**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 13 02:59:58 2016 Apr 13 03:44:33 Baaaaack, until I finish my last two sips of beer Apr 13 03:44:49 But then the question is, should I order another beer? Or move to the library with the real internet, and not waste my data Apr 13 03:48:11 here it's pretty hard to order beer at this time :-) Apr 13 03:48:52 Oh? What's the time? It's 1:48pm here :P Apr 13 03:49:16 cmd: Mi 13. Apr 05:49:16 CEST 2016 Apr 13 03:49:32 Yeah, that's a problem :P Apr 13 03:51:03 different antenna doesn't make too much sense. But connecting USB or headset cable makes much sense since every antenna is a dipole, and the GND half on N900 is actually pretty lame Apr 13 03:51:34 the question is: what do you want to achive? Apr 13 03:52:10 I see. More range for the transmitter, I was thinking of replacing the stylus with some sort of antenna Apr 13 03:52:34 Doesn't seem to want to reach from my pocket to my head as it is Apr 13 03:52:49 ideally for a better antenna for FMTX you insert a 70cm long thick stiff wire into the stylus slot Apr 13 03:52:59 But that could also just be the antenna on the headphones are terrible :P So I'll need to do more testing Apr 13 03:53:05 I see Apr 13 03:53:30 you also can pump up the TX power quite a few dBm Apr 13 03:53:42 Yeah I think I already maxed that Apr 13 03:54:00 I'll be back in a bit, anyway. Moving to the library so I don't suck up my measley 1.5gb/mo Apr 13 03:54:01 the chip can do considerably more than what's allowed and implemented in stock maemo Apr 13 03:54:41 I hardly can suck up 1.5MB/mo with IRC ;-9 Apr 13 03:54:44 ;-) Apr 13 04:00:44 ceene: yappari getting IO error for 'everyone' Apr 13 04:20:17 Evening Apr 13 04:29:23 Afternoon Apr 13 04:48:41 Morning Apr 13 05:33:44 Sicelo: i get connection closed by server. Or this is same thing? Apr 13 05:36:12 Anybody feel like doing some compiling? :) Apr 13 05:36:35 what are we, gentoo users? Apr 13 05:37:54 Hopefully. Apr 13 05:38:12 Vajb: yes. if you look in your log, you'll see the IO error, followed by connection closed.. Apr 13 05:43:27 Church-: compiling what? Apr 13 05:44:07 Trying to newsbeuter running on the 900. Been having a hell of a time. Apr 13 05:45:10 to get* Apr 13 06:12:30 What problem(s) are you having? Apr 13 07:23:02 * Oksana wonders where humans' activity is going, if both http://talk.maemo.org and Freenode channels are quite quiet... Apr 13 07:25:09 no issues == perfect device :P Apr 13 07:27:14 hehe Apr 13 07:27:25 I think maemo is less quiet than it used to be Apr 13 07:33:23 Sicelo: :( Apr 13 07:33:27 even for me? Apr 13 07:33:28 :D Apr 13 07:33:32 i haven't looked at my phone yet Apr 13 07:35:13 yep, it's broken Apr 13 07:48:32 and there it is, fixed once again Apr 13 07:51:44 http://www.filedropper.com/showdownload.php/yappari2027armel Apr 13 08:58:03 ceene: lol, looks like it broke again :/ Apr 13 08:58:19 or i'm having network problem? hmm Apr 13 09:22:50 or whatsapp is Apr 13 09:27:54 definitely whatsapp Apr 13 09:28:04 broken by design Apr 13 10:28:10 working for me now Apr 13 10:28:43 ceene is lightning fast fixer :) Apr 13 10:29:26 worked for about 30 minutes for me Apr 13 10:47:14 these are the easy fixes Apr 13 10:47:22 it should be working now Apr 13 10:47:37 there's gonna be a couple protocol changes Apr 13 10:47:47 one is being followed by the guys of chats-api Apr 13 10:47:50 so i'd take that from there Apr 13 10:47:55 or maybe from yowsupo Apr 13 10:48:04 s/yowsupo/yowsup Apr 13 10:48:16 s/yowsupo/yowsup/ Apr 13 10:48:16 ceene meant: s/yowsup/yowsup Apr 13 10:48:27 infobot: can i correct a miswritten sed expression? Apr 13 10:48:37 s#s/yowsupo/yowsup#s/yowsupo/yowsup/# Apr 13 10:48:51 s/s/yowsupo/yowsup/s/yowsupo/yowsup// Apr 13 10:48:54 i don't think you can Apr 13 10:48:57 s/aa/aa/ Apr 13 10:49:03 lol.. you'll get the bot crazy Apr 13 10:49:04 s/aa/bb/ Apr 13 10:49:08 poor thing Apr 13 10:49:17 my yappari definitely gone :( Apr 13 10:49:34 * Sicelo hops it's not a ban Apr 13 10:49:50 oh Apr 13 10:49:53 but it shouldn't Apr 13 10:49:56 im logged in. Didn't try to chat tho Apr 13 10:49:59 2.0.27 worked for like 30 minutes Apr 13 10:50:02 i assume you've restarted it? Apr 13 10:50:09 then exact same as before Apr 13 10:50:16 :/ Apr 13 10:50:23 and the log says anything new? Apr 13 10:50:26 i'm logged right now Apr 13 10:51:22 There was an IO error: Connection closed by server. Apr 13 10:51:23 Connection closed. Apr 13 10:51:39 yup works for me just now Apr 13 10:52:01 well didn't got reply yet but it shows msg went through Apr 13 10:52:11 what if you try to re-register? Apr 13 10:52:21 i'll try Apr 13 10:52:21 i'm afraid you may be banned :/ Apr 13 10:52:38 ah, lol. well, time to bring in my other number then Apr 13 10:53:15 how many numbers do you have? Apr 13 10:54:00 ah yes, i'm blocked. Apr 13 10:54:09 registration log shows Apr 13 10:54:13 sorry Apr 13 10:54:16 don't know why, though Apr 13 10:54:28 maybe the insistence on login while you're using an old version Apr 13 10:54:40 i have 3 numbers Apr 13 11:00:06 i only have two :) Apr 13 11:00:27 :) Apr 13 11:01:54 any yappari user successfully receiving messages from lumia users? Apr 13 11:35:02 just got one from galaxy 2 tough Apr 13 11:36:18 yes, i can receive from all android and iphone just fine. but not lumia Apr 13 11:48:20 DocScrutinizer05: sorry i went to sleep, what is jrtools? Apr 13 11:59:58 ~jrtools Apr 13 11:59:58 hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Apr 13 12:27:16 DocScrutinizer05: is there an explanation for why that speedpatch doesnt work? Apr 13 12:27:22 ~speedpatch Apr 13 12:27:22 somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 [bug report] Apr 13 12:29:00 Linkandzelda: two words: placebo effects Apr 13 12:29:03 ~crappatch Apr 13 12:29:04 i guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 [bug report] Apr 13 