**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 05 02:59:58 2016 Jan 05 08:22:58 KotCzarny: I meant that the persons in this channel seem to be both intelligent and to have a good sense of humour. Jan 05 10:53:21 moin :) Jan 05 12:30:14 hi Jan 05 12:33:20 hello Jan 05 13:58:59 can Maemo emulate a USB CD drive? Jan 05 14:06:17 Would be nice Jan 05 17:20:33 Luke-Jr: emulate how? usb gadget? Jan 05 17:38:54 Luke-Jr: Linux kernel does not have support for emulating CD drivers Jan 05 17:39:32 so there is no way to create CD rom device in /dev/ Jan 05 18:11:33 D: Jan 05 18:39:04 Luke-Jr: You can use a physical/real USB device that emulates a USB ODD, such as the Startech S2510BU3ISO . Jan 05 18:57:02 chem|st: it is not your account only to be suspended :). And I bet it is not because you've pissed of enough people. Mine was suspended too, incl developer account. Maybe it is time to close my account on FB. Anyway I am prepering for this for the last 2 or 3 years Jan 05 18:57:45 I thought you already dropped that Jan 05 18:57:50 had* Jan 05 18:58:16 lol Jan 05 18:58:42 the only downside of not having a fb plugin (and no active fb plugin dev) is that I suspect a lot of people might move away from n900 because of that Jan 05 18:59:00 same goes for whatsapp if maemo didn't have yappari Jan 05 19:00:25 well, I am really pissed off, FB closed my account for no particular reason and with no explanation. I really can't continue to support such a behaviour. Jan 05 19:00:40 ah Jan 05 19:00:54 lol2 Jan 05 19:01:22 "You're restricted from creating apps indefinitely." Jan 05 19:01:35 maybe some app went frenzy Jan 05 19:02:00 freemangordon: oh, so you're only prevented from developing but you can still access fb? Jan 05 19:02:07 they're just plain stupid ... Jan 05 19:02:07 the only app I am developer of in n900 app Jan 05 19:02:14 *is Jan 05 19:02:33 maybe you did something wrong (ie. not using some testing account) Jan 05 19:02:50 see, I guess they just screwed it, but this is not an excuse for removing my access to all my applications Jan 05 19:03:00 all == 1 Jan 05 19:03:17 maybe you were accidentally creating it as a new one Jan 05 19:03:26 and thought that you were just updating Jan 05 19:03:45 I dodn;t touch it for months Jan 05 19:03:50 *didn't Jan 05 19:03:54 lol Jan 05 19:04:06 then as i said, maybe your app was misbehaving somehow? Jan 05 19:04:13 also, I *can* log to developers.facebook.com Jan 05 19:04:25 adnc *can* create a new application Jan 05 19:04:30 *and Jan 05 19:04:45 but n900 application is not listed under "my apps" Jan 05 19:05:45 maybe they just disabled/"banned" the app (because they dont like it, or think maemo is a dead platform) Jan 05 19:05:57 (it's still stupid and silly, but ...) Jan 05 19:06:13 Facebook = Faecesbook. Jan 05 19:06:18 doesn;t make sense, as my account was blocked as well Jan 05 19:06:54 also, it seems they upgraded something, as developers.facebook.com ahs a new face, compared to last time I visited it Jan 05 19:07:04 upgraded == broke Jan 05 19:09:12 as i said, something changed in the api, app/developer missed it, chaos ensued Jan 05 19:10:40 s/api/app development process/ Jan 05 19:10:41 KotCzarny meant: as i said, something changed in the app development process, app/developer missed it, chaos ensued Jan 05 19:12:18 usually, it is supposed to send a warning or something, before blocking/suspending accounts Jan 05 19:12:45 if the change that will result in a block is on your side Jan 05 19:12:48 however Jan 05 19:13:56 freemangordon: account is suspended but you can access their dev site? Jan 05 19:14:05 "funny" Jan 05 19:15:33 yes :) Jan 05 19:16:05 well, I can log in, but can;t create application and can't access already created applications :) Jan 05 19:16:38 emulating