**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 10 02:59:59 2016 Jan 10 03:19:16 DocScrutinizer05: http://hg.mozilla.org/webtools/mxr Jan 10 03:19:47 timeless: many thanks! Jan 10 03:20:04 the branding is um... dunno, probably availabl Jan 10 03:20:11 depends on whether or not mxr.maemo.org is reachable Jan 10 03:20:21 well, the branding is not THAT important ;-) Jan 10 03:20:44 yeah, it is reachable Jan 10 03:20:56 add timeless.justdave.net as the hosts for mxr.maemo.org and you can reach it Jan 10 03:20:57 if by branding you mean the orange skin and stuff Jan 10 03:21:15 you should be able to clone the mxr config from there Jan 10 03:21:23 great! Jan 10 03:21:52 hg clone http://mxr.maemo.org/ Jan 10 03:21:55 would you be (hypothetically) be interested in helping to set MXR up on maemo.org server infra? Jan 10 03:22:05 as long as you are talking to timeless.justdave.net instead of {nxdomain} Jan 10 03:22:14 i could probably yeah Jan 10 03:22:20 :-)) Jan 10 03:22:31 anyway, that should get you most of the way Jan 10 03:22:38 :nod: Jan 10 03:22:50 in fact, just using a cname should make you fairly happy, afaik the server still works, it's just a missing/bad cname Jan 10 03:23:09 * timeless needs to return to the real world Jan 10 03:23:19 for the (chan) record: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/ Jan 10 03:23:44 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb or something :) Jan 10 03:23:48 adds the cname Jan 10 03:23:51 iirc Jan 10 03:25:13 ta Jan 10 03:30:22 I had ""66.33.208.86 mxr.maemo.org"" in my etc/hosts ;-) Jan 10 03:30:27 fixing it Jan 10 03:32:41 http://i.imgur.com/dhNcSUS.png :-D Jan 10 03:35:12 timeless: alas http://i.imgur.com/DajbLxF.png Jan 10 03:36:04 well, not expecting it's still working. It's however still reachable Jan 10 05:13:09 how to fight injustice,closed source,JavaScript if you block tor :-/ Jan 10 05:13:10 Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. Jan 10 05:13:10 Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel. Jan 10 05:14:22 I use tor because it's not your business who I am and where and what are you reading... Jan 10 05:14:35 I'm not sure anyone is awake Jan 10 05:15:00 Chances are tor or that IP was banned due to abuse Jan 10 05:15:10 So blame whoever abused it Jan 10 05:15:44 abuse of what?)))) Jan 10 05:15:55 The forum I'm guessing(spam?) Jan 10 05:16:13 I spent a lot of time using tor? ))) Jan 10 05:16:24 So? Jan 10 05:16:34 No, someone else used tor and spammed? Jan 10 05:16:36 all of tor is banned. And we had this discussion like 3 times during last 2 weeks already. It's pretty unfortunate and silly that complete *.maemo.org is blocking those IPs, instead of only blocking the login page Jan 10 05:16:37 Or something like that Jan 10 05:17:41 why you need spam? )) this is a group of maemo instead of Windows ,Yes? )) Jan 10 05:18:21 huh? Jan 10 05:18:42 I'm not sure he speaks English very well? Jan 10 05:18:43 [Wed 06 January 2016] [23:28:57] Neo900 is about security. Tor is about security. Neo900 has a subforum on tmo. I have a hard time explaining to Neo900 customers that to access Neo900 subforum (or any other maemo-org page) they must not use Tor Jan 10 05:19:48 we must fight for the spam,closures, javascript codes,fight! I'm for freedom Jan 10 05:19:55 FREEDOM ! Jan 10 05:19:56 [Wed 06 January 2016] [23:24:28] no matter what, it's pretty offensive to READ-block all NAT and NAT-like services' IPs to be found on a RBL from *.maemo.org. And not blocked from registering or identifying to maemo, but blocked from mere *reading* Jan 10 05:21:32 I suggested to limit the IP filtering to only the login page, since non-authenticated visitors can't post Jan 10 05:22:06 alas somebody has to *implement* that Jan 10 05:22:18 DocScrutinizer05: thank you for your understanding Jan 10 05:22:31 yw :-) I'm annoyed by it as well Jan 10 05:24:18 quick question,will there be future neo900 N900 in addition to other smartphones? Jan 10 05:24:20 :) Jan 10 05:24:53 vahe: for now you might try https://ixquick.com/do/search Jan 10 05:25:20 the 'proxy' option there will probably show you each talk.m.o webpage even when you're using Tor Jan 10 05:25:42 vahe: please rephrase your question Jan 10 05:26:25 https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/proxy2? Jan 10 05:26:26 ep=445159455551526c54466752466c73425030306657425964523152594c45454a4b3051514a6d6f4259514a53575155355446735a564630414d45304f43554d314c6e6c38666734584b6874374542733655434e32504359585a325a4453516331414438374d447464435674495a52514b4f6c5a466258686161525a494167453751686756465639644d77525446687361453152526668454b506c5a584e5364494c5638664768776f5755385647513943635159494651344c42676f4a6668454b506c5a564e694e49647774625551557357555951466c4d5643416f66 Jan 10 05:26:28 5745356444454e4a4b4238544b6874474a5467575a52314b4b42733953455156456851664978734d43523856426b4a5950786c444b3068524f7a3447614568554178676f54466752453177584e41514a43777047556846554c41774f4945774c5a33454150515a4e41786839476e6454534852585a53304942424951543170595052455259456c454d484a48526b684d45776b735341744154514e465a4167654130394a42315666626b6764654249424e544d555a41316245776f3747415a41516851414a7751505745396446555145465367766632746342694134656 Jan 10 05:26:29 a39444f546c39476e4a5453585a554a427442423034644141426362455161654552514e5445544f5170645431707547515645536746444d6c704e4130356447466c644b68556163786343596d56424d46304e5246317445414246535152666231684c556b744b566763426130314e6542344159475a444f566b49543178734868734647304644656c3546556b74574f58703166686f4d506873486353634763314d49&epile=4q6n41784r6n41784q5441774r5638314q4335725n586o3q&edata=1d5549d9e643d9c6369c80d7fa315712& Jan 10 05:26:31 ek=62473435643268594o545n32656n4n79563274385n583537595463355748782o5469593256316431&ekdata=1e4f4899e7fe0fd5c1abe577309f2cff Jan 10 05:26:32 ohshit, sorry Jan 10 05:26:58 :D Jan 10 05:27:01 OK :D Jan 10 05:28:59 DocScrutinizer05: except the Nokia N900 and neo900 there are other phones with maemo? Jan 10 05:29:17 prolly not Jan 10 05:29:22 ...yet Jan 10 05:29:56 it might be possible some folks are porting maemo5 to other hardware platforms Jan 10 05:30:58 DocScrutinizer05: I use this search engine https://duckduckgo.com/html/ Jan 10 05:31:36 does it have a proxy function? Jan 10 05:32:22 thml,no javascript :D Jan 10 05:33:14 well, I suggested ixquick because it acts as proxy for you, allowing you to access tmo even from Tor Jan 10 05:33:45 you can even klick links on tmo within proxy and won't leave the proxy Jan 10 05:34:05 you however can NOT enter text strings into the proxied webpage Jan 10 05:34:44 I was also and still have the lock Jan 10 05:34:50 also javascript won't work in the proxied pages Jan 10 05:36:05 I'm not sure I managed to transport the message Jan 10 05:36:10 thanks for the help ,I will find the answers here :) Jan 10 05:38:54 I am from Armenia and bad know English,I freesoftware,open source activist Jan 10 05:39:10 https://ixquick.com/do/search?q=talk.maemo.org go there, then click on the little "Proxy" link right to the talk.maemo.org : http://i.imgur.com/yDhodDq.png Jan 10 05:40:51 this will work also when you use Tor Jan 10 05:40:56 CAPTCHA ,write the code ,but not included Jan 10 05:45:58 aaa Yes Jan 10 05:46:29 turned out,thank you Jan 10 05:46:41 DocScrutinizer05: THANKS Jan 10 05:48:04 I did not correctly ))) Jan 10 05:48:06 :P Jan 10 06:00:36 Vajb: \m/ Jan 10 06:03:32 DocScrutinizer05: pnatd ... needed when N900 for some reason refuses to register to network when you are sure it is there. seems to happen a lot after you've been out of coverage for a long time. when you're back in coverage N900 *may* no longer be 'interested' to connect. It's not a matter of waiting, as even an hour can pass. I explained this in the channel some months ago, and you suggested the pnatd thing (AT+CFUN=0), which has worked from me 100% of Jan 10 06:04:35 :-) Ahh. Jan 10 06:04:46 weird thing the other day Jan 10 06:04:57 I was scheduling an appointment, using my N900 to VNC to my PC Jan 10 06:05:16 and the appointment desk lady asked me what I was using and wrote down the name O.o Jan 10 06:05:35 o.O Jan 10 06:05:59 name of N900, or of VNC? Jan 10 06:06:02 N900 lol Jan 10 06:06:39 you didn't tell her "Neo900"???? Jan 10 06:07:00 ;) Jan 10 06:07:01 well, time flies .. it's not even months .. rather, years: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-10-23.log.html#t2014-10-23T22:09:55 Jan 10 06:07:15 WOW Jan 10 06:07:46 did I already suspect a bug in cellmo firmware back when? Jan 10 06:08:13 DocScrutinizer05: well, I tried to explain to her that this was very old and there were newer devices, but she didn't want to write down those names for some reason lol Jan 10 06:08:14 we didn't talk much about it .. i gather we were in #neo900. have logs for that chan? Jan 10 06:08:56 it's known that radio stack steps down in repetition frequency for network scans until, well, several minutes. But for sure it should search for network at very least once per hour Jan 10 06:09:59 DocScrutinizer05: how's the Neo900 coming along btw? Jan 10 06:10:27 still hassle with finances and orga Jan 10 06:11:08 and I'm still suffering a burnout Jan 10 06:12:06 but we hope we can come up with a working prototype during the next maybe 3 months Jan 10 06:13:08 ...and that this in turn will generate more preorders, so we hit the 'economic feasibility' threshold Jan 10 06:14:07 :x Jan 10 06:15:09 then otoh public interest seems to increase. Dunno if some new snowden files made it to the yellow press or whatever Jan 10 06:16:38 Pyra will probably be done sooner though; seems like the most direct competition Jan 10 06:17:09 unless their phone stuff doesn't work - then that might prove to be a boost for Neo Jan 10 06:17:14 well, Pyra is a tad too large and not really usable as phone anyway, since it has no earbeace to start with Jan 10 06:17:20 earpiece even Jan 10 06:18:22 plus Pyra has no software for phone usage. Since it doesn't run maemo or at least one of the other tailored-for-phone distros like QtMoko or SHR or Jan 10 06:18:24 ... Jan 10 06:19:17 so yes, for sure you can initiate calls with Pyra, but I doubt I would want to try and carry Pyra on me to receive inbound calls Jan 10 06:19:50 Luke-Jr: i dont know if you heard but paypal is holding neo900 group's money with typical paypal shenanigans. Jan 10 06:19:57 :/ Jan 10 06:20:07 :-D Jan 10 06:21:05 ooooh, pyra has no vibrator either ;-) Jan 10 06:21:34 ouch Jan 10 06:22:00 that may be a real killer loss :| Jan 10 06:22:06 and I'm not even sure about the power consumption of Pyra in idle with cellmodem enabled and online Jan 10 06:22:22 I was never impressed by N900 for that Jan 10 06:22:44 wait.. Pyra really has no vibrator? doesn't every recent game platform have a vibrator? O.o Jan 10 06:22:58 no, afaik Pyra has none Jan 10 06:23:37 bleh Jan 10 06:23:56 DocScrutinizer05: sure you don't want to do a non-vapourware iControlPad2? :P Jan 10 06:24:16 ??? Jan 10 06:24:45 DocScrutinizer05: keyboard+case that attaches to any old phone Jan 10 06:24:57 hmmm Jan 10 06:25:05 s/old/new :p Jan 10 06:25:30 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703567677/icontrolpad-2-the-open-source-controller Jan 10 06:25:49 no, I think just a kbd is not tempting to me, and prolly neither to enough other customers Jan 10 06:26:54 Neo900 is maemo plus kbd plus resistive awsome-screen plus our very unique maximum tamper-safe improvements Jan 10 06:28:06 I wouldn't want a $random-phone plus iControlPad2, when TLAs are the ones who actually take control over my phone. I wouldn't take it as a gift Jan 10 06:29:33 N900 had a relatively decent separation of modem and APE. None of the recent smartphones does Jan 10 06:30:07 incl Jolla Jan 10 06:32:52 maybe a Pyra Phone Edition fork then? <.