12:30:24 Linkandzelda: basically to speed up n900 you have 2 options, overclock cpu (not recommended) and increase ram available (not much to do apart from disabling some packages) Apr 13 12:30:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS Apr 13 12:31:10 KotCzarny: alright, i'll check that out. thanks Apr 13 12:31:10 you can try some things from here (especially if you dont use particular apps) Apr 13 12:31:55 and installing thumb can help to some extent Apr 13 12:32:20 i heard about that thumb, not entirely confident about what it is and if it has any implications Apr 13 12:32:48 thumb is special cpu mode which results in ~1/2..1/3 smaller apps Apr 13 12:32:53 ~cssu-thumb Apr 13 12:32:53 extra, extra, read all about it, cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb Apr 13 12:33:20 how does this bot work? does it learn? Apr 13 12:33:22 it's marked as testing, but many people use it without problem Apr 13 12:33:42 bot just remembers factoids from the channel, also can be taught Apr 13 12:35:33 neat Apr 13 12:38:11 Linkandzelda: I strongly recommedn to consider thumb only later. It's prolly stable but has some implications regarding kernels to use, restore, etc Apr 13 12:38:41 you don't want to*start* with thumb right away Apr 13 12:39:26 ~tell Linkandzelda about query Apr 13 12:39:46 then help Apr 13 12:40:12 ~listvalues cloud-7.de Apr 13 12:40:14 Factoid search of 'cloud-7.de' by value (16): #maemo bm-images ;; jrrepos ;; bq-calibrate ;; maemo-flashing ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; unplug-usb ;; malf ;; matan ;; bq27k-detail ;; #maemo mhd ;; #maemo dns #DEL# ;; #maemo interim-dns ;; bq27 ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; flashing-cmdline #DEL# ;; #maemo wiki-backup. Apr 13 12:41:35 ~aegis-no-thanks Apr 13 12:41:35 aegis-no-thanks is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1178281#post1178281 Apr 13 12:42:19 ~mhd Apr 13 12:42:20 rumour has it, mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent! Apr 13 12:43:44 Linkandzelda: definitely you want some version of cssu Apr 13 12:43:51 (better everything) Apr 13 12:43:56 i have cssu testing i think Apr 13 12:43:59 especially desktop and app manager Apr 13 12:44:13 open systemsettings Apr 13 12:44:23 there you got §About CSSU" Apr 13 12:44:48 ~s/§/"/ Apr 13 12:45:27 version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 Apr 13 12:45:32 flavor: testing Apr 13 12:45:42 ok Apr 13 12:47:28 you *want* simple brightness applet Apr 13 12:47:41 and Apr 13 12:47:43 ~bm Apr 13 12:47:43 rumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Apr 13 12:48:58 strange, im in HAM looking for rootsh. cant find it under system section Apr 13 12:50:26 try "all" Apr 13 12:50:46 you know you can search simply by typing text? Apr 13 12:51:16 i did not know that, thanks Apr 13 12:51:21 :-) Apr 13 12:51:27 i searched "root" and it came back with sudser? Apr 13 12:51:35 magic Apr 13 12:51:37 :) Apr 13 12:51:51 thats what i want? its not named "rootsh" so im not sure Apr 13 12:51:55 same works on "desktop" for contacts (char) or phonenumbers (digit) Apr 13 12:52:02 nope, it's rootsh Apr 13 12:52:09 no, sudser is crap Apr 13 12:52:21 you got maemo repos? Apr 13 12:52:23 ok, then i really dont have rootsh in my list Apr 13 12:52:36 err replacements for nokia repos Apr 13 12:52:54 maybe you already installed it? ;-) Apr 13 12:53:20 i have maemo.org, community ssu, community ssu (testing), then 3 mirrors from maemo repos (nokia apps, ovi, ssu) Apr 13 12:53:29 and right, i did a lot of stuff last night so maybe i did Apr 13 12:53:46 yes, i installed it.. now im an idiot Apr 13 12:53:49 open a xterm (ctrl-shift-X) and type "root" Apr 13 12:54:29 no worries, I bet everybody did exactly same thing once Apr 13 12:54:31 :-) Apr 13 12:54:39 apt-get remove --purge idiot :) Apr 13 12:54:47 most apps are in extras and extras-devel nowadays Apr 13 12:55:04 apt-get moo Apr 13 12:55:24 ~moo Apr 13 12:55:24 mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. Apr 13 12:55:33 great Apr 13 12:55:56 KotCzarny: so its ok for me to switch to extras devel? Apr 13 12:56:03 with care Apr 13 12:56:19 and what about extras testing, more stuff there? Apr 13 12:56:25 extras-devel is unchecked, anyone can upload anything Apr 13 12:56:27 Linkandzelda: you should only temporarily for installing a particular package, then immediately disable it again Apr 13 12:56:37 no, you don't need testing Apr 13 12:56:37 i see Apr 13 12:56:43 but has most recent versions usually Apr 13 12:56:53 testing is a subset of devel Apr 13 12:57:02 ok, well i have no idea whats on there and if i need anything from there yet Apr 13 12:57:14 ~pkgs Apr 13 12:57:15 from memory, #maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Apr 13 12:57:30 thanks Apr 13 12:57:35 yw :-) Apr 13 12:58:07 idea was to have extras-devel (where devs upload often and early), then they promote package version to -testing (which is meant for testing staff) then testing staff vote package to normal extras for general audience Apr 13 12:58:41 but due to lack of testing staff whole idea fails flat and devs often say 'f*ck it, you want package, just grab it from -devel' Apr 13 12:58:58 i see Apr 13 12:59:17 first of all: watch out and treat your USB jack gently and with extreme care Apr 13 12:59:57 that would suck if it broke, im usually really careful but at night i tend to fumble it in heh Apr 13 13:00:09 :) Apr 13 13:00:18 use backupmenu Apr 13 13:00:27 don't pull the plug out but rather 'squeeze' it out with thumb and digit finger against the walls of case Apr 13 13:00:37 you can use it as restorepoints Apr 13 13:00:50 fumbling in is no problem usually Apr 13 13:01:19 ~ping Apr 13 13:01:19 ~pong Apr 13 13:01:34 when i got this n900 off ebay yesterday it was running pwnieexpress, and it had backup menu installed. i took a backup, then