**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 12 02:59:58 2016 May 12 04:02:17 sunshavi: hmm? May 12 05:41:49 KotCzarny hey May 12 05:42:07 I have a question about the boards May 12 05:51:05 chk https://dpaste.de/Am56/raw May 12 07:01:03 sunshavi: for one they are based on rockchip May 12 07:01:10 which is faster than allwinner May 12 07:01:56 second, probably developed outside of china May 12 07:02:39 as for opi board, go for opi+2e May 12 07:03:21 http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Orange-Pi-Plus-2-E-H3-Quad-Core-1-6GHZ-2GB-RAM-4K-Open-source-development/1553371_32665196281.html May 12 07:03:37 (you might probably want to grab some set with power brick etc) May 12 07:04:19 for example this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Orange-Pi-Plus-2e-SET4-Pi-Plus-2e-Power-Supply-Adapter-Support-Android-Ubuntu-Debian-Better/1553371_32666123166.html May 12 10:43:24 i'm stuck again with this yappari thing May 12 10:43:40 and i've ordered opi+2e, hooraah! May 12 10:43:51 there's some underlying issue related to session management that affects both receiving and sending messages May 12 10:44:03 the messages i was able to send were via a strange bypass May 12 10:44:20 but the real issue is there still May 12 10:44:42 i'm playing at work with this thing http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards-and-kits/arty.html May 12 10:46:18 i can't get its ethernet to work :( May 12 10:47:29 :) 2gb, 4x1.3ghz (h3), 3+1usb, av jack, hdmi, gigabit eth, wifi, 16gb emmc, euler connector, mic, ir May 12 10:47:44 price? 35usd + ~4usd shipping May 12 10:47:58 but it's all done! my arty is funnier because i have to implement all those hardware devices in programmable logic, if i want them May 12 10:48:09 not bad. Now add phone functionality to it May 12 10:48:26 well, there are usb gsm sticks May 12 10:48:40 but i plan it to use as a desktop pc replacement (firefox etc) May 12 10:49:01 + make it easy to carry and pleasant for eye :p May 12 10:49:28 bare board ftw! May 12 10:49:43 http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1oYIPJFXXXXbOXVXXq6xXFXXX0/222195001/HTB1oYIPJFXXXXbOXVXXq6xXFXXX0.jpg?size=168812&height=800&width=800&hash=f833b1e4c86dad2a51b2e5e03f0b04c4 May 12 10:50:05 "this my new super cool naked cellphone" May 12 12:33:04 :] May 12 12:40:45 'and this is my battery. *points at heavy backpack*' May 12 12:45:46 KotCzarny: bsd support? May 12 12:45:49 also is the usb 3.0 May 12 12:46:48 nope, but the ports are routed directly to chip (ie. not sharing bandwidth) May 12 12:47:07 as for bsd support, does bsd support allwinner h3 soc? May 12 12:47:49 The current target platforms are Allwinner A1x/A20 (sunxi), Freescale i.MX6 (imx) and TI OMAP3/4 (am335x/beagle/panda). May 12 12:47:56 (openbsd) May 12 12:48:39 then no May 12 12:48:55 :( May 12 12:49:05 unless you plan to run in some linux vm May 12 12:50:31 i really need to replace my sheevaplug with something May 12 12:52:53 clearfod ? May 12 12:52:57 clearfog May 12 12:53:02 its pretty decent board May 12 12:53:16 marvell based tho May 12 12:54:30 6 ethernet tho May 12 12:55:27 and bunch of sata ports with real throughput May 12 12:55:58 what about braswell instead May 12 12:57:05 dont know, i have high hopes for that opi+2e May 12 12:57:08 https://www.solid-run.com/intel-braswell-family/braswell-som-system-on-module/braswell-som-specifications/ coming soon ;-; May 12 12:57:29 and intel have said it leaves embedded market, havent it? May 12 12:58:05 not exactly May 12 12:58:41 they closed their "digital home" unit (settopboxes) May 12 12:59:22 