**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 14 02:59:58 2016 Apr 14 05:34:45 Linkandzelda: for slow links try mosh, for n900 lagging switch power saving to something less Apr 14 10:28:14 Sigh... and yet more errors... >_> Apr 14 10:44:33 i always treat compilation as an adventure game Apr 14 10:44:47 with enemies, bosses, upgrades ;) Apr 14 10:44:55 go gentoo Apr 14 10:45:13 +1 Apr 14 10:45:20 too bad Gentoo can't do N900 anymore Apr 14 10:45:49 not too good advice then Apr 14 10:46:12 it can't only with a new glibc and a stock kernel Apr 14 10:46:18 you can opt out of both w/o much hassle Apr 14 10:46:37 L29Ah: not really Apr 14 10:46:41 how so? Apr 14 10:46:46 the stage1 uses the new glibc.. Apr 14 10:46:54 ask stage4 from Wizzup Apr 14 10:47:06 also musl stage3 works fine Apr 14 10:47:15 I couldn't get musl to work reasonably Apr 14 10:47:31 * L29Ah stuck at xorg failing to build and dropped it too Apr 14 10:48:38 i guess i'll be moving to gentoo after Wizzup succeeds to make it into a phone, as i lack another sensible gsm phone to use Apr 14 10:49:22 buy another n900 then Apr 14 10:49:26 but the sad state of distcc and the need to bring up a qemu chroot to build stuff is quite disappointing Apr 14 10:50:16 create a network of n900-gentoo users and manage common build os? Apr 14 10:50:54 >gentoo users Apr 14 10:51:07 >trusting other users to have the same USE falgs Apr 14 10:51:11 *flags Apr 14 10:51:25 yeah, it's quite troublesome Apr 14 10:51:34 and why not distcc+xcomp gcc ? Apr 14 10:51:42 distcc doesn't work and i don't understand why Apr 14 10:51:53 and its development looks deserted Apr 14 10:52:02 maybe i'll dig more into this Apr 14 10:53:37 but atm i look forward making a quite unusual open source electric bicycle conversion kit that consumes lots of money and attention, so i'll just whine and wait for gentoo n900 to come to me :3 Apr 14 10:54:18 ah that Apr 14 10:54:39 get a bunch of N900s to warm your bike Apr 14 10:55:39 distcc works fine for me Apr 14 10:55:40 an n900 is $50 diverted from other stuff Apr 14 10:55:44 but my desktop is also Gentoo Apr 14 10:55:50 same Apr 14 10:55:53 L29Ah: not upgrading to Pyra? Apr 14 10:56:03 distcc says it works, but it seems to actually compile on the device Apr 14 10:57:24 does it have a fully functional gsm? Apr 14 10:58:10 don't see a camera also Apr 14 10:58:17 i have a laptop already Apr 14 10:59:57 although it looks interesting Apr 14 11:01:14 Approximately in December you will be able to preoder the Pyra here on this page. Apr 14 11:01:15 ok Apr 14 11:01:28 Important: The Pyra will cost more than 290 EUR. The 290 EUR are just a prepayment, needed to start the mass production. Apr 14 11:01:29 uh oh Apr 14 11:02:33 but it can build gentoo on its own Apr 14 11:05:58 pyra is lacking 3g, though, isn't it? Apr 14 11:13:22 n900 can be had for ~20-30usd Apr 14 11:13:29 fully functional Apr 14 11:15:14 not so much in terms of recent software Apr 14 11:25:21 all i need is a phone with ssh terminal and portable audio player Apr 14 11:25:25 n900 does it for me Apr 14 11:28:03 that's the thing, pyra is not a phone Apr 14 11:28:39 well, it appears as an option Apr 14 11:28:44 but don't know if it will happen Apr 14 11:30:12 and on top of that i can just write/compile almost anything, even on device Apr 14 13:04:52 Hey is there a way to acces files and commands from the maemo fs within a chroot? Apr 14 13:05:31 sure, basic hacking ways of escaping chroot work, or just mount --bind / /some/path/inside/chroot Apr 14 13:07:06 KotCzarny: Not sure the latter will work. Running an rss reader inside the chroot want it to open files using a browser outside of it. Apr 14 15:51:19 Church-: easy debian (which i suppose you're using) can access all maemo files Apr 14 15:54:21 wait .. no, just /home, Apr 14 16:00:19 how much battery life do you guys get on average? Apr 14 16:00:42 ~6days in mostly idle (few calls), battery is original from 2009 Apr 14 16:00:43 KotCzarny: I think you lost me on that one Apr 14 16:01:05 10 hours for me Apr 14 16:02:06 and for continuous usage just a few h Apr 14 16:22:42 i have charged my battery fully. it reports 1212/1267 mAh 6 hours / 5 days Apr 14 16:22:59 however yesterday it drained fully within 4 hours Apr 14 16:23:09 i guess 4 hours screen on time isnt bad Apr 14 16:23:16 is there any extended batteries? Apr 14 16:23:39 mugen did 2400mAh in the