tried to restore to a backup that came from this phone from 2011. but it resulted in killing backupmenu and the phone boot looped Apr 13 13:02:09 DocScrutinizer05: i'll take that into consideration, is it a common flaw for usb ports to bust? Apr 13 13:02:11 maybe kernel incompability Apr 13 13:02:13 yeah, it probably already confronted you with thumb kernel fun Apr 13 13:02:28 ~usbfix Apr 13 13:02:28 methinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt Apr 13 13:02:30 yes Apr 13 13:02:51 come to think of it i installed kernelpower last night and havent rebooted yet Apr 13 13:03:13 hmm, installing kernel will reboot afaik Apr 13 13:03:21 uname -a Apr 13 13:03:23 ;-) Apr 13 13:03:39 it's linux ;-D Apr 13 13:03:48 says power, so yep seems to have done it already while i didnt notice Apr 13 13:04:17 and yes, linux ftw. i need to get weechat installed somehow Apr 13 13:04:18 you prolly also want openssh Apr 13 13:05:13 Linkandzelda: you might try debian packages from lenny (has to be ~glibc-2.5) Apr 13 13:05:19 it's extremely conevnient to access terminal on N900 from your PC, via WLAN. Or even browse the complete filesystem with e.g. konqueror sftp://IP-of-your-N900 Apr 13 13:05:41 but check extras-devel first Apr 13 13:06:15 I also wouldn't want to miss bash Apr 13 13:06:23 ~messybox Apr 13 13:06:24 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Apr 13 13:07:31 if you're a tiny bit into linux already, you might want syslogd Apr 13 13:08:00 it ofen helps you out of a "what the heck is going on on N900 now" situations Apr 13 13:08:06 often even Apr 13 13:09:00 fun: LED pattern editor Apr 13 13:09:40 i installed last night an ssh applet which let me turn ssh on and off Apr 13 13:09:47 i didnt try SSHing into it yet Apr 13 13:09:56 useful: edit the shutdown light so it doesn't go to completely off, so you see when the device *really* shuts off after you pressed power button Apr 13 13:10:18 oh yea that was a pain, i thought it died for a couiple of seconds there Apr 13 13:10:29 hmm, switching ssh on and off isn't too useful Apr 13 13:11:23 proper config of sshd is, though. Only allow root login with root password/sshkey, and block user 'user' login Apr 13 13:12:50 * Sicelo has the opposite Apr 13 13:13:12 prolly works too Apr 13 13:13:34 my ssh best practices are to never allow root login, and only allow user login. if root is needed i sudo or su directly after logging in as a normal user Apr 13 13:13:52 well Apr 13 13:14:24 user "user" usually has no password set, while root always has a password set when you install openssh Apr 13 13:14:30 i had a server of mine being hacked because someone got access to my non privileged user Apr 13 13:14:37 and made a 'su' script replacement Apr 13 13:14:42 which captured root password Apr 13 13:14:55 so in the end i'd rather login directly as root Apr 13 13:14:58 Linkandzelda: but seriously, most (all?) gsm companies do NAT by default Apr 13 13:15:07 :nod: for sure on N900 Apr 13 13:15:11 which means you can only login to your n900 via wifi Apr 13 13:15:18 also fix sudoers: Apr 13 13:15:21 ~jrtools Apr 13 13:15:22 jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Apr 13 13:15:29 KotCzarny: here in spain, there's at least one company which lets you choose wether you want a public ip address or nat Apr 13 13:15:42 you choose gprs.pepephone.com or gprsmov.pepephone.com Apr 13 13:16:02 most others just route you through nat, though Apr 13 13:16:22 KotCzarny: my gsm allows incoming connections by default (i was surprised to find this) Apr 13 13:16:38 their recommendation for mobiles phones is to use nat, because it reduces data consumption Apr 13 13:16:41 lucky you Apr 13 13:16:46 KotCzarny: if i ever login to a wifi ap that isnt mine, i'll turn ssh off usually. but you made me think, is it possible to have a dynamic dns address to access the n900 over its gsm network outside of wifi? Apr 13 13:16:49 no choice here Apr 13 13:16:50 not because nat reduces data consumption on itself Apr 13 13:17:02 N900 exposed to internet (no NAT) is a very bad thing since your GPRS data TX is eating battery for each inbound ping (or anything else), even when all ports on device are closed Apr 13 13:17:02 but because it avoids receiving port maps, ssh brute force attacks, etc Apr 13 13:17:20 so in the end you receive less data, your battery lasts more and you spend less money on non desired data Apr 13 13:17:23 DocScrutinizer05: i just looked at my LED patters .. what is "DeviceSoftOff"? Apr 13 13:17:41 err, charhing basically Apr 13 13:17:46 ceene: that sounds like an ugly hack! Apr 13 13:17:53 it is what it is Apr 13 13:17:58 it's a fact, more than a hack Apr 13 13:18:10 DocScrutinizer05: there's different patter for charging Apr 13 13:18:21 *pattern Apr 13 13:18:34 no, not charging while up but charging "act_dead" Apr 13 13:18:50 afaik at least Apr 13 13:18:59 okay Apr 13 13:19:09 iirc "soft-off" == "act_dead" Apr 13 13:19:41 my mobile ISP gives me limited data, so i expect they dont allow inbound connections by default Apr 13 13:19:47 but im not sure, never tried Apr 13 13:19:56 most likely that's the case Apr 13 13:20:02 hard to actually check Apr 13 13:20:33 you can try ssh'ing from n900 to some shell (to get external ip) then sshing back from that shell Apr 13 13:20:58 ping your PC's public IP from N900 via GPRS, then run a NMAP against that N900 IP addr from PC Apr 13 13:21:11 nmap Apr 13 13:21:57 or do a ping -f while checking power consumption (ideally via bq27200.sh) Apr 13 13:22:08 if you have public ip, it should be right on gprs0, so you can find it directly with 'ip a sh gprs0' Apr 13 13:22:19 im setting a wifi static ip now so i remember the ip Apr 13 13:22:25 if the pings reach your N900 the TX of modem will eat lots of power Apr 13 13:22:52 sicelo: isp might assign internal ip, yet do snat anyway Apr 13 13:22:53 i dont have