cd: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2196707 Jan 05 19:28:52 freemangordon: that is what I thought, I guess they killed all Maemo related accounts Jan 05 19:29:00 lol Jan 05 19:29:16 conspiracy? Jan 05 19:29:25 or just deprecated api? Jan 05 19:29:32 chem|st: but why they should do that? Jan 05 19:29:50 (conspiracy intensifies) Jan 05 19:29:51 KotCzarny: no, API is not deprecated, it was migrated to newer version Jan 05 19:30:10 have you tried asking THEM? Jan 05 19:30:17 ask them WHERE? Jan 05 19:30:27 using some other persons words: some Hi-Potential smartass is trying to get attention by hurting his own company! Time to announce this on the Maemo Pages Jan 05 19:30:37 Uhm Jan 05 19:30:43 freemangordon: would you mind to post this to the thread on TMO Jan 05 19:30:44 Wasn't facebook going to deprecate some of their APIs a long time ago? Jan 05 19:31:00 e.g. XMPP/Jabber? Jan 05 19:31:02 Wizzup: were deprecated about an year ago Jan 05 19:31:49 xmpp stopped working about 2 weeks ago. I can;t believe my n900 lasts almost 2 full days without a charge with fb xmpp account removed :) Jan 05 19:31:59 https://developers.facebook.com/bugs/ Jan 05 19:32:01 maybe there? Jan 05 19:32:59 KotCzarny: I reported a problem to FB support on 4th of April 2015, all I got was "Thanks for reporting" Jan 05 19:33:34 treat them as chinese, ask until someone responds what you want to hear Jan 05 19:33:47 chem|st: post what? that my account was suspended and I am restricted from created applications? Jan 05 19:34:29 KotCzarny: no, I won;t, I can live happily without FB, just downloaded all of my info there, will close my account in a couple of days Jan 05 19:34:59 write a saucy goodbye and dont close it so it will be in the google too Jan 05 19:35:22 what happens to closed accounts? are they reachable? Jan 05 19:35:23 who cares, /me not Jan 05 19:35:29 no idea Jan 05 19:43:05 freemangordon: wrote something to the Maemo FB site Jan 05 19:44:53 freemangordon: I cannot get into the app center for good atm Jan 05 19:45:43 posted Jan 05 19:45:58 app center? in the private account? Jan 05 19:46:50 chem|st: because I can access app center in my private account, but cannot access n900 application with my dev account and cannot create a new application Jan 05 19:47:06 maemo fb site? wow, didn't know we had that (and had control over it) Jan 05 19:47:50 I guess "fb page" is the correct term Jan 05 19:48:11 oh, and ... fmg: toldya (about xmpp eating all your battery ;) Jan 05 19:48:36 yeah, you were right Jan 05 19:49:13 n900's just great when you remove polling stuff Jan 05 19:49:25 https://www.facebook.com/Maemo-7855690587/ Jan 05 19:49:26 :) Jan 05 19:50:36 not sure the abrasive post is what we want, but maybe we just no longer care about fb anymore Jan 05 19:50:48 (I for myself dont, but maybe some people still do) Jan 05 19:50:58 i never used fb Jan 05 19:51:14 me neither Jan 05 19:51:22 my personal fb page is only made for spam/freebies purposes Jan 05 19:51:31 * Wizzup has no fb either Jan 05 20:07:29 freemangordon: yeah I can open app center but my apps is empty Jan 05 20:08:23 xmpp doesn't trouble me as far as batteyr :/ Jan 05 20:12:56 chem|st: which N900 apps were you managing? Jan 05 20:14:23 Sicelo: ALL of them :) Jan 05 20:14:31 all 1? Jan 05 20:14:59 Sicelo: I was the only one from board available with a FB account Jan 05 20:15:17 lol Jan 05 20:15:20 I do nothing, know nothing Jan 05 20:18:30 :) Jan 05 20:18:52 the sharing plugin .. we shouldn't have API change on there, should we? Jan 05 20:19:41 can we assume that anything fb related stops working on n900? Jan 05 20:20:13 i know it needed to be passed via review proces (which i had promised to do) ... is t still worth it? freemangordon? Jan 05 20:23:25 Sicelo: without admin