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Jan 29 03:50:35 <brolin_empey> jonwil: ’lo.
Jan 29 06:49:11 <KotCzarny> brolin_empey: you have to get 3.3V version (i think it's also the req for latitude x1)
Jan 29 06:49:24 <KotCzarny> if you want specific model i can check when i get home
Jan 29 06:49:47 <KotCzarny> but usually if you add 'x40' to search it will show you the right ones
Jan 29 07:32:09 <Vajb> would be nice addon for calendar applet to be able to show week number without opening calendar.
Jan 29 09:28:43 <Sicelo> i wonder if Tizen phones will make a success. if ever they do, i guess that would be my next phone (when my N900 dies)
Jan 29 09:29:28 <KotCzarny> n900 never dies
Jan 29 09:29:56 <Sicelo> it will. wait and see :)
Jan 29 09:30:09 <KotCzarny> 6 years, still going strong
Jan 29 09:30:09 <Sicelo> OS is good, but hardware is hardware.
Jan 29 09:30:22 <KotCzarny> even after multiple falls to hard floor
Jan 29 09:30:54 <Sicelo> they are not going tolast forever that's for sure.
Jan 29 10:13:44 <ceene> every year someone imagines a new browser thingy standard and will make our phones unusable even for the most simplest web
Jan 29 10:37:58 <NIN101> it already is.
Jan 29 10:38:17 <NIN101> well, not for the most simplest web, but for many websites.
Jan 29 10:42:26 <NIN101> and the hardware is very slow compared to the most cheapest androids these days, which is the reason my N900 is basically collecting dust :-(.
Jan 29 11:14:02 <PiZZaMartijn> Good morning everyone
Jan 29 11:14:47 <PiZZaMartijn> If I don't use audio/camera/gsm on my N900, could I then use debian 8 with the latest kernel on my phone?
Jan 29 11:19:18 <Sicelo> likely, yes. small screen though, and power consumption may not be very friendly
Jan 29 11:20:59 <enyc> PiZZaMartijn: you could also use the debian  'chroot'  images under maemo system
Jan 29 11:21:20 <enyc> PiZZaMartijn: and/or help making some new chroot images  that use  debian 8  in  armhf,  at least with the current power kernels etc.
Jan 29 11:21:55 <KotCzarny> doesnt glibc require newer kernel?
Jan 29 11:22:00 <enyc> PiZZaMartijn: the debian 6 / 7 chroot images (estel etc?) had various 'held' packages and all that
Jan 29 11:22:12 <Wizzup> enyc: that is, if systemd works with an old kernel
Jan 29 11:22:12 <enyc> KotCzarny: very good quesiton =)
Jan 29 11:22:32 <enyc> Wizzup: not needed basically iirc, certainly not as init, and init isn't needed in chroot ANYWAY
Jan 29 11:22:42 <KotCzarny> wizzup: you can still run debian8 without systemd. still. i wonder for how long tho
Jan 29 11:22:58 <Wizzup> there is also systemd-free.org for arch users
Jan 29 11:23:00 <enyc> Wizzup: certainly without x11  (and sometimes with)  debian 8 without systemd works on 2.6.32 LTS kernel
Jan 29 11:23:12 <enyc> Wizzup: not so sure about power 2.6.28 n900 kernel
Jan 29 11:23:19 <KotCzarny> wizzup: i prefer http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation
Jan 29 11:23:21 <enyc> Maxdamantus: #neo900 project new board will help with all this =))
Jan 29 11:23:44 <enyc> Maxdamantus: errrrrr wrong name oops sorry
Jan 29 11:24:12 <Sicelo> the op wants new kernel :)
Jan 29 11:24:48 <KotCzarny> tru that
Jan 29 11:25:03 <KotCzarny> lets not forget about the op
Jan 29 11:25:05 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jan 29 11:26:13 <KotCzarny> on unrelated news, ccache doesnt seem to help when playing with diff options
Jan 29 11:27:10 <KotCzarny> also, i love my fruit compile farm setup
Jan 29 11:29:13 <KotCzarny> 2 bananas, 1 orange
Jan 29 11:29:31 <KotCzarny> 8 cores total @~1ghz
Jan 29 11:30:13 <KotCzarny> going to setup n900 dev env there too
Jan 29 11:41:28 <PiZZaMartijn> Kernel 4.x should support all the hardware in the N900 that I need. so I can run systemd on my n900
Jan 29 11:41:53 <KotCzarny> uggh
Jan 29 11:41:57 <KotCzarny> systemd is evil
Jan 29 11:41:58 <enyc> PiZZaMartijn: can you also try that aganst the existing maemo system?  or does that create some interface compatibility ??
