**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 27 02:59:58 2016 Feb 27 09:08:32 hmm strange, but after i accidentally dropped my phone few days ago so bad that battery got off, my gprs connection has been a lot more stable. Feb 27 09:15:57 physical abuse, the best fix-er-upper Feb 27 09:19:17 well i wanted to speculate, if reboot could have done some magic? I mean more than 'pnatd at+cfun=0' does.. Feb 27 13:23:09 Hi could anybody help with http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96424? I am searching for somebody who could remove the defective navit/maptool builds from fremantle-extras-devel repo Feb 27 15:01:04 jskarvad: what is needed is to upload new version Feb 27 15:28:29 ceene: I am unable to contact the original uploader, and the uploaded deb files are broken - size mismatch Feb 27 15:37:24 merlin1991: ^^^^ Feb 27 15:38:14 freemangordon_: ^^^^ Feb 27 15:40:39 capitanocrunch was here a few weeks ago asking for help to build these new packages Feb 27 15:40:58 he mentioned this github issue thread https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62#issuecomment-170118637 Feb 27 15:41:06 so maybe you can open a bug there Feb 27 15:41:19 and it'll probably arrive to the uploader Feb 27 15:43:28 whit is the package to delete? Feb 27 15:43:36 which Feb 27 15:43:39 all navit-* packages i think Feb 27 15:43:43 let me check Feb 27 15:43:54 http://maemo.org/packages/view/navit/ Feb 27 15:44:48 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopeW3616.png Feb 27 15:45:37 navit navit-data navit-graphics-gtk-drawing-area navit-gui-internal 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563 Feb 27 15:47:13 jskarvad: even if DocScrutinizer05 removes those packages, you should still try to reach the navit team through github issues, so they know to reupload it Feb 27 15:48:19 I'm not even sure I really could and _should_ remove them Feb 27 15:48:34 which repo? Feb 27 15:49:09 they are in extras-devel as far as i know Feb 27 15:49:28 i mean, i also don't think it's something you should or shouldn't do Feb 27 15:49:33 ouch, a pity. so I can't promote them Feb 27 15:49:36 upstream author should just upload it again Feb 27 15:49:41 DocScrutinizer05, ceene: thanks, I have problem with maptool 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-data 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-gui-gtk 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-gui-internal 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-graphics-gtk-drawing-area 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563 Feb 27 15:50:15 I am still trying to contact navit upstream about this issue Feb 27 15:50:37 I think the autobuilder has wrong checksum or something. Such is a known effect we seen before Feb 27 15:50:56 can you rerun the autobuilder? Feb 27 15:51:10 I could if I could promote Feb 27 15:51:29 there's nothing you could promote from, into devel Feb 27 15:51:49 is the source package still somewhere ? Feb 27 15:51:50 freemangordon_: ^^^ could you have a look Feb 27 15:52:09 I guess it could just be reuploaded to the autobuilder input folder Feb 27 15:52:10 lemme see Feb 27 15:52:15 of course, the source packages are stored Feb 27 15:54:06 sorry, I don;t get what the problem is Feb 27 15:55:04 IIRC the issue is summarized in this thread: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1499764 Feb 27 15:55:31 that's right Feb 27 15:55:44 ok Feb 27 16:03:39 let me know if I can help via administrative interface http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopeW3616.png Feb 27 16:09:34 who's michelD aka tryagain? Feb 27 16:10:01 if I understand it correctly Feb 27 16:10:19 the package got submitted twice by mistake by tryagain Feb 27 16:10:33 which confused autobuilder and corrupted the resulting package Feb 27 16:10:42 he's not maintainer yet, only asked for maintainership Feb 27 16:11:02 given his nick it's seems obvious that he'd try everything twice... Feb 27 16:11:10 sorry, had to make the pun! Feb 27 16:11:11 hehe Feb 27 16:11:22 http://maemo.org/profile/view/tryagain/ Feb 27 16:11:31 so I guess either the current broken package could be removed & source package re-submitted Feb 27 16:11:33 I'm tempted to approve maintainership Feb 27 16:12:12 since it seems council doesn't take care about maintainership takeovers Feb 27 16:12:16 or source package with higher version submitted, so that the binary package replaces the corrupted one Feb 27 16:12:17 right ? Feb 27 16:13:27 DocScrutinizer05: AFAIK jskarvad tried to contact tryagain on the navit IRC channel without success Feb 27 16:13:49 hmm Feb 27 16:13:56 DocScrutinizer05: so I guess he could be considered to be an unresponsive maintainer & maintainership reassigned ? Feb 27 16:14:27 it usually works like that in that in other distros Feb 27 16:14:27 he could be on holidays Feb 27 16:15:54 I also wrote him email few days ago on his navit contact Feb 27 16:16:00 so far without reply Feb 27 16:16:13 well, see his profile http://maemo.org/profile/view/tryagain/ and obviously the request for maintainership (http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopKE3616.png) must