past Apr 14 16:24:01 seems a bit thick Apr 14 16:24:15 any external charger for batteries so i can charge 2 up at once? Apr 14 16:24:37 and i think someone here was running n900 from 2 18650s ;) Apr 14 16:25:52 not this one but lol: http://i.imgur.com/vyYkRfB.jpg Apr 14 16:26:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86571 Apr 14 16:26:37 haha Apr 14 16:27:07 2x 18650 means ~5000mAh Apr 14 16:27:16 should last for a while Apr 14 16:27:57 wow, he upped it to triple cell Apr 14 16:28:03 madness Apr 14 16:29:03 that looks a bit extreme for me Apr 14 16:29:25 7500mAh means no charging for a month Apr 14 16:29:27 hehehe Apr 14 16:30:31 or more abuse :p Apr 14 16:32:35 i know i would Apr 14 16:33:45 It would be nice if it was a seperate pack IMHO Apr 14 16:34:23 looks doable Apr 14 16:34:38 yeah, it's a jst connector Apr 14 16:34:42 I would say you have a faulty battery or something is stopped your device sleeping. Apr 14 16:34:46 ~powertop Apr 14 16:34:46 methinks powertop is available from repos Apr 14 16:34:50 ~zzztop Apr 14 16:34:51 from memory, zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop Apr 14 16:35:27 are these tools i can use to check battery usage? Apr 14 16:35:48 nope Apr 14 16:36:07 those are for system wakefullness Apr 14 16:36:17 for battery usage you will probably want battery-eye Apr 14 16:36:26 or shell script Apr 14 16:36:34 battery usage tools will use battery and are mostly pointless. Apr 14 16:36:40 ok Apr 14 16:36:47 i'll try this powertop/zzztop Apr 14 16:36:49 swb: battery-eye is quite good Apr 14 16:37:05 only triggers on screen on and similar events Apr 14 16:37:25 ceene: connection closed by server for my yappari again ... something fishy here. i did add two more contacts today, synchronized, and wrote to them over an hour ago. i know for sure none of them has blocked me. so beats me why i would be blocked again (if i'm blocked) Apr 14 16:39:12 estimate dropped to 2 hours, 95% left.. definitely an old battery Apr 14 16:42:50 well i installed zzztop, how can i tell if its keeping stuff awake? Apr 14 16:42:56 ceene: yes, blocked. and weird thing is i was just talking to contacts only a few minutes ago; did not even close Yappari until it shut down on its own. Apr 14 16:43:56 Linkandzelda: see wiki "power consumption" and get simple brightness applet Apr 14 16:45:02 also get load applet, it's worth it, like a RPM meter in your car Apr 14 16:45:31 i have load applet already, its nice and seems to be almost always full cpu Apr 14 16:45:40 OUCH Apr 14 16:45:50 fire up htop and check what's wrong Apr 14 16:45:57 right now i have nothing open but HAM idle and its flashing red to me Apr 14 16:46:03 ok it dropped load now Apr 14 16:46:03 most likely load applet is part of the cpu usage ;) Apr 14 16:46:11 tracker I guess Apr 14 16:46:22 tracker is a bitch Apr 14 16:46:28 i always avoided all load applets in the past Apr 14 16:46:32 ~tracker-cfg Apr 14 16:46:54 grab tracker-cfg and disable few things that you dont use Apr 14 16:46:56 i have tracker-cfg, i set it to 10 and lowmemorymode Apr 14 16:47:05 you can add exclude dirs Apr 14 16:47:25 but other than that not sure what to edit there Apr 14 16:47:41 try setting it to "stop on battery" or whatever the name Apr 14 16:48:26 this tracker just looks for media files right? is there really no way to have a manual library refresh or something? Apr 14 16:48:30 how many files did you put on n900? Apr 14 16:48:35 let the friggin thing finsih its job (which can take up to an hour, literally!) while charging, and stop doing nasty while your device is battery operated Apr 14 16:48:55 keep in mind if you disable tracker you might get missing files in gallery for example Apr 14 16:49:13 yes, you can trigger manual reindexing but that's also done by tracker and mostly useless, particularly to conserve energy Apr 14 16:49:35 no much, about 1.2gb of wallpapers, no music, no videos, the easy debian image and... 8gb mirror of ovi store debs on my sd card Apr 14 16:49:50 it actually just looks for (and indexes, by metadata) all media files Apr 14 16:50:08 try to add that mirror to exluded paths Apr 14 16:50:20 ok Apr 14 16:50:41 a wild geuss: tracker reads *all* files and checks if they are media files Apr 14 16:50:42 you dont want to let it churn through directory structure where there is nothing to index Apr 14 16:50:56 guess, even. I might be completely wrong