**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 22 02:59:58 2016 Feb 22 04:23:59 I mean, why should image's creator be a useless text field, when it could be connected to a contact in address book, email, phone number, and all? Feb 22 04:46:30 image:creator and audio:artist are mist likely fields derived in tracker database from scanning EXIF resp ID3 tags in picture / mp3 files. I can't see how a useful and semantically meaningful link to addressbook could look like, except maybe a generic "copy to copybuffer and search in all apps" function that's available systemwide Feb 22 04:48:28 so *if* I had Frank Zappa in my addressbook, I could use that function to find that addrbook entry when I watch the properties of a mp3 file Feb 22 04:48:52 and see "audio:creator: Frank Zappa" Feb 22 04:51:25 likewise I should be able to use same global search function when watching my addrbook entry of Zappa, to find all mp3 and jpeg files on my system where Zappa is in title or any other file property Feb 22 04:53:08 and I should be able to find Zappa's addrbook entry from a website that tells about the phone number of a mysterious guitar genius Feb 22 04:55:15 heck I even should find Zappa's addrbook entry when marking a complete website of a restaurant and starting the global search, when that restaurant is in the same street same town as Zappa's flat Feb 22 04:59:09 create a regex pattern for the global search by another regex substituation s/ *[[:alnum:]]{0,3}/|/ Feb 22 05:00:47 aka "search for any word >3 char of the copy buffer, in all apps" Feb 22 07:51:25 even if you really like Zappa that sounds like stalking to me :D Feb 22 08:12:19 d Feb 22 08:18:18 ceene: nah, it's necrophilia Feb 22 08:18:21 zappa died in 93 :( Feb 22 08:44:17 that doesn't sound any better... Feb 22 09:07:54 Does anyone here use Yappari on Maemo? Feb 22 09:07:57 The WhatsApp client? Feb 22 09:13:07 If anyone here does use Yappari, please thumbs up the package here so we can have it pushed through to stable extras (current Yappari in that repository does not work): Feb 22 09:13:14 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/yappari/2.0.26/ Feb 22 09:13:20 and: Feb 22 09:13:20 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/yappari/2.0.26/ Feb 22 09:42:04 moin Feb 22 10:00:29 freddd: i even put a big red request on the frontpage Feb 22 10:00:32 nobody seems to care at all Feb 22 10:00:34 :( Feb 22 10:01:01 There is a lot on the first page. Feb 22 10:01:17 I asked here, in the thread and also asked in #maemo-devel for promotion. Feb 22 10:01:20 should i remove some things? Feb 22 10:01:26 but... it's a big red warning! Feb 22 10:01:27 lol Feb 22 10:01:30 people won't read anything? Feb 22 10:01:36 No I think you need to just ask people specifically. Feb 22 10:02:18 i could held releases hostage until people upvote Feb 22 10:02:36 Perhaps. Feb 22 10:02:47 Only higher than 10 karma is required. Feb 22 10:03:01 That is not much we need 10 people. Feb 22 10:03:02 To vote. Feb 22 10:03:53 8 - 9 more right now. Feb 22 10:04:08 If we just ask around and in this channel if anyone uses Yappari and if they would like to upvote it to extras. Feb 22 10:04:42 i've asked here quite a few times Feb 22 10:04:56 There are 171 people. Feb 22 10:05:02 I am sure we can get a few to vote if they use it. Feb 22 10:05:04 And like it. Feb 22 10:05:04 some time later i'll poke Sicelo with a stick, I know he uses it :P Feb 22 10:05:13 Good! Poke people directly. Feb 22 10:05:16 I will keep trying as well. Feb 22 10:05:22 thank you, freddd :) Feb 22 10:05:43 14 days of quarantine in extras-testing and karma of >10 needed. Feb 22 10:06:22 just so you know, there's a chance that I can get textsecure to work with yappari Feb 22 10:06:32 I do not know what that is. Feb 22 10:06:37 But I think it is best