**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 10 02:59:58 2016 Apr 10 03:06:23 https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-pro/ Apr 10 10:05:24 i recently screwed up a section of my uni's network Apr 10 10:06:06 because i connected to the network an ap that was configured to act as dhcp server not only on the wireless interface Apr 10 10:06:41 it department had the ability to locate te issue, but weren't able to block my dhcp responses Apr 10 10:06:55 so i was called and asked to disable my dhcp server Apr 10 10:07:40 Classic Apr 10 11:54:30 ~seen sailus Apr 10 11:54:32 i haven't seen 'sailus', Pali Apr 10 11:55:08 Pali: he is on #maemo-ssu Apr 10 11:55:26 I already pinged him Apr 10 14:17:56 Pali: freemangordon: you had the Europa vs DHL issue rethought and made a decision? Apr 10 15:04:03 DocScrutinizer05: which issue? Apr 10 15:04:48 whether to send the debug-N900 to freemangordon or rather hook it up locally to Europa, like the pimped bBB-xM a while ago Apr 10 15:06:39 hm? what is debug-N900? Apr 10 15:11:18 a N900 with serial console Apr 10 15:11:57 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1503047#post1503047 Apr 10 15:12:48 hmm... currently I do not need serial console on real hw Apr 10 15:13:13 broken stuff (like division by zero in omapfb) are better to debug in qemu Apr 10 15:14:31 DocScrutinizer05: you'd better send it Apr 10 15:14:47 and other parts which I'm hacking do not need serial console on real n900 hw... either qemu (serial console) or real device with ssh+wifi is enough for me Apr 10 15:23:43 freemangordon: soit's decided. I need to cleanup the nasty wiring a bit, fix the heavy cable from adapter to the device so the flomsy thin wires I soldered (the red ones) don't break immediately, then I pack and send it Apr 10 15:25:29 ok, great Apr 10 16:22:17 i've just written to coderus to ask him his libwa status Apr 10 16:22:28 depending on his response i may end yappari completely Apr 10 16:22:51 maybe it's gui is usable as telegram frontend or something Apr 10 16:22:57 s/it's/its/ Apr 10 16:22:58 ceene meant: maybe its gui is usable as telegram frontend or something Apr 10 16:23:45 nobody here in spain uses telegram, though Apr 10 16:23:47 just my geek friends Apr 10 16:24:14 well, now i'm almost happy than i'm asocial so i don't have many friends that i'd like to communicate with anyhow :D Apr 10 17:08:11 ceene: irc ftw? Apr 10 17:25:57 hehehe Apr 10 17:36:01 ceene: oh well Apr 10 17:57:34 well, i think there's a little hope Apr 10 17:57:49 coderus has ceased development, but his libwa is more or less up to date, it seems Apr 10 17:58:01 i still have to port all my code to use his library Apr 10 17:58:06 but i think it's feasible... Apr 10 17:58:16 but some help is always appreciated Apr 10 17:58:19 :P Apr 10 17:58:59 would there be enough people to contribute and pay a guy to do it? Apr 10 18:02:16 I'd bet on it, when that campaign gets properly published and designed Apr 10 18:02:43 the question is rather: can you find such guy? Apr 10 18:03:10 it shouldn't be that hard Apr 10 18:03:15 a guy who can code in qt4 Apr 10 18:03:28 and has the time to actually do it Apr 10 18:03:37 well, if you pay him, he'll have the time Apr 10 18:04:08 then you need to pay him fulltime, possibly for years, so good that he quits his recent job Apr 10 18:04:38 that's true, yes Apr 10 18:04:44 or maybe not so well paid Apr 10 18:04:45 or you find arbitrary coders possibly in china or india Apr 10 18:04:47 if he values more his freetime Apr 10 18:04:50 or whatever Apr 10 18:05:14 lots of people are willing to earn less in exchange for more time with family, not having a shithead of a boss, etc Apr 10 18:05:57 I just can contribute what I've seen so far with similar approaches Apr 10 18:06:56 I wasn't able to "find the guy" Apr 10 18:18:03 i was wondering Apr 10 18:18:05 there's nitdroid Apr 10 18:18:10 which runs some old version of android Apr 10 18:18:26 that kernel could be run as UML? Apr 10 18:18:57 well, i don't know how well nitdroid runs either Apr 10 18:26:40 I'd go for replicant rather than nitdroid any day Apr 10 18:27:13 i wouldn't mind at all Apr 10 18:27:23 but it won't run either on n900 Apr 10 18:28:49 it won't? Apr 10 18:29:31 I'm not closely following replicant development, but I thought it runs on N900 already. Apr 10 18:29:44 let me check Apr 10 18:30:31 http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/ReplicantStatus Apr 10 18:30:34 doesn't appear here Apr 10 18:30:58 Nitdroid is hard to build and undocumented Apr 10 18:31:11 this appears in http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/TargetsEvaluation as a note regarding n900 Apr 10 18:31:34 so no Apr 10 18:32:35 by the way .. what's the end goal? Apr 10 18:32:46 dunno, really Apr 10 18:32:53 being able to run more apps Apr 10 18:33:01 whatsapp being one of them, but also others Apr 10 18:33:33 we don't have a userbase big enough to develop