a sim right now so i cant try any of that Apr 13 13:22:58 Sicelo: you still could suffer IP mapping NAT Apr 13 13:23:47 dang, rain outside :´( Apr 13 13:25:21 * DocScrutinizer05 planned to test a few motorbike / scooter things Apr 13 13:25:35 is there any way i can slow down the timeout of long pressing keys to get to thier fn equivalent? or a way to toggle fn on and off Apr 13 13:25:52 that can be disabled somewhere in the settings app Apr 13 13:25:57 ~jrtools Apr 13 13:25:58 hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Apr 13 13:26:06 yes, you can disable long-press Apr 13 13:26:16 (but removing input method altogether ;) Apr 13 13:26:28 im half way reading that jrtools page Apr 13 13:26:50 holler if you find anything non-convenient or incorrect Apr 13 13:26:55 ahm, you dont want to disable it, just making it faster Apr 13 13:26:57 and i didnt want to disable, i wanted ot make it shorter so i hold for less time. not sure if thaty would actually make things worse or better Apr 13 13:27:16 ooh, shorter. You said longer Apr 13 13:27:50 there's a key in gconf for sure Apr 13 13:27:55 sorry, i said slow down, you're right. i meant speed up. but in this sense "slow down the timeout" i meant as in, make the timeout less... my communication skills fail me Apr 13 13:28:54 any way to check all keys in gconf? never used gconf before Apr 13 13:29:19 i think there was a crude gui for gconf Apr 13 13:29:45 gconf-editor maybe Apr 13 13:29:57 gconftool -R / .. the list is very long .. so you may want to pipe output to less Apr 13 13:30:17 gconftool-2 -R / actually Apr 13 13:31:02 gconftool -R /apps/osso/inputmethod|less +"/ext_kb_long_press_timeout" Apr 13 13:31:28 sorry, had to find it first :-) Apr 13 13:31:54 i was planning to grep for timeout and would have probably found it as well lol Apr 13 13:32:45 why does ssh -X nokia not work? Apr 13 13:32:54 however, from nokia, ssh -X mypc does work Apr 13 13:33:42 ceene: I think maemo ssh doesn't support -X Apr 13 13:34:00 ssh -X user@Nokia-N900 Apr 13 13:34:00 X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0 Apr 13 13:34:08 or rather, your PC's X11 doesn't support hildon/matchbox or whatever Apr 13 13:34:40 also host + Apr 13 13:34:54 this might be a silly question but, whats the username i use ot login via ssh? root? and how do i set the root pass Apr 13 13:35:09 xhost + doesn't help either Apr 13 13:36:04 default user is 'user' Apr 13 13:36:07 Linkandzelda: either root or user Apr 13 13:36:20 and to set the root pass, you'll have to sudo or su, and the use passwd Apr 13 13:36:40 ok so its just like linux, wondered if its any different Apr 13 13:36:43 no, installing opensshd asks for password to set, iirc Apr 13 13:37:38 ah, i didn't remember that Apr 13 13:38:20 ok, i changed password for regular user and logged in via ssh from my pc Apr 13 13:38:28 and the recommended command is "root" Apr 13 13:38:33 no su Apr 13 13:39:31 watch out for unexpected behavior when messing with user "user"'s settings. you might end in a bootloop Apr 13 13:39:55 actually root account is more robus than user account Apr 13 13:39:59 ceene: i can ssh -X Apr 13 13:40:12 uhm Apr 13 13:40:14 and why can't i? Apr 13 13:40:26 run-standalone? Apr 13 13:40:36 ii openssh-common 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 Common files fro ssh server and client Apr 13 13:40:39 ii openssh-server 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 Secure shell server, an rshd replacement Apr 13 13:40:50 for me works the normal way .. don't ned run-standalone or other stuff Apr 13 13:40:56 i can ssh -X from my phone to someplace else, but i can't see my n900 apps on my pc Apr 13 13:41:32 tbh you're not missing much .. it's not really useable Apr 13 13:41:33 yeah, bootloop can be caused by an error in ~/.profile Apr 13 13:41:36 hmm, display resolution? windows always fullscreen, etc? Apr 13 13:41:37 how cool is that? Apr 13 13:41:54 see xephyr Apr 13 13:41:59 i think the error happens directly on ssh -X Apr 13 13:41:59 in SDK Apr 13 13:42:04 before anything else runs Apr 13 13:42:18 the debug ssh ;-) Apr 13 13:42:26 then* Apr 13 13:42:59 Sicelo: ssh --version? both ends Apr 13 13:43:27 ssh -V Apr 13 13:44:05 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold Apr 13 13:44:05 | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend Apr 13 13:44:05 |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) Apr 13 13:44:05 ||/ Name Version Description Apr 13 13:44:08 +++-===================================================-==========================================-============================================ Apr 13 13:44:11 Wizzup: indeed, crap Apr 13 13:44:11 ii openssh 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 Secure shell client and server Apr 13 13:44:12 uh-oh. Apr 13 13:44:14 meh Apr 13 13:44:21 same as mine Apr 13 13:44:24 I have managed to forward X connections to my N900 before Apr 13 13:44:31 You need to allow forwarding, and use ssh -Y, not ssh - Apr 13 13:44:33 not ssh -X Apr 13 13:44:49 pc, ii openssh-client 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u3 amd64 Apr 13 13:44:58 sslayer@collins:~$ ssh -Y user@Nokia-N900 Apr 13 13:44:58 X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0 Apr 13 13:45:00 same thing Apr 13 13:45:05 DocScrutinizer05: so which account should i be using, user or root? in my linux experience i never "use" root for anything but root stuff Apr 13 13:45:07 is it allowed by sshd Apr 13 13:45:08 -X working fine for me Wizzup :) Apr 13 13:45:35 Search for X11Forwarding Apr 13 13:45:37 Linkandzelda: all the things I want to do via ssh are root things, on N900 Apr 13 13:45:42 also perhaps ssh -vvv -Y user@Nokia-N900 Apr 13 13:46:17 debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing. Apr 13 13:46:41 apt-get install xauth Apr 13 13:46:48 tbh i set mine loooong ago. dunno if i had to