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Aug 11 08:09:25 <xes> i haven't found any tips about this: is there a way to trim the mA of current provided to the flash leds while using camera-ui2?
Aug 11 08:12:18 <Defiant> https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch this?
Aug 11 08:21:27 <xes> in fact i was talking about a setting to increase the power of the flash while taking a photo. Standard camera-ui flash is pretty weak. Testing the leds with lanterne shows that also with safe current levels flash leds can produce brighter light pulses. So, i was asking which is the current gived to the leds while using camera-ui and how change it
Aug 11 08:31:35 <xes> @ 215 mA the leds can produce really more light than camera-ui while shooting photo with flash. It's easy to try, you can open lanterne in strobe mode at level 12(215 mA) and camera-ui at the same time and try one an the other in a dark room. I can see that very often camera-ui fails to focus because flash light in insufficient
Aug 11 08:35:08 <bencoh> silly question, but how do we know 215mA is a "safe level"?
Aug 11 08:35:13 <bencoh> (datasheet?)
Aug 11 08:37:12 <bencoh> camera-ui2 uses gdigicam to set flash mode
Aug 11 08:37:52 <bencoh> (g_digicam_manager_set_flash_mode)
Aug 11 08:44:03 <bencoh> which in turns uses a gst-camerabin, which relies on gst_photography
Aug 11 08:49:47 <bencoh> (oh and, none of those specify a level, only a mode)
Aug 11 08:52:12 <Defiant> maybe the mA is factory programmed in the ADP?
Aug 11 08:58:37 <xes> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2153251/
Aug 11 08:59:17 <xes> .max_flash_intensity = ADP1653_FLASH_INTENSITY_REG_TO_mA(19), /* Must be limited to 320 mA in RX-51 B3 and newer hardware */
Aug 11 08:59:30 <xes> 215 mA is level 12
Aug 11 09:00:26 <xes> bencoh: so gdigicam has a setting for this?
Aug 11 09:00:45 <bencoh> xes: nope, only a mode
Aug 11 09:00:52 <bencoh> I dunno where the value is set
Aug 11 09:26:33 <xes> i searched a lot.. in all this years no one worried about flash intensity and poor camera focus in the dark? Seems weird, probably i'm missing something
Aug 11 09:27:23 <bencoh> I suppose pretty much everyone just assumed camera would work poorly in bad light situations
Aug 11 09:28:15 <sicelo> :)
Aug 11 09:46:04 <zGrr> moin ;)
Aug 11 10:37:47 <xes> :) v4l2-ctl --get-ctrl flash_intensity
Aug 11 10:38:07 <xes> v4l2-ctl --set-ctrl flash_intensity=14
Aug 11 10:38:31 <KotCzarny> wiki material
Aug 11 10:40:20 <xes> KotCzarny: ? maybe.. Where?
Aug 11 10:40:38 <KotCzarny> camera related page or phone control maybe
Aug 11 10:41:52 <KotCzarny> so many camera pages
Aug 11 10:42:02 <KotCzarny> https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_camera_sensor https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_VGA_camera https://wiki.maemo.org/Video_camera
Aug 11 10:42:02 <xes> KotCzarny: oh you too ar at the "maybe" point of the search.. Ok
Aug 11 10:42:36 <KotCzarny> https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking
Aug 11 10:43:20 <KotCzarny> https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/Camera_UI
Aug 11 10:43:35 <KotCzarny> https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch
Aug 11 10:43:43 <KotCzarny> this page is the best candidate imo
Aug 11 10:43:46 <KotCzarny> (the last one)
Aug 11 10:45:00 <KotCzarny> read it, it has some warnings
Aug 11 10:48:07 <KotCzarny> and this is second best guess for that control: https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control (if you add it here, please add a link to the flash torch page so one wouldnt damage something)
Aug 11 10:50:36 <xes> KotCzarny: sorry, have you read the backlog looking at the point of my question?