Apr 14 16:51:06 this is my htop view https://www.dropbox.com/s/fngf42z1wblw3ej/Screenshot%202016-04-14%2017.50.53.png?dl=0 Apr 14 16:51:09 it also indexes non-media files. tracker-stats shows what else it indexes Apr 14 16:51:39 tracker is an abomination Apr 14 16:51:45 oh yes, when i first added these wallpapers it was ugly slow for 2 hours using 80%+ cpu Apr 14 16:51:47 i've disable it on my device Apr 14 16:51:49 what a mess Apr 14 16:51:56 Linkandzelda: C states at the top of zzztop more C4 the better Apr 14 16:52:02 your htop looks absolutely sane Apr 14 16:52:02 and just use file browser for pics Apr 14 16:52:27 and for music i use my player which just goes by path/file structure Apr 14 16:52:53 KotCzarny: i remember you mentioned that, whats the name? sounds like something i want Apr 14 16:53:06 ~oscp Apr 14 16:53:06 oscp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 Apr 14 16:53:13 load avg 0.54 0.32 0.16 well a tad on the high side but not too worrisome Apr 14 16:55:27 * Sicelo & Oksana seem to be the only ones who found peace with tracker :) Apr 14 16:55:44 i think oksana still has some issues with the tracker ;) Apr 14 16:57:40 my current setup serves me just fine. i have zero issues Apr 14 16:58:00 sicelo: do you have many exclusions in the config? Apr 14 16:58:05 no Apr 14 16:58:14 not many files then? Apr 14 16:58:22 is there any runner thing like dmenu or something where i can press a shortcut and enter name of app to open it? Apr 14 16:58:46 Linkandzelda": yeah, its calles xterm ;) Apr 14 16:58:51 *called Apr 14 16:59:03 bah, is that really it lol Apr 14 16:59:07 but i think there were desktop widgets for that too Apr 14 16:59:44 I messed up my tracker config a year or so ago, before it was just fine, now it sucks big time every now and then. Need to recover from a backup (luckily I should have backups thanks to having automated that process via cronjob on my PC) Apr 14 16:59:45 and even bettery, you can write one in pygtk quite easily Apr 14 17:00:33 http://paste.debian.net/432767/ Apr 14 17:00:37 Linkandzelda: (drunner) dunno, I'm prety sure "there's an app for that" Apr 14 17:00:45 KotCzarny: ^^ Apr 14 17:01:23 it holds up quite fine even if i have more files than i currently have .. recently moved least-used files out of N900 Apr 14 17:01:33 http://paste.opensuse.org/50015409 Apr 14 17:01:47 http://paste.debian.net/432769/ Apr 14 17:01:59 seems i need to clear out some stuff Apr 14 17:02:07 http://pastebin.com/raw/h4ZGUNra Apr 14 17:02:08 mine Apr 14 17:02:35 KotCzarny: so you didn't disable it after all? Apr 14 17:02:50 it's just stats i think Apr 14 17:02:58 i disabled automatic runs Apr 14 17:03:11 it's active. what's your uptime? Apr 14 17:03:21 14 days Apr 14 17:03:32 then it is active Apr 14 17:03:57 brb Apr 14 17:03:57 ok, some more bullshit bingo :-) http://paste.opensuse.org/76461289 Apr 14 17:04:07 sixwheeledbeast: http://paste.debian.net/432770/ Apr 14 17:04:27 haha you guys :) .. Apr 14 17:04:51 i moved my packages to the "hidden" folders in my nowatch paths Apr 14 17:05:25 Linkandzelda: on charger? Apr 14 17:05:32 can i make it watch nothing and only the paths i give? Apr 14 17:05:39 DocScrutinizer05: off Apr 14 17:05:48 off and idling with no apps open Apr 14 17:05:48 off? what is 'off'? Apr 14 17:05:53 off charger Apr 14 17:05:55 * Sicelo starts to wonder how your directory structures are :) Apr 14 17:06:02 then that looks a tad... Apr 14 17:06:08 high on the IRQ side Apr 14 17:06:21 ssh is running as well, screen is off Apr 14 17:06:31 Linkandzelda: That shows a device that is not getting C4 at all and at 250Mhz all the time, no wonder your battery isn't lasting Apr 14 17:06:31 lemme do a similar test Apr 14 17:06:55 sixwheeledbeast: how can i fix it? should i reflash and start over? Apr 14 17:07:04 its only been 2 days since i had this phone lol Apr 14 17:07:43 Linkandzelda: It's normally a good idea to start fresh if you have no idea what has been installed on there. Apr 14 17:08:11 ah well i reflashed when i got it, then installed a bunch of apps and did a bunch of tweaks since Apr 14 17:08:32 sixwheeledbeast: 250MHz all the time is no bad sign Apr 14 17:08:35 per se Apr 14 17:08:48 no C4 is, though Apr 14 17:09:03 http://paste.opensuse.org/81665270 Apr 14 17:09:09 whats c4? dont want my phone exploding haha Apr 14 17:09:26 it's an idle state Apr 14 17:09:34 DocScrutinizer51: nod