< Jan 10 06:33:21 that's what STEP2 is meant to be Jan 10 06:33:54 I got a pretty long term evolution plan for all this stuff Jan 10 06:34:22 ah Jan 10 06:34:34 and step one in this plan is to produce a N900 clone and port maemo to it, as a test case Jan 10 06:34:44 step two is STEP2 Jan 10 06:35:21 which is a phone with a OMAP5 and a larger screen Jan 10 06:35:37 with kbd and r-ts Jan 10 06:36:20 unless we find something even smarter (for an idea about that, think laser image of kbd HID) Jan 10 06:36:56 not that I'd consider those laser projected 'keyboards' really useful for that usecase Jan 10 06:38:39 and of course STEP2 also comes without OS, we will follow the concept toprovide the hardware and info so community can develop all of the needed software Jan 10 06:38:54 sort of the exact opposite of Jolla Jan 10 06:40:24 Jolla tried to make money from software development, getting the hardware from arbitrary subcontractor. We sell hardware and don't care about software, just make sure that *any* software can get ported to our hardware since it's _open_ hardware (open in documentation) Jan 10 06:40:44 as well as open in bootloader etc Jan 10 06:40:55 no ticoization Jan 10 06:41:04 tivoization even Jan 10 06:41:41 N900 was reasonably open, alas N9 was already tivoized Jan 10 06:41:48 and so is Jolla Jan 10 06:41:52 basically Jan 10 06:49:51 * Maxdamantus wonders if he could just get one of those larger backplates and stick a pi zero inside. Jan 10 08:16:12 Sicelo: after reading that backlog i realise that ur problem was bit different. I lost whole gsm/3g connectivity not just gprs. But at+cfun fixes it. It must be as deep restart of modem as restar of device is since it was asking also pin. Jan 10 08:40:53 DocScrutinizer05: of course pyra has a vibration motor Jan 10 08:42:48 ooh, didn't know Jan 10 08:44:17 I admit I forgot most of the details from proofreading an early schematics of Pyra Jan 10 08:45:17 tbh the only thing that'd prevent it from being my phone is the form-factor Jan 10 08:45:42 n900 is "big", pyra is "huge" Jan 10 08:50:27 Vajb: i also get that too :) Jan 10 09:55:02 good morning or whatever it is in your timezone Jan 10 09:56:00 i now have a bunch of deb files from my navit compilation, which i've done by ssh'ing into maemo sdk vm Jan 10 09:56:39 then i have installed them with dpkg under armel target, everything went without errors Jan 10 09:57:24 then i have clicked at maemo sdk icon on the vm desktop, emulator xephyr screen appeared Jan 10 09:57:52 but i do not see my application icon anywhere Jan 10 09:58:50 after a few clicks here and there, app manager began searching for updates, and i was unable to stop it Jan 10 09:59:03 just closed the xephyr window Jan 10 09:59:52 now my sb seems to be broken again: fakeroot spt-get install cmake says no package Jan 10 10:00:01 *apt-get Jan 10 10:00:34 fakeroot apt-get update downloaded a bunch of package indexes Jan 10 10:01:27 then fakeroot apt-get install cmake says there are lots of unmet dependencies Jan 10 10:02:26 i guess i broke it the same way as i done the day before yesterday Jan 10 10:02:40 maybe Jan 10 10:03:18 is there some magic way to recover besides starting from fresh vm image? Jan 10 10:04:02 check your apt config Jan 10 10:04:49 ha, no /etc/apt/preferences Jan 10 10:05:32 your sources.list is probably broken as well Jan 10 10:05:49 tryagain: afaik ARM emulation is broken with xefyr Jan 10 10:05:53 missing preferences wouldn't explain the cmake/no package error Jan 10 10:05:58 freemangordon: ah? Jan 10 10:06:04 *xephyr Jan 10 10:06:18 you can;t boot arm maemo in SDK, only z86 Jan 10 10:06:22 shit! Jan 10 10:06:24 hmm Jan 10 10:06:27 *x86 Jan 10 10:06:50 and sources.list is the same as it was yesterday before i applied bencoh's suggested sources.list settings Jan 10 10:06:50 what works is aemu image qith Qt SDK Jan 10 10:07:06 * freemangordon needs to finish his coffee first :) Jan 10 10:07:07 tryagain: check apt-cache policy Jan 10 10:07:31 it's not the sb supplied sources.list, it's my modified file restored from somewhere Jan 10 10:08:44 i guess i'll just reapply the changes Jan 10 10:09:24 tryagain: try adding your repositories to a file in sources.list.d/ Jan 10 10:09:33 tryagain: maybe upload .debs somewhere, so someone who has device to test them Jan 10 10:09:35 instead of modifying sources.list Jan 10 10:10:32 ah, sure Jan 10 10:15:54 i think i begin understanding sb. When I clicked the SDK icon, it switched my environment to x86. So now my ssh with armel is no more actually related to armel target. Jan 10 10:16:43 i should have logged out from sb before launching xephyr icon Jan 10 10:17:41 ha, even command prompt is now changed to x86 Jan 10 10:20:26 ah Jan 10 10:20:56 logging out and in, then selecting armel target seems to have fixed it Jan 10 10:21:54 yesterday' sources.list and preferences are in place. And cmake successfully installed Jan 10 10:26:07 a `pwd` gives it away Jan 10 10:26:30 err well not really since it's a 'chroot' Jan 10 10:28:03 in sb `>42findme`. In host PC a `find /scratchbox -name 43findme -ls` Jan 10 10:28:29 s/43/42/ Jan 10 10:28:29 DocScrutinizer05 meant: in sb `>42findme`. In host PC a `find /scratchbox -name 42findme -ls` Jan 10 10:28:55 errr.... that's ugly :p Jan 10 10:28:59 you'll be amated about the path Jan 10 10:29:11 meh! coffetime Jan 10 10:29:17 amazed Jan 10 10:29:27 DocScrutinizer05: lsof -n on host? :) Jan 10 10:29:57 hmm, well. That could tend to be a few 100 or even 1000 of lines Jan 10 10:29:59 (if you really want to know about which directory is used) Jan 10 10:31:49 unless you do in sb `cat >42findme`. In host PC lsof -n | grep 42findme Jan 10 10:32:30 wait, what? no, you dont need to cat to any file, your shell already holds a fd to current dir Jan 10 10:32:45 (scratchbox shell, I mean) Jan 10 10:34:18 and you think scratchbox shell sees the full pathname of host? interesting and possibly correct approach Jan 10 10:35:00 dang, no chroot active here to test :-) Jan 10 10:35:39 nevertheless a lsof is quite lengthy Jan 10 10:35:56 dunno Jan 10 10:36:04 how would you find the interesting lines in that noise? Jan 10 10:37:04 |grep scratchbox or something like that I guess Jan 10 10:37:05 dunno was at "and you think..."? It makes sense since lsof uses kernel info Jan 10 10:37:30 scratchbox bash cwd shows up /scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/navit-cmake/build Jan 10 10:37:36 /dev is a bindmount into sb chroot iirc Jan 10 10:38:03 /scratchbox/users might be shared by both targets anyway Jan 10 10:38:06 wow Jan 10 10:38:43 scratchbox is a mess Jan 10 10:38:52 yeah, raght Jan 10 10:38:56 *right Jan 10 10:39:02 hehe, like every chroot and then some on top Jan 10 10:39:48 I mean, it seems to be a chroot in which you run qemu, right? Jan 10 10:40:11 virtually, yes Jan 10 10:40:26 just with a lot of hacks on top to play nice with the toolchain Jan 10 10:40:36 yeah, that too Jan 10 10:41:16 (and binfmt_misc to launch qemu on-the-go) Jan 10 10:41:29 yay Jan 10 10:42:56 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks Jan 10 10:43:41 http://paste.opensuse.org/522490 Jan 10 10:45:05 everyone needs binfmt to start init, riiight? :p Jan 10 10:45:29 fsck systemd Jan 10 10:50:33 damn, cmake just segfaults Jan 10 10:50:43 oO Jan 10 10:51:19 and backtrace is #0 0x00178fa0 in ?? () Jan 10 10:53:26 yeah, sb hacks run deep Jan 10 10:54:54 looks like no debug info Jan 10 10:55:07 tryagain: self compiled cmake? Jan 10 10:56:25 actually I wonder if cmake is a arm binary and what gdb does with a arm binary Jan 10 10:57:36 /usr/bin/cmake: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped Jan 10 10:57:39 so yes it is Jan 10 10:57:55 stripped, mhm Jan 10 10:58:04 yeah, that too Jan 10 10:58:25 cmake runs here, but I haven't tried it on navit Jan 10 10:58:41 cmake runs fine in sb, i've compiled few projects with it for arm Jan 10 10:58:44 (n900) Jan 10 10:58:54 err wut, you think it segfaults because of the source to compile? Jan 10 11:00:01 maybe that sb-image is broken somehow (i always install sb/sdk with two scripts from sdk) Jan 10 11:00:02 I'd think cmake wouldn't even touch navit Jan 10 11:00:26 or does it? Jan 10 11:01:26 nfc about cmake, I only know make Jan 10 11:02:16 Pali: what is the correct way to restore CAL from mtd1ro freom here http://46.249.74.23/maemo/mtd1ro ? Jan 10 11:02:52 as onenand but finally managed to ruin CAL Jan 10 11:02:55 *bug Jan 10 11:02:56 freemangordon: why do you need to rewrite/restore mtd1ro? Jan 10 11:03:04 ah Jan 10 11:03:20 do you have backup of original mtd1ro from that phone? Jan 10 11:03:23 mtdutils? Jan 10 11:03:23 hmm, wait, maybe it has recovered after flashing Jan 10 11:03:51 Pali: yes, remember I sent it to you to check it re osso-product-info, it is still on my web server :) Jan 10 11:04:03 KotCzarny cmake from repos Jan 10 11:04:15 ah, right, I have it too in /tmp (tmpfs) on laptop Jan 10 11:04:17 freemangordon: try mtd_debug write Jan 10 11:04:26 correct way is to use nandwrite Jan 10 11:04:27 tryagain, to be sure grab some other cmake based project and try compiuling Jan 10 11:04:29 i run gdb on core file Jan 10 11:04:32 *compilibg Jan 10 11:04:35 drat Jan 10 11:04:39 too early Jan 10 11:04:54 freemangordon: nandwrite Jan 10 11:05:12 I can test your mtd1ro dump on laptop in nandsim Jan 10 11:05:15 KotCzarny do you have some working cmake projects samples handy? Jan 10 11:05:16 hmm, it boots after reflash, lets see if there is still MAC addresses Jan 10 11:05:26 tryagain: wildmidi ? Jan 10 11:05:29 nandwrite has more fancy options Jan 10 11:05:30 Pali: besides MACs there is nothing useful in there, right? Jan 10 11:05:32 so I could tell also which params are for nandwrite Jan 10 11:05:40 its small enough, needs some cmakefile.txt fixing but its trivial Jan 10 11:05:47 freemangordon: there are calibration data for WIFI Jan 10 11:05:54 ah Jan 10 11:06:03 there is partition table of NAND Jan 10 11:06:10 freemangordon: there's quite a bit of stuff in CAL Jan 10 11:06:12 used by NOLO and Nokia kernel Jan 10 11:06:14 https://github.com/Mindwerks/wildmidi.git Jan 10 11:06:23 clone this Jan 10 11:06:41 there is phone-info block with IMEI and HW revision (and other unknown number) Jan 10 11:06:58 there are calibration data for BME Jan 10 11:07:10 regulatory data for fmtx Jan 10 11:07:16 and a history of all flashed systems Jan 10 11:07:20 ;-) Jan 10 11:07:22 hmm, settings->about product gives me MACs and IMEI, I guess it has recovered somehow Jan 10 11:07:39 and there is also other bb5 certificates Jan 10 11:07:52 correct? Jan 10 11:07:56 I guess it should. You told me cat /dev/mtd1ro worked Jan 10 11:08:08 that was a weeek ago Jan 10 11:08:19 freemangordon: create new mtd1ro dump and compare with old version Jan 10 11:08:29 pali: can one flash mtd1ro to different phone (with broken settings), i know its calibration data, but would it work? Jan 10 11:08:32 hmm, yes Jan 10 11:08:37 :-D Jan 10 11:09:01 KotCzarny: nobody tested it yet (or at least I do not know...) Jan 10 11:09:11 ok, wifi connects too Jan 10 11:09:17 I guess I am lucky Jan 10 11:09:39 I tried nanddump and compared to `cat`, there was no difference Jan 10 11:09:57 so all the fancy parameters are prolly not needed Jan 10 11:10:15 nandwrite needs them Jan 10 11:10:37 well, nanddump and nandwrite are siblings Jan 10 11:11:06 but nandwrite needs info on what tipe of flash it works, iirc Jan 10 11:11:10 prolly you need the same parameters in nandwrite which you used to create the dump with nanddump Jan 10 11:11:11 *type Jan 10 11:12:28 on a raw dump you need nandwrite --oob Jan 10 11:13:54 or you used --omitoob and --omitbad on nanddump Jan 10 11:14:34 a plain cat /dev/mtd1 >nand.dump always contains bad blocks and oob Jan 10 11:14:52 afaik Jan 10 11:15:43 "cat /dev/mtd1ro > mtd1ro" should be equivalent of "nanddump -i -o -b -f mtd1ro /dev/mtd1ro" Jan 