access we can't add you as a dev to do the review Jan 05 20:27:28 yeah. hm. Jan 05 20:32:46 Sicelo: you see the crux? Jan 05 20:33:35 Sicelo: befriend me on fb and I'll add you as soon as we get there again Jan 05 20:34:06 chem|st: you think your dev access will be restored? Jan 05 20:34:25 KotCzarny: Not if you include Facebook Web sites accessed in a Web browser. Strictly speaking, the Nokia N900 is a model of computer that can run multiple operating systems in addition to Maemo. You can say that an “N900 proper” runs Maemo but not all N900 run Maemo. Maemo and Nokia Internet Tablet is analogous to Mac OS proper or Mac OS X and Apple Macintosh or Apple’s pre-iOS iPod OS and pre-iPod-Touch iPod. I had an Apple iPod 4G (only because I Jan 05 20:34:26 received it as a gift) but it ran Rockbox instead of Apple’s OS; I had an iPod (hardware) but not an iPod proper. Jan 05 20:35:35 chem|st: who are you on FB? Jan 05 20:36:01 freemangordon: I have friends that can write in proper newspapers small articles about how facebook restricts foss communities from accessing Jan 05 20:36:08 Sicelo: Ruediger Jan 05 20:36:30 looking for you right away Jan 05 20:36:31 brolin: thing is that we still dont have many alternatives (that retain phone part), and without phone part there are superior linux devices available Jan 05 20:36:37 chem|st: ah, yeah :) Jan 05 20:37:06 KotCzarny: not many with this form-factor though Jan 05 20:37:21 (cant' think of any actually) Jan 05 20:37:44 me is gonna be on the tv, yeah :D:D:D Jan 05 20:37:59 Anyone from Denmark here? Jan 05 20:38:22 Jolla should bundle with PSION and release a MX6 with SFOS and cell-modem^^ Jan 05 20:38:23 bencoh, grab allwinner board, add battery and screen, poof! done. Jan 05 20:38:34 hmmp my gmail .. keeps saying messages not available on server .. in modest. :/ Jan 05 20:38:41 KotCzarny: what about battery life? :p Jan 05 20:38:45 Sicelo: install cssu Jan 05 20:38:54 i'm on thumb :) Jan 05 20:38:55 ad keyboard, ergonomy... nah, seriously now :p Jan 05 20:38:57 KotCzarny: on seeedstudio have gsm developerboards popped up before xmas Jan 05 20:39:09 bencoh: you can use any battery you like. 8x 18650? ;) Jan 05 20:39:16 KotCzarny: *meh* :) Jan 05 20:39:16 you can actually build your own (limited) phone Jan 05 20:39:19 just started this evening ... will check tomorrow.. am not home Jan 05 20:39:21 Sicelo: login from desktop and see what has google to say about it Jan 05 20:39:22 KotCzarny: yo know what I meant Jan 05 20:39:56 stryngs: what does it matter? Jan 05 20:39:59 Sicelo: aah, they restrict access from unknown ips Jan 05 20:40:03 bencoh, yeah, it eats plenty in idle (~600-700mA @ 4V) Jan 05 20:40:14 chem|st: Trying to find someone, from there, so they can make a phone call Jan 05 20:40:18 Sicelo: try to open gmail from microb Jan 05 20:40:30 stryngs: to do what? Jan 05 20:40:42 chem|st: Report to a NS provider, they're all jacked up, and to fix it Jan 05 20:40:44 13k+ ddomains Jan 05 20:40:45 vuln Jan 05 20:40:46 etc.. Jan 05 20:41:07 Easier to do via phone, than an email that will get ignored. Jan 05 20:41:12 KotCzarny: I know, those chip aren't meant for mobile use Jan 05 20:41:16 stryngs: send an email, much faster on the serveradmins Jan 05 20:41:19 at least not for daily phones Jan 05 20:41:40 freemangordon: mutt on N900 works.. anyway, will investigate tomorrow and rant here .) Jan 05 20:41:53 bencoh, with big enough battery you can (which is simple to do because its just 2 pins) Jan 05 20:42:00 KotCzarny: .... Jan 05 20:43:08 for a whole day one would need ~30Wh i guess Jan 05 20:43:22 which translates to 4-6 cells Jan 05 20:43:29 so not that much Jan 05 20:44:35 that's pretty sick Jan 05 20:45:02 form factor would be something ~nintento 3DS Jan 05 20:45:07 *nintendo