Linkandzelda: sleep states Apr 14 17:09:36 C0 is CPU running full power Apr 14 17:09:56 i just ran it a second time Apr 14 17:10:12 http://paste.debian.net/432771/ Apr 14 17:10:47 That shows you have power kernal and are overclocking? Apr 14 17:10:55 yes Apr 14 17:11:50 Linkandzelda: you got high counts in zzztop for gp_timer (software) and I2C_omap. You got some monitoring software running that's coded pretty poorly Apr 14 17:12:05 hmm Apr 14 17:12:19 overclocking?? Apr 14 17:12:23 ~omap-oc Apr 14 17:12:24 well, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Apr 14 17:12:30 ~oc Apr 14 17:12:30 oc is, like, an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s Apr 14 17:12:37 ~overclocking Apr 14 17:12:37 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Apr 14 17:12:50 hehe Apr 14 17:12:52 C4 is better, I am used to seeing 125Mhz here but yes 250Mhz 100% would be correct. Apr 14 17:13:18 125 is deprecated Apr 14 17:13:24 supposed to be unstable Apr 14 17:13:25 setting it to 805 really makes it feel snappy Apr 14 17:13:38 going to see what monitoring things i have Apr 14 17:14:12 advanced clock plugin? not really a monitor but.. sort of Apr 14 17:14:20 You say deprecated but I get better standby time with my usage and have done for years, I wouldn't recommend it but WFM Apr 14 17:14:23 advanced power monitor Apr 14 17:14:26 at least that's what I seem to recall Apr 14 17:14:30 OUCH Apr 14 17:14:48 ~widgetz Apr 14 17:14:52 avalanched power killer monitor Apr 14 17:15:00 hah, right Apr 14 17:15:11 my desktop is empty with no icons right now Apr 14 17:15:38 conky, but i dont run it often if ever Apr 14 17:15:56 cpumem-applet Apr 14 17:16:12 forget all those power consuming err power consumption monitors, the only thing they show you is their own greediness Apr 14 17:16:31 n900 has very little ram unfortunately Linkandzelda. so you have to make very wish choices about stuff running in the background Apr 14 17:16:37 *wise Apr 14 17:17:31 cpumem applet (aka load applet?) should be OK Apr 14 17:17:42 Sicelo: yes indeed Apr 14 17:17:53 going to get rid of power monitor Apr 14 17:18:01 better that Apr 14 17:18:50 i only really need the basics Apr 14 17:19:06 ".*power.*" applets usually just indicate they are power greedy, by the adverb "power" in their name ;-) Apr 14 17:19:17 apps even Apr 14 17:22:15 TTE 2344, not bad eh?! ;-) Apr 14 17:22:33 2795 Apr 14 17:22:46 is there a terminal command to get current battery info? Apr 14 17:22:49 ~2795/60/24 Apr 14 17:22:49 1.940972222222 Apr 14 17:23:02 ~bq27k Apr 14 17:23:05 i just uninstalled advance power manager and rebooted Apr 14 17:23:05 ~bq27 Apr 14 17:23:06 extra, extra, read all about it, bq27 is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ bq27*, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ Apr 14 17:25:00 3731 LOL Apr 14 17:26:21 top perl script gives me a syntax error Apr 14 17:26:51 http://paste.opensuse.org/81761924 Apr 14 17:27:11 ok that works Apr 14 17:27:48 http://paste.debian.net/432776/ for the record Apr 14 17:28:31 so wait, you have a tte of 3731? Apr 14 17:28:37 tte = time to empty? Apr 14 17:28:44 yes Apr 14 17:28:48 TTE: 307 minutes Apr 14 17:28:49 :-) Apr 14 17:29:05 TTE 307 is sort of pathetic Apr 14 17:29:07 i feel screwed somehow, i must be doing something incorrect Apr 14 17:29:20 Linkandzelda: pastebin dpkg -l Apr 14 17:30:14 start by getting a battery ... as it is .. now we've been through lots of possible problems with your N900. start simple. Apr 14 17:30:39 Linkandzelda: your calib is off: Last Measured Discharge: 1869 mAh Apr 14 17:31:01 or .. reflash, and hold off instaling fancy stuff for a day or two, and see how it performs Apr 14 17:31:12 yes!!! Apr 14 17:31:32 -bash: curl: command not found Apr 14 17:31:42 i was going to use curl to upload it Apr 14 17:32:29 apt-get install curl ? Apr 14 17:33:13 i keep forgetting its that easy Apr 14 17:33:36 KotCzarny: http://sprunge.us/eVQJ Apr 14 17:34:03 i'll see if i can calibrate it Apr 14 17:37:56 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh Apr 14 17:40:25 DocScrutinizer05: TTE: 8803 minutes Apr 14 17:41:53 dont quite understand how im meant to run this calibrate scriptr Apr 14 17:42:11 ~calibration Apr 14 17:42:14 ~calibrate Apr 14 17:42:20 ~battery-calibration Apr 14 17:42:26 ~battery-callibration Apr 14 17:42:33 ~callibrate Apr 14 17:42:35 ~ping Apr 14 17:42:36 