10 11:15:53 :nod: Jan 10 11:16:00 err wut? Jan 10 11:16:13 prolly nope Jan 10 11:16:48 why? Jan 10 11:17:06 I think a cat reads bad blocks and oob Jan 10 11:17:17 do it and compare Jan 10 11:17:18 no Jan 10 11:17:23 hmm ok Jan 10 11:19:16 ooh, I did no nanddump, I only did a mtd_debug_read_mtd1_0_0x60000.bin Jan 10 11:19:50 and that is identical to a dd_if=mtd1ro.bin Jan 10 11:20:05 I should compare both to a nanddump Jan 10 11:20:32 I have that mtd1ro from freemangordon, see this: Jan 10 11:20:44 since nanddump definitely is supposed to dump bad and oob blocks Jan 10 11:20:54 sudo nandwrite /dev/mtd1 mtd1ro && sudo cat /dev/mtd1ro > mtd1ro.dump && sha256sum mtd1ro mtd1ro.dump Jan 10 11:20:59 7167e9feb05de056d650be6bccef55bba690ad4d76d8059ac73e06d9d1915ff9 mtd1ro Jan 10 11:21:03 7167e9feb05de056d650be6bccef55bba690ad4d76d8059ac73e06d9d1915ff9 mtd1ro.dump Jan 10 11:21:19 (done via nandsim on laptop) Jan 10 11:21:51 why is there mtd1 and mtd1ro anyway? Jan 10 11:22:12 on /tmp/ Jan 10 11:22:18 hmm, this doesn't tell much? or I'm in severe need of a coffee Jan 10 11:23:52 could you do a nanddump -f mtd1ro.dump2; sha256sum mtd1ro.dump mtd1ro.dump2 Jan 10 11:24:34 looks like my nanddump on laptop does not accept -i param Jan 10 11:24:54 so going to look what version we have on n900 and why it has -i Jan 10 11:24:56 KotCzarny hm, crashing on wildmidi too. I have removed that apple if()..endif() paragraph to get rid of parse error. But it segfauts right after -- Check for working C compiler: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc Jan 10 11:25:18 well, why do you need -i? Jan 10 11:25:27 maybe i need a fresh vm again Jan 10 11:25:44 have to go now, will be afk for a few hours Jan 10 11:25:44 it is ued in 0xFFFF for dumping mtd content and patch some images to FIASCO format Jan 10 11:25:51 -i --ignoreerrors Ignore errors Jan 10 11:25:56 (in maemo version) Jan 10 11:26:21 static bool ignoreerrors = false; // ignore errors Jan 10 11:26:36 aah --ignoreerrors very good. Yes Jan 10 11:26:43 ignoreerrors = true; Jan 10 11:26:56 funny in whole code is only assignment to that variable Jan 10 11:27:03 no check Jan 10 11:27:05 LOL Jan 10 11:27:11 so it is useless :-) Jan 10 11:27:33 maybe reason why on laptop (where I have new version of nanddump) there is no -i param Jan 10 11:27:36 there are no errors to ignore ;-) Jan 10 11:28:38 removing -i from 0xFFFF call as it is useless and non working with new nanddump version Jan 10 11:28:41 -n --noecc Read without error correction Jan 10 11:30:10 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/dd_if=mtd1ro.bin http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mtd_debug_read_mtd1_0_0x60000.bin Jan 10 11:30:18 $ sudo nanddump -o -b -f mtd1ro.dump2 /dev/mtd1ro --> nanddump: error!: mtd_get_dev_info failed Jan 10 11:30:23 no output :-( Jan 10 11:30:34 tzzz Jan 10 11:31:10 maybe you should tell it about offset and length Jan 10 11:31:20 and use /dev/mtd Jan 10 11:32:07 0xFFFF uses snprintf(command, size, "nanddump -o -b -s %d -l %d -f %s /dev/mtd%dro", offset, length, file, mtd) Jan 10 11:32:17 and this I tested more times on N900 and it is working Jan 10 11:32:27 (now without -i :)) Jan 10 11:33:46 well, offset of mtd1? which is always 0 Jan 10 11:34:04 or offset of mtd1 in mtd? Jan 10 11:35:38 for dumping mtd1 from /dev/mtd1ro the offset is 0 Jan 10 11:35:40 DocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF/blob/master/src/local.c#L253-L292 Jan 10 11:35:42 see Jan 10 11:35:55 it is offset where other images starts Jan 10 11:36:32 e.g. kernel does not start on offset 0x0 on /dev/mtd3 but at offset 0x800 Jan 10 11:36:45 hmm yes Jan 10 11:36:46 because before kernel image is NOLO header Jan 10 11:37:04 and for mtd1 aka CAL the offset is always 0 Jan 10 11:37:16 yes, CAL is without NOLO header Jan 10 11:37:30 obviously ;-) Jan 10 11:39:26 well, anyway if you say a `cat /dev/mtd1ro` does NOT dump oob and bad blocks, so where from would nanddump get those oob and bad blocks when dumping /dev/mtd1ro? Jan 10 11:40:27 DocScrutinizer05: nanddump does not use read() syscall Jan 10 11:40:35 but rather some ioctl() Jan 10 11:40:57 is there some weird magic in nanddump which determines offset of mtd1 partition in mtd and then uses /dev/mtd? Jan 10 11:41:05 aaah, ok Jan 10 11:41:19 no, nanddump uses /dev/mtd1 (not /dev/mtd) Jan 10 11:41:24 thanks a lot :-) Jan 10 11:41:35 this is reason why I used nanddump in 0xFFFF instead implementing that ioctl magic Jan 10 11:41:41 it is safer Jan 10 11:41:59 *nod* Jan 10 11:43:43 ok, so you're most likely right that a cat does not read bad blocks and oob Jan 10 11:54:40 tryagain: then something is up with your sb install Jan 10 11:57:29 cats don't read at all Jan 10 11:57:30 huehue Jan 10 11:58:52 kerio: http://i.imgur.com/HYwCj.jpg Jan 10 12:00:57 KotCzarny: For the love of dogma? Jan 10 12:05:47 hey, I attempted to change the repos using the link in that thing that was supposed to automatically install them Jan 10 12:05:55 the repos didnt' install, from the wiki Jan 10 12:05:58 and now mms has fucked up Jan 10 12:06:03 when it worked perfectly before Jan 10 12:06:27 fMMS Jan 10 12:06:42 it was working with no flaws now it can't send or recieve messages Jan 10 12:06:43 which autoinstall link? Jan 10 12:07:08 there are two links for the mirrors Jan 10 12:07:21 that you click on and it's supposed to automatically install the repos Jan 10 12:07:25 in the wiki Jan 10 12:07:31 after that, fMMS doesn't work Jan 10 12:08:25 you know that by clicking random things without knowing what you need to do you can end up with bad config? Jan 10 12:08:27 also none of the repos work, I don't know how to diagnose why Jan 10 12:08:35 it's in the WIKI Jan 10 12:08:43 yes, but did you read descriptions? Jan 10 12:08:46 it's in the maemo wiki Jan 10 12:08:50 These two are an alternative mirror, the same as the two above: Jan 10 12:08:57 yes it said click on this to autoinstall Jan 10 12:09:13 whatever, why would those repos cause fMMS to stop working? Jan 10 12:10:17 i guess you have conflicting repositories and you did upgrade without checking what is going to be done and something got even more broken Jan 10 12:10:58 ok what "something" though Jan 10 12:11:22 yes I probably have conflicting repositories, those don't have anything to do with fMMS Jan 10 12:11:30 it uses pxt settings Jan 10 12:11:43 fishbulb: could it be that eMMC got corrupted? Jan 10 12:12:00 what? Jan 10 12:12:06 how Jan 10 12:12:18 could you start fmms from the terminal, to see what error it spits Jan 10 12:12:27 ok wait Jan 10 12:13:14 what is it called? Jan 10 12:13:21 fmms? Jan 10 12:13:28 no Jan 10 12:13:36 well, something in /opt Jan 10 12:13:37 apparently not Jan 10 12:13:42 lemme check Jan 10 12:13:48 oh fucking hell Jan 10 12:14:10 I really really need this right now! Jan 10 12:14:30 I wouldn't have thought clicking a link on the maemo wiki was unsafe Jan 10 12:14:41 clicking is not unsafe Jan 10 12:14:47 which link and why would it be unsafe? Jan 10 12:14:56 doing system upgrades with messed sources list is Jan 10 12:14:56 the link to install the repo mirrors Jan 10 12:15:08 who said I upgraded anything Jan 10 12:15:36 fishbulb: try /opt/fmms/fmms_gui.pyc Jan 10 12:15:55 fishbulb: they're just mirrors, and they justwork(tm), nobody reported anything about it (?) Jan 10 12:16:15 why are you blaming me? those mirrors were on the fucking wiki Jan 10 12:16:23 fishbulb, because clicking the link would start package manager, and it might have offered you to upgrade system Jan 10 12:16:24 I'm not blaming you Jan 10 12:16:38 fishbulb: fishbulb: try /opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py , without 'c' at the end Jan 10 12:16:40 fishbulb, but what else is in your sources? Jan 10 12:17:01 no idea Jan 10 12:17:18 yeah fmms starts up fine, but now it can't download the mms I was just sent Jan 10 12:17:26 and it didn't send the 3 I sent before Jan 10 12:17:43 I'm not sure why, the vodafone settings are still in there Jan 10 12:18:00 it says "downloading mms" then "operation failed" Jan 10 12:18:08 when was the last time you've send mms'? Jan 10 12:18:38 last night Jan 10 12:18:40 actually Jan 10 12:18:44 weird Jan 10 12:19:01 did you try a reboot? as fmmsd sometimes got stuck Jan 10 12:19:25 I recieved some perfectly after that repo thing didn't work Jan 10 12:19:47 fishbulb: ^^^ Jan 10 12:19:57 yeah I just reset it a couple of times Jan 10 12:20:01 hey the terminal spat some shit out Jan 10 12:20:12 pastebin it Jan 10 12:20:50 what? how Jan 10 12:20:53 I'm on my computer not my phone Jan 10 12:21:06 I don't know how to get this crap off my phone Jan 10 12:21:25 fishbulb: do you have openssh installed? Jan 10 12:21:25 shitshit Jan 10 12:21:30 this is costing me Jan 10 12:21:40 I think so I'm not sure Jan 10 12:21:51 can't I use the usb link somehow? Jan 10 12:22:12 man this is also my only camera so I can't take photo of the screen Jan 10 12:22:27 2 mirrors Jan 10 12:22:47 +STOPIFACE=/sbin/ifconfig gprs0 down Jan 10 12:23:04 + /sbin/ifconfig gprs0 down Jan 10 12:23:11 + exit 0 Jan 10 12:23:23 ^^ that seems relevant Jan 10 12:23:40 do you have some kind of "autodisconnect" shit? Jan 10 12:24:02 then mavodi-0-89-40-3-22b-0-0-2-22b-4269c4 Jan 10 12:24:24 then some stuff about the attachment Jan 10 12:24:32 no there's no autodisconnect stuff Jan 10 12:24:41 fMMS is set to "havoc" and that has worked Jan 10 12:24:50 yeah, should work Jan 10 12:25:00 I know, it should Jan 10 12:25:06 but it's not? Jan 10 12:25:46 try "/opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py fmms.log 2>&1" Jan 10 12:26:03 I'm resetting the phone Jan 10 12:26:04 watit Jan 10 12:26:18 the command is "/opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py > fmms.log 2>&1" Jan 10 12:26:29 that's ok it's still rebooting Jan 10 12:26:39 that should redirect all messages to fmms.log file Jan 10 12:27:38 if you execute that command from a dir somewhere in /home/user/MyDocs you should be able to get that file when connected via usb mass storage Jan 10 12:27:52 just make sure you don;t have usb cable connected when executing it Jan 10 12:28:01 as it will unmount MyDocs Jan 10 12:28:52 syntax error Jan 10 12:28:56 bad fd number Jan 10 12:28:59 you could also ssh over usb, by the way Jan 10 12:29:09 bencoh: it is harder Jan 10 12:29:16 is that a 1 or l Jan 10 12:29:21 oh 1 Jan 10 12:29:27 it is "one" Jan 10 12:29:55 so every problem will be logged Jan 10 12:30:16 every output from what you execute Jan 10 12:30:19 ok I got the mms, it tried to download, and I'll just give you that error Jan 10 12:31:04 ok Jan 10 12:32:15 ok I tried to send a few, and it said "message sent" but the person never got them Jan 10 12:32:19 I'll give you the log now? Jan 10 12:32:28 please be discrete if it contains phone numbers Jan 10 12:32:42 sure Jan 10 12:32:49 uh, will it? Jan 10 12:32:57 no idea Jan 10 12:33:22 I think I better look at the log Jan 10 12:33:27 where is it? Jan 10 12:33:30 never looked at what fmms gui spits. I am using mms once every 3 years :D Jan 10 12:33:42 in the directory you've executed the command in Jan 10 12:33:50 this is my main phone, I use it all the time Jan 10 12:33:57 it's the only way this thing will send photos Jan 10 12:34:03 my n900 too, I just don;t use mms Jan 10 12:34:17 fishbulb: comeon. you can send mails Jan 10 12:34:28 dude, normal people use mms Jan 10 12:34:45 it's easiest for them to use that Jan 10 12:34:53 dude, no idea about normal people, I use mails when I have to send a picture Jan 10 12:35:03 MOST PEOPLE Jan 10 12:35:05 mss does resizing Jan 10 12:35:09 with a phone Jan 10 12:35:12 *mms Jan 10 12:35:12 yeah probably Jan 10 12:35:23 not probably Jan 10 12:35:28 100% sure Jan 10 12:35:30 this is a shitty hack, I'm frustrated at the phone, not you Jan 10 12:35:32 hang on Jan 10 