**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 05 02:59:58 2016 Mar 05 11:20:11 is there a simple way to reset the data counter automatically? Mar 05 11:25:38 gconftool i guess. i seem to remember it is stored there Mar 05 11:28:24 /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/ Mar 05 11:30:25 ~phonetools Mar 05 11:30:34 hmmpf Mar 05 11:32:36 even wrong, nothing in there Mar 05 11:35:47 anyway alarmed built-in 'reset GPRS counter' Mar 05 11:36:11 does both reset and automatically Mar 05 11:36:30 and simple too Mar 05 11:37:01 btw is there a trick to keep screen on while playing chess? Mar 05 11:37:52 it is annoying when im playing and screen dims slightly and throws me back to start up screen Mar 05 11:38:46 install simple brightness applet Mar 05 11:39:36 pushing long the square at left switches "keep screen on" on and off Mar 05 11:40:16 oh Mar 05 11:40:28 that sounds cool Mar 05 11:41:08 where will that "square on left" exactly be? Mar 05 11:41:17 in system menu Mar 05 11:41:56 hmm could it be tweaked to "long press ctrl" for example? Mar 05 11:42:14 only by patching it Mar 05 11:42:22 http://maemo.org/packages/view/simple-brightness-applet/ Mar 05 11:43:16 you however could tweak Modified Hildon Desktop hotkeys to do such stuff Mar 05 11:43:21 installing it anyway :) Mar 05 11:45:08 hmm an idea for someone skilled enough. Could it be possible to adjust screen brightness for example pressing "switch+volumerocker" Mar 05 11:45:31 switch meaning that blue arrow between shift and ctrl Mar 05 11:46:33 or you write a wrapper script around chess, which switches to backlight permanently on on start, then sets a "trap EXIT $bl-permanently-on-disable" then call maemochess Mar 05 11:48:04 yes, for someone skilled enough such a modification would be feasible Mar 05 11:48:57 i think it would be sane to go till blank Mar 05 11:49:22 i have brightness set at min and it is still too bright at dark Mar 05 11:49:38 known problem Mar 05 11:49:53 wrapper script is also above my current skill level Mar 05 11:50:22 I'm sure there are a few users in here who love to help Mar 05 11:50:25 i can program ur digital alarm clock to woke u at 6am if u like :p Mar 05 11:50:50 thanks, too early for me ;-D Mar 05 11:50:59 haha Mar 05 11:51:35 so basically, dog can bark, but what use it has for me :D Mar 05 11:51:42 echo 1 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness Mar 05 11:52:15 which is the lowest brightness you can possibly get Mar 05 11:52:51 oops sorry Mar 05 11:52:55 prolly bl_power Mar 05 11:53:01 not brightness Mar 05 11:53:23 vajb: switch to dark theme and dark background Mar 05 11:54:13 it's save to cat actual_brightness bl_power brightness Mar 05 11:54:30 cd /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/ Mar 05 11:54:36 well i did try to switch irssi bgd black but it went bollocks Mar 05 11:54:40 cat actual_brightness bl_power brightness Mar 05 11:55:13 hmm seems i can't find simple brightness applet although it installed succesfully Mar 05 11:55:30 echo $light >brightness Mar 05 11:55:39 echo $light >bl_power Mar 05 11:56:03 with $power between 0 and 255 prolly Mar 05 11:56:06 is safe Mar 05 11:56:20 simple brightness is in system menu Mar 05 11:56:21 vajb, maybe its in the systray click? Mar 05 11:56:45 you prolly need to reboot to make it show up Mar 05 11:56:56 or at least restart hildon home Mar 05 11:57:10 found it Mar 05 11:57:26 it is lurking behind "clock" menu Mar 05 11:57:48 seems good enough for me atmä Mar 05 11:59:42 pro tip: when pressing long on the left square, it fanishes with activation. To avoid causing a touch even in application window below, I drag my finger a 1cm down before releasing the touch Mar 05 11:59:54 vanishes* Mar 05 12:00:16 event* Mar 05 12:20:21 topic mce: can somebody help me out why >> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.req_display_blanking_pause << doesn't work? http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026195.html Mar 05 12:23:45 Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "req_display_blanking_pause" with signature "" on interface "com.nokia.mce" doesn't exist Mar 05 12:58:27 meh, nevermind. The wrapper script doesn't work anyway, thanks to chessui.launch Mar 05 13:40:07 ok, you could rename /usr/games/gnuchess and place the wrapper script instead of that binary Mar 05 14:21:36 hey pro's. Totally unrelated question, but i'll shoot anyways. If u were to buy laptop with best performance to price ratio. What would u buy? Gf cave three key features. Has to be lightning fast, cheap and come with ms word. Meh... Mar 05 14:22:00 um Mar 05 14:22:01 hmm is it cave or gave... Mar 05 14:22:04 which kind of fast? Mar 05 14:22:12 facebook fast or 3d fast? Mar 05 14:22:33 i suppose facebook + flash games fast Mar 05 14:22:38 then cpu Mar 05 14:22:45 good i5/i7 current gen Mar 05 14:22:52 + fast and big ram Mar 05 14:22:58 i saw her playing mostly candy crush saga etc Mar 05 14:23:12 ohmy Mar 05 14:23:26 yes i read that i5 is good bet Mar 05 14:23:36 but mind you, CURRENT gen Mar 05 14:23:42 tell her she doesn't know what she wants Mar 05 14:23:44 there are plenty of gens Mar 05 14:24:00 hmm and all are named i5? Mar 05 14:24:04 yup Mar 05 14:24:09 it-XXXXY Mar 05 14:24:12 great Mar 05 14:24:17 she will only notice when it's too late, that cheap+fast means terrible display and extremely poor battery operation time Mar 05 14:24:54 DocScrutinizer05: she dont mind unless it plays fine and page numbers comes by click when writing thesis Mar 05 14:25:05 vejb, yeah, ips display is a must Mar 05 14:25:17 it's good for ms word too Mar 05 14:25:38 you don't need a 'lightning fast' system for that, every cheesy 486 would do Mar 05 14:26:24 so, what generation is i5-6200U Mar 05 14:26:46 coming at 599e.... not cheap as soap tho Mar 05 14:26:49 tbh when I get asked such question by friends or even GF, I refuse to give any answer. They can find out themselves in next PC shop Mar 05 14:27:25 yup and in the end it is ur fault anyway :D Mar 05 14:27:59 hmm what is ips display? Mar 05 14:28:09 the kind that doesn't screw up the colors Mar 05 14:28:18 compared to TN panels Mar 05 14:28:18 vajb: in short almost perfect viewing Mar 05 14:28:22 if I had suggested what they will pick, they will blame *me* - when I refuse to help they *might* blame themselves, odds are they blame me for not helping, then I tell them "I had picked exactly same for you" Mar 05 14:28:52 i see Mar 05 14:28:52 who the hell writes a thesis with word Mar 05 14:29:15 the one who can't cope with oo Mar 05 14:29:18 vajb, now decide if that machine is quiet and cold too Mar 05 14:29:25 ok let me rephrase it Mar 05 14:29:31 (ie. no fan noise/no heat) Mar 05 14:29:43 who the hell writes a thesis with any WYSIWYG editor intended for word processing Mar 05 14:29:54 i suppose it sits on our kitchen table as usually Mar 05 14:29:59 as opposed to using latex Mar 05 14:30:13 so battery/noise doesn't really matter Mar 05 14:30:30 vajb, noise matters, trust me Mar 05 14:30:54 sooner or later you will be irritated if it comes with crappy fan/power management Mar 05 14:30:58 well if it sounds like vacuum cleaner i spent less time at home... Mar 05 14:31:15 :) Mar 05 14:31:29 anyway, that cpu seems nice Mar 05 14:31:46 as for rest of the 'fast' i guess on the windows7 Mar 05 14:31:51 atm we have some pretty old acer. Maybe 3625 or something Mar 05 14:32:10 propably Mar 05 14:32:21 or windows 10 Mar 05 14:32:31 nah, win10 is spyware Mar 05 14:32:36 unless you dont mind Mar 05 14:32:40 i guess 8.x is pretty much ancient history now Mar 05 14:33:05 well it is not _my_ laptop