do something fancy then Apr 13 13:47:12 /usr/bin/X11/xauth: creating new authority file /home/user/.Xauthority Apr 13 13:47:24 it works now! Apr 13 13:47:24 :) Apr 13 13:47:26 thanks! Apr 13 13:47:29 :) Apr 13 13:47:56 I ssh-copy my PC standard user's pubkey to N900 root, then Apr 13 13:47:58 jr@saturn:~> cat `which iron900` Apr 13 13:48:00 ssh -q -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root IroN900 $@ Apr 13 13:48:53 IroN900 IP defined in my /etc/hosts Apr 13 13:49:20 Linkandzelda: ^^^ Apr 13 13:50:28 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/13/plasma-desktoplh2219.png Apr 13 13:53:41 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/13/plasma-desktopSR2219.png Apr 13 13:56:17 ceene: document it! Apr 13 13:57:06 if you can do in one line, I'll create a factoid for you :-) Apr 13 13:58:12 ~listvalues xauth Apr 13 13:58:14 Factoid search of 'xauth' by value (9): xauthority ;; sux ;; xhost + ;; run stuff as root ;; sshx ;; xdm screenshot ;; mit-magic-cookie ;; tkauth ;; runstuffasroot. Apr 13 13:58:46 well Apr 13 13:58:46 ~xauthority Apr 13 13:58:46 i heard xauthority is use: xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority Apr 13 13:58:49 it's a simple as that, i think Apr 13 13:59:01 ~sux Apr 13 13:59:01 methinks sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root : http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about." Apr 13 13:59:12 apt-get install xauth is needed on N900 to forward N900's X to another device Apr 13 13:59:33 please add a ssh -X example cmdline too :-) Apr 13 14:00:49 ~listkey #maemo.*X11 Apr 13 14:00:55 Install xauth on N900 (apt-get install xauth). Run from your PC 'ssh -X user@Nokia-N900', and N900's X will be forwarded to your PC Apr 13 14:00:56 ~listkeys #maemo.*X11 Apr 13 14:00:57 Factoid search of '#maemo.*X11' by key returned no results. Apr 13 14:01:03 ~listkeys #maemo*X11 Apr 13 14:01:05 Factoid search of '#maemo*X11' by key returned no results. Apr 13 14:01:42 ~#maemo X11 is Install xauth on N900 (apt-get install xauth). Run from your PC 'ssh -X user@Nokia-N900', and N900's X will be forwarded to your PC Apr 13 14:01:42 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Apr 13 14:05:25 I really do hate compiling at times. Apr 13 14:05:39 Have to get so many libs updated just for a single application. >_> Apr 13 14:09:46 ceene: HIHI http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/13/plasma-desktopRG2219.png http://paste.opensuse.org/91056141 Apr 13 14:10:28 that way you can know where's your stolen N900 Apr 13 14:10:37 I guess xephyr with proper 800*480 (and DPI) will serve better Apr 13 14:10:38 now you need to make it send you an email everytime it goes online Apr 13 14:11:01 i use a tiling manager, so the window gets a fixed size Apr 13 14:11:05 but everything looks giant :) Apr 13 14:11:32 hmm, I guess a ping every once in a while would do. Rest is already in place with gstreamer Apr 13 14:14:31 http://paste.opensuse.org/16708763 Apr 13 14:15:47 that's a camera streamer? Apr 13 14:16:06 for stolen N900, i think smscon is well-thought-out Apr 13 14:16:47 ceene: yup Apr 13 14:16:58 Sicelo: yup too Apr 13 14:17:29 Sicelo: though first thing those suckers do is frequently take out SIM Apr 13 14:17:43 however... who would stole an n900? Apr 13 14:17:51 i didn't even know how it worked when i first got mine Apr 13 14:17:56 yes. configure it to send mail. i configured mine to Apr 13 14:17:57 I heard of at least three cases Apr 13 14:18:19 ceene: they might steal it because they think it's another 'normal' phone .. or just finders-keepers :) Apr 13 14:19:30 Linkandzelda: you might want to browse through maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo a bit Apr 13 14:20:08 meh! http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/ Apr 13 14:21:53 DocScrutinizer05: i'll take a look Apr 13 14:23:10 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt might come in handy, regarding switch-on/off of maemo-extras-devel Apr 13 14:25:52 http://paste.opensuse.org/98374429 Apr 13 14:35:44 Linkandzelda: it seems you already managed to flash and install CSSU. But for next time: Apr 13 14:35:46 ~flashing-cmdline Apr 13 14:35:46 flashing-cmdline is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12 Apr 13 14:41:13 DocScrutinizer05: im following jrtools bash and tools script, seems less package isnt found or something? http://pastebin.com/hTgdW9Wc Apr 13 14:43:21 dang, no pastebin likes URLs anymore Apr 13 14:44:00 http://maemo.org/packages/view/less/ Apr 13 14:44:31 enable extras-devel or tools repo Apr 13 14:44:49 err scratch tools it's older version Apr 13 14:47:01 ok Apr 13 14:47:42 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt ;-) Apr 13 14:48:20 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs Apr 13 15:33:32 DocScrutinizer05: i installed the extras-devel and installed less, there's a bunch of updates available. should i update them or just disable the repo now? Apr 13 15:35:41 you should never upgrade system with extras-devel enabled Apr 13 15:36:03 unless you are adventurous and not afraid to debug/downgrade/reflash Apr 13 15:36:17 HAM lists it as "third party software" Apr 13 15:37:27 KotCzarny: this is the list http://pastebin.com/0BtMCkaa Apr 13 15:37:51 as i said, if you are not afraid to reflash :) Apr 13 15:39:08 can you tell me why/how it can cause a reflash or potenital damage? some of them look harmless like cooktimer or clipman, then others look more important like hildon-initscripts. i need to make an informed decision on what to upgrade and what not Apr 13 15:40:42 extras-devel can contain broken packages that can in turn want to install other broken packages Apr 13 15:41:28 at one time there was broken libX11 there Apr 13 15:42:13 that makes sense Apr 13 15:42:52 also, debian like systems can go into frenzy loop where you cant downgrade