Aug 11 10:51:38 <KotCzarny> yes, but im doing something else so i might have misread something
Aug 11 13:40:12 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: interesting topic
Aug 11 13:42:57 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: there's no UI for setting flashlight brightness that I know of
Aug 11 13:44:11 <DocScrutinizer05> btw did I spam this chan with http://neo900.org/news/migrating-away-from-eagle-to-kicad already? Now I did ;-)
Aug 11 13:45:49 <bencoh> you did yesterday iirc
Aug 11 13:46:16 <bencoh> oh, maybenot, nevermind
Aug 11 13:46:21 <bencoh> (not this one :D)
Aug 11 14:54:10 <fishbulb> link for backupmenu please
Aug 11 15:00:06 <fishbulb> ~bm
Aug 11 15:00:06 <infobot> backupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
Aug 11 15:00:36 <fishbulb> sweet
Aug 11 15:01:05 <fishbulb> how would I get this on a phone with no sim
Aug 11 15:02:06 <sicelo> wifi?
Aug 11 15:02:18 <sicelo> anyway, /me afk
Aug 11 15:11:10 <fishbulb> and no wifi
Aug 11 15:11:39 <bencoh> and no usb I guess?
Aug 11 15:12:01 <fishbulb> actually it does have usb, the other phone that has backupmenu doesn't have usb
Aug 11 15:12:15 <fishbulb> I just backed up my shit from that one, but the usb is shot
Aug 11 15:13:33 <fishbulb> so I have a phone here, no wifi and no sim but yes, usb
Aug 11 15:14:01 <bencoh> then you can install it over usbnet
Aug 11 15:14:18 <fishbulb> I don't know what usbnet is
Aug 11 15:14:21 <bencoh> ...
Aug 11 15:14:35 <fishbulb> I've never used it
Aug 11 15:14:49 <bencoh> there is a wiki page about that
Aug 11 15:14:59 <fishbulb> :/
Aug 11 15:22:46 <DocScrutinizer05> why don't you use uSD card for BM and also to download backupmenu.deb and install that?
Aug 11 15:23:37 <DocScrutinizer05> that fishbulb, tztztz
Aug 11 15:24:23 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: honestly i feel like an install of uboot is a must on any n900 that doesn't have a working usb port
Aug 11 15:24:26 <DocScrutinizer05> always so "I want that, and I want it now! and no, I won't do it the way you suggest, I want it *my* way"
Aug 11 15:24:28 <kerio> even though it's dangerous
Aug 11 15:25:06 <kerio> and also a must on any n900 that does
Aug 11 15:36:23 <bencoh> it's a must everywhere yeah
Aug 11 15:41:02 <kerio> because mostly regardless of what happens, you can boot something from a microsd
Aug 11 15:41:37 <bencoh> almost
Aug 11 15:41:49 <bencoh> yeah :)
Aug 11 16:06:57 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: in fact there is also a weird error about v4l2-ctl while reading flash control: v4l2-ctl -L ---> error 22 getting ext_ctrl Flash strobe
Aug 11 16:09:00 <xes> Anyway, camera-ui restores v4l flash_intensity at every shot :(
Aug 11 16:09:41 <xes> freemangordon: any idea about how set flash_intensity while using camera-ui?  ^^
Aug 11 16:13:51 <bencoh> I suspect this is not camera-ui itself but some function hidden in the v4l source module (of gstreamer), or something in omap3camd
Aug 11 16:14:02 <bencoh> ... I guess :)
Aug 11 16:14:18 <CatButts> this is unrelated
Aug 11 16:14:18 <CatButts> http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/LILETEST.ogg
Aug 11 16:47:18 <_maniac_> nice domain name btw
Aug 11 16:47:39 <CatButts> yes
Aug 11 19:20:30 <DocScrutinizer05> (domain)  
Aug 11 19:20:31 <DocScrutinizer05> Thread 1 (Thread 0x7f1ae8f71780 (LWP 26957)):
Aug 11 19:20:33 <DocScrutinizer05> [KCrash Handler]
Aug 11 19:20:34 <DocScrutinizer05> #6  0x00007f1ae571f3e6 in __strcmp_ssse3 () from /lib64/libc.so.6
Aug 11 19:20:36 <DocScrutinizer05> #7  0x00007f1aa29bea0e in QMetaType::registerNormalizedType(QByteArray const&, void (*)(void*), void* (*)(void const*), void (*)(void*), void* (*)(void*, void const*), int, QFlags<QMetaType::TypeFlag>, QMetaObject const*) () from /usr/lib64/libQt5Core.so.5
Aug 11 19:21:25 <DocScrutinizer05> Qt5Core my ass
Aug 11 19:21:44 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik I don't even jave Qt5
Aug 11 19:22:02 <DocScrutinizer05> have*
Aug 11 19:22:17 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously I do, though
Aug 11 19:24:05 <sicelo> where's that?
