**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 27 02:59:58 2016 Jun 27 08:30:21 DocScrutinizer05: just to be clear, last time i was vague: 0) everything audio does work properly 1) telepathy sending video over Jingle works, receiving untested 2) telepathy receives skype video but crashes attempting to send (as soon camera button is clicked = "boom") 3) Attempting SIP Video over Linphone causes the call to stop working (never starts or dies if done mid-call) the service... Jun 27 08:30:23 ...does properly support video i had tested pc to pc 4) she does not know if her phone is overclocked or not Jun 27 09:02:33 the tests (0) to (3) are N900 or Windows? Jun 27 09:24:47 sicelo: N900's Telepathy and Jitsi on Windows and Linphone for Windows Jun 27 09:25:27 * Juest regrets leaving Jun 27 09:27:20 hotel california tune chimes quietly in ~~ Jun 27 10:35:12 * Oksanaa wonders if Nokia had any battery chargers less likely to melt in high temperatures than dt-33... To be fair, I managed to get Nokia 5230 to stop charging Jun 27 10:36:27 No obvious signs of damage too. Like, its charging port is not something which can be broken off (its spring-y contacts touch the motherboard, akin to trrs port) Jun 27 13:12:46 merlin1991: ping Jun 27 13:12:51 CSSU testing! Jun 27 13:54:27 freemangordon: v4.7-rc4-n900 branch is on github linux-n900 tree Jun 27 13:54:52 tidspbridge has some compile errors (some omap functions were removed), so I commented that code, see git commits Jun 27 15:35:36 Pali: ok Jun 27 15:36:52 Pali: though, you should've merged my 4.7 branch, as it is cleaned-up Jun 27 15:38:34 Pali: hmm, I can;t see those commits Jun 27 15:38:47 which commits? Jun 27 15:39:04 "...so I commented that code, see git commits" Jun 27 15:40:02 there is one: https://github.com/pali/linux-n900/commit/f670b8baf5b2ba698b726c4ca98fb7ae6ec11500 Jun 27 15:45:06 freemangordon, merlin1991: please look at last comment: https://github.com/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/pull/1 Jun 27 15:45:45 Pali: really, you'd better take https://github.com/freemangordon/linux-n900/tree/v4.7-rc1-n900 as a base, there is too much legacy in your tree already Jun 27 16:43:12 okay, it seems to be a qemu-user fault after all Jun 27 16:43:37 the fun thing is that only install-xattr seems to be affected Jun 27 17:15:13 Pali: what would cause the battery status indicator to never show "full"? i am on cssu-thum & replacement bme if that matters. http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-20160627-190942-N2LW3nVl.png is as hight as it gets Jun 27 17:16:06 no idea Jun 27 17:16:57 http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-20160627-191007-9acPomju.png Jun 27 17:17:04 hmm Jun 27 17:17:52 sicelo, what does the cmdline tool returns? Jun 27 17:18:05 ahm, nvm Jun 27 17:18:21 might be just bad battery Jun 27 17:19:58 i have completely different battery now, but calibration doesn't succeed Jun 27 17:20:27 charge cycle broken by time/temperature? Jun 27 17:20:35 i will try again on this cycle (4th since the replacement battery) Jun 27 17:20:58 i don't think temperature is a problem Jun 27 17:21:03 also i think there was a trick to charge with some load applied Jun 27 17:21:56 is it normal for the alternative symbols screen not to appear if MyDocs is not mounted? Jun 27 17:22:59 KotCzarny: that allows for "more' charge? Jun 27 17:23:21 i think so Jun 27 17:23:36 ceene: you mean Fn+Ctrl? Jun 27 17:23:41 yes Jun 27 17:24:59 ceene: never had that problem. one thing i know is that QT applications can't show that symbols screen & hwkbd mappings for them don't work Jun 27 17:25:04 when i reboot it starts an fsck, as the filesystem has a directory that is broken beyond repair, so it always fscks for 5 minutes