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss Apr 14 17:42:38 hrm Apr 14 17:42:58 what was the magic word? Apr 14 17:44:52 Linkandzelda: less calibrate-bq27k.sh Apr 14 17:47:48 so let me get this right. i plug in the charger, then run this script, it disables charging until the battery is dead, then it enables charging again Apr 14 18:09:56 Linkandzelda: you may want to play with having swap on μSD Apr 14 18:10:28 if you have fast card, you may get the snappiness you desire without overclocking Apr 14 18:10:51 isnt it a bit dangerous? Apr 14 18:11:04 Sicelo009N: how fast card are we talking about? Apr 14 18:11:30 dangerous? how? (besides removing rear cover) Apr 14 18:11:53 isnt connecting usb tries to dismount/export sd card to computer? Apr 14 18:12:17 Linkandzelda: class 10 is usually recommended .. i have been using class 4 .. not bad, but i activate it when i have a need Apr 14 18:12:35 sicelo: class doesnt matter, iops does Apr 14 18:12:43 samasung/sandisk cards are good Apr 14 18:12:48 china knockoffs - meh Apr 14 18:13:15 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Memory-MicroSDHC-UHS-I-Adapter/dp/B00J29BR3Y?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage Apr 14 18:13:19 this is what i have Apr 14 18:13:26 KotCzarny: it's something you will know when you've enabled .. so you'd take reasonable care. also, generally you partition the card such that 1st partition is fat Apr 14 18:13:30 Samsung Memory 32 GB Evo MicroSDHC UHS-I Grade 1 Class 10 Memory Card with SD Adapter Apr 14 18:13:49 sicelo: read this: http://forum.armbian.com/index.php/topic/954-sd-card-performance/ Apr 14 18:14:37 yes.. Apr 14 18:15:03 similar info on wmo Apr 14 18:15:38 also, somewhere i've seen info that good class10 card can be much faster than uhs card (if device is missing uhs compatible controller) Apr 14 18:15:48 so yes, you can try that Linkandzelda if you wish :) Apr 14 18:17:22 so i could partition this and make partition 1 fat and used for stuff, then partition 2 as swap? what kind of size? Apr 14 18:17:42 500 megs would do Apr 14 18:17:47 check the wiki for recommended sizes, and the reasoning behind Apr 14 18:18:00 even smaller Apr 14 18:18:13 apparently 380-something is considered the most efficient, but some use even 2GB. Apr 14 18:18:35 if you need anything more than 500 megs, you are probably doing something wrong Apr 14 18:18:36 ;) Apr 14 18:19:09 wondeing if i could throw a partition for easy debian into it too Apr 14 18:19:28 you can Apr 14 18:19:37 but i dont know how to use easy debian with a partition Apr 14 18:19:45 wiki.. :) Apr 14 18:20:10 still trying to figure out if i can install i3wm on easy debian too, seems the sources give 404 Apr 14 18:20:15 * Sicelo still has it in MyDocs .. good enough for my needs Apr 14 18:20:44 how much do you use it? Apr 14 18:21:11 ED? 20% of the time maybe Apr 14 18:21:26 and what kind of things is it useful for? Apr 14 18:21:33 i only just installed it this morning Apr 14 18:22:10 i use if for libreoffice mostly .. have this spreadsheet that nothing else on N900 can open Apr 14 18:22:34 i see Apr 14 18:23:53 and also for learning C :) Apr 14 18:24:10 you can learn c without ed too ;) Apr 14 18:24:58 i don't want to install build stuff on N900 itself Apr 14 18:25:22 you only need gcc Apr 14 18:25:40 which is quite likely you have already Apr 14 18:25:54 i don't Apr 14 18:26:20 No packages found matching gcc. Apr 14 18:27:17 it would be cool to make some n900 apps, but not sure what to make Apr 14 18:27:38 for building the few n900 applications i've built, i use SB Apr 14 18:28:17 Linkandzelda: there are requests on tmo Apr 14 18:28:45 Linkandzelda: saw that people still looking for an N900 pr0n application Apr 14 18:28:47 :D Apr 14 18:29:14 sicelo: what's wrong with images.google.com/?q=boobs ? Apr 14 18:29:44 inconvenience maybe? history? :p Apr 14 18:29:52 pah :P Apr 14 18:30:06 imgur.com/r/gonewild works too ;) Apr 14 18:30:07 Sicelo: for real? haha Apr 14 18:30:09 need more? Apr 14 18:30:38 what a time to be alive, where you can simply ask search engine for fresh b00bies Apr 14 18:30:40 could make a browser simply for that imgur sub Apr 14 18:31:13 no one ever specified exactly what the application should do Apr 14 18:31:25 but im not sure thats the app i want to grace my n900 with first... Apr 14 18:31:40 :) Apr 14 18:31:49 Linkandzelda: also depends on your skills .. Apr 