Aug 11 19:34:29 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopwo2277.png
Aug 11 19:40:38 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopcx2277.png
Aug 11 19:43:05 <sicelo> ah .. kde
Aug 11 19:43:35 <sicelo> tbh, i have had more nonsense with kde than gnome .. still asking myself why it's praised so much :-/
Aug 11 19:44:06 <sicelo> one of these days i'll lose my patience and go back to gnome
Aug 11 19:45:41 <sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: seen the basic 'user' icon/avatar for KDE5? lol
Aug 11 19:46:37 <DocScrutinizer05> gnome gives you the windows UX, KDE is totally customizable
Aug 11 19:47:17 <DocScrutinizer05> plus I really hate that one available design in gnome
Aug 11 19:47:57 <DocScrutinizer05> plus when gnome published they unbearable first buggy version, I was on KDE already for years
Aug 11 19:48:09 <sicelo> ah
Aug 11 19:50:31 <DocScrutinizer05> KDE1 was a PITA, but hey it was a baby. KDE2 was quite ok. KDE3 was mostly super, KDE4 is crap
Aug 11 19:53:41 <sicelo> i never used KDE until KDE4 a few weeks ago .. tbh, i found it fine. now on KDE5 .. fine too. but i can't agree that KDE is the best thing since sliced bread. or maybe it's because i use terminal more than anything else .. and therefore don't use the 'good' parts of either DE
Aug 11 19:56:03 <CatButts> the highlight of KDE up until v4 was ktuberling
Aug 11 19:56:13 <CatButts> http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/ktuberling.png mildly nsfw
Aug 11 19:56:13 <sicelo> and what's what?
Aug 11 19:56:47 <sicelo> looks like crap thing
Aug 11 19:57:07 <CatButts> it's one of the many toys that comes with KDE
Aug 11 19:57:11 <sicelo> the most annoying problem i'm having with KDE5 (I did have it with 4 too, but not as bad as with 5) is that Wireless networks will suddenly not be connected to, due to "secrets were not provided" .. never had that with gnome
Aug 11 19:59:44 <DocScrutinizer05> KDE is only great when you make it your own
Aug 11 20:00:34 <sicelo> :)
Aug 11 20:00:37 <DocScrutinizer05> the default config is too much windowsy shit inspired, just like gnome. just with kde you have the choice to change virtually every little aspect
Aug 11 20:01:28 <DocScrutinizer05> even consoles aka shells/terminals are fine under KDE
Aug 11 20:55:13 <luke-jr> sicelo: KDE 3 was much better than 4/5
Aug 11 20:55:55 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: +100
Aug 11 20:56:03 <CatButts> yeah, it had the better KTuberling
Aug 11 20:56:32 <luke-jr> KDE 4 barely got tolerable around KDE 4.4, and then went downhill since
Aug 11 20:57:04 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot147.png <-- my desktop layout :p
Aug 11 21:00:33 <sicelo> lol, kde bug page, again :p
Aug 11 21:02:41 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopTD2277.png
Aug 11 21:03:38 <sicelo> another thing i didn't quite like ... konqueror ... why it is both file manager & browser beats me :-/
Aug 11 21:03:46 <DocScrutinizer05> looking closely you'll notice quite a number of customizations, and most of the ones I did are not even visible
Aug 11 21:04:04 <sicelo> yes .. most browsers can file:/// etc ... but really konqueror
Aug 11 21:04:08 <DocScrutinizer05> this is what I like most about konqueror
Aug 11 21:04:31 <sicelo> well i hate it :)
Aug 11 21:05:42 <sicelo> maybe i'll come to love KDE .. but the last month has been unhappy month 
Aug 11 21:07:10 <sicelo> luke-jr: what's that next to the bitcoin icon (i assume bitcon ..)
Aug 11 21:08:00 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopIE2277.png konqueror as browser and filemanager of a variety of protocols
Aug 11 21:08:37 <sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: what's the last icon in the middle group?
Aug 11 21:09:03 <DocScrutinizer05> last?
Aug 11 21:09:17 <DocScrutinizer05> left or right?