12:35:39 I noticed that it does in the settings Jan 10 12:36:21 last (and first) time I tried to use fmms (because the other person needed to send me some mms (or whatsapp ...)), it just didnt work Jan 10 12:36:25 um yeah man the log file isn't there Jan 10 12:36:33 bencoh: it works Jan 10 12:36:39 fishbulb: WHERE? Jan 10 12:36:57 ./opt/fmms/ Jan 10 12:37:08 bencoh: it is tricky to be setup and doesn't like some MNOs, but most of the time it works Jan 10 12:37:25 freemangordon: I'm sure it does, it was probably serviceprovider-related Jan 10 12:37:37 (and/or I didnt set everything properly) Jan 10 12:37:42 (and/or both) Jan 10 12:37:44 fishbulb: in which directory you were when you executed the command? Jan 10 12:37:53 oh. shit. no idea? Jan 10 12:38:04 you just started the terminal and executed it? Jan 10 12:38:12 yes Jan 10 12:38:15 why wouldn't I do that Jan 10 12:38:20 it is in /home/user then Jan 10 12:38:43 yupo Jan 10 12:38:47 what do I open it with Jan 10 12:38:58 fishbulb: text editor Jan 10 12:39:15 or do cat fmms.log | more Jan 10 12:40:26 oh what the fucking hell Jan 10 12:40:41 it can't resolve pxt-get.vodafone.net.au Jan 10 12:41:40 there are TONS of things it can't do apparently Jan 10 12:41:43 how do I copy this Jan 10 12:42:08 can't resolve pxt.vodafone.net.au Jan 10 12:42:09 does it use the rigt APN? Jan 10 12:42:15 copy to where? PC? Jan 10 12:42:26 fishbulb: ^^^ Jan 10 12:42:26 does it use ANY APN? Jan 10 12:42:28 is this anything to do with those fucking repos Jan 10 12:42:35 hardly Jan 10 12:42:37 what do you mean any apn Jan 10 12:42:44 why is this doing this now Jan 10 12:42:51 I mean can you browse the internet Jan 10 12:43:07 when connected to GPRS that is Jan 10 12:43:14 wait Jan 10 12:43:23 http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings doesnt say anyting about pxt-get, btw. strange Jan 10 12:44:11 yes it browses the internet still fine Jan 10 12:44:26 and no, unless you (re)installed/upgraded something that would play with your phone/data settings, this has nothing to do with the repos Jan 10 12:44:44 ok, then no, I didn't do that Jan 10 12:44:59 unless the application manager did some weird shit when I started it Jan 10 12:45:04 I NEVER use application manager Jan 10 12:45:12 I use fapman Jan 10 12:45:17 OH MY!# Jan 10 12:45:21 ~speedyham Jan 10 12:45:21 i guess speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Jan 10 12:45:23 ~fapman Jan 10 12:45:23 hmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam Jan 10 12:45:57 regarding speedyham it should be noted that it requires cssu Jan 10 12:46:04 yeah well, fapman has zero repos in it now Jan 10 12:46:13 and whatever the hell application manager has Jan 10 12:46:14 doesn't work Jan 10 12:46:25 which doesn't matter, I don't need to install anything, I need to send and recieve photos Jan 10 12:46:38 how do I get this log to someone who can use it? Jan 10 12:46:41 you need to contact a DNS server Jan 10 12:46:54 what? I'm browsing the web fine Jan 10 12:47:00 with the device, through gprs Jan 10 12:47:19 fishbulb: mms uses different connection Jan 10 12:47:28 ok yeah it does Jan 10 12:47:32 fishbulb: double-check your mms settings in fmms Jan 10 12:47:41 why would they have changed Jan 10 12:47:46 and how could they possibly have changed? Jan 10 12:47:55 curl --upload-file fmms.log https://transfer.sh/fmms.log.txt Jan 10 12:47:55 that bullshit I clicked on in the wiki? Jan 10 12:47:56 vodafone could have changed them Jan 10 12:48:16 no vodafone didn't randomly change the same settings that have always worked, as far as I know Jan 10 12:48:36 fishbulb: it's a pain to try and help you. every second word is bitching about stuff that we all *know* is unrelated Jan 10 12:48:37 and just coincided with you clicking on that wiki link Jan 10 12:48:41 fishbulb: clicking the link started application manager, which in turn reset sources list to its own config and probably thats why fapman comes out empty Jan 10 12:48:43 KotCzarny: uploading sensible/private info to a public server? no way Jan 10 12:49:13 fishbulb: move that file to /home/user/Mydocs Jan 10 12:49:18 I don't know that it's unrelated Jan 10 12:49:21 then connect via USB Jan 10 12:49:34 then copy the file on your PC Jan 10 12:49:42 I removed the repos from fapman becuase they were old and came up with nothing Jan 10 12:49:46 it is up to you how to move it further Jan 10 12:50:03 it is /home/user/MyDocs Jan 10 12:50:14 case is important Jan 10 12:50:21 DocScrutinizer05: :nod: Jan 10 12:52:06 cannot preserve ownership of _____BLAHBLAH____ operation not permitted Jan 10 12:52:23 what's rename Jan 10 12:52:25 in terminal Jan 10 12:52:28 mv Jan 10 12:53:06 you can ignore that ownership error Jan 10 12:53:26 fmg, why isnt vfat mounted with quiet by default? Jan 10 12:53:30 fishbulb: "mv fmms.log /home/user/MyDocs/" Jan 10 12:53:46 KotCzarny: in cssu? Jan 10 12:53:52 is there likely to be anything sensitive in this log file Jan 10 12:53:56 I couldn't really see anything Jan 10 12:54:02 fmg, apparently in stock (didnt check cssu) Jan 10 12:54:08 fishbulb: you have it, just open it and check Jan 10 12:54:22 KotCzarny: no idea, you should ask Nokia about that :p Jan 10 12:54:26 I don't think there's anything Jan 10 12:55:49 um Jan 10 12:55:53 where is it? Jan 10 12:56:01 I'm using debian Jan 10 12:56:04 I can't find mydocs Jan 10 12:56:14 there wont be Jan 10 12:56:19 it is the root dir of mass storage device Jan 10 12:56:22 whole mydocs is mounted Jan 10 12:56:23 it's called MyDocs Jan 10 12:56:39 DocScrutinizer05: when connected in mass-storage mode Jan 10 12:56:46 yeah the file isn't in there Jan 10 12:56:58 the you did something wrong Jan 10 12:57:01 *then Jan 10 12:57:04 is it mounted on pc at all? Jan 10 12:57:06 yeah, mydocs Jan 10 12:57:15 it's mounted Jan 10 12:57:21 it's called MyDocs Jan 10 12:57:21 * freemangordon checks Jan 10 12:57:46 not mydocs Jan 10 12:57:53 freemangordon: we have the same warning in cssu(stable) iirc Jan 10 12:58:13 it's only mounting the card Jan 10 12:58:16 not the n900 Jan 10 12:58:17 bencoh: ask Pali, he tweaked mount options Jan 10 12:58:25 fishbulb: exit the terminal Jan 10 12:58:31 and reconnect usb cable Jan 10 12:58:47 yeah I'm doing that. duh. it was open and looking at the stuff Jan 10 12:58:55 bencoh: what is mount |grep /home/user/MyDocs output? Jan 10 12:59:05 your terminal is holding MyDocs opened, so it cannot be unmounted from the device's OS Jan 10 12:59:10 (does it have quiet or not) Jan 10 12:59:35 ok how do I get this to someone who can make sense of it? Jan 10 12:59:39 I'm using freenode webchat Jan 10 12:59:57 KotCzarny: I dont see quiet Jan 10 13:00:12 fishbulb: if you think thereis no provate info in that file, just copy the content to pastebin.com, for example Jan 10 13:00:21 *private Jan 10 13:00:30 I am hoping there isn't Jan 10 13:00:31 i wonder if quiet was omitted for compatibility with remote possibility of having mydocs as extX partition Jan 10 13:00:37 just don't be dicks about it if there is please Jan 10 13:01:01 fishbulb: if you use pastebin.com, make sure it is not public visible Jan 10 13:01:43 oh and, chan is logged and logs are public Jan 10 13:02:01 yeah Jan 10 13:02:09 expires in: 24h Jan 10 13:02:23 6h if available Jan 10 13:02:37 10 minutes is available Jan 10 13:02:42 :-) Jan 10 13:03:10 http://pastebin.com/Tws43ufd Jan 10 13:03:18 15:01 < pabs3> http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/130784.html Jan 10 13:03:20 Sicelo: ^ Jan 10 13:03:23 it expires in an hour Jan 10 13:03:43 ping: unknown host pxt.vodafone.net.au Jan 10 13:03:53 i bet on bad settings in apn Jan 10 13:03:57 or fmms Jan 10 13:03:57 what's the deal with that, of course it's known Jan 10 13:04:08 freemangordon: you might want to read pabs3 link as well :) Jan 10 13:04:14 it's always worked before Jan 10 13:04:17 in fact it worked last night Jan 10 13:04:17 unless it resolves ONLY when on vodafone network Jan 10 13:04:22 can it be you are on wifi? Jan 10 13:04:29 KotCzarny: it most probably does Jan 10 13:04:38 that's turned off Jan 10 13:04:41 back in a while Jan 10 13:04:53 bencoh: yeah :) Jan 10 13:05:00 KotCzarny: you'd know that it uses it's own connection Jan 10 13:05:08 it doesn't connect to "the internet" it connects to "mms" Jan 10 13:05:14 :nod: Jan 10 13:05:20 fishbulb: your device cant resolve those vodafone names, are you sure you are on vodafone network? Jan 10 13:05:24 roaming maybe? Jan 10 13:05:30 what? Jan 10 13:05:46 freemangordon: did you ask him to do some tests, or is he just following git activity ? L( Jan 10 13:05:49 :) Jan 10 13:05:50 no, I'm in the same place I uusally am Jan 10 13:05:58 I would have told you if I was in another country Jan 10 13:06:02 bencoh: I asked him nothing Jan 10 13:06:02 than usual Jan 10 13:06:02 >> Maybe voice format is not 4kHz, 16bit, stereo after all? << ROTFL Jan 10 13:06:14 fishbulb: there could be also interoperator roaming Jan 10 13:06:26 back in a few minutes I have to put something on the oven, no they are not roaming Jan 10 13:06:31 DocScrutinizer05: :)) Jan 10 13:06:34 they are local Jan 10 13:06:55 fishbulb: what are your fmms settings? Jan 10 13:06:58 I'[d have given you any important info like this Jan 10 13:07:08 wait one moment please something is about to explode and burn Jan 10 13:07:14 ok :) Jan 10 13:07:58 hmm, "DNSIP=10.143.147.0" Jan 10 13:08:16 is zero allowed here? Jan 10 13:08:26 not really Jan 10 13:08:35 who knows what they have on their network tho Jan 10 13:08:41 yeah Jan 10 13:09:01 its peer2peer, so they might do magic anyway for packets Jan 10 13:09:24 also: + /usr/bin/nslookup pxt.vodafone.net.au 10.143.147.147 Jan 10 13:10:27 big vat of packets Jan 10 13:10:34 I mean beans Jan 10 13:10:43 um. so it could be their phone? Jan 10 13:10:47 fishbulb: double check http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings against your fmms settings Jan 10 13:11:06 dude these are exactly the same settings as have worked for several years now Jan 10 13:11:22 fishbulb: no, your device simply cannot connect to the server to get mms Jan 10 13:11:49 fishbulb: so, you think vodafone changed nothing for the last several years? Jan 10 13:12:01 well this is a new development and I did not change the settings Jan 10 13:12:02 just check those settings, dammit Jan 10 13:12:15 they might have kept some old settings for compatibility and just dropped them this year Jan 10 13:12:20 exactly Jan 10 13:12:28 yeah but they're all the same settings Jan 10 13:12:33 they also would have told their customers Jan 10 13:12:43 MMSC http://pxt.vodafone.net.au/pxtsend Jan 10 13:13:57 .0 addresses are legit Jan 10 13:14:01 http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/APN-Settings Jan 10 13:14:01 as I said they'er all the same Jan 10 13:14:05 all thje settings are the same Jan 10 13:14:12 (although a lot of netadmin dont know about it and block it) Jan 10 13:14:23 (I wouldn't call them "netadmins Jan 10 13:14:37 bencoh, its 'old' broadcast address Jan 10 13:14:46 ok there are "advanced settings" in fMMS and there are no ip or dns addresses Jan 10 13:14:48 KotCzarny: no Jan 10 13:14:49 though do there have to be? Jan 10 13:14:51 if you have really old stuff on your network things might get weird Jan 10 13:15:05 KotCzarny: it would be "net address" in a /24 subnet Jan 10 13:15:18 ah, right Jan 10 13:15:28 fishbulb: yes, your setting must be the same as told by your MNO in order fmms to work Jan 10 13:15:40 forgot that it applies to class c mostly Jan 10 13:15:58 ok weird, in the advanced settings, there are no ip or dns settings there anymore Jan 10 13:16:00 fields are blank Jan 10 13:16:04 I didn't do that. Jan 10 13:16:17 well, fill them :) Jan 10 13:16:31 um. with? Jan 10 13:16:36 http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/APN-Settings Jan 10 13:16:40 