14 18:32:03 you could help ceene with yappari Apr 14 18:32:07 one thing to note, browsing (big) images on n900 results in swapping Apr 14 18:32:17 how big? Apr 14 18:32:20 which requires app to manage memory efficiently Apr 14 18:32:24 just do your math Apr 14 18:32:40 2000x1500x3bytes Apr 14 18:32:55 add scaling buffers, a bit of cache, libs Apr 14 18:32:55 or, help our kernel hackers .. Apr 14 18:32:59 etc. Apr 14 18:33:11 why 3 bytes? Apr 14 18:33:15 24bpp Apr 14 18:33:26 you have to decode those jpegs usually Apr 14 18:33:28 ah yes Apr 14 18:35:53 sicelo, and 2000x1500 is quite conservative Apr 14 18:36:54 the Intranet at work simply chokes my N900 :) Apr 14 18:36:59 too many pics Apr 14 18:37:02 ;) Apr 14 18:37:04 my skills are not very good, but it would be fun to use the n900 to finally learn python Apr 14 18:37:28 at times i've even got a reboot from browsing some parts of it Apr 14 18:37:30 Linkandzelda: start by writing your runner app widget Apr 14 18:38:11 hmm, there's a couple ways to go about that i suppose Apr 14 18:38:34 start wuth some example/tutorial Apr 14 18:38:39 *with Apr 14 18:39:07 but keep in mind ram is scarce on n900 Apr 14 18:40:05 yes Apr 14 18:40:17 well i'd need to keep things optimised to hell and back Apr 14 18:40:25 yup Apr 14 18:40:33 Linkandzelda: N900 is terrible device :p Apr 14 18:40:39 simmilar story with battery Apr 14 18:40:55 sicelo: heathen :P n900 is our saviour! Apr 14 18:41:17 HTC 10 is receiving some great reviews Apr 14 18:41:20 :D Apr 14 18:41:23 :) Apr 14 18:41:27 droid? Apr 14 18:41:54 and, was it Sony who was working on getting mainline kernels on the Xperias.. Apr 14 18:42:16 sony? mainline? gpl? Apr 14 18:42:23 sure not mixing things up? Apr 14 18:42:26 something like that, Apr 14 18:42:27 i have a galaxy note 3 running android, but im really bored of android Apr 14 18:42:32 let me go check Apr 14 18:43:44 KotCzarny: http://developer.sonymobile.com/2016/02/17/work-on-the-mainline-kernel-for-open-xperia-devices/ Apr 14 18:43:59 Linkandzelda: android has apps :p Apr 14 18:44:04 and apps Apr 14 18:44:06 and apps Apr 14 18:44:24 hrm Apr 14 18:44:38 something is fishy about that sony experiment Apr 14 18:44:40 :P Apr 14 18:44:59 sicelo: n900 has oscp :P Apr 14 18:45:19 port it to android and iOS, and make money, heh Apr 14 18:45:23 :) Apr 14 18:45:34 i would need a manager for that Apr 14 18:45:45 Linkandzelda can be your manager Apr 14 18:46:15 Linkandzelda: are you the Linkandzelda from #cryptorush ? :) Apr 14 18:46:29 buZz: yes, long time no see Apr 14 18:46:34 * buZz waves Apr 14 18:48:13 sicelo: http://developer.sonymobile.com/2014/06/02/alin-jerpelea-from-cyanogenmods-freexperia-team-joins-sonys-developer-program/ Apr 14 18:48:19 it's the guy from your post Apr 14 18:49:45 two years ago, omg! Apr 14 18:49:56 buZz: still into alts? Apr 14 18:50:02 Linkandzelda: totally :) Apr 14 18:50:17 hmm, that sony opensource project looks to be focussed at random qualcomm devices Apr 14 18:50:21 not specifically sony Apr 14 18:50:30 i wonder how far sony will go with this Apr 14 18:50:47 it looks like maemo situation in nokia Apr 14 18:50:58 some ideas, some small projects Apr 14 18:51:22 maybe they will release something, then if it catches on it will get corporatized then killed Apr 14 18:51:24 well i dont think nokia ever went mainline? Apr 14 18:51:45 at least, the mainlining efforts never came from them Apr 14 18:52:12 i'd say nokia did go as mainline as far as situation at the time allowed Apr 14 18:52:21 buzz: i'm talking about some unusual idea born in the corpo (quite under the big radar) Apr 14 18:52:34 buZz: who did the efforts come from? Apr 14 18:53:23 i'm not saying you're wrong by the way .. genuine question Apr 14 18:53:36 Sicelo: trying to find that Apr 14 18:54:49 seems linaro had big involvement Apr 14 18:55:15 and samsung :P lol Apr 14 18:55:30 um .. where is that? :) Apr 14 18:55:41 you mean after MS crisi? Apr 14 18:57:47 i seem to remember in kernel, there are lots of @nokia.com contributions. in gnome too, e.g. yesterday someone showed how tracker is braindead, and pasted a link to gnome pages, who again you find nokia contributions Apr 14 18:58:25 let's hope Sony does better :) Apr 14 18:58:28 Sicelo: so what apps on android do you use that you want on n900? or is it just in general that it has a ton more apps xD Apr 14 18:58:57 Linkandzelda: will neveeeeer