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Feb 26 03:07:57 <Luke-Jr> ok, so I'm giving up on fixing USB and moving to turning the backup N900 into my main one
Feb 26 03:08:09 <Luke-Jr> what's the best firmware image to flash nowadays
Feb 26 03:08:11 <Luke-Jr> ?
Feb 26 03:20:12 <Luke-Jr> and best way to backup/restore whatever's on there right now? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 seems last updated in 2012 :x
Feb 26 03:32:37 <Oksana> no clue, unfortunately. I haven't tried to flash anything in a long time
Feb 26 03:44:45 <Luke-Jr> :x
Feb 26 03:48:43 <pigeons> i think i used the image from 2012, then enable cssu repos then update
Feb 26 03:51:29 <DocScrutinizer51> ~flashing
Feb 26 03:51:31 <infobot> methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Feb 26 03:52:00 <DocScrutinizer51> ~cssu
Feb 26 03:52:00 <infobot> i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Feb 26 03:55:10 <DocScrutinizer51> and fot mirgartion: 
Feb 26 03:55:16 <DocScrutinizer51> ~bm
Feb 26 03:55:17 <infobot> it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Feb 26 03:56:23 <Luke-Jr> download page has dead links for "OS images to reflash your tablet: N900 - N810 - N800 - 770."
Feb 26 03:57:21 <Luke-Jr> as does http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux_PC
Feb 26 04:12:31 <Maxdamantus> Wouldn't it make more sense to copy your existing system to the current-backup device?
Feb 26 04:12:53 <Maxdamantus> Don't need any flashing nonsense.
Feb 26 04:12:56 <DocScrutinizer51> would you mind reading the full factoid?
Feb 26 04:19:04 <Luke-Jr> DocScrutinizer51: the latter says only for your personal use :p
Feb 26 04:19:22 <DocScrutinizer51> your problem
Feb 26 04:34:25 <Luke-Jr> ~flasher
Feb 26 04:34:25 <infobot> flasher is, like, at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Feb 26 04:34:42 <Luke-Jr> hmm, what was the open source clone?
Feb 26 04:36:11 <Luke-Jr> Maxdamantus: is there a way to do that?
Feb 26 04:40:02 <Maxdamantus> Luke-Jr: tar, netcat
Feb 26 04:40:18 <Luke-Jr> lol
Feb 26 04:40:41 <Maxdamantus> maybe lzop in the middle (gzip -1 probably won't help if you're limited to N900's wifi)
Feb 26 04:40:52 <Luke-Jr> I happen to also have only 1 battery ;p
Feb 26 04:41:22 <Maxdamantus> So send it to a computer. That way it also works as a backup.
Feb 26 04:41:26 <Luke-Jr> how do you swap the old OS for the new one though?
Feb 26 04:41:40 <pigeons> the open source one is 0xFFFF i think
Feb 26 04:41:44 <Maxdamantus> unless you mean you need to have your phone usable over that period.
Feb 26 04:42:08 <Maxdamantus> You'd do that from something like rescueOS.
Feb 26 04:42:27 <Luke-Jr> ~0xffff
Feb 26 04:42:27 <infobot> 0xffff is probably https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996
Feb 26 04:42:43 <Maxdamantus> ~rescueos
Feb 26 04:42:43 <infobot> rescueos is probably http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
Feb 26 04:42:47 <Luke-Jr> thx
Feb 26 04:43:20 <Maxdamantus> It's just a small system you can run in memory.
Feb 26 04:43:24 <Luke-Jr> heh
Feb 26 04:43:36 <Luke-Jr> amy ideas on how to do rescueOS without a USB port? XD
Feb 26 04:43:57 <Maxdamantus> I meant the copy to the target device.
Feb 26 04:44:20 <Maxdamantus> You should pretty much be okay tarring a live system.
Feb 26 04:44:28 <Luke-Jr> k
Feb 26 04:44:57 * Luke-Jr ponders if rsync is sufficient or if tar is necessary
Feb 26 04:45:18 <Maxdamantus> rsync would be okay too.