Aug 11 21:09:22 <sicelo> i still don't like konqueror's doing that .. where did the KISS principle go to? out the window with Poettering? :)
Aug 11 21:09:48 <sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: in the middle group .. the group that has Cups
Aug 11 21:09:58 <DocScrutinizer05> left or right?
Aug 11 21:10:00 <sicelo> so last ... right :)
Aug 11 21:11:06 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopDx2277.png
Aug 11 21:11:35 <sicelo> okay. thanks
Aug 11 21:11:45 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktoprK2277.png
Aug 11 21:14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> I thought you'd rather ask about that "gnome" footprint in left group (reboot infobot) or the battery symbol in right groups, well you maybe thought that's a laptop - it isn't and the battery starts the UPS monitor
Aug 11 21:16:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~botsnack
Aug 11 21:16:53 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee
Aug 11 21:16:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+uptime
Aug 11 21:16:59 <infobot> - Uptime for purl -
Aug 11 21:16:59 <infobot> Now: 5d 6m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Aug 11 21:17:00 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Aug 11 21:17:00 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Aug 11 21:17:00 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Aug 11 21:17:31 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks purl
Aug 11 21:17:32 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: sure thing
Aug 11 21:18:16 <luke-jr> sicelo: which side?
Aug 11 21:18:49 <luke-jr> systray has: weather (sunny), bitcoin, clementine, psi, kteatime, kteatime, klipper, keyboard layout switch
Aug 11 21:19:01 <sicelo> tbh i didn't think much of all of them ... when i started to use KDE  (after using Gnome for many years, and having tested XFCE, LXDE, and a couple of others) -- any DE ends up nothing more than a launcher for me :) 
Aug 11 21:19:26 <DocScrutinizer05> luke-jr: dang, you must be drinking a lot of tea :-)
Aug 11 21:19:28 <sicelo> ah, so it'd be clementine then luke-jr 
Aug 11 21:19:44 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: I use it for everything :D
Aug 11 21:19:47 <sicelo> what does clementine do?
Aug 11 21:19:56 <luke-jr> sicelo: plays music :P
Aug 11 21:20:04 <sicelo> ah
Aug 11 21:20:06 <sicelo> :)
Aug 11 21:20:59 <sicelo> i'll keep KDE on the laptop, although the wifi thing might end up frustrating me enough .. and i'll keep Gnome on the desktop
Aug 11 21:22:32 <sicelo> how do i get Akregator to properly open a new tab in Firefox .. currently it opens up a brand new window, with two tabs. first one is %u or some such ...
Aug 11 21:22:45 <sicelo> which is a problem in don't have in liferea :0/
Aug 11 21:23:09 <sicelo> (problem i don't have ...)
Aug 11 21:23:47 <luke-jr> I hate GUIs trying to do networking.
Aug 11 21:23:57 <luke-jr> network is a system-wide thing, not a user thing
Aug 11 21:24:27 <luke-jr> (although wouldn't that be interesting, if wifi could do multiple frequencies at the same time.. let each user have their own networking stack :P)
Aug 11 21:24:43 <sicelo> i understand they are trying to make it easy for the 'average' user who doesn't know anything about networking
Aug 11 21:24:49 <sicelo> but they must do it right :p
Aug 11 21:25:12 <sicelo> if i can't use my wifi .. then it's a biiiig problem (and i'm not the only one with this issue btw)
Aug 11 21:27:55 <sicelo> just a question: gnome has gconftool (must like windows' regedit) .. i'm sure kde has something similar .. what would that be?
Aug 11 21:28:05 <sicelo> s/must/much/
Aug 11 21:28:05 <infobot> sicelo meant: just a question: gnome has gconftool (much like windows' regedit) .. i'm sure kde has something similar .. what would that be?
Aug 11 21:28:51 <sicelo> for example .. if i add a widget (kde sports many of them), where is the location of the widget saved?
Aug 11 21:29:39 <luke-jr> sicelo: it doesn't.
Aug 11 21:29:43 <luke-jr> there are config files
Aug 11 21:30:02 <luke-jr> most everything is configurable by normal means
Aug 11 21:30:08 <luke-jr> no need to tweak ugly registry values
Aug 11 21:32:22 <sicelo> hmm, i've heard that said before ..
Aug 12 01:16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> *burrrrrrp*
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