http://liliputing.com/2016/04/reports-intel-is-killing-off-low-power-atom-chips.html May 12 12:59:27 im talking about this one May 12 13:01:06 or i could go balls deep with a skylake-based mini pc May 12 13:07:06 well they did announce they'd kill 12k jobs May 12 13:07:10 so .... May 12 13:35:16 aaargh May 12 13:35:17 i hate this shit May 12 14:18:11 sunshavi: have you seen my reply? May 12 14:37:00 no, i am going to check the log May 12 14:38:54 ok. I have saw it. Nice. also rockchip is 28 nm May 12 14:39:20 also always check vendor/software support May 12 14:39:34 because even best cpu is useless without software May 12 14:39:51 yeah, but unix comes to the rescue :) May 12 14:40:13 not always May 12 14:40:13 And You have probed unix runs there May 12 14:40:56 mmm. All those boards say they support Android and Linux May 12 14:41:05 marketing May 12 14:41:11 KotCzarny: fireprime even supports android 5.1 May 12 14:41:21 you want either full drivers or mainline drivers May 12 14:41:37 unless you are happy with unknown quality droid May 12 14:42:13 KotCzarny: what is "unknown quality droid"? May 12 14:42:33 that it might be full of bugs May 12 14:42:53 then i should wait for u board to arrive :p May 12 14:43:42 fireprime has source code available for android 5.1 and linus version of unix May 12 14:44:28 does it have active user base too? May 12 14:45:13 it seems so. Mailing list. support email May 12 14:46:04 see: http://wiki.t-firefly.com/index.php/FirePrime/Build_kernel/en May 12 14:46:41 KotCzarny: i am gmt -0500. What about You? May 12 14:47:17 cest (+2) May 12 14:47:36 i mean gmt+2 May 12 14:47:48 ok. That's the reason our schedule in not the same May 12 14:48:22 i undrertood. do not worry May 12 14:48:59 what is ur ETA for ur new board? May 12 14:49:08 paid for it today May 12 14:49:18 usual delivery from china is 7-15 days May 12 14:49:28 if there are customs problems another few days May 12 14:53:23 ok, to here is almost a month too May 12 14:53:55 if you are in usa you might contact loverpi shop May 12 14:55:24 https://www.loverpi.com/ May 12 14:56:03 no. South America May 12 15:00:18 KotCzarny: h3 is 28 nm too. What makes rockchip better than allwinner? May 12 15:00:35 is it? May 12 15:00:57 http://linux-sunxi.org/H3 May 12 15:01:16 :) May 12 15:22:30 ceene: what's up? May 12 15:23:24 ah, i've read backscroll now May 12 15:23:44 Sicelo: i hate everyone :D May 12 15:23:48 well, mostly whatsapp engineers May 12 15:23:51 :) May 12 15:23:56 and all the whatsapp users too May 12 15:24:12 my time would be better spent making yappari use telegram May 12 15:24:13 * Sicelo thinks ceene will have no gf soon, lol May 12 15:24:19 i don't hate here May 12 15:24:21 she's cool May 12 15:24:25 s/here/her/ May 12 15:24:32 doesn't use whatsapp? :p May 12 15:24:37 infobot: you should learn how to replace on lines previous to the last May 12 15:24:42 yep, but we work together May 12 15:24:54 so if i want to talk to her i just change office and go talk to her May 12 15:25:08 oh, wow! May 12 15:25:28 technology! May 12 15:26:23 she's the pcb maker for our radars May 12 15:26:28 well, designer May 12 15:26:31 o.O May 12 15:26:34 is she real? May 12 15:26:36 lol May 12 15:26:39 do you want one? May 12 15:26:41 she has a sister May 12 15:26:44 but is a doctor May 12 15:26:50 O.o May 12 15:27:30 if neo900 wants to contract us both, we're willing to think about it May 12 15:27:37 we're quite tired of radars and our boss May 12 15:28:21 we're the perfect team May 12 15:33:32 http://imgur.com/a/rKm7D May 12 15:33:40 two of her boards May 12 15:33:46 1.0 and 2.0 May 12 15:34:02 :) May 