to not push out a new update. Feb 22 10:06:42 Until we have it in extras. Feb 22 10:06:42 that's the encryption behind whatsapp Feb 22 10:06:47 that is making us right now lose some messages Feb 22 10:06:51 because they are being sent ciphered Feb 22 10:06:52 Otherwise we just have to start over the vote with the next release. Feb 22 10:07:09 na, don't worry, i still don't have anything ready yet Feb 22 10:07:12 but the future looks good :) Feb 22 10:08:04 do you know guys how is neo900 project going? Feb 22 10:10:53 ceene collecting testers who are willing to test and vote each update, would be good. Feb 22 10:10:56 I know I would be willing to do that. Feb 22 10:11:09 To get it in extras quick. Feb 22 15:21:18 Does anyone here use Yappari on Maemo? Feb 22 15:22:11 ceene four votes so far. Did you ask anyone yet? Feb 22 15:25:13 If you use Yappari (the WhatsApp client) for Maemo, please vote to have it in extras here: Feb 22 15:25:21 armel (usually what is used): maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/yappari/2.0.26/ Feb 22 15:25:48 Or if you use i386 (not really used): http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/yappari/2.0.26/ Feb 22 15:25:48 freddd: nop, I think my latest post on the thread has been enough of a threat to someone... Feb 22 15:26:02 The page says 4 out of 6. Feb 22 15:26:21 I wonder if only 6 votes are required instead of >10 as mentioned on the extras-testing wiki page. Feb 22 15:26:35 there's at least someone who has voted because of that post... Feb 22 15:26:38 and has said so Feb 22 15:26:49 Yeah, hopefully more will come. Not that many votes are needed. Feb 22 15:27:03 And I really think it is time to replace the deprecated version that no longer works at all. Feb 22 15:27:29 yeah, it's not like we're asking to vote each and every new release Feb 22 15:28:22 Well, I will be trying to keep up to vote. Feb 22 15:28:40 yeah, it's not really essential to have all releases upvoted Feb 22 15:28:41 I have subscribed to the thread. Feb 22 15:28:46 some of them aren't always big improvements Feb 22 15:28:58 but having at least one that works seems nice Feb 22 15:29:45 If only 6 votes are needed. Feb 22 15:29:54 It really is somethnig that can be achieved in a day. Feb 22 15:30:33 Two more votes and we will see what the 6 of 6 karma triggers. Feb 22 15:30:55 ceene: have you disabled the feature that got people banned from whatsapp? Feb 22 15:31:27 bencoh, have you voted on the package yet? ;o Feb 22 15:31:56 bencoh: uhm, nope Feb 22 15:32:03 I'd like someone to test it... Feb 22 15:32:08 it may not happen anymore Feb 22 15:32:09 who knows? Feb 22 15:32:38 if I remove it, we'll never know, if I leave someone may get banned by mistake Feb 22 15:32:47 there's a big red warning Feb 22 15:33:16 freddd: I've never installed yappari, so no, I can't vote :) Feb 22 15:33:30 that's reasonable Feb 22 15:33:41 Oh. Feb 22 15:33:41 ceene: riight, but having that in -stable doesn't sound like a great idea :) Feb 22 15:33:42 I see. Feb 22 15:33:49 freddd: I don't use whatsapp :) Feb 22 15:34:08 well, it's stable nonetheless Feb 22 15:34:12 (or facebook, for that matters) Feb 22 15:34:12 bencoh, the current stable Yappari does not function at all any more. Feb 22 15:34:17 freddd: I know Feb 22 15:34:20 I have been using ceene's Yappari since release. Feb 22 15:34:29 And it has never failed me in any way. Feb 22 15:34:30 if it gets you banned is quite stable in the sense that it always get you banned, that's stable on my book :P Feb 22 15:34:40 haha Feb 22 15:34:54 if it got you banned randomly that'd be unstable :D Feb 22 15:34:58 bans for everyone! Feb 22 15:34:58 ceene: I think maemo had a different definition :) Feb 22 15:35:15 if I get really really really really tired about n900, maemo, yappari and all that Feb 22 15:35:15 