be younger than that Feb 27 16:17:05 xes: any coments on the navit problem? Feb 27 16:25:52 DocScrutinizer05: i looked at the builds in cauldron and i didn't understood why the chksum error appeared Feb 27 16:25:54 on http://maemo.org/packages/view/navit/ I see versions like "navit 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1~6534" which has a space it seems Feb 27 16:26:33 we also once hat an general issue about iirc "+" vs "-" in package version names Feb 27 16:26:41 had* Feb 27 16:28:05 I don't understand the naming in http://maemo.org/packages/view/navit/ Feb 27 16:28:42 i digged a lot about tryagain and even if it seems to be in the navit development team, he appears online 2 times a year... Feb 27 16:29:17 hmm, iirc the '~' symbols is the one that makes problems Feb 27 16:29:21 does it hurt to grant maintainership to him? Feb 27 16:29:31 freemangordon_: yep Feb 27 16:29:39 but anyway I don;t see how it should cause checksum errors Feb 27 16:29:47 *could Feb 27 16:30:29 it's some weird stuff where an old package gets imported while the checksum etc is calculated from the new pkg iirc Feb 27 16:30:40 and if uploaded another package too fast while previous was still building? Feb 27 16:30:55 yes, that too Feb 27 16:31:07 I don;t see it uploaded too fast, there is 4 days period between 2 versions Feb 27 16:31:09 we should have a time ticket system there Feb 27 16:38:56 maximum useless interface of midgard: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopBu3616.png - yet needs >60s to come up Feb 27 16:42:12 I'm sure it does at least 50 JOINs internally Feb 27 16:43:06 upf... builder: builder1 ... builder: builder2 Feb 27 16:43:48 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopPQ3616.png .oO(???!!??) Feb 27 16:52:04 there's a link I possibly could click on: "restore version 1.1" http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopAK3616.png Feb 27 16:52:54 nfc what it *really* will do though Feb 27 16:53:16 ass-gard Feb 27 16:56:24 http://maemo.org/packages/view/navit/ says "imported to testing" but clicking the link gives me 404 >>The requested URL /packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/navit// could not be found on this server.<< Feb 27 17:01:05 on a GENERAL SIDENOTE: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1497990#post1497990 says "apt-get UPGRADE" on DEVEL! This is a sure bet how to kill your system Feb 27 17:02:48 Did it. Survived. Feb 27 17:03:10 well, if you check what it proposes Feb 27 17:03:17 before proceeding Feb 27 17:04:19 actually I'm inclined to close as WONTFIX Feb 27 17:04:34 resp INVALID Feb 27 17:05:25 upgrade on devel is expected to show exactly this class of errors where packages have the potential to break the upgrade process or even kill your complete system Feb 27 17:06:14 DocScrutinizer05: are you sure? I think the problem here is wrong metadata Feb 27 17:06:23 yes, of course Feb 27 17:06:51 but still this is a problem against the navit package Feb 27 17:07:19 apt.get upgrade never been supposed to work the way it's tried there Feb 27 17:08:14 I don't think it's about apt-get upgrade, the problem is that the recorder size doesn't match the package size Feb 27 17:08:19 i.e. the repo is inconsistent Feb 27 17:08:57 jskarvad: +1 Feb 27 17:09:32 it's not even possible to install the package right now, right ? Feb 27 17:09:45 yes, as I said above, a problem in the navit package Feb 27 17:10:22 also what really concerns me is: >>Developer replied that the build wasn't done by him, but by the 'tryagain' user. I am trying to reach him through the #navit freenode channel to rebuild the packages.<< Feb 27 17:11:26 obviously tryagain didn't try to contact the developer? or developer!=maemo_maintainer here Feb 27 17:12:22 it's a flaw in maemo autobuilder infra that every maintainer is free to upload arbitrary packages to builder, even when he's not maintainer of those packages Feb 27 17:12:49 so, how do we fix this concrete issue ? Feb 27 17:14:03 I suggest to remove the packages uploaded by tryagain, send tryagain a stern warning not to upload packages he's not approved maintainer of, and revert to the previous version (1.1) Feb 27 17:15:22 sounds good to me Feb 27 17:15:28 DocScrutinizer05: +1 Feb 27 17:15:35 add warning about proper use of version strings and avoiding double uploads by all means, to the autobuilder web interface Feb 27 17:17:34 that also sounds like a good idea Feb 27 17:18:04 I wonder how hard it would be to add some rudimentary check if a build is not in progress ? Feb 27 17:19:43 DocScrutinizer05: drop the last build (if midgard can manage it) Feb 27 17:20:02 shall I try the "revert to 1.1" link? Feb 27 17:20:34 NB I have no clue about repos and the midgard stuff Feb 27 17:20:53 freemangordon_: what do you think? Feb 27 17:21:42 I think it is better for the maintainer to reupload the package Feb 27 17:21:52 ..last time i fixed a package using midgard i spent a long night fixing db tables by hand Feb 27 17:22:02 sure, this would be the best solution, for now Feb 27 17:22:20 err, make that "BUT for now..." Feb 27 17:22:48 ok, xes