Jan 05 20:45:24 chem|st: too many with your name. can i pm you my username? Jan 05 20:45:36 KotCzarny: I'd rather go for pyra+headphones then, mind you? :p Jan 05 20:46:11 bencoh, sure, though i'm planning to add mini amp and have a portable boombox :P Jan 05 20:46:13 buy the upcoming iphone with no 3.5mm headphone jack :p Jan 05 20:46:19 Sicelo: you find me from the maemo page Jan 05 20:46:28 or here https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153210153685588&id=7855690587 Jan 05 20:47:54 gotcha. thanks Jan 05 20:53:46 :D Jan 05 20:54:10 we will see waht happens, turned my language to english and tried another ticket Jan 05 20:54:18 lol Jan 05 20:54:22 maybe english support staff is not that insane Jan 05 20:55:58 year starts as expected... second day and I had called 3 hotlines wrote several emails to support staff incl but not limited to phone company and facebook. Jan 05 20:57:18 ...and it's only just begun :) Jan 05 20:57:52 err ... :] Jan 05 20:58:18 I wonder if fb is worse than paypal regarding that kind of stuff Jan 05 21:02:16 bencoh: same lvl Jan 05 21:16:15 stryngs: If you are asking because of the cost of making a long-distance telephone call, you can probably use VoIP.ms or a similar/competing service for a VoIP-to-PSTN call. Jan 05 21:19:52 brolin_empey: does that work for country to country? Jan 05 21:24:49 stryngs: What do you mean? You can call a different country than the country you are in. I live in Canada but I can still use the service to call Denmark or any other supported country. See https://voip.ms/rates.php?l=d . Jan 05 21:38:58 stryngs: You can call a landline/wired line in Denmark for less than 2 cents per minute. Calling a mobile/wireless number in Denmark apparently costs at least 19 cents per minute in most cases. Jan 05 21:40:52 No grammar nazi correction that I should say “fewer than” instead of “less than” is necessary (sp?) because I mean “less than” as in the mathematical operator. :-P Jan 05 21:43:23 Cents as in of USD, IIRC. Jan 05 21:45:28 hmmmm Jan 05 22:26:14 fakebook, farcebook Jan 05 22:26:54 who want or needs a weird service developed by a guy I think called suckerberg Jan 05 22:29:01 If someone here has too much free time, it would be funny to try to use a UDF volume on a CD to have the DVD Video file format on a CD instead of a DVD. Jan 05 22:29:13 googlemail, twitter, facebook, whatsapp. "Oh it's for free! great!" - then cry baby since they don't treat you nice. Did you ever hear the old rule "Either you're the customer or you are the product"? Jan 05 22:30:57 a conjugation of the above rule would be: you always pay, either your money, or with your time or your data or your attention Jan 05 22:31:46 only in the first case you have a clear idea of total cost of "ownership" Jan 05 22:36:32 brolin_empey: UDF... do you know if there is fsck for UDF? Jan 05 22:39:58 in case of farcebook and wutsap you pay with your data and own literally nothing in turn Jan 05 22:41:19 you have fb account? you really do not mind that you can be deported to USA? and you agree with it? Jan 05 22:44:24 facebroke, the wet dream of every three letter agency on this globe (even those that have more than 3 letters) Jan 05 22:47:15 I'm already worrying to become looking suspicious by _not_ having a FB account :-// Jan 05 22:47:27 has any agency more than 3 letters? :D Jan 05 22:47:33 mossad Jan 05 22:48:43 maybe only 6 letters in western alphabet, I don't know err even the name of what they write in .il Jan 05 22:49:32 I guess it's not Cyrillic Jan 05 22:49:35 is it? Jan 05 22:50:14 it is Hebrew Jan 05 22:50:19 aaah Jan 05 22:50:25 heard of that before ;-) Jan 05 22:50:39 israel Jan 05 22:51:24 maybe time for another coffee Jan 05 22:53:00 2 letter: Shin Bet Jan 05 22:53:57 though I'm