Mar 05 14:33:12 KotCzarny: not minding privacy rape is like saying you dont need freedom of speech cause you have nothing to say Mar 05 14:33:15 yeah because some russian script kid spying on you is better Mar 05 14:33:21 imho, very poisonous attitude Mar 05 14:33:24 if she becomes your wife, it WILL be YOURS Mar 05 14:33:49 hmm she did pop the topic... Mar 05 14:33:59 but... Mar 05 14:34:14 I never touched win8 and I swore to never touch win10 either Mar 05 14:34:25 DocScrutinizer05: yeah but you don't use windows 7 either Mar 05 14:34:46 but i5-6xxxx should be nice? Mar 05 14:34:50 yup Mar 05 14:34:54 none of the msdos versions since NT 6.0 are any good Mar 05 14:34:55 I admit I do, installed win7 on that dedicated winoze PC I got me a year ago Mar 05 14:34:56 especially xxxU Mar 05 14:34:58 i7 6700K or bust Mar 05 14:35:03 DocScrutinizer05: you should upgrade Mar 05 14:35:04 which means ultralowvoltage Mar 05 14:35:09 windows 10 *is* better Mar 05 14:35:11 fuck no! Mar 05 14:35:20 alright, you're dumb too Mar 05 14:35:48 Vajb: how cheap are we talking about here, exactly? Mar 05 14:35:49 i set up one win10 for a friend, but didn't pay much attention. Basically i disabled every "this sends something to smowhere for ur convenience" Mar 05 14:35:52 I won't pay anual fees to M$ for using their crap Mar 05 14:36:08 because honestly, you could probably consider buying a macbook Mar 05 14:36:09 they're cute Mar 05 14:36:12 I won't spend weeks or months to teach win10 to not phone home, either Mar 05 14:36:20 and the specs of a 13" macbook pro are not bad at all Mar 05 14:36:24 vajb: there are plenty of no-visible-config features of win10 that will spy on you Mar 05 14:36:24 i dont see any OS that comes without C compiler from the box to have any relevance to people that have skill Mar 05 14:36:53 buZz: what if you can install it with an `xcode-select --install`? Mar 05 14:37:15 xcode wasn't free for quite some time Mar 05 14:37:21 i mean, that's about the same as debian Mar 05 14:37:30 where build-essential is not preinstalled :< Mar 05 14:37:33 xcode doesnt come with source Mar 05 14:37:34 didn't discus exact price, but i suppose <500e Mar 05 14:37:48 xcode-select --install doesn't install xcode Mar 05 14:37:52 otoh linux is 0wned by redhat nsa moles Mar 05 14:37:53 :/ Mar 05 14:37:55 it installs clang and the rest of the toolkit Mar 05 14:38:42 depending on how you define OOTB, you're basically saying that no OS is relevant except gentoo and the BSDs Mar 05 14:38:55 hm, arch too i guess Mar 05 14:38:57 ok gimme some hard specs here. What is average ghz atm? Some 2ghz? Ram 8gb? Mar 05 14:39:11 for maemo systems? Mar 05 14:39:13 you wish Mar 05 14:39:25 for a laptop i'd say quad 2ish ghz with at least 8gb of ram Mar 05 14:39:29 vajb, mhz isnt the good comparison now Mar 05 14:39:37 and wasnt before neither Mar 05 14:39:37 also 32 or 64? Mar 05 14:39:56 ...how's 32 bit even *remotely* passable for any computer bought in the last 5 years Mar 05 14:40:04 so bottle neck lays somewhere else Mar 05 14:40:16 vajb, if you want more than 3GB then 64bit Mar 05 14:40:17 there are >15 year old cpus doing 64bit Mar 05 14:40:20 no other way Mar 05 14:40:21 KotCzarny: no Mar 05 14:40:30 KotCzarny: http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/03/01/64-bit-arm-aarch64-instructions-boost-performance-by-15-to-30-compared-to-32-bit-arm-aarch32-instructions/ Mar 05 14:40:35 kerio: u tell me. My last puter is from 2000 :D Mar 05 14:40:43 just buy a 13" macbook pro Mar 05 14:40:44 buzz: aarch64 doesnt have ms word Mar 05 14:40:47 without ram benefits, 64bit makes arm asm ~30-40% faster Mar 05 14:40:51 KotCzarny: whats that Mar 05 14:40:54 oh Mar 05 14:41:04 didnt office rebrand itself into a wordpress website yet Mar 05 14:41:04 buZz: it's kinda like a shitty version