convinced me to better not touch that stuff Feb 27 17:23:12 so what about bumping version in the source package and uploading that ? Feb 27 17:23:19 xes: you as well should have administrative access to midgard web UI, no? Feb 27 17:23:31 M4rtinK2: :nod: Feb 27 17:24:28 I doubt tryagain had any evil intentions, and prolly the new package is just fine, only autobuilder didn't correctly handle the new version. A known affect Feb 27 17:24:31 DocScrutinizer05: yes. I'm just returning at home. A fullsize keyboard and screen would be better to give a look at it Feb 27 17:24:34 effect even Feb 27 17:24:58 xes: aaah I see. let's not rush this Feb 27 17:25:48 * DocScrutinizer05 is afk, shopping pending Feb 27 17:26:05 anyway... i would be a bit afraid using a package managed in that way Feb 27 17:26:11 guys, thanks for looking on it Feb 27 17:26:27 jskarvad: thanks for reporting and helping Feb 27 17:28:31 xes: we should try to contact the _approved_ maintainer first Feb 27 17:29:20 oooh woglinde http://maemo.org/profile/view/woglinde/ Feb 27 17:34:31 MichaelD aka tryagain's email is @navit-project.org Feb 27 17:36:33 ~seen woglinde Feb 27 17:36:34 woglinde <~henning@fb-n15-11.unbelievable-machine.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 225d 9h 5m 23s ago, saying: 'hi bl'. Feb 27 17:37:30 DocScrutinizer05: i know every detail of the guy. I was worried he was ... malicious Feb 27 17:37:40 tryagain? Feb 27 17:37:57 yep Feb 27 17:38:29 ok, sufficient for me to never again consider giving him navit maintainership Feb 27 17:39:55 shall I reject the maintainership request? Feb 27 17:40:42 meh, not my call anyway. Who's supposed to handle maintainership requests? Feb 27 17:41:05 http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ Feb 27 17:48:30 i suppose it would be merlin1991. Isn't he the maintainer? Feb 27 17:49:43 dunno, I guess garage at maemo.org should be the mail alias Feb 27 17:52:09 didn't find maintanership-takeover requests but I guess they are handled identical to http://paste.opensuse.org/7141639 Feb 27 17:55:22 as a best practice (how it's been planned) I think, usually somebody applies for a new garage project or joins an existing one, then eventually requests upload privileges to extras for that particular project (so the maemo managers can check if the project is actually FOSS with correct GPL etc, simply by looking at the garage project) Feb 27 17:57:48 it would be a nobrainer to grant maintainership_'takeover' (actually the new maintainer is simly added while the old one still keeps that property - IOW there may be more than one extras pkg maintainer) if the user requesting maintainership is already a contributing member in the associated garage project Feb 27 20:15:35 hi Feb 27 20:20:08 hello ? Feb 27 20:20:36 hi Feb 27 20:20:53 new to IRC? Feb 27 20:22:34 hey, a little new, i wasnt using my n900 for quite awhile Feb 27 20:23:21 a pity. But they always come back ;-) Feb 27 20:24:04 i just found it yesterday and there are some repos that dont work anymore, so i came here to ask if there is a list of currently working repos to be found somewhere ? Feb 27 20:24:16 ~repo Feb 27 20:24:16 rumour has it, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Feb 27 20:24:41 or use the one-click install on Feb 27 20:24:44 ... Feb 27 20:24:47 mompls Feb 27 20:26:00 ~jrrepos Feb 27 20:26:01 somebody said jrrepos was http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ Feb 27 20:26:15 nice thanks :) Feb 27 20:26:18 yw Feb 27 20:26:52 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf.install recommended Feb 27 20:27:13 just click on the link Feb 27 20:28:50 also see: Feb 27 20:28:53 ~cssu Feb 27 20:28:54 somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Feb 27 20:30:28 yeah i got it :) it's such a shame that nokia abandoned this project, still its great that the community can keep n900 alive, that's an awesome device :) Feb 27 20:30:42 yes :-) Feb 27 20:30:57 brb Feb 27 20:31:34 it just has one downside: you never would feel satisfied with any of the inferior crappy 'smartphones' after you got used to maemo and N900 Feb 27 20:32:46 on freeyourphone.de we had a nice one: "jailbreak?? LOL! On my phone I am root" Feb 27 20:34:14 another pity: http://www.freeyourphone.de/ -> "This site has been temporarily disabled, please try again later." Feb 27 20:42:59 @council: would you want to place http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf.install onto web frontpage of maemo.org? Feb 27 20:43:49 there's prolly nothing wrong with linking to an install file that links to a mirror Feb 27 20:45:13 I'd suggest I create http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install and you link to that one Feb 27 21:05:53 done: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install Feb 27 21:17:35 ((navit)) see http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/navit/0.2.0~svn2916+dfsg.1-1maemo1/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_comments_comment_page=3 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 27 21:36:26 2016 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 28 02:59:59 2016