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Apr 21 05:59:40 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: has not happened again for now
Apr 21 06:15:48 <DocScrutinizer05> it's sounding weird but a lot of bugreporters claim - directly or implicitly - that the PVR trouble only occurs when they are on cellular and doing whatever sort of communication (data download, SMS, inbound call...)
Apr 21 06:16:19 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly with poor signal
Apr 21 06:18:29 <DocScrutinizer05> downloading lots if tiles with marble seems to trigger the issue more or less instantly (within minutes)
Apr 21 06:18:36 <DocScrutinizer05> of*
Apr 21 06:19:15 <DocScrutinizer05> s/seems to/allegedly/
Apr 21 06:42:08 <Sicelo> yeah, although in my case device was just laying on table with no programs open, except xterminal->ssh
Apr 21 06:42:20 <Sicelo> i was napping at the time :)
Apr 21 06:42:29 <KotCzarny> you never know what happens in those tiny black boxes
Apr 21 06:42:44 <KotCzarny> there might be hidden life
Apr 21 06:52:00 <Sicelo> of course
Apr 21 06:53:22 <Sicelo> although not of the nature described in the bug. unfortunately the bug died the death of dozens other bug reports ... with no really good explanation about causes, or solutions. it ended that it was more a fight than anything else
Apr 21 06:55:07 <Sicelo> i doubt it will happen again too soon on my N900
Apr 21 07:00:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ((no programs open)) would be nice to know if the modem did a re-register at that time
Apr 21 07:00:50 <DocScrutinizer05> or some inbound (or even outbound) data got transferred
Apr 21 07:09:56 <Sicelo> on (my) N900 there's always "Received Phone.Net.registration_status_change"
Apr 21 07:17:20 <DocScrutinizer05> let me put it this way: if it was _really_ the cmt TX that kills PVR, we're completely out of luck since that's a complete WONTFIX
Apr 21 07:17:25 <DocScrutinizer05> hw level
Apr 21 07:17:47 <DocScrutinizer05> so we rather should check if *maybe* it's related to cgroups changes etc
Apr 21 07:21:50 <DocScrutinizer05> also the linux kernel driver for PVR could use some scrutiny if it maybe does silly things, after all I doubt that the PVR resets itself completely autonomously without *any* help from kernel, if only for uploading some init values or whatever
Apr 21 07:23:19 <DocScrutinizer05> and last not least the PVR blob itself (did I read 'microkernel'?) has some leaked sources afaik. If not for this particular version, so maybe nevertheless with the buggy code in it
Apr 21 07:38:08 <DocScrutinizer05> once you spotted the bug in one PVR blob version's sourcecode, you could find and binary-patch it in other blob versions too, as long as they have the same bug
Apr 21 08:06:20 <KotCzarny> hmm, is a7 instruction set compatible with a8 used in n900?
Apr 21 08:50:13 <enyc> DocScrutinizer05: im actually not finding what 'PVR' is in this context!
Apr 21 08:51:11 <DocScrutinizer05> PowerVR
Apr 21 08:51:35 <DocScrutinizer05> gfx
Apr 21 08:54:11 <enyc> aah
Apr 21 08:54:23 <enyc> dreaded driver related fun ;p
Apr 21 09:23:17 <Oksanaa> GCompris is eating 36%CPU when user is doing nothing. It's also completely not-maemonised (press 2 shift keys at the same time, really?). And it has unacknowledged dependency on libmikmod2
Apr 21 09:24:03 <Oksanaa> Moves slowly (because eats lots of CPU?) screen will be in shambles from frustrated user
Apr 21 09:25:05 <Oksanaa> leif is nice, but cannot handle too fast clicking (crashes) and should be re-written in GTK+C
Apr 21 10:14:34 <zamn900> hello
Apr 21 10:15:11 <zamn900> again yappari is that unfortunate app in these days
Apr 21 10:15:17 <zamn900> what's wrong?
Apr 21 10:16:09 <zamn900> it updated to version 2.0.28
Apr 21 10:16:20 <zamn900> but it's a hollow app
Apr 21 10:16:35 <zamn900> hollow update I mean
Apr 21 10:16:52 <ceene> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503625&postcount=1397
Apr 21 10:22:54 <zamn900> holy crap I already used the previous versione once I found out this new one was empty
Apr 21 10:23:01 <zamn900> so what am I banned?
Apr 21 10:23:13 <zamn900> and about stay tuned ... how?
Apr 21 10:23:51 <zamn900> I am aware btw of off the record implementation of whatsapp
Apr 21 10:24:40 <zamn900> how can that be so difficult... I don't know... don't realize why...
