**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 10 02:59:58 2016 Jul 10 13:30:38 * Oksanaa is typing from Firefox OS phone; virtual keyboard is painful Jul 10 13:30:53 :) Jul 10 14:20:51 DocScrutinizer05: perhaps i could copy and edit the start_xephyr.sh and change the X server perhaps? Jul 10 14:20:58 i am not sure if it will work properly Jul 10 14:35:33 I don't know Jul 10 14:36:37 :( Jul 10 14:38:18 varaha-space/www/people.internal/neo/daily-build/history/april-update/ipk/armv4t/xserver-kdrive-xephyr_1.3.0.0-r25_armv4t.ipk and similar files is all I can locate on my machine Jul 10 14:40:51 I tried, nothing to be found really Jul 10 14:40:54 but the binary itself Jul 10 14:40:56 :| Jul 10 14:45:18 yeah, people.internal.openmoko.org isn't related to maemo at all Jul 10 14:45:47 also deceased Jul 10 14:46:39 as I said: sorry but I didn't touch xephyr since half a dozen years Jul 10 14:49:57 the concept is pretty cute but not nearly as convenient as a real hw platform aka N900 for testing Jul 10 14:50:48 And for worse it has glitches! Jul 10 14:53:34 shoot the glitches till they are dead Jul 10 15:54:30 err ... Jul 10 15:54:49 L29Ah: ? Jul 10 15:54:57 gah. Jul 10 15:57:42 i think his connection is flaky (or tunnel) Jul 10 15:57:49 either way he should do something about it Jul 10 16:08:06 definitely Jul 10 16:08:08 yes Jul 10 16:08:20 and oksana is on her sister phone Jul 10 16:08:26 which is that slow firefox os Jul 10 16:08:37 geeksphone nemo i think Jul 10 16:08:49 keon* Jul 10 16:09:29 KotCzarny: how to kill the glitches? i am clueless :D Jul 10 16:10:17 Apparently hes using ejabberd Jul 10 16:10:32 perhaps its a bug Jul 10 16:15:20 juest: with the gun? Jul 10 16:15:37 .... Jul 10 16:16:18 should debug it but i am completely clueless Jul 10 16:16:24 http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Glitch_%28enemy%29 Jul 10 16:16:27 Anyone used the fremantle sdk recently? Jul 10 16:17:42 i just use gcc from sdk in chroot Jul 10 16:21:51 I use sb Jul 10 16:21:58 so do a few people around here Jul 10 16:22:02 Juest: why? Jul 10 16:34:04 please holler when that part/join flood continues. I don't see it here since I got all those events on ignore Jul 10 16:35:15 comference mode Jul 10 16:36:02 bencoh: i am on the official nokia prepared lucid fremantle sdk vm Jul 10 16:36:24 and xephyr maemo is 99% ok Jul 10 16:42:26 i am looking forward getting the emulator work more properly Jul 10 16:42:48 i cant do maemo shortcuts thanks to xephyr's grab/ungrab input combo Jul 10 16:43:24 perhaps i could make the start script not use xephyr but xorg Jul 10 16:43:48 huh ? Jul 10 16:44:08 the sdk comes with a xephyr "emulator" where you can use maemo itself bencoh Jul 10 16:44:18 yeah I know xephyr Jul 10 16:44:37 it doesnt work very well Jul 10 16:44:41 but what is it about "using xorg instead of xephyr"? Jul 10 16:45:11 well I dont really think it was meant to be a perfect reproduction of the n900 Jul 10 16:45:23 bencoh: making it use a different X server instead of xephyr because i cant use maemo shortcuts because control+shift is used to ungrab/gab mouse/keyboard Jul 10 16:45:34 And it does have some bugs Jul 10 16:45:49 not a full maemo and out of nowhere suddenly i cant install packages anymore Jul 10 16:45:56 i dont know why Jul 10 16:46:09 cant you configure xephyr to use a different shortcut? Jul 10 16:46:50 and theres a serious glitch where applying a theme causes the gui to work erratically and i cant change the theme again, that personalization ui stops working somewhat Jul 10 16:46:57 bencoh: i dont know how if there any way Jul 10 16:47:03 has no config(?) Jul 10 16:47:16 nothing in man, nothing in docs Jul 10 16:47:21 dunno, I usually check the source when I dont know Jul 10 16:47:43 (and end up patching if I cant find what I'm looking for ;) Jul 10 16:48:21 * Juest ha programming basics but doesnt know to write in any language Jul 10 16:48:33 but at least i can progress with instructions :) Jul 10 16:48:48 * Juest is basically a tester and compiler Jul 10 16:48:48 hmm ... then what are