Which feature in particular is supposed to trigger a ban? Feb 22 15:35:24 i could commit suicide by making it ban everyone at once Feb 22 15:35:27 freddd: group creation Feb 22 15:35:30 :D Feb 22 15:35:38 cenee to date I have not been able to find a physical keyboard replacement phone. Feb 22 15:35:41 whenever you update, changelog appears and there's a red warning that advises not to create a new group Feb 22 15:35:55 neither do I... Feb 22 15:36:00 I emailed HTC and Sony asking about it. Feb 22 15:36:02 Both replied. Feb 22 15:36:02 i even bought a second n900, just in case my primary one dies Feb 22 15:36:08 "consumers are not interested in such products" Feb 22 15:36:11 and also so I can develop system related things Feb 22 15:36:16 freddd: at least they replied Feb 22 15:36:23 Yeah after a long while. Feb 22 15:36:30 I can not stand touch typing. Feb 22 15:36:42 I am amazed how well the N900 types considering how small it is. Feb 22 15:36:59 i'm fat figered, so on a touch screen I'm always missing the key I want to touch Feb 22 15:37:16 I remember buying the little thing after seeing ads for it. Feb 22 15:37:32 Seeing it all collapse in front of me, the Intel deal, and such. Feb 22 15:37:44 Maemo is the prettiest and smoothes OS on a mobile device I have ever used. Feb 22 15:37:48 They had so much potential. Feb 22 15:40:02 If Maemo ever collapses entirely (I hope not any time soon), I hope somebody gets inspired to make a Maemo desktop environment for Debian (like GNOME and KDE) for mobile targetting. Feb 22 15:40:27 I believe Maemo is Debian 5.0 based? Feb 22 15:41:40 more or less Feb 22 15:41:51 init system is not sysvrc, for example, so that's a big difference Feb 22 15:42:18 there was some efforts to make hildon usable on other platforms Feb 22 15:42:18 I use a nice theme that has quick transition feature. Feb 22 15:42:24 making switching between stuff faster than default Feb 22 15:42:25 bu t i think it didn't went far Feb 22 15:42:29 actually it's half sysvinit, half upstart Feb 22 15:42:51 freddd: which one ? Feb 22 15:42:56 One moment. Feb 22 15:43:46 I use the Array theme in combination with the AwOken Icon Theme. Feb 22 15:43:59 One of those two comes with a theme configurator Feb 22 15:43:59 ah Feb 22 15:44:09 Allowing you to enable fast transition. Feb 22 15:45:27 well I edited transitions.ini myself :) Feb 22 16:22:06 ccrap. lost my usb port Feb 22 16:25:05 How do people do that? Feb 22 16:25:33 it is actually pretty easy on an N900... Feb 22 16:25:40 Luke-Jr ;((( Feb 22 16:25:55 I have mine since 2009 and it still is on very sturdy. Feb 22 16:26:38 I still have mine intact... I'm careful with it, but my ex broke the port from hers, fortunately I had a spare Feb 22 16:27:14 still haven't had the time/guts to enforce it so it wouldn't break :I Feb 22 16:28:25 I lost mine on both of my N900s Feb 22 16:28:39 technically my 2nd N900 never broke down completely @usb port Feb 22 16:28:59 but it got so bad that I ended up not using it unless absolutely necessary (reflash) Feb 22 17:39:02 freemangordon: I forgot another patch which needs to be modified and pushed to upstream Feb 22 17:39:11 ability to disable touchscreen device Feb 22 17:40:42 year (or two?) I had discussion with input maintainer and he agreed that some generic function for every input device which can enable/disable should be OK Feb 22 17:41:32 and maybe export that function as "disable" sysfs node could help us Feb 22 17:42:24 such functionality can be useful also on laptops Feb 22 17:42:43 disable touchpad device without need to rmmod touchpad driver Feb 22 17:43:34 sometimes when writing on keyboard I want to disable touchpad to not accidentelly touch it and move cursor... Feb 22 17:44:29 but because trackstick is handled by touchpad driver too, I cannot rmmod touchpad driver