of pdflatex Mar 05 14:41:22 office 365+leapdays Mar 05 14:41:43 there are versions without annual tax still Mar 05 14:42:17 oh, also i suppose celeron is no go with any price? Mar 05 14:42:18 yeah, libreoffice etc Mar 05 14:42:30 the fuck Mar 05 14:42:33 what year is this D: Mar 05 14:42:36 buzz, he specifically said ms word Mar 05 14:42:45 who did Mar 05 14:42:48 Vajb: you still haven't told us what's the budget Mar 05 14:42:50 vajb Mar 05 14:43:02 buzz: also, i use mcedit for all my word editing needs Mar 05 14:43:03 thats sad Mar 05 14:43:10 i use nano :) Mar 05 14:43:19 kerio: i told that probably less than 500 for sure Mar 05 14:43:19 and markdown Mar 05 14:43:23 and mediawiki Mar 05 14:43:24 :P Mar 05 14:43:41 500e that is Mar 05 14:43:42 i doubt you'll buy a good and fast laptop for less than 500 moneys Mar 05 14:43:55 refurbed i5's can be had for ~200 Mar 05 14:43:58 exactly the point Mar 05 14:44:06 refurbished* Mar 05 14:44:08 but they still offer celeron's here in finland Mar 05 14:44:15 ouch Mar 05 14:44:36 Vajb: 2000. Eh older than mine 2005 Mar 05 14:45:01 isn't she going to *work* on it? Mar 05 14:45:14 personally i still use thinkpads 6x series Mar 05 14:45:16 sunshavi: amd tb 1,3ghz. The stuff from where the dreams are made of Mar 05 14:45:22 x60s/x61/t61 Mar 05 14:45:40 with ssd drive its speedy enough Mar 05 14:45:47 and can be had for <100eur Mar 05 14:45:54 pentium M 1.7 with pata SSD Mar 05 14:46:16 KotCzarny: those seems newer than 2005 Mar 05 14:46:23 yeah, i also own thinkpad x40 with 32GB samsung 830 msata drive Mar 05 14:46:27 i still have ide hdd Mar 05 14:46:30 get a panasonic CF-29 ;-P Mar 05 14:46:45 and that's basically where i stop Mar 05 14:47:32 my >7 year old c2d laptop is already sata only Mar 05 14:47:42 hmm what is the lowet i5 to consider? Mar 05 14:47:49 imho 3rd gen Mar 05 14:47:53 i5-3xxx Mar 05 14:47:53 lowest* Mar 05 14:48:09 DocScrutinizer05: nice panasonice Mar 05 14:48:15 s/e// Mar 05 14:48:16 sunshavi meant: DocScrutinizr05: nice panasonice Mar 05 14:48:43 remember that the older you go with cpu generations, the worse they are for laptops Mar 05 14:49:06 in terms of power consumption and heat Mar 05 14:49:11 well, you can also consider chromebooks Mar 05 14:49:18 sunshavi: it's top modern, it was in this year's cinema movies Mar 05 14:49:35 ;-) Mar 05 14:49:57 seems still no other laptop can work on Mars Mar 05 14:50:07 i5-5200u 6gb, 128gb ssd, windows 10. Asking price 549e Mar 05 14:50:18 lenovo Mar 05 14:50:22 DocScrutinizer05: lol. It is very nice. 15 inches would be better Mar 05 14:50:24 T500 Mar 05 14:50:45 i think chromebooks are off Mar 05 14:51:04 Vajb: laptop model? Mar 05 14:51:16 g50-80 Mar 05 14:51:29 15.6 inches Mar 05 14:51:32 >dvd drive :| Mar 05 14:52:22 cheapest i5 i could find from store which my gaming workmates use Mar 05 14:52:32 that being jimms.fi Mar 05 14:52:52 seems good Mar 05 14:53:02 in terms of specs at least Mar 05 14:56:05 hmm with 4gb of ram asking 479e Mar 05 14:56:35 nice from lenovo to sell same model with different specs Mar 05 14:57:03 yes, in case of thinkpads you have to get more than just model number Mar 05 14:57:35 keep in mind most lenovos nowadays are crap Mar 05 14:57:40 plastic hinges etc Mar 05 14:57:44 yup Mar 05 14:57:46 that too Mar 05 14:57:47 wont survive >2 years usage Mar 05 14:57:55 buzz, its for a girl Mar 05 14:58:02 then wont survive >1 years usage Mar 05 14:58:06 and will be mostly sitting in a kitchen Mar 05 14:58:14 then wont survive >6 months usage Mar 05 15:04:03 KotCzarny: https://dpaste.de/inex/raw Mar 05 15:04:38 uh? Mar 05 15:05:43 KotCzarny: I want to locate the VB images that r being mentioned on that article Mar 05 15:05:51 um Mar 05 15:06:12 1/ install virtualbox, 2/ install debian/ubuntu. done ? Mar 05 15:06:53 yeah VB is