**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 07 02:59:58 2016 Apr 07 06:23:32 Interesting question: in Modest, how do I persuade it to treat GMail Drafts as Drafts, something to be edited and sent, not just admired like some folder with letters? How to sync Modest-Drafts with GMail-Drafts?.. Apr 07 07:23:16 ayy modest lmao Apr 07 13:08:24 mornin/evenin... Apr 07 13:09:05 there is any way of exclude dirs from media tracking? Apr 07 13:09:55 * drathir have navigation and all voices are included in media dir too... Apr 07 13:11:15 media directory mean open media play... Apr 07 14:13:12 drathir: edit /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg Apr 07 17:14:22 drathir: or use trackerctrl program Apr 07 17:15:25 tracker cfg actually Apr 07 17:33:36 and update tracker, it has abug in stock, afaik fixed in CSSU Apr 07 18:00:35 Sicelo: thanks a lot will check... Apr 07 18:10:51 Vajb: i will check it too, thanks... Apr 07 18:11:25 btw what is order of rules? Apr 07 18:12:14 if i do dont track /;$HOME/; and add track dirs will workin? Apr 07 19:11:00 https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Tracker?action=show&redirect=Tracker Apr 07 19:12:09 https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation Apr 07 19:15:16 * DocScrutinizer05 pukes violently, seeing how gnome crap constantly changes and evolves into directions that feel totally insane Apr 07 19:16:28 >>Tracker uses GSettings for configuration (since 0.12), you can tell Tracker to use the old method of configuration files with environment variables. In the case of configuration files, the configuration is kept in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/tracker (usually $HOME/.config/tracker).<< gsettings??! WTF? wasn't that gconftool? And good luck with the obviously obsolete config file, it's prolly not documented anymore Apr 07 19:17:34 when I read "NEPOMUK" I get a murderous frenzy Apr 07 19:18:11 guess which process constantly eats >5 GIGAbytes of my RAM >:-( Apr 07 19:20:55 >>Memory allocator watchdog - osso_mem_saw_enable(): Nokia implemented this to make sure processes didn't accidentally try to allocate too much memory. Tracker used it at some time or another, but no longer.<< ROTFL Apr 07 19:21:48 YEAH HOW SANE¡¡¡ >>Memory allocator limitation - setrlimit(): Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << Apr 07 19:22:17 50% of memory? WHAT THE FUCKING HELL SUCKER?! Apr 07 19:23:31 ~tracker Apr 07 19:23:37 mhm Apr 07 19:23:45 ~botsnack Apr 07 19:23:46 DocScrutinizer05: :) Apr 07 19:25:10 ~tracker is >>Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << 50% of memory? WHAT THE FUCKING HELL SUCKER?! Apr 07 19:25:11 DocScrutinizer05: please, watch your language. Apr 07 19:25:19 ~useless Apr 07 19:25:20 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( Apr 07 19:25:36 ~tracker is >>Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << 50% of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! Apr 07 19:25:37 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Apr 07 19:27:43 DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, 50% of all memory is only 128mb Apr 07 19:28:03 i'm pretty sure that my irc client right now is using waaaaaaaaaay more than that Apr 07 19:28:41 maybe on your flimsy system. on my system it's at least 4GB, and since >>between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG<< it's prolly unlimited on my 64bit system Apr 07 19:28:59 yes, on my flimsy n900 Apr 07 19:29:57 also the question is if swap counts as "total memory" Apr 07 19:30:09 on my lappy 50% would be 8gb Apr 07 19:30:41 and note that 50% is LOWER limit, upper limit is MAXLONG Apr 07 19:31:17 ...what Apr 07 19:31:25 it's forced to use more memory than it needs? :| Apr 07 19:31:39 lower limit of the range for upper limit Apr 07 19:32:01 :] Apr 07 19:32:30 upper limit of range for UPPERLIMIT aka RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA is MAXLONG Apr 07 19:32:52 2^64 on my PC Apr 07 19:34:03 https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration Apr 