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Jun 30 07:00:54 <DocScrutinizer05> huh what?? don't ever dry cats or bake PCB board in a *MICROWAVE* oven
Jun 30 07:08:48 <Vajb> awww but it would make such nice sparkles
Jun 30 07:32:23 <KotCzarny> :>
Jun 30 07:32:32 <KotCzarny> maybe a tiny 'splosion even?
Jun 30 08:04:15 <DocScrutinizer05> sparkling cats
Jun 30 08:11:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<Sicelo> wut! just worked now)) some router tables fixed themselves? there must be quite a number of routers beween your server and the PC/N900
Jun 30 08:15:12 <xelo> wow, I'v lefet yesterday and you talked about microwave / hot-air oven comparison, an now: still microwaves. seems to be a "hot" topic
Jun 30 08:15:26 <xelo> * I've left
Jun 30 08:24:04 <bencoh> yeah, probably docs reading the backlog ;)
Jun 30 08:29:27 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly
Jun 30 11:02:51 * Oksanaa thinks that while replacing pulseaudio with alsa-only may be a noble goal, pulseaudio is way too deeply integrated with other parts of the system to go easily
Jun 30 11:03:50 <Oksanaa> Okay, mstardict5,I am not sorry to see you go : you should have known better than to depend on pulseaudio-utils
Jun 30 11:07:50 <Oksanaa> mstardict*
Jun 30 11:11:31 <bencoh> awww
Jun 30 11:11:40 <bencoh> mstardict is cool though
Jun 30 11:12:08 <bencoh> even if I still need to fix RTL support in it
Jun 30 11:15:25 <Oksanaa> Yes, it's cool, even if it would have been preferable to not hard-code espeak dependency. flute could hypothetically work as tts, even if it always gave me trouble
Jun 30 11:16:48 * Oksanaa remembers there was a feature request to have selectable text in mstardict
Jun 30 11:17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> hardcoding that sort of dependencies is always a knockout criterion at least for the good-programming-style award
Jun 30 11:19:47 <Oksanaa> Well, even libre-chess depends on gnuchess, instead of thinking on possibility of alternative chess engines
Jun 30 11:21:41 * Oksanaa is more sad about dependency on pulseaudio-utils; why is it here at all?
Jun 30 11:23:39 <DocScrutinizer05> good question
Jun 30 11:39:48 <bencoh> Oksanaa: it can play sound through some text-to-speech module iirc
Jun 30 11:40:08 <bencoh> ah, you already saw all that :)
Jun 30 11:40:33 <bencoh> ah, utils....
Jun 30 11:42:04 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly the usual clueless aproach that every app takes care by itself about assumed optimum audio mixer config
Jun 30 11:42:34 <DocScrutinizer05> lately firefox started to set my master volume @ 63% whenever I play a video
Jun 30 11:42:45 <DocScrutinizer05> which **SUCKS**
Jun 30 11:43:36 <DocScrutinizer05> that's what a clueless audio server implementation gives you. Many thanks Poettering!
Jun 30 11:43:58 <DocScrutinizer05> on maemo we got alsaped for that
Jun 30 11:44:52 <Oksanaa> alsaped?
Jun 30 11:44:56 <DocScrutinizer05> which to me is pretty much a misnomer, since aiui it enforces PA policies onto PA and maybe ALSA mixer
Jun 30 11:45:31 <DocScrutinizer05> root       764  0.0  0.5   4872  1292 ?        Ss   Jun19   0:01 /usr/sbin/alsaped -p 4 -f /usr/share/policy/etc/current/alsaped.conf
Jun 30 11:50:10 <Oksanaa> Looking at alsamixer is... confusing. Its volume (playback or capture or all) does not correlate with hildon-volume, afais?