installed. Mmm, I have done it on chroot. But It did not worked Mar 05 15:06:55 :C Mar 05 15:07:07 :( Mar 05 15:07:27 I chrooted on a debian wheezy Mar 05 15:07:43 um, you know what virtualbox is? Mar 05 15:07:57 it's a bit more than chroot Mar 05 15:08:06 what I want is sb2, cos I could hildonize an app 4 n800. and also do some work 4 n900 Mar 05 15:08:44 old scrachbox is too painful Mar 05 15:09:47 well, i just have sb800 and sb900 folders and just switch between them Mar 05 15:10:11 in anybody else here doing development for both n800 and n900?. Can You share your setup? Mar 05 15:10:17 and i prefer sb1 because it's independent of the host os Mar 05 15:11:07 sb2, Would let me use a newer compiler for n800, so better space when generating binaries Mar 05 15:11:56 for n800 it is going to be paramount, n810 has more space. on n800 I am very constrained Mar 05 15:11:56 well, i have gcc 4.7.2, and for small jobs you can just compile native gcc Mar 05 15:12:13 umm so if lenovo is crap what is quality? Mar 05 15:12:30 ibm thinkpad? Mar 05 15:12:40 vajb: there are no ibm thinkpads since t60 Mar 05 15:12:46 I compiled in the past gcc 4.9 but native 3.3 on scratchbox1 give me better binary size Mar 05 15:12:50 ibm doesnt make laptops Mar 05 15:12:57 ok ok Mar 05 15:13:06 buzz, ibm doesnt make pcs neither Mar 05 15:13:11 i feel like my past grandpa' Mar 05 15:13:44 KotCzarny: yep Mar 05 15:13:45 vajb, still, thinkpads t[45]## series are still nice Mar 05 15:13:50 they dont make shit Mar 05 15:13:51 doesn't either*, right? Mar 05 15:14:29 vajb, i think you use neither when negating something Mar 05 15:14:30 i guess impossible to get newä Mar 05 15:14:46 vajb, not true, check t530 Mar 05 15:14:53 yes, but i was pointing out to two times negative Mar 05 15:14:56 but i guess its out of your price range Mar 05 15:15:37 oh, right, t[45]60 is current Mar 05 15:15:44 http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/ Mar 05 15:16:44 and right now i was told that 500 absolutely top limit. Mar 05 15:17:09 so i suppose some features must be tightened Mar 05 15:17:12 :> Mar 05 15:17:16 or tighten Mar 05 15:17:32 i think ms word alone costs ~100eur Mar 05 15:17:42 well, m$ office Mar 05 15:18:00 i suppose she thought of investing 100e and getting new set of make ups as well Mar 05 15:18:07 unless you dont care and just going to pirate os and word Mar 05 15:18:24 149e was asking price of ms office 16 Mar 05 15:18:40 i think you shoul be looking for new gf Mar 05 15:18:45 *should Mar 05 15:18:54 the one that uses linux Mar 05 15:19:07 i prefer open source and if that doesn't suit her needs she can buy stuff herself :) Mar 05 15:19:20 haha Mar 05 15:19:40 or doesn't use puter at all Mar 05 15:20:35 mine got used to oo and t61 Mar 05 15:21:12 mine has been struggling with page numbers on oo Mar 05 15:21:30 isnt page numbers done the last? Mar 05 15:21:33 precisely page numbering starting from page 3 Mar 05 15:22:07 no idea Mar 05 15:22:29 but i heard that for word u get ready base and it just magically works Mar 05 15:22:40 also, if its for printing, you design cover in different file Mar 05 15:22:56 i guess i should take a look, but eh what's there to learn then Mar 05 15:23:29 no. It is becuse of stict rules of document formatting. Mar 05 15:23:41 because* strict* Mar 05 15:23:44 hehe Mar 05 15:26:17 is amd e1-2500 any good? Mar 05 15:26:51 going cheaper? Mar 05 15:27:27 yup it is cheaper Mar 05 15:27:48 also some 4-core intel pentium n3540 Mar 05 15:28:01 is this ancient history already? Mar 05 15:28:34 i think n series is atom Mar 05 15:28:44 which also means NO Mar 05 15:29:13 so number of cores doesn't correlate Mar 05 15:29:19 nope Mar 05 15:29:30 look at single core performamce Mar 05 15:29:43 unless you will be using multicore capable app Mar 05 15:29:43 sadly so far