http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings Jan 10 13:16:44 see mms part Jan 10 13:17:23 KotCzarny: ALL of those settings are in there Jan 10 13:17:25 like I said Jan 10 13:17:32 but there's "advanced settings" in fMMS Jan 10 13:17:48 that has fields for IP address, DNS and secondary dns Jan 10 13:18:09 you don;t need those iirc Jan 10 13:18:21 you need proxy setting Jan 10 13:18:21 yeah, there never has been any settings Jan 10 13:18:29 "there are no ip or dns settings there anymore" Jan 10 13:18:30 why? I don't use a proxy Jan 10 13:18:32 if you miss it it tries to do dns resolve Jan 10 13:18:37 but mms uses it Jan 10 13:18:43 I don't know if there ever was settings in there Jan 10 13:18:46 ah Jan 10 13:19:13 fishbulb: did you compare your setting with what is in http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings? do they match? Jan 10 13:19:34 match precisely Jan 10 13:19:43 there's no place to put that 505 though Jan 10 13:19:45 what about pxt-get then? Jan 10 13:19:47 yeah Jan 10 13:20:01 (in your first log) Jan 10 13:20:05 what about pxt-get ? Jan 10 13:20:11 it said it didn't work Jan 10 13:20:16 14:40 < fishbulb> it can't resolve pxt-get.vodafone.net.au Jan 10 13:20:20 the recipient got none of the messages that said "message sent" Jan 10 13:20:22 bencoh: that comes from the mms itself afaik Jan 10 13:20:31 just read the log file instead of whatever I said Jan 10 13:20:35 freemangordon: ah Jan 10 13:20:45 I was reading random parts of the log file out "loud" Jan 10 13:21:19 I was typing shit from the screen, into this Jan 10 13:21:25 + exec sudo /opt/fmms/fmms_magic START gprs0 10.88.75.87 pxt.vodafone.net.au pxt-get.vodafone.net.au 10.143.147.147 10.202.2.60 Jan 10 13:21:26 you know Jan 10 13:21:45 then it doesnt' start for some reason Jan 10 13:22:01 fishbulb: you could try to delete all mms you have so far and then try to send another one. It is possible there is some bad mms. Or, vodafone has changed something that made fmms incompatible Jan 10 13:22:15 nah they haven't changed a thing Jan 10 13:22:31 only thing might be their mms shit is down, but usually if ANYTHING goes down they send a text saying so Jan 10 13:22:38 or fapman autoremoved some file you need (?) Jan 10 13:22:50 and I got a few pictures of a radiator and some tubes like... last night Jan 10 13:23:01 no, I think application manager could have only done that Jan 10 13:23:06 I really hope not Jan 10 13:23:31 fapman is inert, I removed the repos, it was only coming up with extras devel Jan 10 13:23:34 the main ones weren't working Jan 10 13:23:40 so I clicked the link on the WIKI Jan 10 13:24:02 it opened up appman for the first time in months and months, hung for a while, I don't know what it did. Jan 10 13:24:24 added the mirrors I'm guessing, but I couldn't find any of the normal apps anyway Jan 10 13:24:26 it checks for updates Jan 10 13:24:47 also, for testing you dont need another person, you can send mms to yourself Jan 10 13:24:50 well, the version of fmms is still the same and so are the settings that I can manually enter through the GUI Jan 10 13:25:00 the problem IS that I can't get these pictures Jan 10 13:25:09 there is newer fmms in extras-devel Jan 10 13:25:10 and just a few hours ago, I actually did recieve some from another person Jan 10 13:25:23 of a radiator and hoses and shit that I fixed but wasn't sure Jan 10 13:25:31 no idea if it would help though Jan 10 13:25:50 from the log, how broken is this exactly? Jan 10 13:25:56 could it be vodafone has a problem at the moment? Jan 10 13:26:04 yes Jan 10 13:26:09 sunday is a fine day for dropping deprecated settings for an operator Jan 10 13:26:10 they don't even have a human help line here Jan 10 13:26:50 KotCzarny: can you assume they don't change their settings because 24 million or so people would be calling in saying their phones don't work Jan 10 13:26:58 what log says it that their DNS has no clue about pxt.vodafone.net.au Jan 10 13:27:10 their dns? Jan 10 13:27:13 yes Jan 10 13:27:16 so it's their fault probably Jan 10 13:27:22 could be Jan 10 13:27:28 man how do I even get through to a person Jan 10 13:27:32 I recieved an mms Jan 10 13:27:34 fishbulb, if they announced it few years ago, and just kept deprecated ones for compatibility, they could, most people change phones every 1-2 years Jan 10 13:27:35 can't be 1005 sure Jan 10 13:27:40 it came to the phone, but I can't download the picture Jan 10 13:27:52 100% that is Jan 10 13:28:39 they could but it's unlikely Jan 10 13:28:50 this city alone has 6m people Jan 10 13:28:54 http://www.vodafone.com.au/help/devices/ota-settings hehe, they dont have n900 there Jan 10 13:28:55 it'd create havoc Jan 10 13:29:04 they never did. Jan 10 13:29:09 n900 never came with mms remember Jan 10 13:29:10 what if you try manually connecting to their mms APN and do nslookup from there? Jan 10 13:29:12 this is a hack Jan 10 13:29:22 from where Jan 10 13:29:26 yes, what bencoh said Jan 10 13:29:28 enter that mms proxy setting Jan 10 13:29:34 from a terminal, once you're connected Jan 10 13:29:38 enter the proxy setting where? Jan 10 13:29:42 if they have it there should be NO dns resolves Jan 10 13:29:53 fishbulb: in fmms settings Jan 10 13:30:02 where? Jan 10 13:30:06 "Connection settings" Jan 10 13:30:08 KotCzarny: ah, right, it might be resolved by their proxy .... Jan 10 13:30:15 "HTTP proxy" Jan 10 13:30:22 you mean the same proxy that I told you is the same as the site Jan 10 13:30:29 no settings are different Jan 10 13:31:00 fishbulb: please, do a screenshot of your fmms settings and upload them somewhere Jan 10 13:31:07 no Jan 10 13:31:11 they're identical to that Jan 10 13:31:17 trust me I can read numbers Jan 10 13:31:25 ok Jan 10 13:31:37 then I am out of ideas Jan 10 13:31:39 plus this is my ONLY phone Jan 10 13:32:00 Problem: "Name or service unknown"/"No route to host"/"Connection refused" or similar when sending Jan 10 13:32:02 Solution: Make sure you are connected to the MMS APN - if you still get the error, try pinging the mmsc host from the terminal. If it still fails, double check your connection settings. If your provider list a "MMS Proxy" or "MMS Gateway", input this in the HTTP Proxy settings for the connection Jan 10 13:32:15 source: https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=459426&postcount=1 Jan 10 13:32:33 I don't get what could have messed this up Jan 10 13:32:47 if only I had a backup from a couple of days ago Jan 10 13:33:09 right, person is asleep, I'll try tomorrow Jan 10 13:33:31 hope they don't mind not working tomorrow. Jan 10 13:36:39 it sends to myself alright? Jan 10 13:36:47 yes Jan 10 13:36:57 but as i said, your settings are wrong Jan 10 13:37:00 I just sent another picture to myself and it worked Jan 10 13:37:08 WHICH Jan 10 13:37:10 SETTTINGS Jan 10 13:37:14 mms proxy Jan 10 13:37:27 bencoh: + /sbin/route add -net 10.143.147.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gprs0 Jan 10 13:37:30 how Jan 10 13:37:42 how is that wrong now Jan 10 13:37:43 apparenytly on this network .0 shouldnt be allowed as an ip Jan 10 13:37:56 how did that even change Jan 10 13:38:09 it never changed Jan 10 13:38:24 I am sending myself pictures Jan 10 13:39:01 KotCzarny: gprs interfaces behave as point-to-point anyway, so... Jan 10 13:39:52 bencoh, yeah, still, there is an ip of .0 which it tries to use later: + MMSCIP1=.0 Jan 10 13:40:41 see the log he pasted, lots of wtf Jan 10 13:41:10 does fmms store settings as a txt file? Jan 10 13:41:20 KotCzarny: gconf iirc Jan 10 13:42:34 it's a bunch of python Jan 10 13:42:37 it's from 2010 Jan 10 13:42:40 and has worked since then Jan 10 13:43:02 mostly worked. actually. across some networks and inbetween some countries, it doesn't Jan 10 13:43:08 but this number it's always worked with Jan 10 13:43:32 fishbulb, things change, even at operator level Jan 10 13:43:41 no they don't Jan 10 13:43:45 nvm Jan 10 13:44:09 not when literally millions of phones are at stake and half of australia is too dumb or young to manually input any of these settings Jan 10 13:44:38 unless "modern" phones just update their conf OTA Jan 10 13:44:54 I wouldn't know, I don't own a modern phone Jan 10 13:44:58 fishbulb: most operators send settings when you put sim in the phone and connect first time Jan 10 13:44:58 which means their dumb owners wouldnt need to change it manually Jan 10 13:45:13 (probably keep # of phone and simcard in db) Jan 10 13:45:25 usually that's what would happen Jan 10 13:45:39 since this is a hack job and mms was never supported on the n900 Jan 10 13:45:47 thanks for the help I Jan 10 13:45:58 have to eat Jan 10 13:46:00 fishbulb: still, they send the settings via regular sms then Jan 10 13:46:12 KotCzarny: hmm, not really Jan 10 13:46:25 that's what I remember from TEN years ago Jan 10 13:46:48 when phones had buttons Jan 10 13:48:16 even IF I had the money for some slimline android piece of retardedness with a quadcore processor and battery as thick as a credit card, that dies in 4 hours Jan 10 13:48:27 I wouldn't buy one Jan 10 13:48:48 you should put that proxy setting into fmms Jan 10 13:49:40 are you looking at screenshots or anything Jan 10 13:49:51 there isnt' a place for proxy settings Jan 10 13:50:01 fmms author suggests otherwise Jan 10 13:50:12 where are they? Jan 10 13:51:10 in settings, "HTTP Proxy" Jan 10 13:51:33 I'm done Jan 10 13:51:40 6 images went out into the ether Jan 10 13:51:45 one came into my phone and I can't open it Jan 10 13:51:55 it's 1am and I have to go, thanks for the help Jan 10 13:52:13 5 images came through fine just hours ago Jan 10 13:54:17 doh Jan 10 13:54:24 i've just installed fmms Jan 10 13:54:34 settings->connection->http proxy Jan 10 13:54:50 either your fmms is broken or i dont know Jan 10 13:55:30 amazingly, mms settings are already done, could be that fmms has a db of operator settings Jan 10 13:55:50 (i've never used mms on this phone before) Jan 10 13:55:58 or, you have that installed before :) Jan 10 13:56:02 freemangordon: https://gitlab.com/libcmtspeechdata/libcmtspeechdata/commits/master Jan 10 13:56:04 fmg: nope Jan 10 13:56:26 not sure what he's doing / why he needs that, but ... Jan 10 13:56:36 anyway, http proxy setting field is there, dont know how he could overlook it Jan 10 13:56:45 bencoh: me neither Jan 10 13:57:00 but I guess he tries ofono Jan 10 13:57:12 looks like it, yeah Jan 10 13:57:23 ofono+pa+cmtspeech from what I gathered Jan 10 13:57:28 pa? Jan 10 13:57:44 I guess it stands for pulseaudio Jan 10 13:57:50 which one? Jan 10 13:58:13 " Switch from very ugly pipes hack to pa_simple. Audio plays, not sure " for instance Jan 10 13:58:20 yeah it's pulse Jan 10 13:58:35 which means he has a working pulseaudio/cmtspeech setup Jan 10 13:58:42 weird Jan 10 13:59:20 quite interesting, too :) Jan 10 13:59:30 it's a shame he doesn't hang around here Jan 10 13:59:43 yeah Jan 10 13:59:51 * freemangordon is afk for a while Jan 10 13:59:55 (same with sre, but...) Jan 10 14:00:22 fmg, i think fmms just added new connection setting Jan 10 14:00:33 so it has operators db for sure Jan 10 14:08:18 hrllo Jan 10 14:08:33 that was quick Jan 10 14:15:59 http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/130043.html Jan 10 14:16:00 :) Jan 10 14:17:41 did he get n900 recently? because he writes like a n00b Jan 10 14:21:31 and to everyone snorting on 'on device devel' he apparently does it too Jan 10 14:23:02 pali: you can probably invite him to #maemo (or some other n900 related channel) Jan 10 14:36:25 KotCzarny: pavelm is not on irc right now, so cannot invite him Jan 10 14:36:29 ~seen pavelm Jan 10 14:36:30 pavelm <~pavel@217-112-171-13.adsl.avonet.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 438d 5h 1m 34s ago, saying: 'Hello!'