07 19:34:23 GNOME Apr 07 19:34:30 starts with G Apr 07 19:34:39 >:-( Apr 07 19:38:16 let's face it: like all gnome stuff tracker was utterly useless and defective by design at time of its inception. and since it got much worse Apr 07 19:44:54 on a sidenote: my NEPOMUK RAMkiller process gets started by akonadi_nepomuk_feeder Apr 07 19:45:14 (KDE, Kmail) Apr 07 19:45:56 akonadi dwarfs systemd, feature creep wise and on bloatware contest Apr 07 19:46:48 the fuck is nepomuk Apr 07 19:47:45 tracker's indexer aiui Apr 07 19:48:52 https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/GettingStarted ^f "nepomuk" Apr 07 19:49:48 http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/ Apr 07 19:49:58 what the FUCK Apr 07 19:51:03 http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/ Apr 07 19:51:34 that page would benefit from Sans Bullshit Sans Apr 07 19:52:07 http://www.sansbullshitsans.com Apr 07 19:53:40 http://i.imgur.com/U6CXkZJ.png Apr 07 19:54:08 Pali: thanks for clarifying! Wizzup: great news! Apr 07 19:55:15 kerio: HEHE full ack Apr 07 19:56:00 thanks for the useful URL Apr 07 19:56:10 already bookmarked it Apr 07 19:57:22 that's an amazing font Apr 07 19:57:35 yes Apr 07 20:03:14 ~tracker Apr 07 20:03:15 >>Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << 50% of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! Apr 07 20:08:49 http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/Project+Objectives.html BS bingo at its finest Apr 07 20:09:51 >>It will be Social since it will support the interconnection and exchange with other desktops and their users.<< who would want THAT?? Apr 07 20:13:48 you're just hurting yourself :) Apr 07 20:16:30 really? don't think so. Rather I'd hurt myself when allowing my desktop to connect to other desktops.. related: http://www.songtexte.com/songtext/spliff/computer-sind-doof-2bd810f6.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYeDXp3Q0HE Apr 07 20:17:03 ayy desktop linux lmao Apr 07 20:20:49 any clue what pnatd is? Apr 07 20:20:59 really now? Apr 07 20:21:23 pnatd is an interpreter translating AT commands into ISI Apr 07 20:21:25 ok, why it opens ttyGSn Apr 07 20:21:51 it's used for BT tethering Apr 07 20:22:18 maybe also USB tethering Apr 07 20:22:35 ttyGSn are serial-over-usb ports Apr 07 20:22:50 users can communicate to modem via ponatd, though it's not really designed for that purpose Apr 07 20:22:52 what has pnad in common with that? Apr 07 20:25:01 USB---["AT command"]--> ISI ----> Modem Apr 07 20:25:09 oops Apr 07 20:25:45 USB---["AT command"]--> Pnatd ---[ISI]--> Modem Apr 07 20:26:04 hmm Apr 07 20:27:19 USB<---["AT reply"]-- Pnatd <---[ISI]-- Modem Apr 07 20:28:28 pnatd AT cmdset implementation is not comprehensive Apr 07 20:29:41 it basically just implements what's needed to tether the modem functionality to e.g. laptop Apr 07 20:31:28 ok Apr 07 20:32:30 Pali: pnatd opening /dev/ttyGSn devices is the next reason why reboot/powerdown does not work in mainline :( Apr 07 20:32:43 ouch Apr 07 20:32:53 hm? Apr 07 20:32:58 should only do that in PC mode Apr 07 20:33:06 why it reboot does not work?? Apr 07 20:33:20 before kernel reboot, it kills all userspace processes Apr 07 20:33:29 so that device is closed before reboot Apr 07 20:33:34 yep, that's what I'd think too Apr 07 20:33:51 and if reboot does not work, then bug is in kernel Apr 07 20:33:54 not in userspace Apr 07 20:34:59 because it hangs waiting for nokia_unbind to " usb_put_function_instance(fi_acm);", which never returns as close() is not called for ttyGSn devices Apr 07 20:35:11 I am not saying that the problem is in the userspace :) Apr 07 20:35:27 just a completely stupid sidenote: you didn't forget that the hardware powers up and boots whenever there is VBUS attached, e.g. from a host PC? Apr 07 20:39:27 shouldn't *all* filehandles of a process getting handed over to kernel and get closed, on process termination? Apr 07 20:40:02 I was expecting the same, but... Apr 07 20:51:38 Pali: yep, looks like a bug in the kernel, however, I don;t have serial to