Apr 21 10:39:32 <ceene> just keep reading the thread in case something happens
Apr 21 10:40:29 <zamn900> :|
Apr 21 10:41:21 <zamn900> maybe I will come here on our chat
Apr 21 10:49:56 <ceene> Floating point exception (core dumped)
Apr 21 10:49:59 <ceene> but there's no core
Apr 21 10:50:04 <ceene> even when -c: core file size (blocks)        unlimited
Apr 21 10:50:08 <ceene> (that's on the n900 itself)
Apr 21 11:02:16 <ceene> ah, that's gonna be something that i installed
Apr 21 11:02:22 <ceene> richo core dump
Apr 21 11:02:25 <ceene> or something like that
Apr 21 11:44:45 <ceene> i still don't know the origin of that exception :/
Apr 21 11:45:00 <ceene> there's some empty variable whose origin i don't understand
Apr 21 11:45:10 <ceene> even more so when i think this exact same code worked yesterday...
Apr 21 11:58:33 <Linkandzelda> would it be hard on the n900's battery to make a script which checks for server uptime and beeps like crazy when something goes down?
Apr 21 12:00:28 <DocScrutinizer05> depends on how often
Apr 21 12:01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> scripts with a sleep 30 have little impact on battery life
Apr 21 12:01:30 <DocScrutinizer05> sleep 300 even better
Apr 21 12:02:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I just can't make all sense of "checks for server uptime" and "when something goes down"
Apr 21 12:08:57 <Linkandzelda> DocScrutinizer05: my plan was just to ping once and if there is no reply then its down
Apr 21 12:09:35 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm sounds pretty simple, I could recommend manpages once more ;-)
Apr 21 12:09:43 <Vajb> yappari .27 still works for me btw
Apr 21 12:13:02 <Sicelo> nice. :)
Apr 21 12:16:36 <DocScrutinizer05> while ping -w1 -qn 9.9.9.9 &>/dev/null; do sleep 60;done;playsound loudalarm.wav
Apr 21 12:17:29 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno if you wanna run this from a *mobile* device though. Not because of battery but because of ... mobile and connectivity
Apr 21 12:18:57 <Linkandzelda> DocScrutinizer05: any reason not to make it run as a cron?
Apr 21 12:19:14 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no cron on maemo
Apr 21 12:19:20 <DocScrutinizer05> no decent one
Apr 21 12:19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> use alarmed
Apr 21 12:19:32 <DocScrutinizer05> or alarmd
Apr 21 12:19:43 <DocScrutinizer05> but why?
Apr 21 12:20:34 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-get install alarmed
Apr 21 12:21:11 <DocScrutinizer05> when you like excellent app with both GUI and cmdline interface
Apr 21 12:21:56 <Sicelo> and it works verrry well :)
Apr 21 12:22:06 <DocScrutinizer05> only thing that lacks iirc: 
Apr 21 12:22:07 * Sicelo uses it for logrotate & other stuff
Apr 21 12:22:09 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ll `which alarmed`
Apr 21 12:22:11 <DocScrutinizer05> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2014-12-06 12:41 /usr/bin/alarmed -> /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py
Apr 21 12:23:13 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't want to type /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py in shell, so make that symlink
Apr 21 12:23:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: I hope so, I mentored it
Apr 21 12:24:19 <DocScrutinizer05> half the options are my suggestion
Apr 21 12:25:05 <DocScrutinizer05> also note that alarmed depends on alarmd, and the latter has a bugfixed version in CSSU
Apr 21 12:25:46 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-get alarmclient
Apr 21 12:25:53 <DocScrutinizer05> alarmclient --help
Apr 21 12:26:13 <DocScrutinizer05> have fun, know alarmclient and enjoy alarmed
Apr 21 12:26:42 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: you give me ideas
Apr 21 12:26:54 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Apr 21 12:28:04 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway cron / alarmed is prolly overkill for a simple "while ping -w1 -qn $SERVERIP &>/dev/null; do sleep 60;done;playsound loudalarm.wav"
Apr 21 12:29:28 <DocScrutinizer05> Linkandzelda: ((any reason?)) quick&dirty
Apr 21 12:29:59 * DocScrutinizer05 almost said nice 'n sleazy
Apr 21 12:31:12 <Linkandzelda> fair enough
Apr 21 12:32:23 <Sicelo> i don't know what -w1 -qn does .. /me check man page
Apr 21 12:32:42 <DocScrutinizer05> https://youtu.be/5_MMTXPs4qE?t=138
Apr 21 12:33:35 <DocScrutinizer05> -w1 is wait for 1 reply -n is do no DNS lookup, and -q supposedly does only summary output, though the latter seems to not work as expected
Apr 21 12:34:16 <DocScrutinizer05> note that this isn't really thoroughly tested
Apr 21 12:34:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ping options are a tiny bit weird
Apr 21 12:35:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I searched for a "abort on first packet loss" but that doesn't seem to exist
Apr 21 12:35:27 <DocScrutinizer05> you got other funny options though, try -a ;-)
Apr 21 12:38:50 <Linkandzelda> bit of a shame about the cron, whats not good with it exactly?