. Jan 10 14:51:33 pali: invite as in writing private email what it is and if he would like to come there :) Jan 10 14:52:05 I think he has no time for idling on irc... Jan 10 14:52:20 but if you need something, write him email and wait for answer :-) Jan 10 14:52:28 be is active on kernel MLs Jan 10 14:52:33 *he Jan 10 14:52:34 he seems to struggle with basic n900's things ;) Jan 10 14:52:50 KotCzarny: I doubt he's "struggling" you know :) Jan 10 14:53:19 he try to use debian with upstream kernel on n900... Jan 10 14:53:32 yeah :) Jan 10 14:53:49 i want mainline kernel ;< Jan 10 14:53:58 kerio: soon(tm) Jan 10 14:54:03 yay Jan 10 14:54:09 i'm happy some core kernel dev got n900 and liked it Jan 10 14:55:13 bencoh, he tried to rsync /dev/mtd ;) Jan 10 14:55:34 kerio: compile it :-) Jan 10 14:55:50 Pali: yeah but stuff will stop working :( Jan 10 14:55:58 yes :-) Jan 10 14:56:12 because *you* did not fixed it yet! Jan 10 14:56:16 Pali: where's the linux 4 bootimg Jan 10 14:56:32 github --> linux-n900 tree Jan 10 14:56:33 would hildon desktop even start Jan 10 14:56:36 yes Jan 10 14:57:31 how much work needs to be done? Jan 10 14:57:53 sslayer: see elinux.org/N900 Jan 10 14:57:56 i've seen that you and freemangordon have been working pretty hard these days Jan 10 14:58:31 camera subsystem is broken, bluetooth driver is broken Jan 10 14:58:39 IR diode is broken Jan 10 14:58:47 DSP driver is broken Jan 10 14:58:54 pali, main thing is phone imo Jan 10 14:59:16 audio alsa controls are different/incompatible with mainline kernel Jan 10 14:59:37 modem as kernel part should work Jan 10 15:00:05 and power management is also missing Jan 10 15:00:35 that's quite a few things Jan 10 15:00:39 uhum, gsm-voice and pm then for priorities Jan 10 15:00:45 everything else can wait Jan 10 15:00:58 and there are also problems, that sometimes something randomly is not working... Jan 10 15:01:25 KotCzarny: gsm voice is in userspace, closed pulseaudio blob Jan 10 15:01:34 kernel part should work Jan 10 15:01:57 pali, no escape from pa then? :/ Jan 10 15:02:00 somebody should check if Maemo pulseaudio blob is working for gsm voice calls or not :-) Jan 10 15:02:29 KotCzarny: jonwil & freemangordon doing RE research for that pulseaudio blob Jan 10 15:03:18 https://github.com/community-ssu/pulseaudio-nokia Jan 10 15:03:59 KotCzarny: so after PA code wil be finished & working, somebody could take it and rewrite it to alsa... Jan 10 15:04:31 btw, pulseaudio uses this lib for communicating with kernel gsm voice: https://github.com/community-ssu/cmtspeech Jan 10 15:05:26 so maybe different approach from other side could work: write alsa driver for cmtspeech Jan 10 15:06:19 i wouldnt mind userspace support, makes it easier to port to different audio archs then Jan 10 15:07:11 what's wrong/incompatible with alsa? Jan 10 15:08:22 kerio: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1493038#post1493038 Jan 10 15:08:42 bencoh: different alsa controls Jan 10 15:08:43 bencoh, its more about opening it for choices, what if your distro of choice use pa? Jan 10 15:37:42 kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1493038&postcount=158 Jan 10 15:38:09 freemangordon: yes... Jan 10 15:38:15 that's exactly what Pali posted :> Jan 10 15:38:24 white-on-black? argh Jan 10 15:38:39 KotCzarny: default settings :) Jan 10 15:39:08 that device suffers a reflash about 3 times a day :D Jan 10 15:39:16 nope, retro green color :D Jan 10 15:41:17 :) Jan 10 15:41:30 i love what you did there tho Jan 10 15:42:24 BTW, we should define "phone", as GPRS data works with upstream kernel Jan 10 15:43:43 gsm-phone vs sip-phone Jan 10 15:43:51 Pali: BTW, any clue what "Jan 10 17:42:58 Nokia-N900 wlancond[1523]: Error in netlink message length" is? Jan 10 15:43:59 this is with phonet up Jan 10 15:44:30 no idea Jan 10 15:44:55 struct size changed somewhere? Jan 10 15:45:25 KotCzarny: it has no problems with wlan Jan 10 15:46:19 freemangordon: wlancond uses wext, not nl80211 stack Jan 10 15:46:43 so make sure that full legacy wext stack is compiled in linux kernel Jan 10 15:47:09 I should ask the guy who maintain rx51_defconfig :p Jan 10 15:47:27 that error message comes from this socket: socket(PF_NETLINK, SOCK_RAW, NETLINK_ROUTE) Jan 10 15:47:58 if ((len - (int)sizeof(*hdr) < 0) || len > res) Jan 10 15:48:07 so I think that wlancond does not check properly for message type Jan 10 15:48:17 struct nlmsghdr *hdr Jan 10 15:48:21 and in upstream kernel was added another message type with other lenght Jan 10 15:48:51 and wlacond try to parse that message (unknown for wlancond) and fails because of wrong length Jan 10 15:52:22 Pali: maybe we should create some "upstream-support" package, fixing all those little issues (sgx, etx) Jan 10 15:52:52 sgx is not touched Jan 10 15:53:11 just that hal device for rtcom-call-ui Jan 10 15:54:34 Pali: hmm, I am adding || true in /etc/event.d/sgx Jan 10 15:54:51 for the fb- stuff. at least that was needed back then Jan 10 15:55:22 where? Jan 10 15:55:40 all sysfs entries used in /etc/event.d/sgx exists Jan 10 15:55:53 no need to modify that file Jan 10 15:56:06 yes, but some echoes return 1 Jan 10 15:56:15 at least used to Jan 10 15:57:11 I'll try without them Jan 10 16:03:21 hi Jan 10 16:03:50 I might as well try every option to get fMMS (re_+ Jan 10 16:03:54 reworking Jan 10 16:04:11 fishbulb: you lied, there is http proxy option in settings in fmms Jan 10 16:04:30 I wasn't lying, if it's there it's not obvious Jan 10 16:04:54 oh wait. yes there is, it's in the main settings you put in there Jan 10 16:04:57 its obvious, you go to settings and its named.. 'http proxy' Jan 10 16:05:25 but I already said all those settings are as the vodafone site says they should be Jan 10 16:05:41 what is entered in 'http proxy' field? Jan 10 16:05:50 proxy 10.202.2.60 port 8080 Jan 10 16:06:29 Pali: hmm it one can neither reboot nor poweroff with upstream. Any hint how to capture a trace? Jan 10 16:06:41 I've double checked all of that :/ Jan 10 16:06:59 freemangordon: I tried to debug this problem... but nothing... Jan 10 16:07:05 ask Tony Jan 10 16:07:41 I'll try to catch him on IRC later on, to see if I can convince him to boot maemo on his device with upstream Jan 10 16:08:16 ok, in past I send email to LKML what is needed for patch and install for upstream kernel + Maemo Jan 10 16:08:30 I hope all our fixes are compatible with his version of n900 Jan 10 16:08:40 his version? Jan 10 16:08:50 fishbulb: and what is in mmsc field? Jan 10 16:08:50 yes, he has development board Jan 10 16:08:51 he has development board Jan 10 16:08:55 lasers and shit attached? Jan 10 16:09:03 dunno, never seen it Jan 10 16:09:07 and please stop swearing Jan 10 16:09:25 "shit" is acceptable for TV Jan 10 16:09:34 I bet it is RX-71 board Jan 10 16:09:44 but since I don't have one Jan 10 16:09:54 Pali: yes, you're right, 4.4 doesn;t need sgx tweaked Jan 10 16:10:12 freemangordon: there are still that division by zero :-) Jan 10 16:10:28 and that sgx script invoke it Jan 10 16:10:43 does whatsapp or whatever it's called, work? Jan 10 16:10:50 that's the only other way of sending pictures Jan 10 16:10:55 I know, but because of that onenand breakage, I can;t keep my device in working condition long enough to check what's going on Jan 10 16:11:29 hey I have a couple of spare devices, one has the usb traces pulled off the actual board Jan 10 16:12:14 Pali: i need to do other stuff for about an hour or so, will continue later Jan 10 16:12:25 one of those traces came off when soldering, and the fix for that isn't worth it Jan 10 16:12:48 what's it good for? it can't charge normally or connect via usb anymore Jan 10 16:13:15 the linux kernel has inbuilt support for n900 as a cell modem Jan 10 16:14:46 which is cool, if the usb port isn't broken. I saw pinouts for the gpio pins on the back.. but I don't have tiny components to make a hacked on usb Jan 10 16:28:39 does anyone happen to know if that hardware hack even works? Jan 10 16:30:03 what are these things worth now? Jan 10 16:30:10 there's a slight resurgence in them Jan 10 16:30:15 10-30usd Jan 10 16:30:37 ? Jan 10 17:59:07 Pali: I wonder if we should discuss upsteram kernel stuff on #linux-omap or #armlinux instead of #maemo Jan 10 17:59:42 there are guys who know lots of stuff and are friendly (tmlind, nishant, javier,...) Jan 10 17:59:56 we might get some help there, hopefully Jan 10 18:00:31 after all, it is not maemo to blame for a kernel oops, device hanging on reboot, etc Jan 10 18:01:29 why not both? Jan 10 18:01:39 both? Jan 10 18:01:50 #armlinux and #linux-omap Jan 10 18:02:24 writing to 2 irc channels simultaneously? Jan 10 18:02:29 sorry, don;t get it Jan 10 18:02:47 ie. ask the same question in both of them and see where it takes off? Jan 10 18:03:04 it was not about asking questions Jan 10 18:03:51 but rather allowing guys who know that stuff to read our discussions and eventually joining the conversation Jan 10 18:34:16 /opt/usr/bin/getmewheels: symbol lookup error: /opt/usr/bin/getmewheels: undefined symbol: _ZTIN10QtMobility26QGeoServiceProviderFactoryE Jan 10 18:34:25 this is on scratchbox as X86 Jan 10 18:34:33 is there something i'm missing to install? Jan 10 18:34:58 it has compiled succesfully on scratchbox Jan 10 18:35:03 so i guess the -dev files are there Jan 10 18:35:08 but not the .so itself? Jan 10 18:35:15 i think you are trying to use c++ mixed with c code Jan 10 18:35:28 but ldd doesn't show any not found library Jan 10 18:35:32 and c++ symbols are mangled by default Jan 10 18:35:49 well Jan 10 18:36:00 i don't know what i'm doing :) Jan 10 18:36:06 this getmewheels i didn't write Jan 10 18:36:11 but it works fine on the n900 Jan 10 18:36:27 there is a fix for it dont remember, let me google Jan 10 18:37:01 http://www.geeksforgeeks.org/extern-c-in-c/ Jan 10 18:37:13 erm, no Jan 10 18:37:17 ah, wait Jan 10 18:37:30 i think this .deb file was not well done Jan 10 18:37:33 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqtm-12-dev libqjson-dev libqoauth-dev libqca2-dev libcurl3-dev Jan 10 18:37:39 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: /tmp/N900/getmewheels] > apt-get install libqtm-12-dev Jan 10 18:37:39 Reading package lists... Done Jan 10 18:37:39 Building dependency tree Jan 10 18:37:39 Reading state information... Done Jan 10 18:37:40 E: Couldn't find package libqtm-12-dev Jan 10 18:38:53 so... where's that package? Jan 10 18:39:29 re symbol name mangling: it's done because same function name can be defined multiple times for different args, and they are resolved later Jan 10 18:39:53 i think my problem is that i'm missing libqtm-12-dev Jan 10 18:40:01 that isn't on my sb for x86 but it is for armel Jan 10 18:40:23 compile for arm and test on device Jan 10 18:40:43 i think that'll work Jan 10 18:40:50 but i want to test it on sb Jan 10 18:41:00 where i'm about to do some changes to libqt-network Jan 10 18:41:03 export DISPLAY=ip:0.0 ? Jan 10 18:41:09 if i do that on the n900 i may break it Jan 10 18:41:12 and i don't want to :) Jan 10 18:41:30 though i dont remember if n900 allows remote x connections Jan 10 18:41:56 you can try sshfs mounting sb directory on n900 and run via ./ Jan 10 18:44:23 uhm Jan 10 18:44:32 it seems libqtm-12-dev is in some repo i was missing Jan 10 18:44:35 or something Jan 10 18:44:51 i think sometime in the past i screwed up my sb installation for x86 Jan 10 18:54:37 Pali: hi, have you tried any recent version of u-boot? I'm getting errors about unconfigured pullups on i2c, but they are turned on... Jan 10 18:55:36 xorly: no, have not tested yet Jan 10 18:55:45 please send email to u-boot ML about this problem Jan 10 18:55:58 and CC to me and omap + arm maintainers Jan 10 18:56:47 there should not be regressions, and if yes --> then bisect and force man who broke it to immediately fix it :-) Jan 10 18:58:28 