Feb 26 04:45:38 <Maxdamantus> though you probably wouldn't want to do it over ssh tbh
Feb 26 04:45:54 <Maxdamantus> unless you use one of the slower ciphers, maybe.
Feb 26 04:45:57 <Luke-Jr> eh, what else is going to provide me data integrity?
Feb 26 04:46:33 <Maxdamantus> rsync probably provides it.
Feb 26 04:46:59 <Maxdamantus> but there's also TCP.
Feb 26 04:47:05 <Maxdamantus> and ethernet.
Feb 26 04:47:17 <Maxdamantus> those all provide data integrityp.
Feb 26 04:47:30 <Luke-Jr> not really :p
Feb 26 04:49:01 <Maxdamantus> and just checked, rsync does indeed checksum the things it sends.
Feb 26 04:49:25 <Maxdamantus> (irrelevant to the checksum-based update test it can also do)
Feb 26 04:49:41 <Maxdamantus> but yes, really, those all provide data integrity.
Feb 26 04:50:34 <Maxdamantus> Otherxwise you'd ocassionally see random corrupted messages on IRC, because IRC doesn't provide anything.
Feb 26 04:50:46 <Maxdamantus> (it just relies on TCP being integral)
Feb 26 04:53:16 <Luke-Jr> I *do* see occasional corrupt messages on IRC.. <.<
Feb 26 04:53:24 <Luke-Jr> although I'm not sure it's because of that
Feb 26 04:53:46 <Luke-Jr> IRC is a lot less data though
Feb 26 04:54:47 <Maxdamantus> You might be seeing messages in different character encodings.
Feb 26 04:55:04 <Luke-Jr> nah, it's backspace characters
Feb 26 04:55:09 <Luke-Jr> when people actually mean to backspace
Feb 26 04:55:15 <Luke-Jr> anyway, rsyncd is not on Maemo :/
Feb 26 04:55:32 <Luke-Jr> how will I copy the kernel?
Feb 26 04:55:48 <Luke-Jr> almost certain that the one on the new N900 doesn't have Thumb fixes
Feb 26 05:03:27 <DocScrutinizer51> Luke-Jr: install BM and copy your ols data to a uSD
Feb 26 05:07:25 <Luke-Jr> DocScrutinizer51: rsync+SSH is so much faster than uSD, is it good enough?
Feb 26 05:07:51 <Maxdamantus> rync without SSH is probably a lot faster than rsync+SSH
Feb 26 05:07:53 * Luke-Jr wonders why uSD is so slow
Feb 26 05:08:10 <Maxdamantus> ie, when running a dedicated rsync server on one of the systems.
Feb 26 05:08:35 <Maxdamantus> microSD is faster than WiFi for me atm
Feb 26 05:08:44 <Maxdamantus> it seems to vary between cards.
Feb 26 05:09:11 <Luke-Jr> I have some Class 10 64G card
Feb 26 05:09:56 <Maxdamantus> The class classification also seems questionable.
Feb 26 05:10:38 <Maxdamantus> SD cards do weird organisational things that make their performance difficult to predict.
Feb 26 05:10:42 <Luke-Jr> :/
Feb 26 05:10:56 <Maxdamantus> depends highly on how you use it, how you've used it in the past, etc
Feb 26 05:13:35 <Luke-Jr> ext2? :P
Feb 26 05:15:19 <Maxdamantus> ext2 is only part of it.
Feb 26 05:15:54 <Maxdamantus> writing large files in sequence in ext2 is quite different to writing many small files in ext2.
Feb 26 07:55:38 <Nenuli> hi. I was told by dimir to come here. I'm a journalist from Finland and would like to know if it's realistic that Turing Robotic Industries might start using maemo in their future phones
Feb 26 07:55:58 <Nenuli> I know most medias are reporting that they would start with sailfish, but the ceo explicitly mentioned maemo to us
Feb 26 07:56:07 <Nenuli> I work for a business daily called Kauppalehti
Feb 26 08:06:28 <Defiant> I wonder what there problem with sailfish is
Feb 26 08:06:52 <Maxdamantus> Shopping news.