12 15:34:21 in 2.0 the first beer is empty because we've already drank it May 12 15:34:46 they don't let us introduce beers in our circuits anymore :( May 12 15:57:19 ceene: we could use a good layouter May 12 15:59:35 according to the icons I guess the board revisions are b1 and b01 May 12 15:59:40 ;-) May 12 16:00:18 ooh, you already explained that May 12 16:00:43 I don't mind beers in Neo900 :-) May 12 16:01:16 how about 8-layer? May 12 16:01:26 in-pad vias, BGA? May 12 16:01:33 eagle? May 12 16:02:20 I suck as layouter, so I'd love to outsource this May 12 16:03:56 * DocScrutinizer05 needs an alternative to mouse, wrist hurts May 12 16:04:09 eyetracking maybe? May 12 16:04:52 ceene: anyway I can't hire anybody, only contract May 12 16:05:35 query me May 12 16:07:41 OHNOES! mg.pov.lt down? May 12 16:07:49 hmm, only slow May 12 16:08:46 or is that just my DSL? May 12 17:38:27 http://www.experten-arbeit-stärken.de/ May 12 19:22:48 DocScrutinizer05: ahycka uses altium May 12 19:23:27 her first bga design will be this term, with an artix7, and after that a kintex7 May 12 19:23:37 maybe a zynq someday too May 12 19:23:48 that'll be 12 layers possibly May 12 19:25:34 she's routed a couple 8GHz designs too May 12 19:27:24 there she is May 12 19:28:28 Hi :) May 12 19:31:39 hi! May 12 19:31:57 altium is fine, just we don't have it May 12 19:32:28 I'm absolutely sure altium can import eagle schematics, but could it export layouts to eagle format? May 12 19:34:20 (eagle layout aka .brd format isn't that bad nowadays. Plaintext XML) May 12 19:36:31 http://paste.opensuse.org/41821225 May 12 19:39:16 ahycka: ^^^ May 12 19:39:24 BBL May 12 19:40:29 if we can't have .brd files for eagle, we need to ponder if it nevertheless can get done May 12 19:58:05 https://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Importing+and+Exporting+Design+Files May 12 19:58:23 altium can read eagle fies, wirte not so much May 12 19:58:49 ohp yes it can May 12 19:58:51 .brd files May 12 19:59:05 SDRC-IDF Brd Files (*.brd) May 12 19:59:19 DocScrutinizer05 i can try export a project from altium to eagle and see what happend then when i'll open in eagle and viceversa May 12 20:00:16 and, anyway, i dont mind learn eagle May 12 20:47:11 ahycka: sounds good May 12 20:47:29 :) May 12 20:48:42 I'd also not mind learning/using altium. If only it wasn't the need to buy it first, and the problem to share the files to community then May 12 20:48:54 :) May 12 20:49:24 the eagle router is rather crappy May 12 20:51:44 is there a repo with neo900 schematics/pcb? May 12 20:58:02 hmmm, see what's in neo900.org/resources - I dunno if I published the project files of recent design, prolly not since there are actually vampires out there :) May 12 21:00:12 wait till I'm back home, I send you the most recent proj files May 12 21:03:47 i see some pdf files, but i think there aren't source files there May 12 21:04:12 we want to test at least and see how import/export works from altium/eagle May 12 21:06:49 ceene: understood, just wait another 30 min May 12 21:07:34 there's no hurry, we won't be able to try it until tomorrow at work May 12 21:08:01 and it's 11pm here xD May 12 21:08:08 almost sleep time May 12 21:31:01 sleep time is it! May 12 21:31:03 bb! May 12 21:32:40 nn! May 12 21:36:58 o/ May 12 22:53:20 Hi guys, the search input text on http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog works for You guys? May 12 22:54:18 didn't last time I tried May 12 22:54:44 ~seen mgedmin May 12 22:54:50 mgedmin <~mg@Maemo/community/contributor/mgedmin> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 