you using xephyr for? Jul 10 16:49:07 Because the script uses Xephyr to display maemo? Jul 10 16:49:20 do you have n900? Jul 10 16:49:23 Fremantle SDK desktop shortcut in that lucid vm Jul 10 16:49:28 No Jul 10 16:49:35 grab 2 n900 Jul 10 16:49:37 done Jul 10 16:49:39 im only into maemo because of oksana Jul 10 16:49:45 :) Jul 10 16:49:55 lol? Jul 10 16:50:18 ... Jul 10 16:50:48 bencoh: /usr/local/bin/start_xephyr.sh installed by fremantle sdk Jul 10 19:15:13 oh bummer Jul 10 19:17:06 so X40 has an SSD with 44-pin connector. i have taken out the HDD to debootstrap debian on it via a PATA-USB adapter. the 'problem' is that the SSD has no numbering or keying for the 44pins. Any idea how to tell the correct pinout? Jul 10 19:17:20 it's the 41W0737 Jul 10 19:17:51 compare with hdd Jul 10 19:17:57 its not symmetrical Jul 10 19:18:00 ie. more to one side Jul 10 19:18:17 it is .. it fits both ways in my adapter :/ Jul 10 19:18:26 also, remember x40's controller/drive is powered from 3.3V Jul 10 19:18:32 i do have an old 2.5" HDD . .that one was keyed Jul 10 19:19:02 as for the pinout, there should be square marker on one of the pins Jul 10 19:19:19 http://pc-level.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/2.5ide-hard-drive.jpg Jul 10 19:20:09 the jumper block isn't there, and pin 20 exists on this SSD :) Jul 10 19:20:21 http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1IPs8IFXXXXcZXXXXq6xXFXXXq/l-Kingspec-1-8-inch-44PIN-PATA-IDE-SSD-Solid-State-Disk-ssd-64GB-Hard-Drive.jpg Jul 10 19:20:35 as i said, its the positioning nuance Jul 10 19:20:40 more to one side Jul 10 19:21:18 http://eshop.sintech.cn/images/ST4060-logo.jpg Jul 10 19:21:25 see square pin hole here? Jul 10 19:22:50 don't see it .. but i think i get the idea now :) Jul 10 19:23:01 the 3.3V thing might be an issue then :-/ Jul 10 19:23:20 guess i must look at TFTP instead then .. oh well Jul 10 19:24:00 there are special adapters for x40, with voltage adjusted Jul 10 19:24:16 that's why you can see 'x40' in ebay auctions Jul 10 19:25:12 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-PCI-E-mSATA-SSD-5cm-3-3V-to-1-8-IDE-3-3V-44pin-SSD-for-IBM-X40-HDD-Adapter-/121303461664 Jul 10 19:25:17 for example Jul 10 19:25:29 alright. at least i didn't force anything .. now to setup TFTP .. wondering if dnsmasq can do it (i'm already using it for my wifi network) Jul 10 19:25:44 ah cool .. supported Jul 10 20:55:27 awesome. bbb successfully booted the lappie :) Jul 10 23:34:48 * Oksana hopes that rosin flux helps with soldering; zero experience with flux, nearly zero with soldering http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/321508406523 Jul 11 00:09:19 rosin flux is not recommended Jul 11 00:10:17 well, actually rosin flux is not a sufficiently specific term to say if the flux is OK Jul 11 00:12:27 tbh I'm not certain that those pens actually are filled with _any_ flux Jul 11 00:12:57 you definitely can't say which one, if any Jul 11 00:18:52 anyway rosin is not "bo clean", you should get a no-clean flux Jul 11 00:19:32 e.g. https://www.chemtronics.com/p-706-circuitworks-no-clean-flux-dispensing-pen.aspx Jul 11 00:27:20 https://www.amazon.com/Kester-951-Soldering-Low-Solids-No-Clean/dp/B004X4KOWS http://www.sra-solder.com/soldering-brazing-supplies/fluxes/rework-fluxes Jul 11 00:45:51 and >>nearly zero [experience] with soldering<< makes me urgently suggest to rather search for help by some experienced soldering iron acrobat Jul 11 00:46:34 soldering those testpoints is a demanding even for me Jul 11 00:47:12 definitely no good opportunity to exercise / learn soldering Jul 11 00:47:50 at very least get a blank pads raster PCB and train at least 50 solder joints there Jul 11 00:48:15 more if you feel like you still could improve your skills Jul 11 02:33:35 Okay, good point, Bonknote flux pen is likely not coming with the flux inside. Still, finding the website of the manufacturer, with detailed descriptions, is ... interesting. http://www.bonkote.eu/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 11 02:59:58 2016