Feb 26 08:08:34 <Maxdamantus> I imagine it wouldn't be particularly unrealistic.
Feb 26 08:09:29 <Defiant> isn't maemo a bit too outdated for new devices?
Feb 26 08:09:41 <Nenuli> so it's possible to start developing an os based on maemo? is it fully open source nowadays?
Feb 26 08:09:49 <Maxdamantus> What do you mean by "maemo" and "outdated"?
Feb 26 08:10:25 <Maxdamantus> The software people are running on their N900s is outdated in the sense that they're running a really old version of Linux with a really old version of glibc and an old version of Xorg, etc
Feb 26 08:10:48 <Maxdamantus> Most of the components that make Maemo what it is aren't exactly outdated.
Feb 26 08:11:15 <Maxdamantus> It's not fully open source, but it's more open source that it was when Nokia released it.
Feb 26 08:11:40 <Maxdamantus> People have made replacements for various closed source components for various reasons.
Feb 26 08:12:48 <Maxdamantus> The effort there will probably need to continue to support the Neo900 too, so it might be relatively easy for other devices to take advantage of that.
Feb 26 08:13:50 <Nenuli> okay. what would be the advantage of starting with maemo opposed to starting with sailfish then?
Feb 26 08:15:17 <Maxdamantus> I imagine it would mostly be to do with what the users want as an OS.
Feb 26 08:16:16 <Maxdamantus> I suspect Maemo/N900 is perceived as less like a typical phone OS.
Feb 26 08:20:02 <Nenuli> but would TRI get maemo for free? so that might be an advantage?
Feb 26 08:20:11 <Nenuli> I presume they would have to pay to jolla for using sailfish
Feb 26 09:15:51 <KotCzarny> luke-jr: idea, consider soldering cable to usb pad then glueing the port somewhere else?
Feb 26 09:16:27 <KotCzarny> or even preparing contact pad and making a clip to keep it in place (if not soldering)
Feb 26 09:16:53 <Luke-Jr> out of time, unfortunately. maybe I can revisit when I get back :/
Feb 26 09:16:55 <KotCzarny> kind of piece of plastic with traces that will contact the pad on the board
Feb 26 09:17:14 <KotCzarny> yeah, just an idea so you can still use the broken one as a devel device
Feb 26 09:54:30 <Luke-Jr> how do you get a SSH server on rescueOS? :/
Feb 26 09:56:10 <KotCzarny> i think telnet is tarted by default
Feb 26 09:56:12 <KotCzarny> telnetd
Feb 26 10:28:41 <Luke-Jr> All 1024 scanned ports on 192.168.2.15 are closed
Feb 26 10:31:41 <Maxdamantus> `which sshd`
Feb 26 10:31:53 <Maxdamantus> or: $(which sshd)
Feb 26 10:32:06 <Maxdamantus> Might not be able to type the backticks.
Feb 26 10:33:37 <Maxdamantus> Actually, there is no sshd.
Feb 26 10:34:12 <Maxdamantus> but yeah, there's telnet .. /rescueOS/enabletelnet.sh
Feb 26 10:41:04 * fredd raises pitch fork
Feb 26 10:41:19 <fredd> ceene where is my Yappari 2.0.27 fixing lost messages!?
Feb 26 10:42:07 * fredd also admits shyly he kind of got addicted to voting packages to extras.
Feb 26 10:42:53 <bencoh> hm.
Feb 26 10:43:47 <fredd> !seen joppu
Feb 26 10:44:24 <bencoh> infobot: !
Feb 26 10:45:23 <fredd> I need joppu to push through Array theme 1.2 to testing-extras (been in devel for 5 years now).