849d 9h 59m 5s ago, saying: 'if you rephrase the question as "what does it mean when the irc client on my n9 says 'channel mode is ...'", it suddenly becomes on-topic ;)'. May 12 22:55:16 however he's online May 12 22:55:30 nfc clue in which channel May 12 22:55:37 I'll query him May 12 22:58:41 done May 12 22:59:59 thanks DocScrutinizer05 May 12 23:00:34 alas http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ has no search May 12 23:01:00 err May 12 23:01:21 meh, google search May 12 23:01:38 I am planning on compiling openssl 0.9.8n 4 os2008. and I think I read somebody was trying to update openssl on n900 based on the versions on Red Hat version XXX May 12 23:01:54 ~seen DocScrutinizer05 May 12 23:01:55 docscrutinizer05 is currently on #n9 (19h 1m 53s) #openmoko (19h 1m 53s) #neo900 (19h 1m 53s) #maemo-ssu (19h 1m 53s) #devuan (19h 1m 53s) #maemo (19h 1m 53s) #qi-hardware (19h 1m 53s) #harmattan (19h 1m 53s) #infobot (19h 1m 53s) #openmoko-cdevel (19h 1m 53s). Has said a total of 84 messages. Is idling for 34s, last said: 'meh, google search'. May 12 23:02:52 ~shutup May 12 23:02:52 yes master, I'll STFU May 12 23:02:57 nice command. Any cheat sheet about the infobot? May 12 23:03:05 ~+help May 12 23:03:05 I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" May 12 23:03:06 37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dice, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat May 12 23:03:06 39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, identify, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection May 12 23:03:06 33 topics: rename, reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, translate, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf May 12 23:03:17 ~query May 12 23:03:17 talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) May 12 23:05:24 nice. thanks May 12 23:05:29 yw May 12 23:05:40 most useful: May 12 23:05:48 ~listkeys #maemo May 12 23:05:49 Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (16 of 106): #maemo 720p ;; #maemo 9 ;; #maemo beasttweaks ;; #maemo bnf ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; #maemo cmtfix ;; #maemo cssu-state ;; #maemo dmnc ;; #maemo ek ;; #maemo emmc2 ;; #maemo expired-key ;; #maemo fam ;; #maemo firmware ;; #maemo fix-sb ;; #maemo flopswap ;; #maemo gestures. May 12 23:06:00 ~720p May 12 23:06:00 it has been said that 720p is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695 May 12 23:06:17 ~listvalues cloud-7.de May 12 23:06:21 Factoid search of 'cloud-7.de' by value (17): #maemo bm-images ;; bq-calibrate ;; #maemo mhd ;; backupmenu ;; malf ;; jrrepos ;; #maemo wiki-backup ;; matan ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; bq27k-detail ;; bq27 ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; #maemo dns #DEL# ;; flashing-cmdline #DEL# ;; #maemo interim-dns ;; maemo-flashing ;; unplug-usb. May 12 23:06:32 ~mhd May 12 23:06:33 well, mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent! May 12 23:07:01 Could I search for "openssl" or "red hat"? May 12 23:07:12 ~listvalues redhat May 12 23:07:14 Factoid search of 'redhat' by value (22 of 95): bluecurve ;; bootable cd ;; capslock ;; cygwin-xfree86 ;; deadbat ;; deadrat ;; debhat ;; dstool ;; gdb ;; hatred ;; in fact, gnucash ;; ipcop ;; ipo ;; jffs2 ;; korganizer ;; libc-alpha ;; macmillan ;; memprof ;; mingo patches ;; opposite ;; redhat cd kit ;; redhatbug. May 12 23:07:45 supports regex as well May 12 23:08:25 ~listvalues redhat.*ssl May 12 23:08:27 Factoid search of 'redhat.