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Aug 16 06:54:40 <warfare> wiki issue should be fixed now. Disk ran full, strangely no icinga alert. 
Aug 16 06:57:54 <chem|st> warfare: ta
Aug 16 06:58:42 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: freaking systemd? freaking kde!
Aug 16 07:48:48 <sicelo> :p
Aug 16 08:01:11 <DocScrutinizer05> huh? how has >>lsof: WARNING: can't stat() cgroup file system /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd<< to do with KDE?
Aug 16 08:05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: thanks a lot
Aug 16 08:08:25 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: I could have said "friggin cgroups" but cgroups would be fine if not fubared by systemd
Aug 16 08:09:10 <DocScrutinizer05> KDE definitely unrelated
Aug 16 08:11:11 <enyc> ;p
Aug 16 08:11:28 <DocScrutinizer05> though I wouldn't argue which is worse, KDE or systemd
Aug 16 08:11:44 <enyc> ;p
Aug 16 08:11:52 <enyc> use Devuan and MATE instead ? ;-)
Aug 16 08:15:47 <DocScrutinizer05> migration is what stopped me from doing so
Aug 16 08:16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> if it wasn't for avoiding migration effort, I had abandoned KDE with the advent of KDE4
Aug 16 08:17:02 <DocScrutinizer05> actaully that would have been the better choice, rather than migrating kde3->kde4
Aug 16 08:19:14 <DocScrutinizer05> there's stuff like windows-hotkeys that *still* doesn't work yet in kde4 like it did in kde3
Aug 16 08:20:23 <DocScrutinizer05> in kde3 I had my kmail on meta+M. In kde4 this works antil next X11 restart or dunno when it silently forgets that stuff
Aug 16 08:20:32 <DocScrutinizer05> until*
Aug 16 08:21:48 <DocScrutinizer05> actually faster forgotten than by X11 restart, the latter only happens 3 times a year, but kde forgets windows-hotkeys after a few days
Aug 16 08:22:08 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe on app restart, read: window close
Aug 16 08:22:45 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe that isn't *meant* to be persistent across window-close and re-open ;-P
Aug 16 08:41:31 <chem|st> such first-world-problems
Aug 16 08:49:57 <KotCzarny> seriously, using inferior clunky programs and complaining here?
Aug 16 08:50:04 <KotCzarny> that rand should go to #kde
Aug 16 08:50:07 <KotCzarny> *rant
Aug 16 08:51:05 <KotCzarny> not to mention systemd, you know that in a few updates you might be forced to REINSTALL os because there would be no other easy way to fuck off the systemd out of the system?
Aug 16 08:52:02 <KotCzarny> on a lighter note, oscp just got adplug tunes support. they sound sooo sweet
Aug 16 09:12:16 <zGrr> yeah, systemd. i am seriously considering to migrate my desktop back to FreeBSD
Aug 16 09:12:32 <KotCzarny> zgrr, just use slackware/gentoo/devuan
Aug 16 09:13:11 <zGrr> i do not like slackware.
Aug 16 09:13:15 <zGrr> gentoo maybe.
Aug 16 09:13:26 <KotCzarny> depending what's your favourite os handling way
Aug 16 09:14:10 <KotCzarny> slack is for hardcores, gentoo is for 'recompile everything' people, and devuan is your usual 'just make it easy, but we cant promise you wont be f*cked up by dependencies' folks
Aug 16 09:14:29 <Wizzup> recompile everything luckily doesn't take any of my time :) 
Aug 16 09:14:32 <Wizzup> only cpu time
Aug 16 09:14:51 <KotCzarny> wizzup, its a nice way to use custom gcc flags
Aug 16 09:14:58 <KotCzarny> or config options
Aug 16 09:15:07 <KotCzarny> though slack is very close to it too
Aug 16 09:15:41 <Wizzup> Nobody in their right mind does that (custom gcc flags)
Aug 16 09:15:53 <Wizzup> stop reading funroll-loops.info ;-)
Aug 16 09:15:55 <KotCzarny> pah, missed opportunity
Aug 16 09:15:56 <KotCzarny> ;)
Aug 16 09:16:08 <Wizzup> you get the freedom to do it, doesn't mean it's stupid
Aug 16 09:16:31 <KotCzarny> yes, that's what i had in mind when describing as 'recompile everything'
Aug 16 09:17:04 <KotCzarny> but one usually gets around just recompiling glibc, as its mostly used bunch of calls
Aug 16 09:21:31 <jonwil> hi
Aug 16 09:24:49 <Wizzup> hello jonwil 
Aug 16 09:27:26 <jonwil> My god reverse engineering weird audio codecs is a nightmare :(
Aug 16 09:29:46 <Wizzup> you're working on the PA stuff?