Feb 26 10:45:25 <fredd> :c
Feb 26 10:46:28 <fredd> http://maemo.org/packages/view/array-theme/
Feb 26 11:10:21 <ceene> fredd: that'll take a long time
Feb 26 11:10:26 <ceene> it'll be 3.0.0 in fact
Feb 26 11:10:34 <ceene> as it'll be based on a different WA library
Feb 26 11:10:42 <ceene> and will probably have less features than current one
Feb 26 11:10:52 <ceene> until little by little i can change all the api calls to the new
Feb 26 11:11:05 <ceene> fredd: do you know how to code? :)
Feb 26 11:12:23 <fredd> I once pointed a pointer to a random memory address and assigned true to it and I had to buy a new computer.
Feb 26 11:14:10 <Maxdamantus> Were you in real mode?
Feb 26 11:14:15 <ceene> that shouldn't happen unless we're talking about UEFI computers 
Feb 26 11:14:20 <ceene> which go to hell when you rm -rf /sys
Feb 26 11:14:36 <Maxdamantus> or maybe on a system without an MMU.
Feb 26 11:17:06 <freemangordon_> YAY, managed to bring tidspbridge up on 4.5-rc5 :)
Feb 26 11:17:16 <ceene> great!!
Feb 26 11:18:23 <freemangordon_> yep, now the hard part begins :D
Feb 26 11:18:30 <ceene> that was the easy one?
Feb 26 11:18:35 <freemangordon_> yeah
Feb 26 11:19:05 <freemangordon_> now it needs to be migrated to DMA API, IOMMU API and remoteproc :D
Feb 26 11:19:12 <freemangordon_> and whatnot else
Feb 26 11:19:28 <freemangordon_> to be in a shape close to what is needed for upstreaming
Feb 26 11:22:25 <freemangordon_> anyone want to help?
Feb 26 11:23:17 <ceene> i'd like to, but i don't think i have the knowledge
Feb 26 11:23:30 <ceene> i don't even know what's the tidspbridge for
Feb 26 11:23:34 <freemangordon_> noone has it
Feb 26 11:24:03 <freemangordon_> IVA2 aka DSP - the one that is used to decode videos via HW on N900
Feb 26 11:25:41 <bencoh> freemangordon_: \o/
Feb 26 11:26:14 <bencoh> I really should've bought a dev n900
Feb 26 11:26:35 <freemangordon_> is it late now?
Feb 26 11:27:13 <bencoh> it's harder here than in europe
Feb 26 11:27:39 <freemangordon_> aah
Feb 26 11:31:48 <Maxdamantus> I bought one off eBay then a few days later one appeared on the main trading site in our country for the first time since August.
Feb 26 11:31:58 <Maxdamantus> so I bought that too.
Feb 26 11:57:12 <freemangordon_> oh, it even plays video when booted in maemo with 4.5, am I good :p
Feb 26 12:02:08 <DocScrutinizer51> wow
Feb 26 12:02:56 <freemangordon_> well, video skips frames as I hardcoded DSP freq to 90MHz, but still
Feb 26 12:14:03 <KotCzarny> freemangordon, the maemo hero!
Feb 26 12:14:28 * KotCzarny hands the golden crowbar as a sign of appreciation
Feb 26 12:19:26 <freemangordon_> :)
Feb 26 12:41:22 <DocScrutinizer51> so mafw can use DSP now?
Feb 26 12:41:45 <DocScrutinizer51> the hardcoding sounds like a minor fix
Feb 26 12:44:18 <freemangordon_> DocScrutinizer51: hmm? can't parse
Feb 26 12:44:25 <freemangordon_> aah, got it
Feb 26 12:45:00 <freemangordon_> DocScrutinizer51: keep in mind we talk linux 4.5 here, in stock kernel it has always been the case
Feb 26 12:45:21 <DocScrutinizer51> yep, of course
Feb 26 12:45:52 <freemangordon_> yes, I can now play "Nokia N900" and "9" videos in mediaplayer
Feb 26 12:46:07 <freemangordon_> (freshly flashed device, so no other videos)
Feb 26 12:46:19 <DocScrutinizer51> I only read the  last maybe 50 lines of backscroll
Feb 26 12:46:32 <DocScrutinizer51> audio?