Apr 21 12:39:49 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmXL0Fw7a_A
Apr 21 12:40:06 <DocScrutinizer05> cron is not made for zeroclock architecture
Apr 21 12:40:22 <Sicelo> Linkandzelda: nothing. nothing's bad with alarmd either :)
Apr 21 12:40:37 <DocScrutinizer05> alarmd does nifty stuff to conserve energy
Apr 21 12:40:58 <Sicelo> alarmd is *already* on every N900 .. so may be better to just use it
Apr 21 12:41:03 <DocScrutinizer05> while cron is braindamaged on embedded
Apr 21 12:41:46 <DocScrutinizer05> but honestly just use a do loop with a sleep $N
Apr 21 12:41:47 <Linkandzelda> alarmd sounds like something i can use then
Apr 21 12:42:24 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, you can use alarmd, and you could even use alarmclient, but alarmed is so much nicer
Apr 21 12:44:15 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/alarmed/  - even comes with a cron-like cmdline syntax option
Apr 21 12:45:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen shapeshifter
Apr 21 12:45:06 <infobot> shapeshifter <~Shapeshif@parakeet.ifi.uzh.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 42d 22h 52m 17s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer05: ping doesn't work'.
Apr 21 12:45:23 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O?
Apr 21 12:47:21 <enyc> DocScrutinizer05: also why would you "while ping -w1 -qn 9.9.9.9" ....  9.9.9.9 is actual IBM ip address
Apr 21 12:47:42 <DocScrutinizer05> 9.9.9.9 is my birthday ;-P
Apr 21 12:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Linkandzelda: http://paste.opensuse.org/88819946
Apr 21 12:48:13 <enyc> DocScrutinizer05: 1.1.1.1 and 1.2.3.4 are addresses pollutedby such rubbish generation and excluded on purpose from assignment ...
Apr 21 12:48:34 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Apr 21 12:48:46 <DocScrutinizer05> I used 9.9.9.9 after 8.8.8.8
Apr 21 12:48:53 <enyc> there was a whole study on this etc
Apr 21 12:49:43 <DocScrutinizer05> heck, I hope Linkandzelda is capable to replace 9.9.9.9 with the IP of own server to monitor
Apr 21 12:52:51 <Linkandzelda> heh
Apr 21 12:55:06 <kerio> ping 8.8.8.8, if it doesn't work then google is down
Apr 21 12:55:14 <kerio> or more likely, your internet connection is down
Apr 21 13:08:11 <DocScrutinizer05> which is exactly why I questioned the purpose of running this on N900. I mean how often N900 connectivity is down for a while
Apr 21 13:08:54 <DocScrutinizer05> you'd at least need a connectivity check aka ping to known good target like 8.8.8.8 before you check your own server
Apr 21 13:09:35 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't want false positives (alarms) just because N900 switches from WLAN to GPRS
Apr 21 13:09:46 <DocScrutinizer05> or other way round
Apr 21 13:11:14 <Linkandzelda> DocScrutinizer05: makes sense, then i'll do that as well to check google
Apr 21 14:33:17 <_5a54a_> Hello
Apr 21 14:34:33 <_5a54a_> maemo.org seems to bock my ip
Apr 21 14:34:37 <_5a54a_> block
Apr 21 15:08:57 <Sicelo> so this SGX thing happened again today ... again device was not being actively used 
Apr 21 15:13:44 <Sicelo> anyway, no time for it right now
Apr 21 15:20:39 <sixwheeledbeast> _5a54a_: proxy or tor?
Apr 21 15:20:49 <sixwheeledbeast> ~unbanip
Apr 21 15:20:49 <infobot> well, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal
Apr 21 15:23:53 <_5a54a_> VPN
Apr 21 15:24:12 <_5a54a_> PIA
Apr 21 15:27:42 <_5a54a_> Is PIA being blocked?
Apr 21 15:32:20 <azkay> Anyone know what would stop programs from playing sound on my n900? stock media player plays music fine, but no other media players have sound
Apr 21 15:33:31 <Sicelo> such as which player?
Apr 21 15:34:38 <Sicelo> check that you're not in silent profile. a non mafw-based player will usually go silent too :)
Apr 21 15:35:11 <azkay> Weird, now everything is working fine. lol
Apr 21 15:35:35 <azkay> I spent an hour on the bus 2 days ago using up my data downloading different players to get it working, haha.