or so Jun 27 17:25:35 and that screen won't appear until it has finished and is mounted Jun 27 17:25:51 Sicelo: yappari was qt and symbols screen worked perfectly Jun 27 17:26:03 no, it didn't :) Jun 27 17:26:08 lol Jun 27 17:26:11 well, it did for me Jun 27 17:26:29 with hwkbd open? Jun 27 17:26:31 i could insert all the spanish accents, the eņe, etc Jun 27 17:26:34 yes Jun 27 17:26:38 stock vs cssu vs some hacked os? Jun 27 17:26:45 i only use the hardware keyboard Jun 27 17:26:47 cssu Jun 27 17:26:53 which cssu Jun 27 17:26:55 :P Jun 27 17:27:04 don't know, cssu Jun 27 17:27:10 not thumb Jun 27 17:27:15 -stable, -testing, -thumb Jun 27 17:27:15 stable i guess Jun 27 17:27:26 maybe some thing from testing Jun 27 17:27:26 sicelo is on -testing or -devel i think Jun 27 17:27:36 it should've work, then Jun 27 17:27:43 it never worked for me even when i was still on stable Jun 27 17:28:02 i'll try another qt application .. Jun 27 17:28:02 i also have a python-qt app, pyLedger, in which it also works Jun 27 17:28:32 this app of mine doesn't support utf8 text, bu that's another issue regarding me not knowing enough python Jun 27 17:28:47 but it lets you use the symbols screen Jun 27 17:31:04 refactoring code is fun (when its finished) Jun 27 17:32:31 freeing code is fun :P Jun 27 17:32:40 yup, working on it Jun 27 17:33:19 also, i have an active n800 user using oscp! Jun 27 17:33:23 hoorrah! Jun 27 17:33:28 lolOA Jun 27 17:33:37 weird, lol .. working on cutetube2 .. i had real problems with it on Yappari .. pity it's not there to test again Jun 27 17:34:53 sicelo, another issue might be weak charger Jun 27 17:35:11 using original N900 charger Jun 27 17:35:56 and anyway, bq27200 says 100%. I don't understand why the status icon 'disagrees' Jun 27 17:37:29 that's why i'd be happy to get bq27200 reset completely, but no amount of battery disconnection makes a difference Jun 27 17:37:33 :-/ Jun 27 17:39:37 ahm Jun 27 18:14:12 yo yo Jun 27 18:29:54 Pali: -rc5 is out, please, use https://github.com/freemangordon/linux-n900/tree/v4.7-rc1-n900 (git format-patch maybe) and apply on top of -rc5, instead of rebasing yet again Jun 27 18:31:28 maemo can boot off that 4.7-rc1? Jun 27 18:31:58 Sicelo: what?!? Jun 27 18:32:01 ~fptf Jun 27 18:32:02 rumour has it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Jun 27 18:32:21 :) Jun 27 18:32:55 the last shot there is with 4.6-rc1, but yes, 4.7-rc1 boot as well Jun 27 18:33:07 *boots Jun 27 18:33:46 i saw elinux page was updated today .. what is the exact situation with camera - it works? or not? Jun 27 18:33:50 Pali: or, if you don;t have time, I'll push 4.7-rc5 Jun 27 18:33:59 Sicelo: well, it is tricky :) Jun 27 18:34:11 cameras work, but... Jun 27 18:35:18 Sicelo: if you have time and will http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-media/msg99789.html Jun 27 18:35:20 :) Jun 27 18:35:59 i think you left out something far more important Jun 27 18:36:05 "know-how" :p Jun 27 18:36:31 here on IRC one can talk and appear to be an expert, lol .. fact is - i know nothing really Jun 27 18:36:42 Pali: or, if you wish I can prepare rc5 for you to pull it from my tree on github? Jun 27 18:37:31 i want to build kernel again .. only did it once, some years ago (before DT times). what do i need? Jun 27 18:37:42 gcc Jun 27 18:37:44 :) Jun 27 18:37:49 :) Jun 27 18:39:24 i've pushed something on github Jun 27 18:39:34 using buildroot Jun 27 18:39:38 anyone wishes to share an image of their working SB? i have mine, but there might be an issue or two judging from my attempt to build confclerk few days ago Jun 27 18:39:59 you can compile without bothering with all the cross compilers suite and all that Jun 27 18:40:32 ceene: really? i can produce N900 kernel