use Android or iOS as long as my N900 lives/works :) Apr 14 18:59:46 if they completely die (i have 2), i might move to Tizen instead of Android Apr 14 19:00:28 probably would have said Jolla .. but seems fate hasn't been to good on them Apr 14 19:01:21 Linkandzelda: we're fanboys here, eh? :>) Apr 14 19:03:53 wut! Jolla tablet is actually available? Apr 14 19:04:33 Sicelo: it feels nostalgic to be back on n900 after 5-6 years Apr 14 19:06:32 for me .. N900 is my laptop. i don't own a laptop, so it's my everything. if N900 coan't do something, then most likely i don't need that something so much :) Apr 14 19:06:38 *can't Apr 14 19:20:36 wtf.... Apr 14 19:20:45 Do ou at least have an external keyboard Sicelo ? Apr 14 19:20:56 I can't imagine typing on that keyboard for more than like 2 commands at most... Apr 14 19:23:01 no, i don't. you are most welcome to send me an SU-8W or a thinkpad stow-away. i'd appreciate Apr 14 19:24:14 typing on N900 is just fine for me. i come from Nokia 9300i Apr 14 19:24:42 just a bit more about standby times: http://paste.opensuse.org/96469249 Apr 14 19:24:50 i cannot afford any of the nice stowaway keyboards, and they are not even sold locally, complicating things more Apr 14 19:31:00 i could send you my old stowaway Apr 14 19:31:09 its not that nice (ie. a bit wobbly) Apr 14 19:31:18 Sicelo009N: sorry to hear about you being banned again :/ Apr 14 19:31:29 i don't know whay may have triggered it Apr 14 19:31:36 KotCzarny: :) Apr 14 19:31:39 n900 is a lot steadier because it's held and because it's smaller/lighter Apr 14 19:32:00 ceene: it's okay :) Apr 14 19:32:41 ceene: WA making it hard for old protocol users? Apr 14 19:32:52 and trying to discourage from continuing? Apr 14 19:33:22 KotCzarny: how much? Apr 14 19:33:32 sicelo: shipping costs Apr 14 19:33:56 or advertising oscp for a while maybe? Apr 14 19:34:00 :p Apr 14 19:34:49 if you ported it to iOS/Android, I'd find you users in a moment. i'm the only N900 user I know. the two others have dead N900 now Apr 14 19:34:53 :) Apr 14 19:35:05 he's still got to release it all Apr 14 19:35:23 i haven't pestered him enough Apr 14 19:35:29 ceene: it's a pity i don't have any specific info myself to see if anything can be learned Apr 14 19:35:43 ceene: you mean coderus? Apr 14 19:35:57 i mean KotCzarny and his oscp Apr 14 19:36:02 ceene, add full protocol debug/dump, it seems to not take long for WA to act up Apr 14 19:36:26 as for releasing, will do it, really will Apr 14 19:36:57 my personal life changed a bit which makes it a bit harder to find motivation/time Apr 14 19:37:02 it's not that easy, there's two steps of the protocol, they plain text jabber one and the binary coded Apr 14 19:37:40 and also some bans occur just due to talking to people who hasn't added to their contacts list Apr 14 19:37:53 so WA thinks you're spamming Apr 14 19:38:14 disallow that then? Apr 14 19:38:32 or queue messages until the other person accepted the invite? Apr 14 19:38:39 i can't know if the other party has you on their agenda Apr 14 19:38:49 hrm Apr 14 19:38:56 official app does it somehow Apr 14 19:39:04 doesnt' it? Apr 14 19:39:09 don't know Apr 14 19:39:15 it's a crazy thing Whatsapp Apr 14 19:39:17 maybe they too get banned Apr 14 19:40:05 ceene: i've got a third number ;) Apr 14 19:40:18 although for now i don't feel like registering it Apr 14 19:40:39 https://www.quora.com/WhatsApp-What-got-me-banned-from-Whatsapp-and-how-do-I-unban-myself Apr 14 19:40:43 quite a list Apr 14 19:43:15 i wonder if yappari is 'illegal version of the application' Apr 14 19:44:24 how do i fix broken packages in easy debian? Apr 14 19:45:30 Sicelo009N: do you use the same whatsapp account on any other place? Apr 14 19:46:20 Whatsapp Anti-Ban Mod Apr 14 19:46:21 lol Apr 14 19:47:49 Linkandzelda: toldya. only N900 for me. ;) Apr 14 19:59:40 i'd like for whatsapp to die sooooon Apr 14 20:00:36 it's like people has just recently discovered that the internet allows relay chat Apr 14 20:01:04 and they think whatsapp has invented that Apr 14 20:06:29 indeed Apr 14 20:07:33 i can't receive messages from my SO now, due to encryption Apr 14 20:07:43 she's just updated her wa Apr 14 20:07:50 Lumia? Apr 14 20:08:37 she's gonna try to go back, but as far as i know, once you enable full encryption, you can't revert back, to avoid protocol downgrade attacks Apr 14 20:08:42 nope, android Apr 