Aug 16 09:30:18 <jonwil> No, its not N900 related :P
Aug 16 09:30:30 <jonwil> Its a funky audio codec from a game :)
Aug 16 09:30:45 <Wizzup> :)
Aug 16 09:31:09 <KotCzarny> thats why RE is also funky
Aug 16 09:31:38 <jonwil> Anything involving MPEG stuff automatically qualifies as "funky"
Aug 16 09:31:44 <bencoh> nah :)
Aug 16 09:31:48 <bencoh> not that much
Aug 16 09:32:09 <bencoh> (well, agreed, a bit :p)
Aug 16 09:32:40 <jonwil> The format I am working on is a format that's similar to MP3 but its not MP3
Aug 16 09:32:42 <jonwil> so its based on MP3
Aug 16 13:23:15 <Vajb> is anyone interested upgrading pidgin in maemo, so it would be possible to send files via xmmp?
Aug 16 13:42:25 <sicelo> ping the maintainer on tmo .. he's very helpful usually
Aug 16 13:44:45 <bencoh>  /66
Aug 16 13:44:47 <bencoh> woops
Aug 16 13:45:22 <sicelo> bencoh: 666? :p
Aug 16 13:47:15 <bencoh> sicelo: I hope I'll never have that many irssi windows ;)
Aug 16 13:47:40 <KotCzarny> o.O
Aug 16 13:47:47 <KotCzarny> 66 chat windows?
Aug 16 13:47:49 <KotCzarny> madness!
Aug 16 13:47:59 * KotCzarny has 1
Aug 16 13:49:47 <sicelo> KotCzarny: how many channels in that windows?
Aug 16 13:49:56 <sicelo> *window ... <== KotCzarny 
Aug 16 13:49:57 <KotCzarny> 4
Aug 16 13:54:13 <sicelo> i tried doing split windows in irssi ... concept is a little difficult :p
Aug 16 13:54:27 <bencoh> split window is ... bleh
Aug 16 13:55:23 <sicelo> it's only nice if the chat is fast in the channels and you want to keep track in realtime
Aug 16 13:55:57 <KotCzarny> i usually part busy channels when im done asking questions
Aug 16 13:56:54 <KotCzarny> and having everything rolling without the need to switch windows is nice
Aug 16 14:00:41 <KotCzarny> did i mantion that adlib modules sound sweet?
Aug 16 14:00:50 <sicelo> yes, lol
Aug 16 14:00:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 16 14:01:20 <KotCzarny> they are the definition of electronic music
Aug 16 14:01:24 <KotCzarny> all synth
Aug 16 14:11:20 <KotCzarny> buzz, are you buzz-the-modland-admin?
Aug 16 14:15:02 <buZz> no
Aug 16 14:15:08 <buZz> at least , dont think so
Aug 16 14:15:19 <buZz> KotCzarny: i'm easy to spot with the capitalization of first Z
Aug 16 14:16:05 <KotCzarny> is irc case sensitive?
Aug 16 14:16:13 <KotCzarny> nope.
