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Apr 26 08:06:33 <zGrr> moin :)
Apr 26 08:08:18 <DocScrutinizer05> moin
Apr 26 08:27:04 <Vajb> does anyone use hamster filer? There is option to open files with certain programs. Like if i put there "mplayer -ao pulse" it opens file in mplayer, but what to include that it launches terminal and runs mplayer via terminal and not just launch mplayer on the background?
Apr 26 08:29:44 <kerio> osso-xterm -something mplayer -ao pulse?
Apr 26 08:30:36 <kerio> possibly even just osso-xterm mplayer -ao pulse
Apr 26 08:31:55 <Vajb> nope. It just pops terminal and closes without playing any
Apr 26 08:34:06 <Vajb> osso-xterm "sh -c 'cd """$(dirname ""%s"")"""; sh'" that is the string in program which opens terminal in that directory the file is
Apr 26 08:34:36 <Vajb> maybe that gives away some hint im not aware of?
Apr 26 08:41:59 <KotCzarny> osso-terminal -h ?
Apr 26 08:42:52 <KotCzarny> also, probably you are missing path, sh is in /bin so it gets found, try adding: /usr/bin/mplayer as a command
Apr 26 08:45:29 <Vajb> -h does nothing and adding usr/bin/mplayer pops xterm shortly but not playing
Apr 26 08:46:29 <KotCzarny> does it pass file name as an arg? probably %s (from your example)
Apr 26 08:46:43 <Vajb> so i guess there has to be some command to execute mplayer after xterm is launched
Apr 26 08:47:43 <Vajb> yes with "mplayer -ao pulse %s" it starts playback in the bacground, but i wanna see it in terminal to be able to fast forward and pause
Apr 26 08:49:59 <kerio> osso-xterm /usr/bin/mplayer -ao pulse %s
Apr 26 08:50:24 <Vajb> ok when i put mplayer -ao pulse instead of dirname it started to play file via terminal but not showing any info
Apr 26 08:50:54 <Vajb> kerio: just pops up terminal and closes
Apr 26 08:51:22 <kerio> oh hm
Apr 26 08:51:27 <kerio> "osso-xterm /usr/bin/mplayer -ao pulse %s"
Apr 26 08:51:29 <kerio> er fuck
Apr 26 08:51:33 <kerio> osso-xterm "/usr/bin/mplayer -ao pulse %s"
Apr 26 08:52:31 <Vajb> osso-xterm "sh -c 'cd """$(mplayer -ao pulse ""%s"")"""; sh'"
Apr 26 08:53:03 <Vajb> that's the string that pops terminal starts playing but gives no info of the file playing. Can pause tho
Apr 26 08:53:45 <kerio> no that's not how it works ._.
Apr 26 08:54:43 <kerio> osso-xterm "sh -c 'mplayer -ao pulse ""%s""'"
Apr 26 08:54:49 <Vajb> also with " " ur last idea just pops terminal and closes
Apr 26 08:55:09 <kerio> so that's "" "" around %s, then close ' then close "
Apr 26 08:55:47 <Vajb> ok lets try
Apr 26 08:56:51 <Vajb> works!
Apr 26 08:56:55 <kerio> woop
Apr 26 08:57:02 <Vajb> thx a lot kerio!
Apr 26 11:40:14 <Oksanaa> Are marbles an open-source game? If so, could somebody please work "save game" into the code?
Apr 26 14:25:47 <ceene> argh
Apr 26 14:25:57 <ceene> my two numbers have been banned
Apr 26 14:26:20 <ceene> ican't even test things now
Apr 26 14:34:37 <DocScrutinizer05> there must be test accounts (aka 'numbers') you could use to test authentication and communication to a serverside test facility
Apr 26 14:35:34 <ceene> none that i know of
Apr 26 14:35:41 <DocScrutinizer05> like SIP "echo123" or "10000"
Apr 26 14:36:18 <DocScrutinizer05> if they don't have anything like that, they are really not worth bothering about their service
Apr 26 14:37:15 <ceene> they may have, but if they do, it's a secret user with a secret password
Apr 26 14:37:25 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Apr 26 14:37:31 <ceene> they win't publish their internal test users
Apr 26 14:37:42 <ceene> s/win/won/
Apr 26 14:37:42 <infobot> ceene meant: they won't publish their internal test users
Apr 26 14:39:40 <DocScrutinizer05> there also must be ways to unban an account, no?
