
Dec 07 06:51:31 <jonwil> ok, sink_subscribe_cb is done
Dec 07 06:51:34 <KotCzarny> just to resolve symbols you wouldnt use, but it will fail if anything tries to use them
Dec 07 06:52:10 <jonwil> At least I think its a proper clone, not 100% sure I got it right
Dec 07 06:52:13 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: the pint is that it needs version B of pulseAUDIO, while we have version A
Dec 07 06:52:16 <freemangordon> *point
Dec 07 06:52:40 * freemangordon is still having his first coffee for the day
Dec 07 06:53:31 <freemangordon> oh, wait, RTDL_LAZY should do the job iirc
Dec 07 06:54:54 <freemangordon> yep, looks like, have to try it when I have time
Dec 07 09:54:08 <jonwil> freemangordon: thanks to the new HexRays and some other stuff, I was able to clone a couple more functions but now I am back to having nothing else to clone :)
Dec 07 13:56:19 <KotCzarny> wizzup: appears you were true about bananas: http://cbwebs.de/single-board-computer/banana-pi/several-networking-issues-with-my-banana-pi/
Dec 07 16:27:47 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: :(
Dec 07 16:28:21 <KotCzarny> dont know if only heat related or bad drivers
Dec 07 16:28:33 <Wizzup> could also be undervoltage, too high clocking, etc
Dec 07 16:29:24 <KotCzarny> i wanted to get banana pi r1, pretty nice all in one config (eth, 4p switch, sata, audio)
Dec 07 16:30:21 <Wizzup> I saw that one yeah, wonder how good the board support is.
Dec 07 16:30:34 <Wizzup> not too hopeful
Dec 07 16:31:03 <KotCzarny> bananian claims it supports everything, didnt pursue further how opensource it is
Dec 07 16:34:13 <Wizzup> 'supports with custom android based 3.4 kernel'
Dec 07 16:34:27 <Wizzup> tbh, I would still go for olimex ones any day
Dec 07 16:34:40 <KotCzarny> yeah, didnt get it after all
Dec 07 16:37:09 <KotCzarny> its a pity broadcoom doesnt do opensource drivers for such basic things as eth and switch chips
Dec 07 16:55:08 <KotCzarny> ffs, why couldnt upnp were designed as a simple GET /some/dir
Dec 07 17:01:10 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: why don't you simply use mafw?
Dec 07 17:01:28 <KotCzarny> fmg, multiplatform compatibility
Dec 07 17:01:34 <freemangordon> it is foss
Dec 07 17:01:47 <KotCzarny> i want a solution that would work almost everywhere
Dec 07 17:01:55 <KotCzarny> cygwin included
Dec 07 17:02:16 <freemangordon> ah, no gstreamer there I guess
Dec 07 17:02:21 <KotCzarny> yup
Dec 07 17:02:42 <freemangordon> so you're writing upnp client in C from scratch?
Dec 07 17:02:46 <KotCzarny> i just want upnp dev/file lister
Dec 07 17:02:50 <KotCzarny> yes
Dec 07 17:02:59 <bencoh> gstreamer runs on cygwin
Dec 07 17:03:05 <bencoh> (and windows afaict)
Dec 07 17:03:33 <bencoh> I personally wouldn't touch it even with a stick, but ...
Dec 07 17:03:37 <KotCzarny> also, one of the choosing points is minimal deps required
Dec 07 17:03:49 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: BTW, I'd recommend ezxml as a lightwaight xml parser
Dec 07 17:03:54 <freemangordon> *lightweight
Dec 07 17:04:00 <KotCzarny> uhum
Dec 07 17:04:23 <KotCzarny> i might give in to gupnp libs/tools
Dec 07 17:04:25 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: http://ezxml.sourceforge.net/
Dec 07 17:04:56 <KotCzarny> but that would mean glib2 deps
Dec 07 17:05:11 <freemangordon> ^^^ depends on libc only :)
Dec 07 17:05:23 <KotCzarny> talking about gupnp :)
Dec 07 17:05:42 <freemangordon> I meant ezxml
Dec 07 17:06:20 <KotCzarny> thx for it, would ease things a bit
Dec 07 17:06:32 <freemangordon> I compiled/run that thingie on win, solarus (on Sun) and *nix
Dec 07 17:06:39 <freemangordon> *solaris
Dec 07 17:07:06 <freemangordon> both 32 and 64 bit platforms
Dec 07 17:19:23 <totalizator> huh, can I use the cable shipped with N900 to connect Raspberry Pi B+ to a TV?