package Apr 13 15:43:34 some people did apt-get upgrade with extras-devel on Apr 13 15:43:55 it all depends on the mix of the installed ones and a bit of luck Apr 13 15:45:04 i can understand how some seamingly harmless packages would depend on some potenitally dangerious ones causing isues Apr 13 15:45:29 issue is that anyone can upload anything to -devel Apr 13 15:46:59 sounds good Apr 13 15:47:11 what's n900 bitcoin mining hashrate? Apr 13 15:47:37 l29ah: not worth the device wear/electricity, that's for sure Apr 13 15:47:50 who cares, they aren't mine Apr 13 15:48:12 also, easily discoverable Apr 13 15:48:27 3h of 'idle' is not normal Apr 13 15:48:38 Linkandzelda: do not install updates when extras-devel enabled! unless you checked each single package thoroughly manually and know for sure you want and need that update Apr 13 15:48:52 maybe you just have a bad battery Apr 13 15:48:54 ;) Apr 13 15:49:06 DocScrutinizer05: sounds like a pain to sift through every one of those and its dependancies Apr 13 15:49:08 Linkandzelda: you can't brick the N900 8basically) Apr 13 15:49:31 L29Ah: you'll not make a single profit in a whole year of 100 n900s running. charging them up would be more expensive Apr 13 15:49:47 ok Apr 13 15:50:12 Linkandzelda: generally you find a package you want/need. you check pacjgaes web interface (or google) and find it's only available in devel. You enable devel, install the package and disable devel again. No updates ever Apr 13 15:51:07 L29Ah: bitcoin mining days ended about 2-3 years ago after asics came out Apr 13 15:51:07 ...from devel. Unless you know you got a package installed yourself that needs an update Apr 13 15:51:32 devel packages generally supposed to be broken Apr 13 15:52:04 DocScrutinizer05: ok. so its a specific case. i shouldnt just update them then if im just curious Apr 13 15:52:26 well, it's quite fresh flash Apr 13 15:52:28 do it Apr 13 15:52:34 ;) Apr 13 15:52:52 one learns best by trying/breaking things Apr 13 15:53:43 im not gonna KotCzarny hehe Apr 13 15:53:46 hmm how do i brick an n900 Apr 13 15:53:51 reconfigure some gpios maybe Apr 13 15:54:00 l29ah: by using other bricks Apr 13 15:54:17 it goes like this: brick+n900+brick Apr 13 15:54:23 dont think it can be bricked, you always have the option to reflash Apr 13 15:54:45 not if you BRICKed it hard enough Apr 13 15:55:08 you can't reflash mosfets burned by shorting them Apr 13 15:55:18 not if they are bricked flat Apr 13 15:58:00 Linkandzelda: actually there is a high chance that nothing bad would happen on upgrade Apr 13 15:58:14 L29Ah: you really wanna know? Apr 13 15:59:09 I know a few tricks (or let's call it hw flaws to exploit) to damage N900. But it's pretty hard to do Apr 13 15:59:27 * Linkandzelda turns away and covers his eyes Apr 13 15:59:37 possibly your best option: overclocking Apr 13 16:00:34 in N900 it's impossible to overcharge batery, otherwise I had suggested that ;-) Apr 13 16:01:16 nuking CAL is annoying, some would call such a device 'bricked' since it's not exactly trivial to recover from it completely Apr 13 16:01:45 * Sicelo wonders why no one suggests hitting N900 with a hammer :) Apr 13 16:01:49 frying NAND there are even tools for that ;-) Apr 13 16:02:22 sicelo: i suggested using 2 bricks Apr 13 16:02:23 ;) Apr 13 16:02:41 Iprobably could tell you how to brick the device for good in a few hours. I won't Apr 13 16:02:46 using hammer would make device HAMMERed Apr 13 16:06:43 and indeed a hammer is the most effective method ;-) Apr 13 16:06:45 you suggested i fixed the sudoers file? Apr 13 16:06:52 yes Apr 13 16:06:57 i failed to fry my n900 with overclocking and compiling gentoo there Apr 13 16:07:17 even though i hit the ceiling of frequency attainable w/o crashes Apr 13 16:07:22 I think it's bulls**t to ask for user's password when user does sudo su Apr 13 16:07:39 abusing the flash sounds best Apr 13 16:07:50 no, hammer sounds best Apr 13 16:07:57 but you're close Apr 13 16:08:16 overwriting NOLO isnt bad too Apr 13 16:09:02 Linkandzelda: that's a completely braindamaged ubuntu-ism to ask user's password to become root Apr 13 16:09:54 so I fixed my sudoers file, see jrtools Apr 13 16:10:19 i see Apr 13 16:10:38 well when i do root, i dont get asked for a pass Apr 13 16:10:52 just in case you missed it (can't think how you would): I'm "jr" Apr 13 16:11:42 yes, your sudoers files are not fixed yet then Apr 13 16:12:50 don't forget update-sudoers after each change, and don't edit the 'root'-file /etc/sudoers Apr 13 16:13:16 only edit /etc/sudoers.d/* Apr 13 16:13:54 since /etc/sudoers gets automatically built on update-sudoers (each boot iirc) Apr 13 16:14:16 so your edits most likely will get lost Apr 13 16:30:03 wow you're jr Apr 13 16:30:05 Luke-Jr: are you jr? Apr 13 16:34:49 DocScrutinizer05: im half way through this page, doing the stuff when i get a free moment Apr 13 16:35:10 what is this "trackerd" ? Apr 13 16:35:17 evil abomination Apr 13 16:35:39 almost as bad as systemd Apr 13 16:36:03 ~trackerd Apr 13 16:36:13 ~ping Apr 13 16:36:13 ~pong Apr 13 16:37:39 ~systemd Apr 13 16:37:39 systemd cabal: a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, H. Hoyer, D. Mack, T. Gundersen, D. Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced kernel. See ~nosystemd" Apr 13 16:38:14 heh Apr 13 16:39:04 unfortunatelly unless you install/use alternative pic/audio/video app, it's the only way to provide files to them Apr 13 16:39:27 that's why i wrote me own audio player which uses only filesystem (and playlists) Apr 13 16:39:49 and doesnt require some brain damaged daemon to update files available to the system Apr 13 17:09:53 DocScrutinizer05: nice backup script, and i finished the doc Apr 13 17:49:39 hello there folks I am having some problem for connecting to server by Yappari Apr 13 17:50:35 it's a persistent problem Apr 13 17:50:45 upgrade Yappari Apr 13 17:51:05 upgrade social network Apr 13 17:51:42 if you can upgrade your relatives and friends Apr 13 17:52:57 yappari 2.0.26 build 5227 Apr 13 17:53:21 2.0.27 Apr 13 17:53:29 Linkandzelda: fine Apr 13 17:53:33 ~tracker Apr 13 17:53:34 >>Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << 50% of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! Apr 13 17:53:59 ok Apr 13 17:55:03 ~literal tracker Apr 13 17:55:03 "tracker" is " >>Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << 50% of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?!" Apr 13 17:56:06 hello Doc ;) a much time I don't visit this chat Apr 13 17:56:42 I still can't btw get inside my emails Apr 13 17:57:21 I have my rings of new emails but servers are not allowing the app to read them Apr 13 17:57:55 infobot: no, tracker is ´´Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit.´´ Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration Apr 13 17:57:56 DocScrutinizer05: i'm not going to learn illegal characters Apr 13 17:57:56 * zamn900 joke mode on Apr 13 17:58:13 ~useless Apr 13 17:58:14 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( Apr 13 17:58:35 infobot: no, tracker is ""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit."" Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration Apr 13 17:58:35 DocScrutinizer05: okay Apr 13 17:58:41 ~tracker Apr 13 17:58:42 ""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit."" Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration Apr 13 17:58:43 * zamn900 slaps Infobot Apr 13 17:59:07 ~ping Apr 13 17:59:07 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss Apr 13 17:59:21 ~tracker Apr 13 17:59:22 ""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit."" Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration Apr 13 17:59:23 ~ping Apr 13 17:59:24 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss Apr 13 17:59:32 * zamn900 slaps Infobot Apr 13 17:59:44 zamn900: say some turing test proof! Apr 13 18:00:22 Infobot suck your lollipop made of silicon Apr 13 18:00:23 * infobot sucks your lollipop made of silicon's cheek Apr 13 18:00:34 wtf Apr 13 18:00:45 in last second Apr 13 18:01:05 you been bot-fast to answer infobot Apr 13 18:01:26 does he/she/it suck my or his/her/its lollipop now? Apr 13 18:01:37 I suggest you don't do that, to avoid misclassifications of your true nature Apr 13 18:02:02 lol Apr 13 18:04:29 I don't get the new version of yappari 2.0.27... but 2.0.26 again Apr 13 18:05:08 Infobot what do you know about yappari? Apr 13 18:05:11 zamn900: Apr 13 18:05:12 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503444&postcount=1377 Apr 13 18:05:49 Sicelo I am on my n900 Apr 13 18:06:30 um ... Apr 13 18:06:50 what difference it makes? Apr 13 18:07:02 ~listkeys yappari Apr 13 18:07:03 Factoid search of 'yappari' by key returned no results. Apr 13 18:07:10 ~listvalues yappari Apr 13 18:07:11 sure but what I am supposed to see there Apr 13 18:07:14 Factoid search of 'yappari' by value returned no results. Apr 13 18:07:53 19:50 < Sicelo> upgrade Yappari Apr 13 18:07:56 19:53 < Sicelo> 2.0.27 Apr 13 18:08:38 alright if it's worthy then I open the link Apr 13 18:08:46 Thread: [Fremantle Maemo5] [Announce] Yappari - New maintainership and new features! View Single Post Apr 13 18:08:57 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503444&postcount=1377 Apr 13 18:09:39 I's prolly rather open http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1503444#post1503444 Apr 13 18:10:26 anyway: Today, 09:51 New version is on the way to the repos already. Apr 13 18:10:28 the first link is better for him as he is on n900, which i suppose means he wants to keep browsing to the minimum Apr 13 18:11:17 depends what's next Apr 13 18:11:23 yep... and btw now I am remembering that version was not good... we had to downgrade... Apr 13 18:11:33 close, then yes. Read next post then no Apr 13 18:12:11 maybe a time travel is what's for me now Apr 13 18:12:45 * Sicelo fails to understand what zamn900 is saying .. and leaves Apr 13 18:13:09 in future you will Apr 13 18:14:06 but for now thanks Sicelo, sincerely Apr 13 18:18:09 Infobot do you like New Zealand? Apr 13 18:18:09 yes, I like New Zealand. Apr 13 18:18:31 Infobot do you like sucking lollipops? Apr 13 18:18:31 yes, I like sucking lollipops. Apr 13 18:18:48 I could bet you would Apr 13 18:19:58 Infobot how does your lollipop taste? Apr 13 18:20:15 so you don't like it Apr 13 18:20:28 you faggot Apr 13 18:22:48 * zamn900 joke mode off Apr 13 18:22:51 bb Apr 13 18:23:18 thank you Sicelo and you DocScrutinizer05 Apr 13 18:23:32 at the next time Apr 13 18:23:44 what for? Apr 13 18:23:46 maybe the year next too Apr 13 18:24:05 just for talking Apr 13 18:24:07 bb Apr 13 19:06:55 i think yappari users are the less technical savvy ones Apr 13 19:07:32 it should be on extras-devel at this time of the day Apr 13 19:07:44 i'll coerce people to vote for it tomorrow Apr 13 20:28:03 any way to access the old apps from the ovi store? Apr 13 20:29:01 such as? Apr 13 20:29:33 * Sicelo thinks many of them are mirrored on maemo-repos.com .. could be wrong Apr 13 20:29:50 i dont really remember whats there, but i remember angry birds was one i played back in 2010 Apr 13 20:31:02 yea i added the ovi mirror but angry birds didnt show up in my list Apr 13 20:31:41 ah, well. Apr 13 20:31:53 guess you can ask those who have debs :) Apr 13 20:32:09 maybe asking on tmo is best idea Apr 13 20:32:28 ok, whats tmo? Apr 13 20:33:03 talk.maemo.org Apr 13 20:33:12 our forum Apr 13 20:33:24 ~tmo Apr 13 20:33:28 oh, of course Apr 13 20:33:29 hmm Apr 13 20:33:45 bot gone to relieve himself Apr 13 20:36:51 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94722 Apr 13 20:37:47 oh thats perfect, that needs to be in the bot under.. ~ovidebs or something Apr 13 