Apr 26 14:40:20 <ceene> basically... nope
Apr 26 14:40:44 <ceene> i can write them and cry and they won't even answer back
Apr 26 14:40:56 <ceene> with a bit of luck i've only been banned for a couple days
Apr 26 14:41:06 <ceene> worst case is 60 days
Apr 26 14:54:54 <KotCzarny> ceene: https://blog.heckel.xyz/2013/07/07/send-whatsapp-messages-via-php-script-using-whatsapi/
Apr 26 14:55:05 <KotCzarny> but i guess it's old
Apr 26 14:55:44 <KotCzarny> https://github.com/venomous0x/WhatsAPI/
Apr 26 14:55:46 <KotCzarny> hehe
Apr 26 14:56:31 <ceene> yep
Apr 26 14:56:36 <ceene> i got several implementations
Apr 26 14:56:40 <ceene> i was pretty near :(
Apr 26 14:56:47 <ceene> libwa is almost there
Apr 26 14:56:54 <ceene> the yowsup guy has promised to look at it
Apr 26 14:57:05 <ceene> but i don't know if he'll be able to see what's wrong
Apr 26 14:57:26 <ceene> on parallel i was implemeting cipher onto yappari's original wa code
Apr 26 14:57:44 <ceene> in case libwa fails, be able to try something else
Apr 26 14:58:00 <ceene> but now that i'm banned... it's gonna be pretty hard
Apr 26 14:58:07 <ceene> my gf is gonna lend me a number of hers
Apr 26 14:58:17 <ceene> but once that is gone also...
Apr 26 14:58:22 <KotCzarny> but yowsup's code works?
Apr 26 14:58:28 <ceene> yep
Apr 26 15:01:52 <ceene> it's quite frustrating, because libwa code is much better structured than Yappari
Apr 26 15:02:03 <ceene> but whereas libwa won't login, Yappari will
Apr 26 15:02:21 <ceene> and i can't for the life of me see what's wrong
Apr 26 15:07:39 <Vajb> well obviously messy service asks for messy code =)
Apr 26 15:08:52 <ceene> i also don't understand why do we have to implement a full blown out xmpp client
Apr 26 15:09:16 <ceene> i don't know much about xmpp though, so maybe the reason is WA has modified the underlying protocol
Apr 26 15:09:37 <ceene> but for what i understand... we're implementing xmpp when that should already exist
Apr 26 15:10:34 <ceene> it's all insane
Apr 26 15:10:48 <ceene> i understand all of this was done by RE the protocol and all that, but...
Apr 26 15:11:40 <ceene> this should have been just a layer on top of qxmpp
Apr 26 15:12:04 <ceene> problem now is that this is all a race against the clock
Apr 26 15:12:22 <ceene> what use would it make if i started it all from scratch and spend six months on a perfect implementation
Apr 26 15:12:31 <ceene> by then everybody would have migrated to something else
Apr 26 15:12:43 <ceene> so that'd be as good as doing nothing at all
Apr 26 15:12:49 <Vajb> maybe android version is way to go
Apr 26 15:13:13 <ceene> problem is the same
Apr 26 15:13:18 <ceene> either we run original apk
Apr 26 15:13:34 <ceene> or we have to implement the protocol
Apr 26 15:15:59 <Vajb> maybe android version is closer to our ecosystem than s40?
Apr 26 15:16:11 <Vajb> what os was s40 anyway?
Apr 26 15:16:20 <ceene> S40 version is written on java
Apr 26 15:16:24 <ceene> so it is easily decompilable
Apr 26 15:16:37 <Vajb> oh i see
Apr 26 15:16:50 <ceene> android version, for what i've seen, is compiled to a binary .so
Apr 26 15:16:59 <inz> IIRC the S40 os was boringly named Nokia OS
Apr 26 15:16:59 <ceene> so RE is quite harder
Apr 26 15:17:17 <ceene> i guess there must be some way to run code from that .so :)
Apr 26 15:17:29 <ceene> not that i'd feel comfortable doing that
Apr 26 15:18:14 <Vajb> we need someone from wassup company to give some hints about source code
Apr 26 15:18:42 <ceene> working implementations seem to... work
Apr 26 15:18:49 <ceene> mine is a non working implementation right now
Apr 26 15:18:49 <ceene> :/
Apr 26 15:19:43 <Vajb> but victory will be sweeter after epic struggle than just struggle :)
Apr 26 15:20:39 <Vajb> is there any opensource xmmp protocol which might excist in all phones?