Jun 30 11:51:19 <DocScrutinizer05> *aiui* somewhere around OHM-* there's a config file with a long list of program names|audiopattern tuples, so the according audio setup (from /usr/share/policy/etc/current/alsaped.conf ?) gets set as soon as the accordingly named process gets started
Jun 30 11:51:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksanaa: alsamixer control names are pretty 'random'
Jun 30 11:52:15 <DocScrutinizer05> usually they correlate to the mixer chip pin naming, not the actual signal purpose on the particular platform
Jun 30 11:52:29 <Oksanaa> chip: pulseaudio
Jun 30 11:52:34 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jun 30 11:53:08 <Oksanaa> card: pulseaudio
Jun 30 11:53:24 <Oksanaa> in short, looks like a wrapper
Jun 30 11:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> we have two cards afaik: card0 and card1, and they correspond to modem IIS and to the TLV320AIX34 audiocodec mixer chip
Jun 30 11:56:46 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/69813474
Jun 30 11:57:15 <DocScrutinizer05> don't ask me about card1, it doesn't apply. amixer blows chunks on -c1
Jun 30 11:57:30 <Oksanaa> alsamixer -c 0 gives much more interesting results. card: rx-51
Jun 30 11:57:33 <DocScrutinizer05> so nfc what's default (omitting -c)
Jun 30 11:57:40 <Juest> lspci?
Jun 30 11:59:12 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/49067404
Jun 30 11:59:37 <DocScrutinizer05> aah not card1, device1
Jun 30 12:00:02 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe not, really a mess
Jun 30 12:01:03 <Juest> alsamixer should be a clean/clear way to see audio devices.... i dont understand how oksanaa gets confused
Jun 30 12:01:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/56647251
Jun 30 12:01:28 <DocScrutinizer05> Juest: you would if you tried yourself
Jun 30 12:01:44 <Juest> I dont have a maemo, is xephyr the same?
Jun 30 12:02:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/30/plasma-desktophL2277.png
Jun 30 12:02:52 <Oksanaa> xephyr should be similar enough, never tried it myself
Jun 30 12:03:25 <Juest> oksanaa: its the fremantle sdk btw, a ubuntu lucid VM enviorment 
Jun 30 12:03:37 * Oksanaa used MADDE on Windows as development environment, ages ago
Jun 30 12:04:10 <Juest> and its impossible to do shift+control combinations/hotkeys because shift+control = grab/release input in Xephyr
Jun 30 12:04:30 <Juest> i wish there's a way to run the emulator in a separate X
Jun 30 12:04:34 <Juest> rather than Xephyr
Jun 30 12:05:09 <DocScrutinizer05> alsamixer -c0 :: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/30/plasma-desktopPp2277.png
Jun 30 12:08:41 <DocScrutinizer05> funny enough, according to man alsamixer  -c0 is allegedly default
Jun 30 12:09:35 <Oksanaa> fun
Jun 30 12:15:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/30/plasma-desktopBA2277.png
Jun 30 12:17:59 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/15170424
Jun 30 13:07:55 <Vajb> i think i have spotted the problem with callerx blacklist mode
Jun 30 13:09:32 <Vajb> blacklistfile is at mydocs and after i plug my phone to pc it refuses all calls so problem seems to be that it doesn't recover from mydocs being mounted to pc
Jun 30 13:39:18 * drathir still wonder why its keep using non ext fs...
Jun 30 14:08:47 <bencoh> so that it could be mounted on non-linux computers :)
Jun 30 14:09:01 <bencoh> and the only "universal" fs at that time was fat
Jun 30 14:09:12 <bencoh> (it still is more or less ....)
Jun 30 14:35:17 <erlehmann> so i will probably get a replacement n900
Jun 30 14:35:19 <erlehmann> the one from my ex
Jun 30 14:35:30 <erlehmann> that DocScrutinizer05 repeatedly flashed when it did not work
Jun 30 14:35:42 <erlehmann> is there someone in berlin who has done the springfix, though?
Jun 30 18:36:11 <KotCzarny> erlehmann: why dont you just buy used n900 in 100% working condition?
Jun 30 18:36:26 <KotCzarny> 20-30usd
Jun 30 18:37:11 <erlehmann> KotCzarny, I got one from my exgf
Jun 30 18:37:14 <erlehmann> just now
Jun 30 18:37:22 <erlehmann> also because money is tight right now
Jun 30 18:37:23 <KotCzarny> you've said it was problematic
Jun 30 18:38:09 <erlehmann> i don't know the thing
Jun 30 18:38:25 <erlehmann> i will test it
Jun 30 18:39:51 <erlehmann> also i think that if i have 2 half-working things i might be able to put together 1 working thing
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