14 20:09:15 ah, Android? if she sends a lot, you'll start receiving. had that a few weeks ago. after receiving 64 messages from him, then i started receiving properly Apr 14 20:09:40 64? Apr 14 20:09:43 lol Apr 14 20:10:21 yup. all 64 were as i posted on the thread Apr 14 20:11:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1502721&postcount=1362 Apr 14 20:12:17 she's spamming me to test Apr 14 20:13:08 i haven't received that message of your snapshot, though Apr 14 20:13:46 she's receiving your messages though? Apr 14 20:13:55 yes Apr 14 20:22:46 no luck Apr 14 20:22:57 i think yappari is now almost useless :/ Apr 14 20:23:23 i have to upgrade protocol, and finally encryption Apr 14 20:23:47 :( Apr 14 20:24:02 i saw you did something new in github Apr 14 20:24:19 just version update to let us login Apr 14 20:24:35 ah, and i've started develop-libwa Apr 14 20:24:53 to port yappari to coderus lib, which implements cipher Apr 14 20:25:01 but iit's a big work ahead Apr 14 20:30:00 i should go and explain all of this on the thread Apr 14 20:30:29 lots of n900 to buy cheap Apr 14 20:33:46 ah .. they are really banning us .. just now someone posted on tmo .. connection closed too Apr 14 20:36:23 :( Apr 14 20:37:34 i'll be posting tomorrow Apr 14 20:38:07 the chats-api guys are upgrading their protocol Apr 14 20:38:25 i may do it by myself ealier using latest s40 Apr 14 20:38:39 but without encryption i don't know if it'll work Apr 14 20:39:13 you've ve really done your best :) Apr 14 20:41:14 it saddens me, though Apr 14 21:07:40 they've added a third dict, which complicates things a bit more Apr 14 21:08:31 they removed support for current proto? or did they just break backward compat as usual? Apr 14 21:09:33 is there a way to access easy debian chroot from sshing into my n900 from pc? Apr 14 21:09:51 debbie-sue Apr 14 21:09:54 yes. debbie Apr 14 21:09:58 https://github.com/mgp25/Chat-API/wiki/WhatsApp-incoming-updates Apr 14 21:09:59 that too Apr 14 21:10:12 a bit of each, bencoh Apr 14 21:10:25 thats awesome, thanks Apr 14 21:10:34 is there any other OS chroots? Apr 14 21:10:48 i don't know if i can contiinue with this shit Apr 14 21:11:02 i've been saying that exact phrase for too long now Apr 14 21:11:16 indeed :( Apr 14 21:11:34 Linkandzelda: in the early days, chroots of Arch, Fedora, Ubuntu, etc. were available. but overally Debian has survived them all Apr 14 21:11:58 what you need from the others? linux = linux :) Apr 14 21:12:03 chats-api seems a good thing too Apr 14 21:12:22 so... don't know, maybe someone could write a web interface to use it Apr 14 21:12:41 Sicelo009N: just not sure how to fix the sources on this easy debian Apr 14 21:12:46 i for sure can't write html and css and all of that Apr 14 21:12:58 Linkandzelda: search for archives.debian.org Apr 14 21:13:09 old distros continue to live there Apr 14 21:13:30 or end up dying there is another way to say the same thing Apr 14 21:13:34 Linkandzelda: maybe start off with a good image? which image you have? i use the wheezy one, and wheezy is still 'live' Apr 14 21:13:53 well, gotta go to sleep now Apr 14 21:14:01 cya guys! Apr 14 21:14:09 Sicelo009N: do you have a link? i just got the "estel" lzma file Apr 14 21:14:11 take care ceene Apr 14 21:15:55 Linkandzelda: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1464877&postcount=3178 Apr 14 21:19:39 Sicelo: thanks, did you try the jessie one? Apr 14 21:20:27 im not even sure how to mount/chroot into these .img images Apr 14 21:21:22 no. i just chose wheezy Apr 14 21:21:42 you edit /home/user/.chroot to point to the image you want Apr 14 21:22:23 ok cool, sounds easy enough Apr 14 22:11:28 Sicelo: im in the debian jessie chroot, working like a charm with sources. thanks Apr 14 22:31:20 DocScrutinizer05: i finished the calibration script, it did a full discharge then enabled charging and then the script finished Apr 15 00:25:48 http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRCFSXV15347759D58&thresh=58&bp=18,66,9 Apr 15 00:42:13 http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRCFSXV15347759D58&thresh=34&bp=7,19,32 Apr 15 00:42:58 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/15/plasma-desktopto2219.png Apr 15 00:44:51 http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRCFSXV15347759D58&thresh=40&bp=7,19,32 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 15 02:59:58 2016