Apr 26 15:21:05 <ceene> sure, xmpp is quite standard
Apr 26 15:25:10 <KotCzarny> ceene: if you look for decompiler then magic word is 'ida'
Apr 26 15:26:02 <KotCzarny> and you can probably ask local RE gurus
Apr 26 15:26:04 <Vajb> well then. What would be best option that can be ran in maemo, lumia and android?
Apr 26 15:26:07 <KotCzarny> jownil and friends
Apr 26 15:26:40 <Vajb> yes i red several times that jonwil had ran out of things to do
Apr 26 15:26:45 <KotCzarny> vajb: xmpp is open source protocol, and marketing name is 'jabber'
Apr 26 15:26:56 <ceene> Vajb: it doesn't matter if people, friends of friends of friends aren't willing to change from whatsapp to something else
Apr 26 15:27:00 <freemangordon> I doubt hel'' be intereted in REing watsapp :)
Apr 26 15:27:03 <ceene> and we're not enough people to instigate that change
Apr 26 15:27:17 <freemangordon> jonwil I mean
Apr 26 15:27:32 <freemangordon> ceene: how big is that .so?
Apr 26 15:27:52 <Vajb> but in time when whatsup drops support of old phones
Apr 26 15:28:14 <Vajb> i doubt that everyone is going to buy new phone then
Apr 26 15:29:15 <KotCzarny> https://github.com/rafa-aguilar/WhatsAPI
Apr 26 15:30:10 <freemangordon> PHP?!?
Apr 26 15:30:32 <KotCzarny> well, all he needs is a working code that can be rewritten
Apr 26 15:30:48 <ceene> that's quite an old implementation
Apr 26 15:30:50 <ceene> i got yowsup
Apr 26 15:30:52 <ceene> which works
Apr 26 15:31:02 <ceene> freemangordon: can't tell right now
Apr 26 15:31:09 <ceene> i'd have to redownload that thing and look for it
Apr 26 15:31:15 <ceene> but it probably has axolotl embedded
Apr 26 15:31:19 <ceene> and quite a few things
Apr 26 15:31:23 <ceene> so... big, I guess
Apr 26 15:32:03 <freemangordon> forget about REing then, unless they forgot to strip it
Apr 26 15:35:22 <KotCzarny> ceene, i assume you already know about mgp25/chat-api ?
Apr 26 15:35:39 <ceene> yes
Apr 26 15:35:50 <ceene> that's the guy who is from my city
Apr 26 15:36:04 <ceene> but doesn't seem very keen on socializing and helping a brother out
Apr 26 15:36:19 <ceene> at least he is polite
Apr 26 15:38:44 <ceene> libwa is so near!
Apr 26 15:38:50 <ceene> but there's some stupid little thing wrong there
Apr 26 15:59:29 <Sicelo> ceene: if you need another number, i still have a 3rd working one ;)
Apr 26 16:49:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ask council to provide numbers! there's a reason we got funds for
Apr 26 16:53:23 <L29Ah> funds
Apr 26 16:53:25 <L29Ah> what funds
Apr 26 16:53:27 <L29Ah> i need some
Apr 26 16:53:53 <kerio> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op-LBp4sH7w
Apr 26 17:49:05 <ceene> Sicelo: thanks! right now i'm using a number of my gf
Apr 26 17:49:12 <ceene> DocScrutinizer05: ditto!
Apr 26 17:49:35 <ceene> i've registered fine using libwa
Apr 26 17:49:40 <ceene> faking an S40
Apr 26 17:49:43 <ceene> this should work
Apr 26 17:49:45 <ceene> ¬¬
Apr 26 17:49:54 <DocScrutinizer05> you shouldn't block that one too, I tellya dat bro
Apr 26 17:50:01 <ceene> lol
Apr 26 17:50:03 <ceene> she knows what I do
Apr 26 17:50:14 <ceene> but i'll try very hard not to get banned
Apr 26 17:50:34 <KotCzarny> bring her to irc? :>
Apr 26 17:51:18 <ceene> sure
Apr 26 17:51:48 <ceene> there she is
Apr 26 17:51:53 <ahycka> hi :)
Apr 26 17:52:05 <KotCzarny> now you can pm her ;)
Apr 26 17:52:18 <ceene> yeah, i don't need yappari to talk to her
Apr 26 17:52:22 <ahycka> xD
Apr 26 17:52:22 <KotCzarny> ahycka: greetings earthling
Apr 26 17:52:34 <ceene> well, she's sitting right here, so i could always use my voice or what3ever
Apr 26 17:52:57 <KotCzarny> ceene: pah, voice is overrated
Apr 26 17:53:42 <ahycka> he needs me near to ask me whatsapp's code xD
Apr 26 17:54:54 <ceene> we used MSN a lot when we were young...