directly from my Debian amd64? :-/ Jun 27 18:40:39 how can i make an image for you? just taring /scratchbox dir is enough? Jun 27 18:40:41 yes Jun 27 18:40:49 let me find that link Jun 27 18:41:35 ceene: that would be awesome yes (SB .. ). i had set mine up as a virtualbox ose VM Jun 27 18:42:49 https://github.com/agamez/buildroot-N900 Jun 27 18:43:32 ceene: just taring /scratchbox is not enough, there are some bindmounts and whatnot Jun 27 18:44:21 that is based on buildroot-submodule https://github.com/Openwide-Ingenierie/buildroot-submodule which in turn is just a wrapper around buidroot to ease custom code integration Jun 27 18:44:49 ceene: does that actually work? what does it build? Jun 27 18:44:51 freemangordon: is there an easy way to make a portable version of my scratchbox installation then? Jun 27 18:45:02 VM? Jun 27 18:45:29 freemangordon: it builds a kernel and very small rootfs which can be booted with flashe Jun 27 18:45:44 yeah, but that would mean a new installation Jun 27 18:46:01 i can do that, though, it's not a bad idea in any case Jun 27 18:46:28 but i'd like to just share my current install if it's possible Jun 27 18:46:41 but why do you need to share your SB? Jun 27 18:46:45 guess i shouldn't be lazy too, haha .. just redo the whole thing. Jun 27 18:46:52 don't know, so Sicelo can compile things Jun 27 18:46:58 ask him :P Jun 27 18:47:07 ceene: will it run in my SB? Jun 27 18:47:12 is it supposed to? Jun 27 18:47:17 my buildroot thing? Jun 27 18:47:19 no Jun 27 18:47:22 lazy approach to compile for N900 :) Jun 27 18:47:28 that runs on any linux system Jun 27 18:47:33 ah, ok Jun 27 18:47:36 debian, gentoo or whatever Jun 27 18:48:06 ceene: so, if I clone the repo in my ubuntu, it will build a small rootfs image? Jun 27 18:48:15 I can flash on the device? Jun 27 18:48:18 buildroot is a pretty cool thing https://buildroot.org Jun 27 18:48:24 basically, yes Jun 27 18:48:33 hmm, cool Jun 27 18:48:33 well, i haven't flashed it myself Jun 27 18:48:43 what are your plans on that? Jun 27 18:48:47 so you may need to change some settings Jun 27 18:49:08 i don't have a clear plan, to be honest Jun 27 18:49:17 I mean - do you plan to make a full blown maemo? Jun 27 18:49:29 or example Jun 27 18:49:32 *for Jun 27 18:50:06 my idea was to make it be more of a kind of reference than a useful thing in itself Jun 27 18:50:22 i'll use that for debian :) Jun 27 18:50:24 documenting little by little what thins i face (See Notes file) Jun 27 18:50:57 there a few notes there that i've gathered from conversations here, links, etc Jun 27 18:51:08 scratchbox install wiki still valid? Jun 27 18:51:11 I see some IRC logs :) Jun 27 18:51:20 Sicelo: should e, more or less Jun 27 18:52:04 Sicelo: beware, SB gcc4.7 segfaults on kernel 4.2 :( Jun 27 18:52:23 i like using buildroot for read only filesystems Jun 27 18:52:43 you can choose among a vast list of packages to install Jun 27 18:52:45 * Sicelo is still on ancient kernels (the beauty of running debian, lol) Jun 27 18:53:22 so it's pretty valid for building a base distro, without any specific support for later installation of applications Jun 27 18:53:26 well, I am on 3.13 here :p Jun 27 18:53:36 although among those available packages there is ipkg, opkg Jun 27 18:53:40 Linux whitehouse 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.81-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux Jun 27 18:54:38 ubuntu 14.04 here. I upgraded to 4.2, but it resulted in SB thumb target not working, so I had to revert Jun 27 18:56:59 let me build openvpn (with some xor patches, don't even know why there are needed) ... will let you guys know what problems i face, and maybe you'll help me solve the real issue with my current SB Jun 27 18:57:44 i will be