without loosing trackstick functionality Feb 22 17:44:54 and all touchpad, tracksticks and PS/2 mouses are handled by one kernel driver, psmouse.ko Feb 22 17:45:28 (driver creates for each device seprare input device, so disabling API should work fine per input device) Feb 22 17:46:26 and this is exactly same problem on nokia n900... touchscreen is input device and we cannot rmmod driver because xorg needs to see input device and mce handle sysfs... Feb 22 17:46:39 freemangordon_ ^ Feb 22 17:49:34 Pali: do we have an idea how that generic sysfs property should look like? I guess some callback function in input devices structure? Feb 22 17:49:57 which if not zero then export that sysfs property Feb 22 17:50:40 I think we have no option... only extending structure which is used for registering input device with pointer to function bool enable_device(bool enable) Feb 22 17:51:03 and remembering if is each device enabled/disabled Feb 22 17:51:24 and export sysfs node for each device Feb 22 17:51:32 (maybe only with that callback function) Feb 22 17:51:55 and then each input driver could implement own enable_device function Feb 22 17:52:21 and if there will be no function, maybe input subsystem could drop all events (and not propagate it to userspace) Feb 22 17:52:33 so this will work for all input devices Feb 22 17:58:01 I added this missing functionality to http://elinux.org/N900 wiki Feb 22 18:10:20 Pali: well, I already jumped on DSP driver :) Feb 22 18:10:33 ok Feb 22 18:10:41 I am too close to having it functional to switch the targets Feb 22 18:10:41 I will try to look at this input layer Feb 22 18:11:24 and once I have it running, there is a pile of stuff to do - migrating to iommu, PM runtime management, DT migration, remoteproc... Feb 22 20:11:36 Does anyone here use Yappari? The WhatsApp client for Maemo? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 22 20:21:41 2016 Feb 22 22:12:37 * Oksana does not use WhatsApp, or Yappari Feb 22 22:47:22 Nope, I wouldn't use whatsapp either Feb 22 23:06:18 (( sometimes when writing on keyboard I want to disable touchpad to not accidentelly touch it and move cursor...)) I had an app for that, which stopped working a few years ago Feb 22 23:07:09 synaptics which had a enable sysnode iirc, or a way to set enable/disable by some other means Feb 22 23:09:40 DocScrutinizer05: no, there is no sysfs node for synaptic too Feb 22 23:09:57 but X11 has option to "disable" such input device at X11 level Feb 22 23:10:04 yes, it was something different, maybe ioctl Feb 22 23:10:07 and such X11 application can do this Feb 22 23:10:15 or X11 :-) Feb 22 23:10:27 but it does not mean that it disable device Feb 22 23:10:43 it just tell Xserver to drop all events from kernel which are for that device :-) Feb 22 23:10:58 ooh, quite possible, yes Feb 22 23:11:01 if you will open it via /dev/input/ you can still read events Feb 22 23:11:57 just thought to mention that such usecase and app already existed, so it's no unusual request Feb 22 23:12:24 yes it exists, e.g. linux tty Feb 22 23:12:31 ctrl+alt+f1 Feb 22 23:12:38 and here you want to disable keyboard Feb 22 23:12:47 no way Feb 22 23:13:14 so such filtering needs to be done on kernel level, not in userspace Feb 22 23:13:23 :nod: Feb 22 23:14:32 please consider a "joshua" magic key-combo to override disable for kbd Feb 22 23:14:52 otherwise odds are you're locking out yourself Feb 22 23:16:06 6 times ctrl-Q comes to mind Feb 22 23:16:36 grrr ctrl-Q means "quit" on hotkeys Feb 22 23:17:44 3 times left and right shift. Or simply have a sysnode where you write the magic key sequence to, so you can configure it Feb 22 23:18:43 key-down and key-up evens prolly Feb 22 23:20:43 I hope he's reaading the chanlog **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 23 02:59:58 2016