sslayer: c++filt to unmangle c++ symbols, by the way Jan 10 18:59:10 bencoh: thanks Jan 10 18:59:24 Pali: uhhh, I'm not such hardcore developer. I never wrote to any ML. IKD how to find that problem. Jan 10 18:59:49 xorly: just write error which you see... and what does not work Jan 10 19:05:26 bencoh: what does it do? Jan 10 19:05:46 doesnt that break things? Jan 10 19:05:50 c++filt - Demangle C++ and Java symbols. Jan 10 19:06:05 Pali: there is something fishy about ti,twl4030-power-n900 Jan 10 19:06:16 I can't find any reference to it, but in the dts Jan 10 19:06:32 freemangordon: I know I sent email about this problem Jan 10 19:06:42 I bet that is one of the reasons why reset/poweroff does not work Jan 10 19:06:56 yep, I read that mail Jan 10 19:07:07 "Nokia N900: twl4030-power different data in DTS and board code" Jan 10 19:07:36 :nod: Jan 10 19:07:56 ha!! now it reminds it that reboot and poweroff is broken since 3.x kernels (for some x >= 0) Jan 10 19:08:04 bencoh, but its only for debugging, not actually fixing anything Jan 10 19:08:39 KotCzarny: I never said anything else :) Jan 10 19:08:44 :) Jan 10 19:09:08 i thought it was miracle cure to let one use c++ compiled libs with c code ;) Jan 10 19:09:20 Pali: I will try to hack twl4030-power to use twl scripts from KP Jan 10 19:09:29 ok Jan 10 19:09:41 there is no miracle cure for that (the cure would be getting rid of c++). you need to go through pain and tears Jan 10 19:09:59 freemangordon: also note that there could be kernel crash whehn doing shutdown Jan 10 19:10:09 wrap every C++ call Jan 10 19:10:11 bencoh: yeah, usually just adding few glue funcs i need Jan 10 19:10:20 not everything, just those i actually need Jan 10 19:10:22 so tony with his uber board could test it via serial console :P Jan 10 19:11:19 freemangordon: do you have serial on your n900? Jan 10 19:11:23 no Jan 10 19:11:26 ah Jan 10 19:11:31 Pali: :nod: Jan 10 19:12:01 freemangordon: same problem is in qemu Jan 10 19:12:06 and there is no crash Jan 10 19:12:10 no output! Jan 10 19:12:19 just kernel do nothing... Jan 10 19:12:25 weird Jan 10 19:12:40 so this could be easier for you to debug in qemu... Jan 10 19:12:44 do you see twl4030_power_off called? Jan 10 19:13:00 I have not played with it a lot, do not know Jan 10 19:13:17 also, how to poweroff in qemu? with your rootfs? Jan 10 19:13:36 init 0 Jan 10 19:13:37 ? Jan 10 19:13:58 more like 'kernel didnt finish loading' Jan 10 19:14:20 freemangordon: poweroff -f Jan 10 19:14:27 thanks Jan 10 19:14:30 I guess there is no acpi-shutdown equivalent, so you cant use system_powerdown in qemu monitor :] Jan 10 19:14:35 same as on any linux machine :-) Jan 10 19:14:43 ctrl-alt-del ? ;) Jan 10 19:14:59 I used to use init 0 Jan 10 19:15:19 there are no runlevels Jan 10 19:16:01 so you need to call what last init.d script for shutdown doing... Jan 10 19:17:19 ooh, "147.016448] omap_i2c 48070000.i2c: Too much work in one IRQ" Jan 10 19:17:32 thousands of those Jan 10 19:18:24 when shutting down? Jan 10 19:18:40 yes Jan 10 20:01:19 i didn't notice the nick was the wrong one Jan 10 21:05:42 is anyone here from before when I my fMMS stopped working? Jan 10 21:06:22 magically stopped working after I clicked the repo mirror list from the maemo wiki Jan 10 21:11:55 if I reflash how do I keep my texts, MMS and calendar settings? Jan 10 21:12:02 and calls Jan 10 21:13:22 whatever went wrong definitely went wrong after I clicked the maemo wiki link for installing the repos Jan 10 21:13:57 fishbulb: make a backup Jan 10 21:14:13 I really wish I did that Jan 10 21:14:23 but I trusted the wiki wouldn't break anything Jan 10 21:16:47 fishbulb: What exactly is broken? Jan 10 21:16:57 I have no idea Jan 10 21:17:00 the repos are for one Jan 10 21:17:17 so the symptoms you have are? Jan 10 21:18:07 I got a log of the stuff fMMS spat out Jan 10 21:18:17 mms was working perfectly Jan 10 21:18:19 now it isn't Jan 10 21:18:35 after I uesd those mirror repos Jan 10 21:18:54 maybe it's possible that fMMS was upgraded from a devel repo? Jan 10 21:22:31 what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like (and the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d) Jan 10 21:22:40 dammit, rootfs got corrupted again :( Jan 10 21:22:59 it seems it always happens after some oops Jan 10 21:23:08 how do I get that into here without manually typing it Jan 10 21:23:39 do you have ssh activated on the phone? You can pull the file down via sftp if you do Jan 10 21:24:44 I think so Jan 10 21:25:07 is sources.list a directory? Jan 10 21:26:06 wait, leafpad isn't installed Jan 10 21:26:06 nope, but sources.list.d is Jan 10 21:26:10 and I can't install it Jan 10 21:26:54 You should be able to use sftp to pull down the file from your phone Jan 10 21:26:58 what about logs from app manager, because the links on the wiki Jan 10 21:27:16 app manager doesn't matter, its whats in your sources.list stuff that matters Jan 10 21:27:23 the "install repos" links broke something Jan 10 21:27:48 it was after I clicked the auto install mirror repos thing that this happened Jan 10 21:27:57 those links change things in your sources.list Jan 10 21:28:03 or sources.list.d Jan 10 21:28:05 ok Jan 10 21:28:07 which is why I am asking about those Jan 10 21:29:40 hildon-application-manager.list Jan 10 21:30:14 yeah that file Jan 10 21:30:17 how can I list what's in there Jan 10 21:30:32 vim and leafpad aren't installed, I was pretty sure they were Jan 10 21:30:39 pull it off the phone with sftp and open it in a text editor Jan 10 21:30:46 or do you not have sftp setup? Jan 10 21:30:52 I don't have that set up Jan 10 21:30:56 ok Jan 10 21:31:00 you could try cat Jan 10 21:31:04 that can display the contents of files Jan 10 21:31:16 cat hildon-application-manager.list Jan 10 21:31:59 yeah Jan 10 21:32:59 repository.maemo.org Jan 10 21:33:00 is one Jan 10 21:33:06 and linenoise mirrors are the other ones Jan 10 21:34:17 community extras and extras testing for the http://repository.maemo.org Jan 10 21:34:26 what do you get when you do dpkg -l fmms? Jan 10 21:36:12 desired=unknown/install/remove/purge/hold Jan 10 21:36:30 what version does it list? Jan 10 21:36:57 | status=not/inst/cfg-files/unpacked/failed-cfg/half-installed Jan 10 21:37:01 there's more crap Jan 10 21:37:10 1.3.6-1 Jan 10 21:37:51 what's all that half installed warning stuff? Jan 10 21:39:18 The fmms line starts with ii, correct? Jan 10 21:39:29 so it says ii fmms 1.3.6-1, right Jan 10 21:39:30 ? Jan 10 21:39:38 yes Jan 10 21:39:43 ok Jan 10 21:39:47 then the short description Jan 10 21:40:08 ok, so hildon-application-manager.list, I need to see the exact contents... Jan 10 21:40:45 I need to somehow paste the contents here Jan 10 21:40:55 I can't type out all the repos exactly Jan 10 21:41:20 but why would sources.list.d affect mms sending and receiving like it has for AGES? Jan 10 21:41:32 somehow you got a version installed that doesn't make sense Jan 10 21:41:43 and seeing the repos will tell me where it might have come from Jan 10 21:41:44 which version is this? Jan 10 21:41:55 not sure, thats why I need to see the repos list :) Jan 10 21:41:58 is it some broken devel version? Jan 10 21:42:07 possibly Jan 10 21:42:09 I dont know yet Jan 10 21:42:11 I hvae the maemo repos and the linenoise ones Jan 10 21:42:25 I haven't manually edited it, the link from the wiki Jan 10 21:42:37 the one that installs the repo mirrors automatically Jan 10 21:42:50 type out the entire line for repository.maemo.org Jan 10 21:42:53 I have the linenoise ones installed Jan 10 21:44:00 deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free Jan 10 21:44:21 do you have cssu installed? Jan 10 21:44:24 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free Jan 10 21:44:28 yes Jan 10 21:46:04 ok if you type apt-get install fmms what do you get as output? Jan 10 21:46:12 does it display anything about version numbers? Jan 10 21:47:07 or does it just say "fmms is already the newest version"? Jan 10 21:47:36 done, yes, it says that Jan 10 21:48:16 there's extras testing Jan 10 21:48:44 doesn't seem to be extras-devel in there Jan 10 21:52:15 ok, so somehow you ended up with fmms 1.3.6-1 which is the version in extras-devel Jan 10 21:52:23 extras testing has fmms 1.3.5-3 Jan 10 21:52:27 and extras has fmms 1.3.3 Jan 10 21:52:42 the linenoise repos are in there Jan 10 21:52:44 wait Jan 10 21:52:54 is there any comment on which version works? Jan 10 21:53:11 no idea Jan 10 21:53:28 ssu/apps/ ./ Jan 10 21:53:40 ssu/apps/mr0/ ./ Jan 10 21:53:51 are the last parts of the linenoise repos in sources.list.d Jan 10 21:56:12 the last two repos, which I assume are going to be the more unstable ones Jan 10 21:56:45 what are the urls for the linenoise repos? Jan 10 21:56:49 the http:// part Jan 10 21:57:00 or the full lines for that matter Jan 10 21:58:18 deb httpL Jan 10 21:59:02 deb http://maemo.linenoise.info/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ Jan 10 21:59:30 deb http://maemo.linenoise.info/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ Jan 10 22:01:04 ok so you only have 4 lines in your hildon-application-manager.list? Jan 10 22:01:14 the 2 linenoise ones and the 2 extras ones? Jan 10 22:01:21 I mean maemo.org ones Jan 10 22:01:50 I don't know if they're all listed twice Jan 10 22:02:52 now I do, yeah, there are 5 Jan 10 22:03:09 so the 5 you have are the 2 linenoise ones? Jan 10 22:03:20 and then 3 for repository.maemo.org? Jan 10 22:03:37 community extras extras-testing <-- for maemo.org Jan 10 22:03:40 and the two linenoise ones Jan 10 22:03:47 it doesn't make sense Jan 10 22:03:55 ok, you want to remove the one that says extras-testing Jan 10 22:04:08 wait there could be some in fapman Jan 10 22:04:30 anyhow, having extras-testing enabled is why your getting the wrong version of fmms Jan 10 22:04:33 nope I depeted all the repos Jan 10 22:05:01 ok so delete the extras-testing from sources.list.d and then reinstall fmms Jan 10 22:05:13 I'll just disable it in app manager Jan 10 22:05:38 yeah do that Jan 10 22:06:20 then reinstall fmms and see if that fixes your problem Jan 10 22:06:31 I will do so immediately Jan 10 22:07:18 app manager is really slow Jan 10 22:07:35 although for a "phone" that would have been in school for 2 years now it's not too bad Jan 10 22:07:39 if it was a child. Jan 10 22:08:08 hey should I apt-get update Jan 10 22:08:12 no Jan 10 22:08:17 I would rather keep my N900 that use a Galaxy S6 or an iPhone 6S Jan 10 22:08:45 I would rather use this, because I can keep it to texts calls and gps Jan 10 22:08:59 there's no facebook alerts, or other bullshit, constant dinging crap Jan 10 22:10:43 SHIT Jan 10 22:10:45 it failed again Jan 10 22:11:14 it tried to download an mms that failed Jan 10 22:11:47 you deleted and reinstalled fmms? Jan 10 22:11:53 yeah Jan 10 22:11:59 what version does it say its running now? Jan 10 22:12:00 and it came up with the contents still Jan 10 22:12:25 1.3.3 Jan 10 22:12:41 which is the right version for extras (non-testing/non-devel) Jan 10 22:12:57 well I am out of ideas but at least you dont have any bogus repos there now Jan 10 22:13:01 yeah. I'm thinking this should work. maybe the ones that were sent to the broken one won't open Jan 10 22:13:04 i.e. anything you shouldn't have Jan 10 22:13:19 yeah thanks for the help Jan 10 22:13:43 never used fmms myself (never ever sent or received an MMS actually) Jan 10 22:13:46 I'm pretty sure I did apt-get upgrade with the testing repo in there Jan 10 22:13:58 I have to because everyone else with a phone does that all the time Jan 10 22:14:12 well you have the correct fmms version anyhway Jan 10 22:14:14 anyway Jan 10 22:14:15 like I use this phone to communicate with non tech people Jan 10 22:14:26 I can send a picture to myself Jan 10 22:14:54 yeah if other