Aug 16 14:28:40 <buZz> all good things in live are case sensitive
Aug 16 14:28:45 <buZz> life*
Aug 16 14:29:23 <buZz> modland.net -> search -> buzz -> 0 hits
Aug 16 14:29:42 <buZz> http://www.modland.net/user/buzz/ <- 404 even
Aug 16 15:21:13 <bencoh> oh wow, I completely forgot about stable release from june <3
Aug 16 16:07:07 <sixwheeledbeast> I think I will be switching to Devuan and MATE upon a stable release. I'd prefer MATE over the current default XFCE.
Aug 16 16:08:24 <KotCzarny> beauty of the old setups is that you can mix and match different software
Aug 16 16:08:48 <KotCzarny> with systemd/gnome cancer its not the case anymore
Aug 16 16:10:10 <L29Ah> systemd/gnome cancer ≠ new setups
Aug 16 16:10:49 <L29Ah> there are several mainstream distros that provide you with either option
Aug 16 16:27:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: full ack, me too
Aug 16 16:29:37 <sixwheeledbeast> MATE seems the obvious DE for long term Debian users IMO, unless they liked the look of GNOME3
Aug 16 16:30:07 <KotCzarny> gnome3 was more touch friendly, but ugly for mouse 
Aug 16 16:30:49 <bencoh> or you could just avoid using any DE :*
Aug 16 16:31:02 <KotCzarny> console is still DE :P
Aug 16 16:31:26 <KotCzarny> as ripped out walls are still walls
Aug 16 16:50:14 <zGrr> What touch friendliness is good for if you cant get Linux compatible touch devices anyway?
Aug 16 16:50:37 <KotCzarny> wishful thinking? cargo cult?
Aug 16 16:50:47 <L29Ah> can't i?
Aug 16 16:50:59 <L29Ah> i've seen several guys with touch displays on laptops and linux
Aug 16 16:51:11 <KotCzarny> seriously
Aug 16 16:51:13 <zGrr> If you try REALLLLLY hard you can.
Aug 16 16:51:14 <KotCzarny> who uses that
Aug 16 16:51:18 <L29Ah> this looked horribly unusable but they insist it's comfortable
Aug 16 16:51:44 <KotCzarny> it was only acceptable in convertible tablet/laptop configurations
Aug 16 16:52:01 <KotCzarny> (thinkpad x41t etc)
Aug 16 16:53:08 <zGrr> I think, those who introduced this shit into Linux world were just parroting Windows touch obsession, which obviously failed. 
Aug 16 16:53:35 <KotCzarny> wasnt gnome windoze copycat since beginning?
Aug 16 16:53:53 <KotCzarny> but it was usable around gnome2
Aug 16 16:53:59 <KotCzarny> gnome3 was utter shit
Aug 16 16:54:19 <zGrr> So we are stucked to dysfunctional, unergonomic user interface. 
Aug 16 16:54:24 <KotCzarny> bring xeroxpark labs again into mainstream!
Aug 16 16:55:10 <zGrr> actually i loved SunOS OpenLook.
Aug 16 16:55:12 <KotCzarny> zgrr, you want which display ratio with that? ;)
Aug 16 16:55:20 <zGrr> back in old days.
Aug 16 16:55:36 <KotCzarny> i like fluxbox, small, fast, functional
Aug 16 16:55:58 <zGrr> they for whatever reason switched to ugly as shit CDE and Motif.
Aug 16 16:56:43 <zGrr> I never liked Gnome.
Aug 16 16:57:02 <zGrr> It was unstable at the beginning and ugly at the end.
Aug 16 16:57:48 <zGrr> It is a shame to see that Linux has become, what it always hated. 
Aug 16 16:58:28 <zGrr> Bloated
Aug 16 16:58:43 <zGrr> User unconfigurable.
Aug 16 16:58:49 <KotCzarny> mine still is
Aug 16 16:59:05 <zGrr> and now, with systemd. 
Aug 16 16:59:14 <KotCzarny> not mine.
Aug 16 17:00:04 <zGrr> I don't even have enough spare time to resist. 