capture logs on reboot Apr 07 20:55:41 * stryngs is sure glad you smart folks keep the n900 movin along =) Apr 07 20:57:16 freemangordon: did you check how to configure the TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE? I'm still afraid about some of the options it has Apr 07 20:57:44 DocScrutinizer05: no, what bothers you? Apr 07 20:57:58 hmm, lemme see if I can find the backlog Apr 07 20:58:27 freemangordon: you ask tmlind for help, he has that "special" n900-like device with serial Apr 07 20:58:40 [Wed 02 March 2016] [00:29:29] freemangordon: could you look into the weird driver of the TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE and how to use it? it has several pretty unusual setting options Apr 07 20:58:54 [Wed 02 March 2016] [00:33:00] http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_TTL-232RG_CABLES.pdf Apr 07 20:59:17 [Wed 02 March 2016] [00:30:30] unusual for a plain vanilla UART Apr 07 20:59:55 DocScrutinizer05: ok, what in particular you think may bring problems? Apr 07 21:00:10 some driver strength settings etc Apr 07 21:00:18 lemme check the pdf again Apr 07 21:00:42 [Wed 02 March 2016] [00:37:43] particularly High Current I/Os Load VCP Driver Invert TXD Invert RXD Invert RTS# Invert CTS# worries me Apr 07 21:01:22 I don;t see a problem with that Apr 07 21:01:28 ok Apr 07 21:01:57 I guess the driver has sane defaults Apr 07 21:05:28 so I'll just connect GND, TX and RX, via 100R series for good means Apr 07 21:05:33 DocScrutinizer05: see on p14 for the defaults Apr 07 21:05:59 "High Current I/Os" ios being enabled is ok IMO Apr 07 21:06:55 DocScrutinizer05: VCP stands for Virtual COM Port and this is what we want :) Apr 07 21:07:28 ok, I'll just ignore all that stuff and do as said above Apr 07 21:07:32 ok Apr 07 21:07:54 let's hope minicom gives me a nice bootlog Apr 07 21:08:09 yep Apr 07 21:35:42 DocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot i will read it... Apr 07 21:54:35 ~flashing Apr 07 21:54:36 i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Apr 07 22:12:21 ok, still works ;-) Apr 07 23:39:36 freemangordon: you still here? Apr 07 23:41:22 freemangordon: after soldering the three wires, it's getting difficult to disassemble the device without breaking the wires at very least. So my question: do you really need USB reinforcement (the USB jack looks healthy so far)? Apr 08 01:10:07 Hey, anybody had any luck about getting newer versions of libc6 installed in maemo? Apr 08 01:25:00 DocScrutinizer05: What are you soldering? Apr 08 02:07:37 azkay: freemangordon: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20160408_002.jpg Apr 08 02:20:51 freemangordon: finally \o/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1503047 Apr 08 02:23:34 now next step of this operation: connect to TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE Apr 08 02:39:47 Ahhh, good fun :P Apr 08 02:40:12 I try not to solder anything I'm going to be using anymore, everytime I do I end up getting it too hot and the contact pads come off the board Apr 08 02:40:37 But then again, I never buy the things I need to actually do it properly because I say I'll get them next time and never do Apr 08 02:41:19 So I end up holding things together with one hand while soldering and powering through the radiating heat that's heading to my fingers, then get upset when the solder isn't flowing because I keep forgetting to buy flux Apr 08 02:56:07 azkay_: too hot is just a matter of decent equipment Apr 08 02:57:18 get a good soldering iron with temperature control, adjust it to 330°C, use highest quality electronic solder (Fluitin for example) Apr 08 02:58:11 So, better than my $10 on/off iron? :P Apr 08 02:58:25 apply minimal amount of solder to iron tip (for improved heat transfer), then heat up the pad until the solder wire liquifies *on the pad* Apr 08 02:59:20 don't apply heat longer than MAX 10s Apr 08 02:59:27 rather 5s Apr 08 02:59:47 if it doesn't work, increase temperature by a 10°C **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 08 02:59:58 2016