Apr 26 17:55:20 <ceene> also irc
Apr 26 18:00:29 <KotCzarny> no icq? ;)
Apr 26 18:00:50 <ceene> we're not that old
Apr 26 18:00:58 <KotCzarny> pft :P
Apr 26 18:17:19 <ceene> i thin k i found a difference
Apr 26 18:17:20 <ceene> !
Apr 26 18:18:50 <ceene> doesn't work :(
Apr 26 18:19:05 <KotCzarny> but at least no ban? ;)
Apr 26 18:19:24 <ceene> not for the moment
Apr 26 18:19:28 <ceene> since i can't login...
Apr 26 18:34:29 * ahycka eats ceene
Apr 26 18:34:43 <ahycka> where is my dinner???
Apr 26 18:34:58 <ceene> on the fridge, woman
Apr 26 18:35:09 <ceene> sudo make yourself a sandwich
Apr 26 18:35:48 <ceene> https://xkcd.com/149/
Apr 26 18:36:56 <ahycka> -.-
Apr 26 18:37:43 <ahycka> lets play "find the 10 diferences"!
Apr 26 18:53:54 <sixwheeledbeast> how do you get a number blocked, that's a good thing right?
Apr 26 18:56:03 <ceene> it depends on your definition of "good thing"
Apr 26 18:56:09 <ceene> most people would say that's bad
Apr 26 19:05:51 <sixwheeledbeast> well i guess you have to agree with there privicy policy to get blocked in the first place. so maybe it's a lose lose situation anyway
Apr 26 19:06:38 <KotCzarny> question is, do we want to keep that part of n900's userbase or try to convert them (unlikely)? 
Apr 26 19:07:36 <sixwheeledbeast> as said before it's the people the other end that's the issue
Apr 26 19:08:00 <KotCzarny> my question still holds
Apr 26 19:31:42 <ceene> the gf is helping me :)
Apr 26 19:31:50 <ceene> she's more organized than I am
Apr 26 19:32:02 <ceene> well, only debugging, I am a better coder
Apr 26 19:32:15 <ceene> and I keep the house tidier
Apr 26 19:34:32 <ceene> she's really helped me find the issue!
Apr 26 19:34:37 <ceene> at least now I know where to look
Apr 26 19:34:55 <ceene> she's earned dinner
Apr 26 19:35:07 <ceene> so i'll be back later
Apr 26 19:35:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 19:37:56 <ahycka> dinner!! dinner!! \o/ \o/
Apr 26 19:45:47 <Sicelo> ceene: so God was right that it's not good for a man to remain alone :p
Apr 26 19:46:13 <KotCzarny> sicelo: there are also cats as an lesser evil alternative :P
Apr 26 19:59:09 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: do you have a link at hand to that video where the IPHH guys moved a server while running?
Apr 26 19:59:48 <warfare> DocScrutinizer05: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5MA685ApE ;)
Apr 26 19:59:54 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/ ta!
Apr 26 20:14:45 <Sicelo> not understanding german, but those guys were nuts :p
Apr 26 20:15:20 <DocScrutinizer05> those are the guys hosting our maemo server
Apr 26 20:15:33 <DocScrutinizer05> great folks
Apr 26 20:16:12 <Sicelo> i know :)
Apr 26 20:16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I just wondered what been that PDA used to check if the server still online, at first glance looked like N900, but too many keys on kbd
Apr 26 20:17:45 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: next time you meet them for a beer, tell them my kudos please :-)
Apr 26 20:19:00 <warfare> DocScrutinizer05: Will do. IIRC it was a Danger HipTop. 
Apr 26 20:19:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
Apr 26 20:19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> never heard of
Apr 26 20:20:21 <warfare> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Hiptop
Apr 26 20:20:21 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah yes, exactly
Apr 26 20:20:30 <DocScrutinizer05> same pafge :-)
Apr 26 20:20:33 <DocScrutinizer05> page*
Apr 26 20:21:33 <DocScrutinizer05> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Hiptop#T-Mobile_Sidekick_LX_.28Danger.2FSharp.29  sidekick sounds familiar
Apr 26 20:25:09 <DocScrutinizer05> the UPS must have had enough power for another 3 days of continuous operation, no?