Apr 21 15:35:52 <azkay> Must have been the profile, I would have had it on silent before. Now it's on normal
Apr 21 15:35:57 <azkay> Thanks :)
Apr 21 15:49:26 <sixwheeledbeast> _5a54a_: I believe the list from stopforumspam is used 
Apr 21 18:48:08 <ceene> the guy from purple-whatsapp has also ended the project
Apr 21 19:54:06 <Sicelo> ceene: okay 
Apr 21 19:54:25 <Sicelo> so ... light dims?
Apr 21 19:58:01 <APic> Candles ♥
Apr 21 20:44:52 <ceene> Sicelo: probably... there's a guy who says he has code for latest protocol version
Apr 21 20:45:03 <ceene> but for some reason won't share it yet...
Apr 21 20:46:34 <ceene> coderus's libwa should have been working
Apr 21 20:46:46 <ceene> and 8mve ported most of yappari to use it
Apr 21 20:47:08 <ceene> but for some reason i keep geting login failure
Apr 21 20:47:42 <ceene> so right now i'm quite frustrated
Apr 21 21:00:13 <Sicelo> that's bad
Apr 21 21:02:55 <ceene> yep
Apr 21 21:03:13 <ceene> i keep trying, comparing different implementations...
Apr 21 21:03:31 <Sicelo> that guy is using his code on which application?
Apr 21 21:03:43 <ceene> but libwa used same old protocol version as yappari, and that version is deprecated
Apr 21 21:03:53 <ceene> chat-api, a php implementation
Apr 21 21:04:11 <ceene> this guy is from my city indeed
Apr 21 21:04:28 <ceene> but he seems a little... don't know
Apr 21 21:04:38 <ceene> isn't as willing to share as i had hoped
Apr 21 21:05:15 <ceene> don't understand why, he says he wants to deter spammers from making use of the software
Apr 21 21:05:31 <ceene> so he won't publish yet his implementation of the new protocol
Apr 21 21:06:05 <Sicelo> maybe hoping for some financial gain?
Apr 21 21:06:18 <ceene> i should however be able to use the previous one, but for some reason i can't get it to login
Apr 21 21:06:29 <ceene> don't know... he hasn't asked for anything
Apr 21 21:07:38 <ceene> right now i don't even need a programmer, just someone to help me compare my implementation with others
Apr 21 21:08:12 <ceene> thankfully the yowsup team has even test units, so maybe i can use them to find where my code is wrong
Apr 21 21:08:20 <ceene> but it all takes a lot of time and energy
Apr 21 21:08:43 <Sicelo> yowsup still going?
Apr 21 21:09:05 <Sicelo> ceene: "someone to help me compare my implementation with others" ... how?
Apr 21 21:09:25 <ceene> i think so... i'll have to test yowsup directly with one of my numbers
Apr 21 21:09:36 <ceene> just reading the code would be helpful
Apr 21 21:10:09 <ceene> i' tired of rereading it all without reaching a sane conclusiion about what's different
Apr 21 21:10:20 <ceene> i'm a bit obfuscated myself maybe
Apr 21 21:10:37 <Sicelo> i wonder if a non-programmer will make sense of code :/
Apr 21 21:10:57 <ceene> it may be possible, i guess
Apr 21 21:11:10 <ceene> at least for someone who is a little bit literate
Apr 21 21:11:13 <Sicelo> but you can send me the links to the code in question, and i could look at it tomorrow after work :)
Apr 21 21:11:26 <Sicelo> don't expect a lot, 
Apr 21 21:11:31 <ceene> that would be great
Apr 21 21:11:39 <Sicelo> i did start to learn C with K&R, but never got far :(
Apr 21 21:11:42 <ceene> i'll upload it all tomorrow
Apr 21 21:11:59 <ceene> and write a little bit of which places to look
Apr 21 21:12:23 <Sicelo> i'll hear from you then. 
Apr 21 21:12:30 <ceene> good :)
Apr 21 21:13:02 <ceene> libwa and yappari's are probably the worst structured implementations
Apr 21 21:13:16 <ceene> yowsup is too much pythonistic for me
Apr 21 21:13:26 <ceene> chat-apii is mostly fine
Apr 21 21:13:38 <ceene> and there's also purple implementation
Apr 21 21:13:43 <ceene> which is readable
Apr 21 21:14:14 <ceene> there's a lot of code and i can't make sense of what I'm doing wrong right now :(
Apr 21 21:14:56 <ceene> well, gotta be sleeping now, good night!
Apr 21 21:15:07 <Sicelo> g'nite. sleep time for me too :)
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