the apps we want Apr 10 18:33:50 so... we'll die when HTML6 rolls over and doesn't have anything to do with html4-5 Apr 10 18:34:00 and we won't even be able to run a web browser Apr 10 18:36:02 a 2020 website won't even fit on our ram, however Apr 10 18:36:12 so it won't mind much at all Apr 10 18:37:15 in 2020 I probably stopped using web, that's an insane development in a number of aspects and I don't want to participate in such insanity Apr 10 18:38:30 when it's more lightweight to run VNC to a web rendering server than to use plain HTML, something went massively wrong on a design and architecture level Apr 10 18:38:40 yep Apr 10 18:38:53 that's the alternative i've also thought about, regarding whatsapp and the like Apr 10 18:39:04 i can set a VM on some server i just vnc into it Apr 10 18:39:06 crazy Apr 10 18:39:42 i can use getmewheels on maemo to make a reservation for a particular car Apr 10 18:40:00 but their "openapi" doesn't include the call to open the car Apr 10 18:40:03 ... Apr 10 18:40:03 ceene: there is a thread on TMO about android running on n900/n9/jolla in a window Apr 10 18:40:37 call to open the car << what does this mean? Apr 10 18:40:58 the api command to get the car opened Apr 10 18:41:00 Sicelo: API function call Apr 10 18:41:30 it's the "open" that i don't get :) car opens automatically? or means something else? Apr 10 18:42:17 yes Apr 10 18:42:18 exactly that Apr 10 18:42:23 the key is inside the car Apr 10 18:42:27 and you open it remotely Apr 10 18:44:08 i had to go to the car2go offices and they gave me an RFID car Apr 10 18:44:16 ok. interesting. maybe i should look the site up to understand it properly. we don't have such systems this side of the world. if i'm booking a car, i don't understand why they would put key in the car and have me open it with phone/whatever, but maybe i'm just not getting the concept Apr 10 18:44:18 and then you learn 6 months later that some group hacked the car driving system and you wonder "but I thought their should be separate buses for security reasons?!" Apr 10 18:44:27 bencoh: +1 Apr 10 18:44:46 well Apr 10 18:44:49 and your car vendor eventually answers months later that they stopped using two separate CAN buses because "it wasn't convenient" Apr 10 18:44:54 this is an unusual car rental service Apr 10 18:45:11 because you don't have to go to any office or parking in which they have them Apr 10 18:45:17 you register yourself before using it Apr 10 18:45:35 and then you can check with the mobile app or through their webpage where are the cars that are parked right now Apr 10 18:45:46 if you're lucky, there's a car or two in a block Apr 10 18:45:47 the idea is quite fun actually Apr 10 18:45:55 and sounds cool Apr 10 18:45:56 you can make a reservation for that car that lasts 30 minutes Apr 10 18:46:04 (but security-wise ... urgh :) Apr 10 18:46:07 when you arrive, you order ir to open through the mobile app Apr 10 18:46:15 or presenting it with an RFID card as mine Apr 10 18:46:18 it opens Apr 10 18:46:20 and you drive it Apr 10 18:46:20 omg. that's even scary. so now all it takes is one geek with lots of time in his hands Apr 10 18:46:27 you can then park it anywhere Apr 10 18:46:42 and finish the rental Apr 10 18:46:43 i'll steal the idea :) Apr 10 18:46:48 so you only pay for the minutes you've used it Apr 10 18:46:54 it's quite recent here in Madrid Apr 10 18:47:09 in Madrid they're all electric Smarts Apr 10 18:47:12 actually I like it better than the autolib concept they have in paris Apr 10 18:47:25 in Madrid the model is a bit different than in the rest of europe Apr 10 18:47:29 (electric vehicles as well, but you cant park anywhere you want) Apr 10 18:47:36 because they decided to go with an all electric vehicle Apr 10 18:47:46 but there aren't enough charging stations Apr 10 18:47:51 ah well Apr 10 18:47:53 (there are maybe a dozen in all the city) Apr 10 18:47:55 same issue then ;) Apr 10 18:48:03 so they take them every night to outside charging stations Apr 10 18:48:13 charge them all, and redistribute them along city again Apr 10 18:48:23 how do these systems deal with accidents, traffic violations, etc.? Apr 10 18:48:39 well, the bad thing is that you're so very obviously tracked at all time Apr 10 18:48:57 you're insuraced, but if it's your fault you will be paying the first 500 euros of damage Apr 10 18:49:07 the insurance company takes care of anything else after those 500 euros Apr 10 18:49:29 if you get billed, then you are made responsible, since they know who and when was driving each car Apr 10 18:49:36 if you are fined, i mean Apr 10 18:50:01 call me a thief, :p Apr 10 18:50:03 it's all pretty standard though Apr 10 18:50:12 but i may want to do this in swaziland one day Apr 10 18:50:18 every other rental service i've used has the same conditions, more or less Apr 10 18:50:44 http://moovel.com/ or http://www.car2go.com/ Apr 10 18:50:55 in maemo we have getmewheels as