Apr 26 20:25:36 <Sicelo> this is out of this world :)
Apr 26 20:25:39 * Sicelo likes
Apr 26 20:26:22 <DocScrutinizer05> https://youtu.be/vQ5MA685ApE?t=469    "UPS 100%? we originally planned to take the microwave oven with us too"
Apr 26 20:27:01 <DocScrutinizer05> and I thought they planned McDrive
Apr 26 20:27:29 <zamn900> hello DocScrutinizer05 
Apr 26 20:27:47 <zamn900> you can read my mind by now
Apr 26 20:28:18 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Apr 26 20:28:25 <DocScrutinizer05> hi & cya l8r
Apr 26 20:28:31 <DocScrutinizer05> dinner time
Apr 26 20:28:41 <zamn900> where is infobot
Apr 26 20:28:54 <zamn900> ceene, hello to you too
Apr 26 20:31:17 <ceene> hi, zamn900 
Apr 26 20:31:25 <ceene> things are looking good tonight
Apr 26 20:31:38 <zamn900> how are you first of all
Apr 26 20:33:19 <ceene> pretty good ;)
Apr 26 20:33:23 <ceene> how you doing?
Apr 26 20:33:38 <zamn900> wonderfully
Apr 26 20:33:58 <zamn900> so I wonder how is yappari?
Apr 26 20:34:11 <ceene> it's going to work soon :)
Apr 26 20:34:20 <ceene> pretty soon I'd say
Apr 26 20:34:32 <ceene> maybe in next compilation that i'm starting in 30 seconds
Apr 26 20:34:44 <zamn900> Freaky exciting statements hero
Apr 26 20:35:11 <ceene> ahycka is responsible for this today :)
Apr 26 20:35:27 <zamn900> awesome
Apr 26 20:36:24 <ahycka> and i earned my dinner for that! :)
Apr 26 20:36:45 <zamn900> that's touching
Apr 26 20:38:14 <zamn900> ahycka, how old are you?
Apr 26 20:38:55 <ahycka> same as ceene
Apr 26 20:39:34 <zamn900> well I don't know that... but it's good the same
Apr 26 20:39:50 <ceene> lol
Apr 26 20:39:52 <ahycka> im 30
Apr 26 20:40:09 <ceene> i'm 31 :(
Apr 26 20:40:09 <zamn900> you did like anyway the hero assistant
Apr 26 20:40:37 <zamn900> I am 25
Apr 26 20:41:12 <ceene> you're almost younger than the n900 is now
Apr 26 20:41:28 <zamn900> If you will, we can arrange the heroes band for the town into the night
Apr 26 20:42:06 <ceene> Yappari party
Apr 26 20:42:18 <ceene> it even rhymes
Apr 26 20:43:21 <zamn900> it's very exciting the night... I go driving and rushing... you screming out our batmobile... and you on roof and with a bat smashing all around the villans
Apr 26 20:44:04 <zamn900> I feel excited
Apr 26 20:44:32 <zamn900> party will be... everynight
Apr 26 20:44:34 <ceene> well, at least i've surpassed this login obstacle!
Apr 26 20:44:47 <ceene> but...
Apr 26 20:44:53 <ceene> Generating keys... 
Apr 26 20:44:53 <ceene> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'WhisperException'
Apr 26 20:44:53 <ceene> Aborted (core dumped)
Apr 26 20:44:57 <ceene> this isn't cool
Apr 26 20:44:58 <ceene> :/
Apr 26 20:45:21 <zamn900> all aborted with it
Apr 26 20:45:54 <zamn900> don't want to distract you anymore
Apr 26 20:46:23 <zamn900> click and type firmly better the next times
Apr 26 20:47:15 <zamn900> an entire community is with you inside your actions right now
Apr 26 20:47:18 <ceene> :)
Apr 26 20:48:09 <ceene> it'll be tomorrow probably
Apr 26 20:48:13 <ceene> it's late now
Apr 26 20:48:37 <zamn900> rught let's kick arses
Apr 26 20:48:51 <zamn900> I go driving
Apr 26 20:48:57 <zamn900> jump in
Apr 26 20:52:22 * zamn900 doesn't wait anymore and rolls away on the road
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