**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 27 02:59:58 2016 May 27 03:21:27 luke-jr: :-S May 27 03:24:51 even while he's gone, lemme answer (( why do I need to remove the battery?)): it's the 100% failsafe way, when you know what you're doing you can forget about removing battery and get away with simply powering down the device. There are a few nasty not commonly known details though, for example the device takes up to 30s longer to shutdown than it seems to May 27 03:25:18 it pretends to be off but still is shutting down May 27 03:25:55 when battery is removed, it's pretty safe to assume the device is *really* off ;-D May 27 03:27:07 also any contact bouncing on inserting battery is irrelevant, contrary to same bouncing on USB data lines May 27 05:34:53 luke-jr: but that's good, because then you are not putting force on the weak port? May 27 05:35:12 and that's the reason why you were looking for it? May 27 06:07:16 DocScrutinizer51: with my spare device i need to remove battery because it powers up immediately when battery is inserted. Dunno what is "his" problem, but it has been like that since i got the device. May 27 06:08:01 someone messed with the startup scripts maybe? May 27 06:08:17 did flashing it changed anything? May 27 06:19:04 Vajb: does it have RD mode set by chance? May 27 06:24:49 fmg: if its the true, then might be good idea to add it to doc's flashing script May 27 06:25:21 hmm, why? May 27 06:25:48 so people wont have to wonder why their devices dont stay off May 27 06:27:31 KotCzarny: well, maybe a check and "your device have XXX RD flags set, do you want..." makes sense. May 27 06:27:47 yes, that was what i meant May 27 06:29:17 in fact it has rd mode set now, since i tried to figure out why it reboots randmomly, but start when battery inserts has always been there. I think i've flashed it atleast twice and it didn't change a thing May 27 06:29:49 turn it off and check? May 27 06:30:06 Vajb: flashing does not change DR mode flags May 27 06:30:09 *RD May 27 06:30:34 hmm so it could have been rd mode since day one? May 27 06:30:50 Vajb: also, it is not simpy "RD mode", actualy there are a couple of flags May 27 06:30:50 did you buy it used? May 27 06:31:00 but flickering lights came when i personally set rd mode May 27 06:31:34 KotCzarny: yep. Im kinda late with n900 May 27 06:32:01 Vajb: "flasher-3.5 --query-rd-mode" May 27 06:32:03 even late with n900 one might seek 'brand new, unopened!' offer ;) May 27 06:32:38 asking price is quite high with those May 27 06:42:35 hmm strange i can't get this pc to find the device. Altho it seems to be at correct state May 27 06:42:53 i mean flasher in pc May 27 07:12:50 DocScrutinizer05: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394 LUL May 27 09:05:47 kerio: WTF May 27 09:08:52 I'm actually wondering whether I should just laugh at it, or .... May 27 10:00:03 * drathir wonder if any chances about omp supports application/x-mpegts-private-section decoder ? May 27 10:54:22 bencoh: that just shows how incompetent debian maintainers have become May 27 10:55:55 (or loyal to their hidden superiors) May 27 10:56:29 * KotCzarny fixes his tinfoil hat May 27 11:03:46 naw, why would any user process be running after the user logs out? :) May 27 11:03:57 write a .service instead May 27 11:41:23 KotCzarny: it's also not being of use as a port May 27 15:07:08 (( Vajb: flashing does not change DR mode flags)) unless done with ~flasher-cmdline May 27 15:10:31 kerio: many thanks May 27 15:10:41 though I can't say "made my day" May 27 17:13:33 luke-jr: well, put something on the cable so it wont move? May 27 17:25:28 KotCzarny: this sounds impractical in any real world use case where the cable might have gotten snagged.. May 27 17:25:41 ie, a moving person May 27 17:28:57 um, i dont understand your use case then May 27 17:29:12 if you carge it or use as a usb-data, then you dont move it usually May 27 17:29:16 *charge May 27 17:29:48 USB battery pack May 27 17:30:05 hum May 27 17:30:08 battery in my pants pocket; N900 in my shirt pocket May 27 17:30:23 but that stresses usb port even more May 27 17:37:30 … May 27 18:12:39 o.O May 27 19:29:29 gold on my wrist (wrist), phone in my pocket May 27 19:29:51 