**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 14 02:59:58 2016 Aug 14 09:48:46 oh man Aug 14 09:49:11 the two screws that are visible on the back of the screen are like 100% rust Aug 14 09:49:30 is that a common thing Aug 14 10:49:14 hi. i've got a stupid question. is it ok to run rescueOS from u-boot? instead of backupmenu. like mkimage and stuff? Aug 14 10:49:26 it is ok Aug 14 10:49:36 rescueos is standalone Aug 14 10:49:43 so as long it boots, it runs Aug 14 10:49:58 and usually ran via usb flashing load Aug 14 10:50:05 yes, i know Aug 14 10:50:06 *flasher Aug 14 10:50:34 but for backup purposes with dd, i'd like to have it on-device Aug 14 10:50:42 untill it breaks :) Aug 14 10:57:08 L29Ah: so, just converting both zImage and initrd from rescueOS release with mkimage to uImage format, placing both images to /opt/boot/ and crearing menu entry does the thing? Aug 14 10:59:32 its just a kernel with initd Aug 14 10:59:35 nothing magical Aug 14 11:00:55 KotCzarny: these times you never know :) when robots coding robots coding robots, strange things may happen Aug 14 11:03:29 and for initrd, mkinit load address and entry point options should be both 0? Aug 14 11:03:44 s/mkinit/mkimage/ Aug 14 11:03:44 dkbrz meant: and for initrd, mkimage load address and entry point options should be both 0? Aug 14 11:04:53 no need to set it specifically, so its either inside zimage or default Aug 14 11:32:51 hm Aug 14 11:32:55 ** Unable to read file bootmenu.img.d/rescueOS-1.2-initrd.uImage Aug 14 11:33:19 kerio: rust? ohmy, no not common Aug 14 11:39:52 ok, /opt/boot/ is not enough, bootmenu.img.d/ is in MyDocs, apparently... Aug 14 11:40:11 but then it works like a charm Aug 14 11:40:34 dkbrz: do you have some bootmenu with that uboot? Aug 14 11:40:52 yes, i have kernel-power Aug 14 11:41:00 but it's only kernel Aug 14 11:41:20 i did not have any examples with additional initrd images Aug 14 11:42:01 now i did: Aug 14 11:42:04 $ mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n rescueOS-1.2-kernel -d n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.2/rescueOS_n900_kernel_1.2.zImage rescueOS-1.2-kernel.uImage Aug 14 11:42:19 $ mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -n rescueOS-1.2-initrd -d n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.2/rescueOS-1.2.img rescueOS-1.2-initrd.uImage Aug 14 11:42:42 and created 99-rescueOS-1.2.item Aug 14 11:42:54 containing: Aug 14 11:42:55 ITEM_NAME="rescueOS-1.2" Aug 14 11:42:55 ITEM_KERNEL="rescueOS-1.2-kernel.uImage" Aug 14 11:42:55 ITEM_INITRD="rescueOS-1.2-initrd.uImage" Aug 14 11:42:55 ITEM_CMDLINE="rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" Aug 14 11:43:19 placed both images in /opt/boot Aug 14 11:43:25 and it did not work Aug 14 11:43:46 then copied both to MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/ Aug 14 11:43:51 and then it worked Aug 14 11:48:38 That bootmenu thing seems unnecessarily complicated. Aug 14 11:49:06 * Maxdamantus just uses this: https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/949e81b445ffaa068449 Aug 14 11:50:09 huh, python :) Aug 14 11:50:29 It suffices, and is fairly portable. Aug 14 11:51:11 Can run that boot.scr.py independently anywhere to create the boot.scr file. Aug 14 11:52:36 including from what I normally use as a rescue system: just a 3.14 kernel I've had for a while, and the old ubifs on NAND that I don't use anymore for my main system. Aug 14 11:54:13 Maxdamantus: I don't find the boot menu complicated at all Aug 14 11:54:22 It's actually really simple Aug 14 11:55:16 Compared to the first 14 lines of that Python program? Aug 14 11:55:38 reinventing the wheel that is already round :) Aug 14 12:01:59 hmm.. one more stupid question. i normally don't use n900 as a phone - only as pocket linux terminal. so, I use 3g radio only when I need connectivity. I disable it with dbus-dend com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio fo false, and enable it with true on demand. Question: what is the easiest way to boot n900 with 3G radio didsabled? Aug 14 12:13:40 if you have dbus-send then you can put it in startup scripts Aug 14 12:14:09 but easiest is installing tablet mode button in powerkey menu Aug 14 12:16:53 does it preserve mode on boot? i think it uses the same dbus