*ssl' by value returned no results. May 12 23:08:31 ~listvalues redhat*ssl May 12 23:08:32 Factoid search of 'redhat*ssl' by value returned no results. May 12 23:08:42 ~listvalues ssl*redhat May 12 23:08:43 Factoid search of 'ssl*redhat' by value returned no results. May 12 23:08:48 ~listvalues ssl.*redhat May 12 23:08:49 Factoid search of 'ssl.*redhat' by value returned no results. May 12 23:08:50 ~listvalues ssl May 12 23:08:52 Factoid search of 'ssl' by value (19 of 181): 0.8.1 mozilla ;; abm ;; apache rootca ;; apache-ssl-jserv ;; cmd: oppress (.*?) ;; exim4 ;; florida ;; genericstable ;; jargon ddt ;; libssl ;; of course, i assume this device ;; ohm ;; port 993 ;; radiusd-freeradius ;; repop ;; rfc 1739 ;; rfc 361 ;; rfc 425 ;; rfc 72. May 12 23:08:52 meh May 12 23:09:23 ~listvalues " ssl " May 12 23:09:23 ok, be right back on a few mins. May 12 23:09:24 Factoid search of ' ssl ' by value (12): apache-ssl-jserv ;; safegossip ;; wn/ssl ;; jonama ;; licq-ssl ;; openconnect ;; raven ssl module ;; ca ;; itissl ;; whataday ;; stunnel ;; slush. May 12 23:10:01 ~stunnel May 12 23:10:01 Universal SSL tunnel. URL: http://mike.daewoo.com.pl/computer/stunnel/ May 12 23:10:27 ~listvalues " ssl .*URL" May 12 23:10:29 Factoid search of ' ssl .*URL' by value returned no results. May 12 23:10:33 ~listvalues " ssl *URL" May 12 23:10:35 Factoid search of ' ssl *URL' by value (8): slush ;; stunnel ;; apache-ssl-jserv ;; wn/ssl ;; raven ssl module ;; safegossip ;; jonama ;; itissl. May 12 23:10:54 ~listvalues " ssl *URL*mike" May 12 23:10:55 Factoid search of ' ssl *URL*mike' by value (1): stunnel. May 12 23:20:58 apropos, WTF a URL is this?! http://mike.daewoo.com.pl May 12 23:25:11 >>Unknown Host<< thought as much May 12 23:25:27 ~factinfo stunnel May 12 23:25:27 stunnel -- it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 15m 26s ago. May 12 23:25:39 err yes? May 12 23:25:52 ~forget stuannel May 12 23:25:53 DocScrutinizer05: i didn't have anything called 'stuannel' to forget May 12 23:26:00 ~forget stunnel May 12 23:26:01 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot stunnel May 12 23:26:48 must have been a factoid from 1999 May 12 23:28:54 ~factinfo safegossip May 12 23:28:55 safegossip -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. May 12 23:29:05 tzzz May 12 23:29:22 ~factinfo joerg May 12 23:29:22 joerg -- created by jOERG at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (2758 days); last modified at Fri Oct 3 21:44:08 2014 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 79 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 3d 37m 26s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. May 12 23:29:59 ~factinfo jonama May 12 23:30:00 jonama -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. May 12 23:30:20 really now? May 12 23:30:31 ~factinfo itiss May 12 23:30:31 there's no such factoid as itiss, DocScrutinizer05 May 12 23:30:35 ~factinfo itissl May 12 23:30:35 itissl -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. May 12 23:30:46 *cough* May 12 23:31:22 ~factinfo apache-ssl-jserv May 12 23:31:22 DocScrutinizer05: no extra info on apache-ssl-jserv May 12 23:31:30 wow! May 12 23:31:56 ~factinfo slush May 12 23:31:56 slush -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. May 12 23:32:32 ~factinfo raven ssl module May 12 23:32:33 raven ssl module -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. May 12 23:32:40 LO May 12 23:33:54 L May 12 23:34:02 (kbd defect) May 12 23:42:00 ok. thanks May 13 01:22:22 Hello, anyone know which keyboard combos correspond to non-keyboard buttons in n900 ? May 13 02:58:46 anyone? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 13 02:59:58 2016