cheating: it's officially called ISA Jan 05 22:54:54 or shabak Jan 05 22:58:33 btw, cutetube2 works great, after cutetube stopped working shortly after I installed it Jan 05 22:58:43 DocScrutinizer05: see this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/4/10712026/facebook-android-research-trust Jan 05 22:59:02 eeew, the title alone makes me puke Jan 05 22:59:26 "Facebook has tested the loyalty and patience of Android users by secretly introducing artificial errors that would automatically crash the app for hours at a time, says one person familiar with the one-time experiment." Jan 05 22:59:42 "The purpose of the test, which happened several years ago, was to see at what threshold would a person ditch the Facebook app altogether." Jan 05 22:59:50 "The company wasn’t able to reach the threshold. "People never stopped coming back," this person says." Jan 05 23:04:32 yeah Jan 05 23:04:50 they can do such stuff Jan 05 23:05:02 and they will, just because they can Jan 05 23:08:12 * DocScrutinizer05 remembers a story told by Dieter Hildebrandt and sees the parallels in that "reality will become what we tell you it is" Jan 05 23:12:56 similar for Big Brother... "He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." Jan 05 23:44:18 https://youtu.be/kNtQ3fmk14M?t=1806 golden Jan 05 23:53:50 (producer planning a TV 'special' about Dieter hildebrandt) producer:"but who plays your part in that movie?" Hildebrandt: "I thought *I* do..." producer:"naaah, you're not the right character" Jan 06 00:09:44 has any agency more than 3 letters? :D” Yes: CSIS in Canada. Jan 06 01:11:52 ETLAA Jan 06 01:12:04 GHCQ Jan 06 01:12:11 Extended Three Letter Acronym Agencies ;-) Jan 06 01:29:47 * brolin_empey wonders if “FSB intel” is ever ambiguous in Russia. Jan 06 01:39:08 Incidentally: Is PATA↔SuperSpeed USB possible in practice? Is there a hardware implementation of such a converter/bridge? Jan 06 01:40:40 I know that SATA↔SuperSpeed USB hardware is commercially available but I wonder if High-speed (480 Mb/s) USB is the fastest possible in practice for PATA? Jan 06 01:43:56 PATA supports up to at least 133 MB (or MiB?)/s so I guess PATA↔SuperSpeed USB has a benefit/advantage in practice over PATA↔High-speed USB. Jan 06 01:47:22 PATA-Modus Ultra-DMA-133 (UDMA 6) up to 133 MB/s Jan 06 01:48:16 ~133*8 Jan 06 01:48:16 1064 Jan 06 01:48:39 1064/480 Jan 06 01:48:44 ~1064/480 Jan 06 01:48:44 2.216666666667 Jan 06 01:48:56 times faster - in theory Jan 06 01:49:30 I rather doubt such fast HDD are still available with PATA interface Jan 06 01:50:28 in the times where PATA was 'state of the art', 480Mb/s were sufficient for the bandwidth of the HDD Jan 06 01:51:44 I wonder what is the fastest PATA transfer mode supported by the IBM ThinkPad 755CD from 1995. My ThinkPad 755CD is currently booting and running from a CompactFlash card but I wonder if a PATA SSD (not CF card) will be faster. Jan 06 01:53:33 DocScrutinizer05: I currently use PATA SSDs (not CF cards) from KingSpec. Jan 06 02:07:13 DocScrutinizer05: I mostly use “KingSpec 2.5" IDE/PATA SSD 32GB KSD-PA25.6-032MS”, which costs around 40 USD on eBay including shipping from one of the two Chinas to Canada, but I have a 128-GB 1.8-inch PATA SSD (KingSpec KSD-CF18.6-128MS) too (in my Dell Latitude X1 fanless 80686 notebook computer). Jan 06 02:48:22 > Eu internet consultation closes soon - dont' forget to submit http://dontwreckthe.net/ Jan 06 02:48:36 (you have to live in eu) just ran into this, dunno whether it's still available Jan 06 02:50:53 svetlana: Presumably you mean EU as in European Union, not Estados Unidos. Jan 06 02:59:03 haha yes.. and I actually think you don't have to live in eu, it has that option **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 06 02:59:58 2016