Jan 29 11:42:35 <PiZZaMartijn> The maemo stuff wont run on a kernel that is new enough for systemd
Jan 29 11:42:40 <PiZZaMartijn> and I like systemd
Jan 29 11:42:57 <KotCzarny> you like it because you didnt read what it does
Jan 29 11:43:10 <KotCzarny> but. if you only care about few seconds faster boot..
Jan 29 11:43:59 <KotCzarny> in short, you throw out freedom of hacking your system for few seconds of bootup
Jan 29 11:44:10 <PiZZaMartijn> I know what it does, i manage a lot of debian 8 machines with systemd.
Jan 29 11:44:14 <Wizzup> PiZZaMartijn: if it supports all you need, then why do you ask us?
Jan 29 11:44:17 <Wizzup> just do it™
Jan 29 11:44:24 <PiZZaMartijn> yes but how :(
Jan 29 11:54:20 <PiZZaMartijn> hmm I probably murdered my N900
Jan 29 11:54:33 <PiZZaMartijn> I just installed u-boot-flasher
Jan 29 11:54:41 <PiZZaMartijn> but I can't find a kernel in /boot
Jan 29 11:55:19 <PiZZaMartijn> and /opt/boot doesn't exist
Jan 29 11:57:43 <KotCzarny> do you see nand or emmc or sd?
Jan 29 11:58:12 <PiZZaMartijn> where should I see that?. I haven't reboot my n900 yet.
Jan 29 11:58:15 <KotCzarny> if yes, you can always run rescueos and copy the kernel to visible partition
Jan 29 11:58:31 <KotCzarny> im not familiar with uboot that much
Jan 29 11:58:57 <KotCzarny> http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/Manual
Jan 29 11:58:59 <KotCzarny> uboot manual
Jan 29 11:59:07 <PiZZaMartijn> the only documentation for uboot on n900 seems to be a forum post from 2010
Jan 29 11:59:33 <PiZZaMartijn> and that one doesn't mention what to do if you run kernel-power
Jan 29 11:59:49 <KotCzarny> you can try doing load command with guessed sources
Jan 29 12:00:48 <KotCzarny> another option: you know you can boot kernel via usb without flashing?
Jan 29 12:01:05 <PiZZaMartijn> I didn't know that
Jan 29 12:01:10 <KotCzarny> in short, even with broken booting/kernel, but with working rootfs its bootable
Jan 29 12:01:12 <PiZZaMartijn> is that documented somewhere?
Jan 29 12:01:20 <KotCzarny> flasher-3.5 -h
Jan 29 12:01:35 <KotCzarny> there is a switch that boots kernel without flashing
Jan 29 12:01:48 <KotCzarny> but try finding out what uboot sees now
Jan 29 12:03:52 <Sicelo> so N900 not booting?
Jan 29 12:04:49 <PiZZaMartijn> its in a bootloop now
Jan 29 12:05:17 <PiZZaMartijn> uboot starts, then says starting kernel, and then nothing
Jan 29 12:06:44 <PiZZaMartijn> ok its alive again, had to remove the battery
Jan 29 12:06:46 <Sicelo> load the kernel via flasher/0xFFFF as you've been told. make sure to also install stock kernel modules on your N900 (then uboot can always start even when all else is broken)
Jan 29 12:07:12 <KotCzarny> n900 is virtually unkillable
Jan 29 12:07:29 <Sicelo> yes
Jan 29 12:07:45 <PiZZaMartijn> i killed my previous one
Jan 29 12:08:01 <Sicelo> with a hammer?