away from my home pc for a week. i don't have public IP on it, and can't adjust any ports. i have root on two servers belonging to friends, and can install stuff as i need. so what i want is to be able to occassionally connect back to my home pc. Jun 27 18:57:59 and also access my local LAN (which has other goodies) Jun 27 18:58:02 make a reverse ssh tunnel Jun 27 18:58:09 i guess VPN is the best way? Jun 27 18:58:09 (simplest) Jun 27 18:58:19 vpn would work too if done correctly Jun 27 18:58:45 i seem to think ssh tunnel will not make it too easy for me to interact with the LAN? Jun 27 18:59:02 think of ssh tunnel as a tcp port forward Jun 27 18:59:20 udp wont work without tricks Jun 27 18:59:36 yep, you'd have to set up individual ports for each service Jun 27 18:59:43 in that case a vpn is gest Jun 27 18:59:49 yup Jun 27 18:59:53 but openvpn is apt-gettable on maemo Jun 27 18:59:58 s/gest/best/ Jun 27 19:00:06 ssh is good for quick solution Jun 27 19:00:14 vpn requires a bit more fiddling Jun 27 19:00:20 easy enough though Jun 27 19:00:26 except the friend who already has openvpn is running it with some xor patches .. (think china - great firewall) Jun 27 19:01:29 the other server doesn't have openvpn running. i could install it, but would have to first discuess, etc. haha .. so china is easier as i already have everything in place server side Jun 27 19:02:12 vpn is nice in a way you will feel as if you were at home Jun 27 19:02:29 but as i said, dont forget to harden it a bit Jun 27 19:03:06 it is hard already (for the chinese friend. just annoying that i have to recompile for n900) Jun 27 19:03:28 because by default it uses quite weak cryptos/algos Jun 27 19:03:47 also i think openssl on fremantle is buggy Jun 27 19:05:25 i am afraid of that, yes. will see what happens when i build and test :) Jun 27 20:01:10 freemangordon: how is thumb target in SB related to host being linux-4.2 vs 3.x? :/ Jun 27 20:01:43 any idea why gcc segfaults? Jun 27 20:04:44 building openvpn .. http://paste.debian.net/764743/ .. it's an easy issue, but what i'm asking myself is - does it mean my SB is outdated? that is building from N900 sources Jun 27 20:15:11 that problem fixed now Jun 27 20:27:24 i once asked a question here ... i once built a deb and it ended up with all the source inside itself, haha .. any idea what i could have done wrong? Jun 27 20:56:18 you should nclude a -I.git parameter Jun 27 20:56:27 to Ignore that pattern Jun 27 20:57:27 time to sleep, if hot night allows it Jun 27 20:57:46 one last q. before you go :) Jun 27 20:57:59 what do you use to build a deb? checkinstall? Jun 27 21:18:12 is there a vpn that can deal with tcp over tcp in a good way? Jun 27 22:11:58 I dont think there is a "good way" :) Jun 27 22:13:04 L29Ah: best you can do is avoid the double tcp .... think ssh forwarding/socks proxying (ssh -D) for instance Jun 27 22:13:23 i can't avoid it if a tcp tunnel is my sole way of accessing the internets Jun 27 22:14:24 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks Jun 27 22:20:43 tcp over tcp would refer to network interface tunneling Jun 27 22:20:48 with ssh Jun 27 22:20:59 ssh forwarding is typically data-over-tcp, which is fine Jun 27 22:23:21 chmod -R xy:xy ~xy/.* Jun 27 22:23:36 even does -h :-o Jun 27 22:23:54 FFS Jun 27 22:24:00 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks some more Jun 28 02:06:30 DocScrutinizer05, blunt force trauma will give you alzheimers Jun 28 02:06:42 don't "headdesk" too often Jun 28 02:06:50 I mean parkinsons. Jun 28 02:09:10 don't ever use -Recursive together with dotfile shell patterns Jun 28 02:10:29 too much stuff? Jun 28 02:11:33 yes, particularly ../* **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 02:59:58 2016