Dec 07 17:19:37 <KotCzarny> try it?
Dec 07 17:19:45 <KotCzarny> if the pinout is the same it would work
Dec 07 17:20:05 <Sicelo009N> N900 ships many cables .. which one you mean? the CA-75?
Dec 07 17:20:14 <totalizator> no raspi yet
Dec 07 17:20:31 <KotCzarny> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
Dec 07 17:20:33 <KotCzarny> pinout here
Dec 07 17:20:37 <totalizator> Sicelo009N: yup
Dec 07 17:20:47 <KotCzarny> quite likely it would work
Dec 07 17:21:21 <KotCzarny> unless it has switched pins 3 and 4
Dec 07 17:21:42 <Sicelo009N> tbh i didn't know that 3.5mm on this RPi was video-capable
Dec 07 17:22:10 <KotCzarny> http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_n95_tvout_pinout.shtml
Dec 07 17:22:11 <KotCzarny> hmm
Dec 07 17:22:15 <KotCzarny> switched
Dec 07 17:22:29 <KotCzarny> but its ca-75u
Dec 07 17:23:14 <totalizator> Sicelo009N: I wasn't expecting this too
Dec 07 17:23:25 <KotCzarny> but adapter should be simple
Dec 07 17:23:57 <totalizator> gaaah, why?
Dec 07 17:24:04 <KotCzarny> because nokia?
Dec 07 17:24:14 <totalizator> why there is nothing truly universal in this world
Dec 07 17:24:54 <KotCzarny> because moneys
Dec 07 17:25:01 <KotCzarny> and patents
Dec 07 17:25:15 <totalizator> patent monkeys?
Dec 07 17:25:18 <totalizator> well, sounds legit
Dec 07 17:25:21 <KotCzarny> patent trolls
Dec 07 17:25:30 <Sicelo009N> KotCzarny: N900 one is the *U 
Dec 07 17:25:36 <Sicelo009N> i'd just left it out 
Dec 07 17:34:50 <Sicelo009N> nokia simply kept with the convention established in the 2.5mm jack days
Dec 07 17:44:17 <KotCzarny> another reason might be positioning of the ground in the jack port
Dec 07 17:49:19 <Sicelo009N> http://www.cablechick.com.au/blog/understanding-trrs-and-audio-jacks/
Dec 07 18:33:11 <BluesLee_> ~seen DocScrutinizer05
Dec 07 18:37:21 <DocScrutinizer51> hi BluesLee_ 
Dec 07 18:38:52 <BluesLee_> hi, can you join a short private chat?
Dec 07 18:39:52 <DocScrutinizer51> well, query me, we'll see how far my connectivity goes
Dec 07 18:40:38 <DocScrutinizer51> basically I'm not even online :D
Dec 07 18:40:51 <DocScrutinizer51> sick-leave
Dec 07 18:48:10 <BluesLee_> DocScrutinizer05: basically i have a defect n900 (usb port is broken). if you wish you can have it (no costs)
Dec 07 18:49:45 <DocScrutinizer51> well, I'm never averse about receiving N900s, however it depends on origin since sometimes I have to pay mor custom tax than the whole device is worth
Dec 07 18:50:15 <DocScrutinizer51> inner-EU is generally no problem
Dec 07 18:51:02 <DocScrutinizer51> sending it as gift with clearly declared value lt 25EUR is usually also OK
Dec 07 18:53:02 <BluesLee_> DocScrutinizer51 queries don't seem to work on your side i guess
Dec 07 18:54:25 <BluesLee_> DocScrutinizer51 i will drop you a pm on tmo
Dec 07 18:55:14 <BluesLee_> DocScrutinizer51 my location is Germany, so ..
Dec 07 18:55:50 <KotCzarny> well, .de -> .de parcels must be costly
Dec 07 18:55:52 <DocScrutinizer51> BluesLee_: email please to contact at neo900 org
Dec 07 18:56:10 <DocScrutinizer51> tmo pm sucks big time
Dec 07 18:56:29 <DocScrutinizer51> queries usually work on my side
Dec 07 18:56:53 <BluesLee_> can you open a query?