Jan 29 12:08:01 <PiZZaMartijn> but that was more of a hardware issue. it was broken in half
Jan 29 12:08:09 <Sicelo> lol
Jan 29 12:08:30 <KotCzarny> yes, but software wise its almost impossible ;)
Jan 29 12:08:38 <fishbulb> seriously this has been the most durable phone
Jan 29 12:08:52 <fishbulb> I've been biking, and it's flown off REALLY across concrete and rocks and stuff
Jan 29 12:09:06 <fishbulb> any modern phone would be a smashed piece of crap
Jan 29 12:09:20 <Sicelo> with u-boot, i can recommend you look into bootmenu as well. but read the documentation properly
Jan 29 12:09:30 <PiZZaMartijn> someone drove over mine, that was a pretty sad day for me
Jan 29 12:10:17 <fishbulb> I've dropped the crap out of one, and dropped it in the toilet. that made me change the screen
Jan 29 12:10:30 <fishbulb> and I mean like submarine and down there for a while too. full of water.
Jan 29 12:10:50 <fishbulb> and it could have been saved I think, if I didn't try to squeegee the water out of the LCD
Jan 29 12:10:55 <fishbulb> with force. like an idiot.
Jan 29 12:11:35 <fishbulb> but in terms of dings and stuff it's great, and the plastic screen doesn't shatter IMMEDIATELY. (it's really hard to shatter actually)
Jan 29 12:12:12 <fishbulb> scratches slightly easier, but who the hell carries rocks and nails against the phone screen?
Jan 29 12:12:26 <PiZZaMartijn> yeah but my screen is extremly scratched (got this one second hand), i should get a new digitizer in a few days
Jan 29 12:12:40 <fishbulb> don't get the chinese ones they suck.
Jan 29 12:12:46 <KotCzarny> for scratches you can simply put the screen protector (cheap and disposable)
Jan 29 12:13:03 <fishbulb> yeah I know. there are mirrored ones are pretty cool.
Jan 29 12:13:11 <PiZZaMartijn> damn i got the cheapest chinese on i could find
Jan 29 12:13:40 <fishbulb> I might have got a bad experience but my chinese one was really bad, not responsive, didn't really react properly
Jan 29 12:13:44 <KotCzarny> there are so many n900s with broken modem/usb port, but with perfect screen/digitizer
Jan 29 12:13:49 <KotCzarny> and go cheap too
Jan 29 12:14:40 <fishbulb> the one time I messed up a usb port was really bad, the traces came off
Jan 29 12:14:54 <fishbulb> it's not TOO hard but if the traces come off you're screwed
Jan 29 12:15:13 <fishbulb> and they can if the thing has been yanked out.
Jan 29 12:23:54 <PiZZaMartijn> kingston microsd-to-sd adapters really suck
Jan 29 12:25:47 <Sicelo> with no traces, yyou can still fix :)
Jan 29 12:26:16 <Sicelo> use test pints. they work, but just not as efficiently as the correct location
Jan 29 12:27:49 <PiZZaMartijn> or just botch some wireless charging circuitry in there
Jan 29 12:35:57 <enyc> fishbulb: yes its' very fixable, the cable can run either to some pads they connect to under a metal can,  or  ran on thin wires all the way across to some tp pads under battery area
Jan 29 12:36:25 <enyc> fishbulb: my n900's have upside-down micro-USB connectors soldered to all the metalwork around firmwly, wiht wires coming off
Jan 29 12:36:36 <enyc> fishbulb: and a little filing to the case to take the connector toher way over etc
Jan 29 12:36:50 <fishbulb> yeah I know there are some gpio pins but you need tiny components to convert that to usb
Jan 29 12:37:08 <fishbulb> safely. you need a couple of tiny resistors and a diode I think
Jan 29 12:37:11 <Wizzup> enyc: want to make some pictures?
Jan 29 12:37:15 <fishbulb> cap maybe? I forget
Jan 29 12:38:04 <fishbulb> I still have a perfect condition phone with no usb. and no traces. it'll get done but it's fiddly work.
Jan 29 12:38:10 <enyc> Wizzup: not at the momen,t don't realyl want to take apart ;p
Jan 29 12:38:28 <fishbulb> to safely do it I read you SHOULD have a few components
Jan 29 12:39:08 <fishbulb> how many do you have?
Jan 29 12:39:14 <fishbulb> with this mod?