send, and how ever early it's in the scripts, modem still register to operator network befor you can use it... Aug 14 12:19:48 add it to initrd then? Aug 14 12:21:27 I don't believe there is much benefit in disabling the radio completely, maybe a small amount of battery if that's important Aug 14 12:21:40 swb: privacy? Aug 14 12:22:06 sixwheeledbeast: i don't want to flash myself on the operator network every time i accidentially boot :) Aug 14 12:22:35 i see Aug 14 12:22:36 dkbrz: wrap it in tinfoil? :D Aug 14 12:23:07 buZz: I'll consider it as an option Aug 14 12:23:10 buzz, tinfoil is overrated, 2cm wall of solid metal. Aug 14 12:23:14 ^_^ Aug 14 12:23:36 i'm misty on the details, is N900 ok if you just kill the modem completely? Aug 14 12:23:48 he still wants to use it occasionally Aug 14 12:23:52 so no Aug 14 12:23:53 ;) Aug 14 12:24:23 'i used to be able to use this' <- this falls under occasionally for me Aug 14 12:24:31 KotCzarny: the best option would be setting this "false" variable by default, maybe on filesystem. Or, trace what it actually does, and make these changes default on boot Aug 14 12:24:49 So I assume the reason flight mode is not an option is wifi is required? Aug 14 12:25:02 does modem boot/hop on operator even without firmware? Aug 14 12:26:21 and tablet mode disabled cell while leaving wifi working Aug 14 12:28:17 is flight mode still on after reboot if it was enabled? Aug 14 12:28:26 unlikely Aug 14 12:28:53 Yes, but it requests you to disable it Aug 14 12:29:39 swb, he asks not about flight mode setting but if during reboot modem gets reenabled before flight mode disables it again Aug 14 12:30:44 I wouldn't know on a modem level Aug 14 12:30:55 ~boot-process Aug 14 12:30:55 [boot-process] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87959 Aug 14 16:11:50 damn. dbus is comletely alien thing to me. something between iTunes and windows registery. basic question before i sacrifice my this night to dbus docs - is it generally possible to place some xml file somewhere on the filesystem, so, when dbus starts it sets 'com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio' to 'false'? or man I missing the point completely? Aug 14 16:23:58 od dbus is only the media here, and sscd startup options should be tuned? Aug 14 17:25:01 hmm... looks like blacklisting phonet module via /etc/modprobe.d/ does not work? Aug 14 17:33:05 i think phonet is something else Aug 14 17:33:14 ie. just a bridge to the modem chip Aug 14 17:34:45 so, disabling it will not make modem chip not initialising on boot? Aug 14 17:37:13 my pink phantasy was blacklisting it, and then only insmoding it manually when i need radio :) Aug 14 17:43:49 phink pantasy Aug 14 17:49:32 ye. like "The Slow Rise Of The PSS 280" by Simon Stålenhag. I own 'Tales from the Loop' hardcover, and was allways thinging he's only in painting. Aug 14 18:04:18 dkbrz: you might want to look into the neo900 Aug 14 18:04:29 it actively treats the modem as hostile Aug 14 18:09:26 kerio: I wish I could :( Aug 14 18:10:21 I am poor working class - do not have spare 1k eur. second market or stealing are the only options ;] Aug 14 18:33:05 what is the reason for the hostility against cellular radio by the way? Aug 14 18:33:45 it marks your imei position Aug 14 18:33:53 even without sim Aug 14 18:34:25 ? Aug 14 18:34:45 and another thing is firmware backdoor possibility Aug 14 18:34:56 cellular modems are usually selfcontained machines Aug 14 18:35:07 i'm asking in connection with dkbrz Aug 14 18:36:33 then first case most likely Aug 14 18:41:11 sicelo: tracking Aug 14 18:43:01 and still happy to be tracked when you decide to enable cellular? Aug 14 18:46:17 sicelo: it's controlled. when i decide. in some countries mobile operators are obliged to create direct hooks frg governments into at least signaling. people working for government are of 2 types - incompetent ones, unable to find their place in serious business, or completely of malicious type, being there for abuse reasons. in any case, you loose as a customer, and i don't know what's worse of these 2. whan Aug 14 18:46:23 you enable it on purpose - you know what you are doing Aug 14 23:16:33 * DocScrutinizer05 welcomes Sigyn **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 15 02:59:58 2016