wurst in your mouth? May 27 19:33:04 hoooray it's Friday (no doubt about that) May 27 19:33:39 in The Good Old times[TM] Friday was the day to go all silly May 27 19:33:57 ;-) May 27 19:55:26 KotCzarny: it's from a song May 27 19:55:38 weirdly titled "motorola" May 27 19:56:28 moto rollin' rollin' May 27 19:57:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRoeRt54IWM May 27 21:21:13 grrr, mafw-lastfm has gone funny again. I can't recall how I fixed it last time. May 27 21:31:05 ~pkg May 27 21:31:06 pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ May 27 21:53:13 no more yaparri :( May 27 22:24:50 DocScrutinizer05: it still is May 27 22:58:37 Vajb: (power up immediately) use my flash+it+all.sh, it should fix tgat too May 27 22:59:58 ~listvalues flash-it-all May 27 23:00:03 Factoid search of 'flash-it-all' by value (5): no. #maemo lazyflashing #DEL# ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; maemo-flashing ;; flashing-cmdline #DEL# ;; #maemo lazyflashing. May 27 23:00:42 ~lazyflashing May 27 23:00:42 it has been said that lazyflashing is 'wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz -O - 2>/dev/null &&cd maemo-my-private-workdir&&sudo ./flash-it-all.sh' May 28 01:33:37 wtf? May 28 01:34:06 ping timeout on bouncer? May 28 01:35:33 sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ May 28 01:38:21 That's a weird command. May 28 01:38:59 Is it meant to write a .tgz to standard out? May 28 02:31:21 ugh. damn you infobot May 28 02:31:32 ~forget lazyflashing May 28 02:31:32 i didn't have anything called 'lazyflashing' to forget, DocScrutinizer05 May 28 02:31:53 ~froget lazyflashing May 28 02:32:00 ~forget lazyflashing May 28 02:32:00 DocScrutinizer05: i didn't have anything called 'lazyflashing' to forget May 28 02:32:11 ~forget #maemo lazyflashing May 28 02:32:11 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot #maemo lazyflashing May 28 02:32:46 ~flashing-cmdline May 28 02:32:47 rumour has it, flashing-cmdline is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12 May 28 02:33:19 ~#maemo lazyflashing is see flashing-cmdline May 28 02:33:19 DocScrutinizer05: okay May 28 02:34:01 ~lazyflashing May 28 02:34:01 i guess flashing-cmdline is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12 May 28 02:35:26 ~lazyflashing is also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ May 28 02:35:26 DocScrutinizer05: okay May 28 02:35:30 ~lazyflashing May 28 02:35:31 methinks flashing-cmdline is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12 May 28 02:35:46 ~forget lazyflashing May 28 02:35:46 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot lazyflashing May 28 02:36:01 ~#maemo lazyflashing is also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ May 28 02:36:01 okay, DocScrutinizer05 May 28 02:36:07 ~lazyflashing May 28 02:36:07 rumour has it, flashing-cmdline is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ May 28 02:36:30 ~flashing-cmdline May 28 02:36:31 [flashing-cmdline] http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ May 28 02:38:03 This reminds me of why programming should always be done through text editors. May 28 02:39:28 * DocScrutinizer05 programs an /ignore into his IRC client May 28 02:40:54 ~flashing May 28 02:40:55 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline May 28 02:42:11 ~no, #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach May 28 02:42:22 infobot: no, #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach May 28 02:42:22 DocScrutinizer05: okay May 28 02:42:38 ~flashing May 28 02:42:39 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline May 28 02:45:24 ~literal flashing May 28 02:45:24 "flashing" is "see maemo-flashing" May 28 02:45:42 ~literal maemo-flashing May 28 02:45:42 "maemo-flashing" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline" May 28 02:46:11 ~maemo-flashing is also see ~lazyflashing May 28 02:46:11 okay, DocScrutinizer05 May 28 02:46:19 ~literal flashing May 28 02:46:19 "flashing" is "see maemo-flashing" May 28 02:46:26 ~flashing May 28 02:46:26 from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing May 28 02:56:39 ~bm May 28 02:56:39 [backupmenu] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 28 02:59:58 2016