20:37:56 my mirror is down at the moment Apr 13 20:38:04 i should go configure it back Apr 13 20:50:00 Well easy-debian was no help. Back to trying to compile newsbeuter manually... Apr 13 20:52:09 * Church-_ sighs Apr 13 21:11:00 Church-_: dependency problems? or what? Apr 13 21:21:26 which Easy Debian you're using? what problems you had with newsbeuter in it? Apr 13 21:31:37 working fine in Easy Debian for me. Apr 13 21:33:14 Sicelo: Tryed with lenny, couldn't download the binary. Squeeze didnt have the binary at all, and sid had dependency issues. Apr 13 21:33:45 i'm using wheezy Apr 13 21:35:07 http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-20160413-233331-UpaPjp6E.png Apr 13 21:35:20 Ahhhh. Apr 13 21:35:43 Should I just use the wheezy repo than? Apr 13 21:36:17 i thought you were installing into an Easy Debian chroot? Apr 13 21:37:43 Yarp, I was. But I figure I could just swap repos instead of downloading a whole system image. Apr 13 21:38:42 you can try .. no idea if that's going to work fine. Apr 13 21:39:20 Fair point. They're wheezy images up somewhere right? Apr 13 21:39:57 yes, on tmo. your idea may work, depending on what image you are actually using Apr 13 21:40:05 anyway, bedtime for me. Apr 13 21:41:10 Aye, thanks. Night. Apr 13 21:48:32 any idea if i can fix this dark thing on my screen? http://i.imgur.com/allUGz7.jpg Apr 13 22:08:48 i guess buying a new one would be the most cost-effective Apr 13 22:09:30 * L29Ah has similar shit on his laptop after it got bathed and was told it needs to be thoroughly disassembled, washed and dried Apr 13 22:09:49 the actual panel needs to, that is Apr 13 22:58:34 infobot, the lazy bugger :-S Apr 13 22:58:52 ok, at least server is online Apr 13 22:59:23 Sicelo: herself Apr 13 23:00:00 L29Ah: hmm, ok Apr 13 23:01:35 ~maemodebs is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94722 Apr 13 23:01:35 DocScrutinizer05: okay Apr 13 23:01:50 heh Apr 13 23:01:50 ~ovidebs is see maemodebs Apr 13 23:01:50 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Apr 13 23:01:59 i like this bot Apr 13 23:02:06 is the source somewhere? Apr 13 23:02:08 * DocScrutinizer05 too :-) Apr 13 23:02:15 ~source Apr 13 23:02:15 To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. Apr 13 23:02:19 meh Apr 13 23:04:16 ~infobot-sources Apr 13 23:04:16 somebody said frankbot was me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker Apr 13 23:05:20 ~frankbot is also see /join #infobot Apr 13 23:05:20 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Apr 13 23:05:54 ~attack Sicelo Apr 13 23:05:54 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing Sicelo Apr 13 23:06:51 ~gender Apr 13 23:06:52 I'm hermaphroditic Apr 13 23:07:03 ~gender Apr 13 23:07:04 I'm male Apr 13 23:07:10 ~gender Apr 13 23:07:11 I'm gay Apr 13 23:08:14 is it really true most people here dont have issues with vsync and tearing? Apr 13 23:08:47 Linkandzelda: (dark thing on screen) OUCH! Apr 13 23:09:37 I dunno, never noticed tearing. could be me though Apr 13 23:09:59 hard to discuss a painting on the phone Apr 13 23:10:24 i noticed it most when switching desktops Apr 13 23:10:37 that seems to work pretty well Apr 13 23:11:32 ok, there *is* tearing Apr 13 23:11:41 never noticed it before Apr 13 23:12:37 one other thing, i installed this: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94752 Apr 13 23:12:37 I however think our system wizards err Gods did something about vsync long time ago Apr 13 23:13:05 however this error happens: weechat: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.26: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Apr 13 23:13:46 well, obviously a missing dependency, no? Apr 13 23:13:58 yea, just not sure what it is Apr 13 23:14:11 coreutils-gnu is already installed Apr 13 23:14:16 I seem to recall there were problems with libgnutls recently Apr 13 23:14:47 I also wouldn't know which packet shipt it Apr 13 23:15:46 IroN900:~# apt-cache search libgnutls Apr 13 23:15:48 libgnutls-dev - the GNU TLS library - development files Apr 13 23:15:49 libgnutls26 - the GNU TLS library - runtime library Apr 13 23:15:51 libgnutls26-dbg - GNU TLS library - debugger symbols Apr 13 23:15:52 oops sorry Apr 13 23:15:59 this was a hasty pastebin Apr 13 23:16:12 http://paste.opensuse.org/66456553 Apr 13 23:16:19 gonna install those and see Apr 13 23:16:23 took quite a while to finish ;-) Apr 13 23:17:02 ~wiki libgnutls Apr 13 23:17:05 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=libgnutls&go=Go Apr 13 23:17:23 ~pkg Apr 13 23:17:23 well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Apr 13 23:17:46 also, does ssh lag for you when you are connecting from your pc? its lagging like a server thats half way across the world does Apr 13 23:18:30 http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgnutls26/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/libneon27-gnutls/ Apr 13 23:18:40 ping is only 60-100ms Apr 13 23:18:46 WIFI I bet Apr 13 23:19:08 i just installed the first package Apr 13 23:19:15 check your AP's and N900 WLAN settings 'power saving mode' Apr 13 23:19:35 yay weechat Apr 13 23:19:44 decent APs should not have huge lags Apr 13 23:22:03 afk Apr 14 00:18:19 so i somehow managed to uninstall cssu, not sure how that happened Apr 14 00:29:22 just reinstall it Apr 14 00:29:40 ~cssu Apr 14 00:29:41 [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Apr 14 00:29:58 click, wait, then click once more on the icon Apr 14 00:31:10 seems many users forget about the second step Apr 14 02:01:46 Hey, got a question about replacing the image in eas-debian. Apr 14 02:02:16 Can I just delete the image folder and .ext2 file and decompress the new image? Apr 14 02:02:23 Or are there more steps I need to follow? Apr 14 02:19:43 Nevermind, problem solved. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 14 02:59:58 2016