Feb 26 12:46:37 <freemangordon_> no audio
Feb 26 12:46:50 <freemangordon_> PA is broken with mainline
Feb 26 12:47:16 <DocScrutinizer51> fsck
Feb 26 12:47:28 <freemangordon_> there are 2 more major subsystems to be fixed, cameras and audio
Feb 26 12:47:43 <freemangordon_> everything else more or less works
Feb 26 12:48:16 <DocScrutinizer51> freqgovernor?
Feb 26 12:48:24 <freemangordon_> well, acually audio works, it is PA that doesn;t know how to use it
Feb 26 12:48:31 <freemangordon_> CPUFREQ_DT works
Feb 26 12:48:39 <DocScrutinizer51> :)
Feb 26 12:49:13 <freemangordon_> also, according to tmlind, with a couple of fixes from him (to be in mainline soon) deep idle states work as well
Feb 26 12:49:57 <DocScrutinizer51> good
Feb 26 12:50:07 <DocScrutinizer51> zzztop
Feb 26 12:50:41 <freemangordon_> DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.com/TZ1tv7G1
Feb 26 12:51:23 <DocScrutinizer51> I'd be surprised if it works in 45 without patching it
Feb 26 12:51:31 <freemangordon_> it works
Feb 26 12:51:33 <freemangordon_> :)
Feb 26 12:51:38 <DocScrutinizer51> sorry, N900
Feb 26 12:52:09 <DocScrutinizer51> pastebin is a tad inconvenient
Feb 26 12:52:18 <freemangordon_> sorrry, I am used to it
Feb 26 12:52:22 <DocScrutinizer51> wow, great to hear it works
Feb 26 12:52:26 <freemangordon_> see http://pastebin.com/j4xpbskF
Feb 26 12:52:38 <freemangordon_> this is with charger connected
Feb 26 12:55:40 <KotCzarny> um
Feb 26 12:55:50 <KotCzarny> how about f*cking PA and just using alsa?
Feb 26 12:56:43 <freemangordon_> feel free to try it
Feb 26 13:20:23 <ceene> the only thing is the filters to avoid frying speakers
Feb 26 13:26:22 <HRH_H_Crab> hi all, its time for my six-monthly period of wondering if i can put vanilladebian on my n900 (ideally with a recent kernel). there seem to have been various projects around all of this stuff, is the general feeling that his is the way to go: https://github.com/dderby/debian900 ?
Feb 26 13:57:52 <bencoh> HRH_H_Crab: looks like we're getting close :)
Feb 26 13:59:19 <HRH_H_Crab> bencoh: what do you mean?
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Feb 26 19:06:45 <ceene> KotCzarny: how's oscp upload going?
Feb 26 19:07:41 <KotCzarny> not promising anything, but i will try to do it thise weekend/next week
Feb 26 19:08:53 <ceene> where's download for x86?
Feb 26 19:09:06 <KotCzarny> on sourceforge
Feb 26 19:09:21 <KotCzarny> http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/binaries/
Feb 26 19:09:31 <KotCzarny> remember to install libao
Feb 26 19:09:52 <ceene> ok, I'm gonna try it now
Feb 26 19:10:19 <KotCzarny> version is quite old (>3 months), so i have to update that build too at the same time
Feb 26 19:10:59 <ceene> should i use the i586 version?
Feb 26 19:11:20 <KotCzarny> i586 is for old boxes, that dont have sse*
Feb 26 19:11:26 <ceene> ah, ok
Feb 26 19:11:33 <ceene> this one is new
Feb 26 19:11:47 <KotCzarny> if you have sse then you can grab the regular one
Feb 26 19:11:59 <KotCzarny> both will work anyway
Feb 26 19:41:28 <ds3> dev n900?
Feb 26 20:36:07 <ceene> KotCzarny: which is the server?
Feb 26 20:36:35 <ceene> maybe it's on the tmo thread and i can leave you alone
Feb 26 20:45:33 <ceene> ah, i got it now, -L port
Feb 26 20:50:24 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Feb 26 20:50:24 <infobot> aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51
Feb 26 21:00:48 <KotCzarny> ceene: try -h
Feb 26 21:00:53 <KotCzarny> and ~/.oscp.conf
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