Jan 29 12:39:39 <enyc> at least 2 , possible 3rd board but was broken in some other way (flash failure iirc)
Jan 29 12:41:47 <fishbulb> I got a couple of working ones then the really good condition broken usb, that will lsat longer because I dont' touch it :)
Jan 29 12:42:56 <fishbulb> some dings and hits on the working ones. one I don't even use. it's a spare battery charger at this point. until I need it.. or parts from it. I'll combine all the good ones. ok cheers I need to disconnect
Jan 29 13:06:36 <enyc> Wizzup: i'm sure there are some good fixing it guides online
Jan 29 13:06:39 <enyc> Wizzup: with pictures
Jan 29 13:06:56 <enyc> Wizzup: try to find the one which actually opened nearby metal can and connected through the protection components locally
Jan 29 13:07:10 <Wizzup> I am not in desperate need, just curious
Jan 29 17:33:26 <ceene> someone who'd like to implement textsecure on yappari?
Jan 29 17:43:20 <ceene> all the libraries are already ported
Jan 29 17:44:29 <Pali> freemangordon: pong
Jan 29 17:44:31 <Pali> I was afk
Jan 29 17:50:30 <ceene> ~seen coderus
Jan 29 17:50:33 <infobot> coderus is currently on #harmattan. Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 8h 46m 36s, last said: 'if so then i really cant help more :)'.
Jan 29 17:55:35 <PiZZaMartijn> well I FINALLY have all the dependencies I need to build a modern kernel for the N900 :)
Jan 29 18:15:54 <PiZZaMartijn> well shit. does the N900 charge when in the uboot menu?
Jan 29 18:39:51 <Pali> PiZZaMartijn: no, u-boot does not have charge support
Jan 29 18:40:31 <PiZZaMartijn> Pali: So I have to wait to get a external charger? the battery doesn't have enough power to boot maemo
Jan 29 18:41:13 <Pali> PiZZaMartijn: NOLO should charge battery until it has enought power to boot Maemo and start BME
Jan 29 18:41:27 <Pali> if you have working Maemo userspace, it should work
Jan 29 18:42:51 <PiZZaMartijn> actually as soon as I put in the microusb cable it will try to boot to maemo and fail
Jan 29 18:43:05 <PiZZaMartijn> and i have a working userspace
Jan 29 18:44:46 <Pali> connect wallcharger
Jan 29 18:45:16 <PiZZaMartijn> that is what I'm using
Jan 29 18:45:22 <Pali> if you have working userspace, boot maemo from uboot and let it alone
Jan 29 18:45:36 <Pali> after e.g. 30 min it should work
Jan 29 18:46:10 <Pali> what do you mean by "fail"?
Jan 29 18:49:37 <PiZZaMartijn> white nokia logo screen -> uboot -> starting kernel -> black screen -> go to start
Jan 29 18:49:50 <PiZZaMartijn> and the backlight doesn't turn on the whole sequence
Jan 29 18:50:45 <PiZZaMartijn> hmm if I remove the battery and put it back in and then apply power it wont immediatly start booting
Jan 29 18:50:52 <PiZZaMartijn> wait now it does :S
Jan 29 18:58:52 <Pali> PiZZaMartijn: do you see yellow led?
Jan 29 18:59:29 <PiZZaMartijn> Pali: yes the yellow led is on
Jan 29 19:00:27 <Pali> it is blinking? or always on?
Jan 29 19:01:49 <PiZZaMartijn> always on
Jan 29 19:02:02 <Pali> thats emergency charging
Jan 29 19:02:13 <PiZZaMartijn> ok that sounds good
Jan 29 19:02:22 <Pali> should charge battery to at least minimal value needed for booting
Jan 29 19:02:51 <Pali> after 29 min HW will stop emergency charging
Jan 29 19:03:13 <PiZZaMartijn> ok, I will wait for a while
Jan 29 19:03:15 <Pali> hope it will be enough
Jan 29 20:42:39 <KotCzarny> https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/
Jan 29 20:43:04 <KotCzarny> not a bad look in systemd
Jan 29 20:48:36 <KotCzarny> https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/
Jan 29 20:48:39 <KotCzarny> uh-oh
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