people use mms then yes you need to :) Jan 10 22:15:46 I'm not about to buy a wafer thin quadcore thing that goes flat in 4 hours Jan 10 22:16:11 the physical keyboard on the N900 is the best I have used on any mobile device Jan 10 22:16:26 I think it's the only one I've used? Jan 10 22:16:42 and much easier to type with than the crappy virtual keyboard on iPhones and etc Jan 10 22:17:08 seriously even a mouse is easier to type with Jan 10 22:17:15 smudgy bullshit Jan 10 22:17:34 that needs serious processing power to predict all the failures that always happen Jan 10 22:17:42 I will keep using my N900 until one of 3 things happens:1.I somehow manage to get myself a Neo900 2.My N900 dies and cant be fixed or 3.I am unable to use my N900 anymore because of changes made by my cellular carrier or something Jan 10 22:18:06 why would it stop working? Jan 10 22:18:23 the carrier might switch frequency bands Jan 10 22:18:40 or I may need to switch carriers for some reason Jan 10 22:19:24 well I think only japan has abandoned gsm Jan 10 22:19:39 3g won't disappear for another decade or two Jan 10 22:19:43 maybe? Jan 10 22:20:06 yeah but some carriers use (or might use) 3G frequency bands that the N900 cant do Jan 10 22:20:10 i.e. 850MHz UMTS Jan 10 22:20:16 One carrier uses it exclusively Jan 10 22:20:24 oh Jan 10 22:20:25 and other carriers are potentially going to use it Jan 10 22:20:56 and yes the carriers in Australia are looking at getting rid of GSM so they can have even more bandwidth for high-capacity LTE Jan 10 22:20:58 or whatever Jan 10 22:21:14 well gsm is the obvious one to go Jan 10 22:21:27 that's only half of this phone though Jan 10 22:21:48 yeah but like I said, it may be that I end up forced onto UMTS 850 Jan 10 22:21:50 for some reason Jan 10 22:21:59 which is when I would need to stop using my N900 Jan 10 22:22:08 but hey, until that (unlikely) event happens, I can keep using it :) Jan 10 22:22:18 are you in australia? Jan 10 22:22:21 yes I am Jan 10 22:22:31 yeah same Jan 10 22:22:43 which carrier are you with? Jan 10 22:23:04 vodafone Jan 10 22:23:23 I am with TPG (who use the Vodafone network) Jan 10 22:23:37 TPG used to use the Optus network but then they did a deal with Vodafone Jan 10 22:26:48 jonwil: i think i'll stop using the n900 soonish :\ Jan 10 22:26:56 why? Jan 10 22:27:16 neo900 costs almost more than a car Jan 10 22:27:26 and n900 has awful specs to do anything except IRC Jan 10 22:27:39 I can absolutely buy a working car for the price of the neo900 Jan 10 22:27:51 Maybe go to #cars instead Jan 10 22:27:55 a working road legal car that would get me across the country Jan 10 22:28:19 ke :( Jan 10 22:28:21 kerio: * Jan 10 22:28:38 do note that it's not in any way a criticism of the neo900 Jan 10 22:28:48 i understand where the price is coming from Jan 10 22:28:51 it's just too much for me :( Jan 10 22:29:53 why would it matter if it was a criticism? Jan 10 22:30:27 it's more expensive than most other phones that exist Jan 10 22:30:49 so what Jan 10 22:31:18 that's like complaining that a concept car costs more than a house Jan 10 22:31:37 I've built a touring car that "should" have cost as much as a house Jan 10 22:31:49 and cost me less than the worst new car you can find Jan 10 22:32:04 not worst, I mean cheapest Jan 10 22:33:28 My 2 main wishes for the N900 right now are to improve the security of the N900 (which I am doing my best to help with) and a better browser that can visit more modern websites (e.g. www.trello.com) Jan 10 22:33:44 but that last part isn't vital since I can still visit 99% of the sites I actually want to visit when I am out and about Jan 10 22:33:57 I never bother visiting sites Jan 10 22:34:10 the screen is tiny and awful, the sites mostly have to be mobile ones Jan 10 22:34:38 if I want to internet, I use an android tablet and a shitty wep or open hotspot on this phone Jan 10 22:37:09 though what else from 7 years ago is still alright? Jan 10 22:37:59 obviously everyone here keeps the thing for some reason. Jan 10 22:53:44 no real alternative? ;) Jan 10 23:02:03 I tried apt-get update Jan 10 23:02:18 and the keyring for the two linenoise repos is... Jan 10 23:02:24 not working for some reason Jan 10 23:02:50 fMMS isnt' working anymore either. Jan 10 23:06:59 I mean still isn't working Jan 10 23:15:38 this is really frustrating Jan 10 23:15:48 I deleted the linenoise repos becuase they didn't seem to work Jan 10 23:16:02 no ideas Jan 10 23:16:27 O_o Jan 10 23:16:34 i've managed somehow to make qt4 use tlsv1.2 Jan 10 23:16:51 not that it's a solution right now Jan 10 23:16:57 because i deleted things that need to be there Jan 10 23:17:07 lol Jan 10 23:17:27 but a little thingy i wanted to use that connected to a tlsv1.2 only https site now works with these changes i've made Jan 10 23:17:41 qt4 being tls1.0 only is an endless cause of frustration Jan 10 23:17:54 yes it is Jan 10 23:18:01 i have a piece of software that didn't work Jan 10 23:18:03 (getmewheels) Jan 10 23:18:10 it's plain stupid, too Jan 10 23:18:11 but now it connects to the server and everything seems fine Jan 10 23:18:21 the changes are pretty small Jan 10 23:18:32 i have to restore back some things i deleted and debug it Jan 10 23:18:45 mumble/murmur :| Jan 10 23:18:50 but i think we can have a .deb soon Jan 10 23:19:01 i have to tweak the port's makefile to make it use qt5 Jan 10 23:19:09 I dont really get one thing though... why are there any change needed ? Jan 10 23:19:24 +s Jan 10 23:20:02 ceene: I guess you've built qt against openssl-1.x? Jan 10 23:20:30 because it has code such as this Jan 10 23:20:31 case QSsl::SslV2: Jan 10 23:20:31 ctx = q_SSL_CTX_new(client ? q_SSLv2_client_method() : q_SSLv2_server_method()); Jan 10 23:20:35 break; Jan 10 23:20:39 yes, i got openssl-1 on the n900 Jan 10 23:21:15 ceene: yeah but that's for sslv2 vs sslv3 vs tlsv1 Jan 10 23:21:29 what about tlsv1.0 vs 1.x? Jan 10 23:21:35 case QSsl::TlsV1: Jan 10 23:21:36 ctx = q_SSL_CTX_new(client ? q_TLSv1_client_method() : q_TLSv1_server_method()); Jan 10 23:21:39 break; Jan 10 23:21:56 what does q_TLSv1_client_method use? Jan 10 23:21:57 but if you want to use v1.2 you need to use q_TLSv1_2_client_method() Jan 10 23:22:02 meh Jan 10 23:22:09 that's silly Jan 10 23:22:29 openssl is pretty silly, yes Jan 10 23:22:44 krkr Jan 10 23:23:31 yes Jan 10 23:23:42 fishbulb: the gpg key used in mirrors is the same as the original ones (ie; the nokia ssu gpg key); it expired years ago Jan 10 23:24:06 it doesn't mean mirrors dont work Jan 10 23:25:09 well Jan 10 23:25:12 i gotta go to sleep now Jan 10 23:25:16 i'm quite happy with this! Jan 10 23:25:17 :) Jan 10 23:29:00 :-) Jan 10 23:52:14 hey if I reflash Jan 10 23:52:38 how do I backup texts calls calendar Jan 11 00:44:16 ~flashing Jan 11 00:44:17 somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Jan 11 00:44:49 particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900 Jan 11 00:45:58 >>(flashing the) eMMC aka *VANILLA*, which will replace the complete content of N900's internal 32 GB eMMC storage (embedded MMC), which is: the /home partition which has your stored browser passwords and game highscores and calendar and contacts etc.<< Jan 11 00:46:44 vs >>(flashing the) FIASCO aka *COMBINED*, also referred to as "rootfs"<< which obviously does not touch those items in /home Jan 11 00:47:12 then also >>It is strongly advised you regularly use the Backup application to create backups of your settings and data to a safe storage.<< Jan 11 00:48:20 >>The Backup application will save: [...]<< Jan 11 00:50:11 also see: Jan 11 00:50:14 ~bm Jan 11 00:50:14 it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jan 11 00:50:36 which is yet another backup method than the above referenced Backup App Jan 11 00:51:49 I think I accomplished my daily duty of avoiding "RTFM" replies Jan 11 01:07:00 hey, every time this freenode webchat times out the text disappears Jan 11 01:07:23 someone said something about a flasher and backup app? Jan 11 01:07:35 is there a working whatsapp? Jan 11 01:08:15 or any other way to either send pictures or chat on the n900 Jan 11 01:08:22 with people who have normal phones Jan 11 01:14:36 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Jan 11 01:15:19 yappari they said Jan 11 01:24:00 it's not in the repos Jan 11 01:27:30 um, the backupmenu restores the exact settings Jan 11 01:28:02 I don't know how but clicking on the repo install thing changed something that broke the phone Jan 11 01:28:24 fMMS won't send or open pictures properly anymore Jan 11 01:28:43 this is pretty crucial, I use it all the time Jan 11 01:29:11 I get the mms, it comes through from a number, and fmms can't open it Jan 11 01:31:38 it says the picture is sent, then the other person doesn't get it Jan 11 01:37:07 fishbulb: please, if you repeat this "clicking on the repo install thing broke the phone" an N+1th time, I have to add you to my ignore list, to protect my sanity Jan 11 01:37:37 no matter if true or (most likely) incorrect, we *all* have heard it now Jan 11 01:40:22 ok I'm not sure how to diagnose how exactly fMMS stopped working Jan 11 01:40:36 100% stopped working when it was working perfectly before Jan 11 01:49:51 when you didn't change anything, then probably something in the provider's infra/config changed. Nothing unheard of, actually. Providers do it all the time Jan 11 01:50:50 did you make sure your account is actually working, I.E. you have a psitive balance and sending SMS and data connection are all fine? Jan 11 01:53:04 [2016-01-10 Sun 14:10:47] fishbulb: double check http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings against your fmms settings [2016-01-10 Sun 17:06:41] I've double checked all of that :/ Jan 11 01:53:27 yeah just ignore that last part Jan 11 01:53:52 I suspect it needs a triple check then, involving googling for additional info about recent changes or problems on provider side Jan 11 01:54:06 that's only the 10th + Jan 11 01:54:13 time where I say all the settings are correct Jan 11 02:00:00 all the settings are exactly right Jan 11 02:19:13 and it's the at least 2nd time I try to tell you that "correct" is a literally relative term, since it needs a reference to which it compares for correctness. When you say your settings are correct in relation to http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings then maybe that site is _not_ correct. That's why I said "...involving googling for additional info about recent changes or problems on provider side" Jan 11 02:22:11 from discontinuing an obsolete service on a particular deprecated APN to introducing a new version of the protocol used, there's a virtually endless number of possible changes on provider side Jan 11 02:22:56 frals: ^^^ any comments? Jan 11 02:30:25 [2016-01-10 Sun 14:26:59] what log says it that their DNS has no clue about pxt.vodafone.net.au [2016-01-10 Sun 14:27:09] their dns? [2016-01-10 Sun 14:27:13] yes [2016-01-10 Sun 14:27:16] so it's their fault probably Jan 11 02:32:03 (([2016-01-10 Sun 14:27:32] I recieved an mms it came to the phone, but I can't download the picture )) that's exactly a symptom of SMS with 'URL' to download the multimedia content arrived, but the URL doesn't resolve due to ^^^ Jan 11 02:33:14 I heard providers now and then have malfunctions. Sometimes for days or even weeks Jan 11 02:38:38 vodafone says there's no problem Jan 11 02:38:52 this phone hasnt' been flashed in years Jan 11 02:57:27 there are two options: 1) wait for frals suggesting how to do in-depth analysis and debugging of this. I doubt it will get any better than what freemangordon already told you, without frals who's the author of fMMS. 2) completely delete and reinstall fMMS, redo all config and test again. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 11 02:59:58 2016