client for that Apr 10 18:51:09 i had to modify it to know that Madrid exists, though Apr 10 18:51:16 but I have to carry the RFID car to open them Apr 10 18:51:28 it's owned by Daimler Apr 10 18:53:24 it's quite an investment, if you're to buy 300 cars Apr 10 18:53:46 since they're the manufacturers they have an advantage there :) Apr 10 18:54:00 and they give the lowest end car ;) Apr 10 18:54:09 yes Apr 10 18:54:13 although in cities like madrid Apr 10 18:54:17 a smart is a blessing Apr 10 18:54:26 so you can at least try to park it Apr 10 18:54:42 but being for only 2 occupants makes it a little less convenient Apr 10 18:58:29 i wrote them to ask for the way to open the car and they went silent on me Apr 10 18:58:38 so i may end up decompiling their android app Apr 10 18:59:25 they could at least have said something along the lines of "due to security reasons...", but they didn't even bothered to answer Apr 10 18:59:35 i should crack it and open all the cars at the same time Apr 10 18:59:35 :D Apr 10 18:59:45 :p Apr 10 18:59:47 evil Apr 10 18:59:53 na, i like them Apr 10 18:59:56 they're cheap enough Apr 10 19:00:06 i mean you Apr 10 19:00:06 and electrical cars are a good thing in a contaminated city Apr 10 19:00:15 that's why i won't do it! :) Apr 10 19:07:00 but yes, it sucks that some companies never respond to emails .. Apr 10 19:07:29 here in South Africa/Swaziland it's so bad that you're just wasting your time writing. If they have a contact form, don't bother Apr 10 19:07:58 i hate contact forms! Apr 10 19:08:24 (( but i may want to do this in swaziland one day)) GO FOR IT! Apr 10 19:08:53 DocScrutinizer05: won't your german buddies go after my ass for a 'patented' system? :p Apr 10 19:09:00 no Apr 10 19:09:15 there's nothing patented in such a simple system Apr 10 19:09:34 the biggest problem is that it's pretty expensive Apr 10 19:09:52 you have to buy several hundred vehicles Apr 10 19:09:57 and maintain them all Apr 10 19:10:06 that's quite a bunch of employees Apr 10 19:10:37 and South Africa has one of highest levels of taxi violence .. they'll burn these cars down :p Apr 10 19:11:32 hehe Apr 10 19:11:37 that has happened here too Apr 10 19:11:45 a few vehicles have been vandalized Apr 10 19:13:53 just this week, a private car owner gave a lift to some persons at a taxi stop. two taxis saw him, and chased him down. in the end the passengers and good samaritan died in some freak accident Apr 10 19:14:20 be smart, come up with solutions to either mitigate the impact or avoid it happening at all Apr 10 19:14:31 wow Apr 10 19:14:54 and i always thought that madrid taxi drivers were aggressive... Apr 10 19:15:47 employ the taxi drivers to maintain the share-cars ;-) Apr 10 19:16:28 instead of fighting competition, they can make double income at same time Apr 10 19:18:22 pay taxi drivers a service fee each time they stop by at a share car and check if it's OK Apr 10 19:19:07 given the taxi drivers that Sicelo refer to, they'd burn the car and later on try to cash for noticing it first Apr 10 19:19:40 if the car is messy inside, have them take proof snapshots before unlocking and opening the doors to clean it up for an extra fee Apr 10 19:20:11 south africa is some weird country. great economy (until recently), but sometimes they can be quite inhuman here Apr 10 19:20:17 ceene: that's really a non-issue, simple to solve at a technical level Apr 10 19:20:45 DocScrutinizer05: i'll do this, but in Swaziland .. much safer place to do stuff there Apr 10 19:27:17 ceene: but yeah, the trick is to be always smarter than any fools who try to exploit the system Apr 10 19:27:24 Sicelo: some nasty stuff happened in paris as well regarding taxis vs uberpop Apr 10 19:29:15 i've just written car2go a twitter to ask them Apr 10 19:29:24 :) Apr 10 19:29:28 i don't know why it seems that nowadays twitter is the communication thingy Apr 10 19:29:35 what happened to old fashioned emails? Apr 10 19:29:49 i made a twitter account just to complain about things :D Apr 10 19:30:01 when it's made public they take care of you earlier Apr 10 19:31:19 bad publicity Apr 10 19:33:45 ceene: e.g. when the car is damaged, the taxi driver only gets a fixed rather low fee for fetching the police and doing all the paperwork, and you send a employee to pick up the car end bring it in for service. No cleanup or other service fees paid to taxi driver when the car needs to get picked up (aka damaged) Apr 10 19:35:43 s/ end / and / Apr 10 19:35:43 DocScrutinizer05 meant: ceene: e.g. when the car is damaged, the taxi driver only gets a fixed rather low fee for fetching the police and doing all the paperwork, and you send a employee to pick up the car and bring it in for service. No cleanup or other service fees paid to tax... Apr 10 19:37:01 tow away and station service need to be employees who don't want more work, rather less **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 11 02:59:58 2016