it seems that i5 just is 500+... Mar 05 15:29:58 ah right Mar 05 15:31:34 :> Mar 05 15:32:26 you can treat i3 as a i5-celeron Mar 05 15:32:45 i bought a 4th gen i3 used for 30 euros :D Mar 05 15:32:46 cut down, cheaper, but not that bad Mar 05 15:32:55 excellent price Mar 05 15:33:24 btw. e1-2500 is 60% speed of i5-5200U Mar 05 15:38:02 just thought of cpu comparison and came up with cpuboss Mar 05 15:38:23 and it proves u correct :) Mar 05 15:38:31 remember it's just heoretical Mar 05 15:38:46 in practice intels eat amd for breakfast Mar 05 15:39:26 amd is great, if you dont require any speed Mar 05 15:39:41 buzz, i use 1100t for my gaming pc Mar 05 15:39:53 but all i play is borderlands ;) Mar 05 15:40:01 hehe 6 year old cpu Mar 05 15:40:05 thats almost retro Mar 05 15:40:32 but it's nice enough, and i'll probably upgrade when ddr4 prices go down Mar 05 15:40:35 seems n3540 is 'bout same as e1 Mar 05 15:41:35 even i3 seems better than those two Mar 05 15:42:01 i3 is i5 without turbo, half cores and aes Mar 05 15:42:18 KotCzarny: my main workstation used to be a c2d e8400 Mar 05 15:42:18 so it still depends on your use Mar 05 15:42:24 how about i3 quad? Mar 05 15:42:33 vajb, which gen? Mar 05 15:42:36 still single core matters i guess Mar 05 15:42:59 3220 Mar 05 15:43:56 KotCzarny: funny, about equal benchmarks to your 1 year younger amd :) at ~70% of power usage Mar 05 15:44:10 buzz, 6 cores Mar 05 15:44:12 actually it seems to be pretty close to i5 5200 Mar 05 15:44:17 yeah including that KotCzarny Mar 05 15:44:25 also, able to overclock to 3.5-3.8 easily Mar 05 15:44:35 2 cores c2d 3ghz are about same speed as 6 cores phenom II at 3.2ghz Mar 05 15:44:51 single core the c2d beats it completely Mar 05 15:44:54 those phenoms BE were made to overclock Mar 05 15:45:06 i only overclock gpus :P Mar 05 15:45:25 but i got it long time ago cheaply Mar 05 15:45:41 i bought this c2d 3 years ago for 25 euros Mar 05 15:45:43 and it was no-brains upgrade to my rig (was using 245e at the time Mar 05 15:45:51 incl case, psu , motherboard, etc Mar 05 15:46:29 gotta love companies that upgrade every 3 years and dont know what to do with all the left overs ;) Mar 05 16:07:34 t420 i5 2520m 280 dollars Mar 05 16:07:44 certified refurbished Mar 05 16:09:05 ah nvm "doesn't ship to finland" Mar 05 16:29:00 vajb, always look at the specs Mar 05 16:37:05 yeah Mar 05 16:37:57 just learnt that i5-5200u beats i7-640lm anyday alltho latter is seemingly better in all specs Mar 05 16:38:12 640 seems old, 1gen Mar 05 16:39:14 Vajb, the specs you're not looking at is IPC Mar 05 16:39:43 ipc? Mar 05 16:40:14 instructions per clock Mar 05 16:40:53 shadowjk, problem is not every instruction has the same time on each of the cpus Mar 05 16:41:24 not to mention some instructions break the parallel execution too Mar 05 16:41:38 Well these days it's all about perf/watt really, as CPUs such as the U series are mostly limited by how much power they are permitted to use Mar 05 16:42:02 The point however is that frequencies have stayed the same for like 10 years, while performance goes up thanks to ipc Mar 05 16:42:35 so it seems that it is not sensible to buy i3 since i5 is only 100e more Mar 05 16:42:51 not true Mar 05 16:42:52 Which two are you thinking of? Mar 05 16:43:23 just browsing finnish shops atm Mar 05 16:43:48 all i3 they offer are 499 while most i5 they offer are 599 Mar 05 16:44:17 In some circumstances i3 is faster than i5 :-) Mar 05 16:44:20 mostly Y series though Mar 05 16:44:22 also, keep in mind that you pay 'shop new tax' Mar 05 16:45:40 was also looking secondhand products Mar 05 16:45:54 449 for i7 640lm Mar 05 16:46:10 http://ark.intel.com/products/43563/Intel-Core-i7-640LM-Processor-4M-Cache-2_13-GHz Mar 05 16:46:13 also seems most of the are 4gb of ram Mar 05 16:46:14