Dec 07 19:51:23 <Sicelo> by the way, haha, open this website on your N900 (any browser) .... it is the website of the best bank in South Africa - https://www.fnb.co.za
Dec 07 19:51:38 <kerio> what happens
Dec 07 19:52:09 <Sicelo> wrong orientation
Dec 07 19:52:12 <KotCzarny> islamic banking?
Dec 07 19:52:18 <KotCzarny> seriously, run
Dec 07 19:53:00 <Sicelo> haha. i don't know how they got it messed up this way today. it's always been fine.
Dec 07 19:53:07 <Sicelo> and is still fine on computer
Dec 07 19:53:13 <KotCzarny> maybe preparing to switch
Dec 07 19:53:34 <Sicelo> i guess someone wanted to detect screen orientation, and messed it up
Dec 07 19:53:49 <Sicelo> for page reflow maybe :/
Dec 07 19:54:42 <Sicelo> this also happens on other devices, although in portrait most display it "correctly"
Dec 07 19:55:16 <Sicelo> so i guess dumb webmaster simply tested with some SGS perhaps (maybe friday afternoon) :p
Dec 07 19:55:35 <KotCzarny> more like apple 
Dec 07 19:56:27 <KotCzarny> one of the images: https://www.fnb.co.za/03images/chameleon/iosHomeScreen/icon.jpg
Dec 07 19:57:06 <KotCzarny> also, see the source
Dec 07 19:57:08 <KotCzarny> its.. umm
Dec 07 19:57:19 <KotCzarny> not pretty
Dec 07 20:01:46 <Sicelo> i was trying to put in a suggestion on their website, and it wants my ID. wut!
Dec 07 20:04:50 <Sicelo009N> gawd! had not looked at the source. :/
Dec 07 20:04:58 <KotCzarny> ;)
Dec 07 20:05:12 <KotCzarny> warned you
Dec 07 20:05:37 <Sicelo009N> some people are in jobs they don't deserve
Dec 07 20:22:18 <jonwil> hi
Dec 07 20:26:48 <DocScrutinizer51> maemo urgeently needs an 'expert mode' setup for internet connections' priorities and properties
Dec 07 20:27:52 <DocScrutinizer51> for some weird reason the 3G movistar connection doesn't autoconnect when I leave WLAN range
Dec 07 20:29:35 <Sicelo009N> icd2 unhappy?
Dec 07 20:30:58 <Sicelo009N> mine works fine (generally)
Dec 07 20:31:05 <KotCzarny> same
Dec 07 20:35:27 <DocScrutinizer51> generally works fine for me too. Just not with this movistar 3G roaming
Dec 07 20:36:14 <Sicelo> you've set it to auto-roam? (i of course guess you have?)
Dec 07 20:38:37 <DocScrutinizer51> I think I have
Dec 07 20:38:38 <DocScrutinizer51> need to check
Dec 07 21:00:19 <DocScrutinizer51> another big bummer of maemo: how the hell would I manage to have stereo mp3 music on wired and BT headset concurrently, so me *and* my GF can listen to epic Stranglers songs?
Dec 07 21:01:49 <Sicelo009N> not sure if android would give you that? or ios? :p
Dec 07 21:01:51 <DocScrutinizer51> Nokia in their eternal arrogant wisdom err hybris decided user doesn't need to mess with audio settings
Dec 07 21:02:07 <kerio> ayy pulseaudio lmao
Dec 07 21:02:49 <DocScrutinizer51> pukeau.. err polypaudio? POTTERING
Dec 07 21:04:25 <DocScrutinizer51> ~POETTERING
Dec 07 21:04:42 <DocScrutinizer51> damn bot scheduler
Dec 07 21:12:10 <bencoh> ~poeterring
Dec 07 21:12:13 <bencoh> nah
Dec 07 21:12:17 <bencoh> ~poettering
Dec 07 21:12:28 <bencoh> ah, I see, nevermind :)
Dec 07 21:12:58 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer51: I'm not sure to really get the usecase though
Dec 07 23:35:08 <DocScrutinizer51> usecase of what?
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