Aug 16 17:02:12 <zGrr> time to go home.
Aug 16 17:02:17 <zGrr> bye
Aug 16 17:02:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 16 17:02:33 <KotCzarny> zgrr, its quite easy
Aug 16 17:02:36 <sicelo> kde5 *is* windows
Aug 16 17:02:42 <sicelo> i'm using it ...
Aug 16 17:05:47 <sicelo> actually when i installed it, for a moment i had to be sure if i was still running linux, as the 'user' icon is exactly this one: http://www.troublefixers.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Interactive-logon-when-enabled.jpg
Aug 16 17:07:04 <sicelo> KotCzarny: was language is oscp written in?
Aug 16 17:08:13 <KotCzarny> c
Aug 16 17:09:17 <KotCzarny> root@opipc:/1/_src/oscp# cat *.c|wc -l
Aug 16 17:09:17 <KotCzarny> 59285
Aug 16 17:09:24 <KotCzarny> almost 60k lines of code
Aug 16 17:09:42 <KotCzarny> probably twice-thrice as much after running through indent
Aug 16 17:56:41 <sicelo> re: kde - this is it! can't stand any more issues with failure to connect to wifi. so, removing kde5
Aug 16 17:57:24 <KotCzarny> :>
Aug 16 17:57:41 <KotCzarny> i got fed with all those wifi managers
Aug 16 17:57:50 <KotCzarny> and just wrote single script
Aug 16 17:58:05 <KotCzarny> that scans available networks, then just connects to one from predefined ones
Aug 16 17:58:28 <sicelo> never had issue in gnome at all .. kde5 has some problem with losing passwords .. have to retype them 
Aug 16 17:59:00 <sicelo> i'll try MATE just now perhaps
Aug 16 17:59:18 <sicelo> tbh, kde is fine ... but this is too much
Aug 16 18:04:15 <fishbulb> how is the autocomplete edited?
Aug 16 18:04:57 <fishbulb> "autocomplete editor" doesn't appear in the repos anymore
Aug 16 18:05:04 <sicelo> complicated. use the application .. autocomp edit
Aug 16 18:05:13 <sicelo> hmm, i installed it from them
Aug 16 18:05:31 <fishbulb> it doesn't appear
Aug 16 18:08:27 <fishbulb> can you check which repo it's in?
Aug 16 18:09:40 <Sicelo009N> devel
Aug 16 18:10:03 * Sicelo009N goes to vote for it
Aug 16 18:10:43 <fishbulb> ok that's why
Aug 16 18:10:45 <fishbulb> thanks
Aug 16 18:18:23 <fishbulb> unknown dictionary
Aug 16 18:18:37 <fishbulb> an unknown dictionary ID has been found
Aug 16 18:19:08 <fishbulb> I'm using english.
Aug 16 18:22:53 <fishbulb> doesn't work with any version of english
Aug 16 18:23:29 <KotCzarny> maybe your version of maemo was pirated
Aug 16 18:24:24 <fishbulb> ha: ha.
Aug 16 18:27:35 <sicelo> KotCzarny: /me likes, haha
Aug 16 18:47:08 <KotCzarny> sicelo, still want that igo stowaway kb?
Aug 16 18:55:37 <sicelo> KotCzarny: i am interested, sure
Aug 16 18:56:17 <KotCzarny> to which country would the package have to go?
Aug 16 18:56:34 <KotCzarny> and what would be the cheapest option
Aug 16 18:58:08 <sicelo> south africa. 
Aug 16 18:58:22 <sicelo> no idea about what options :-/
Aug 16 18:58:43 <KotCzarny> do you have any trip plans to .eu or have someone who would do such trip?
Aug 16 18:59:36 <sicelo> myself no. i will ask around
Aug 16 18:59:45 <sicelo> where in EU are you btw?
Aug 16 18:59:54 <KotCzarny> .pl
Aug 16 19:00:03 <KotCzarny> but any european address would do
Aug 16 19:00:30 <sicelo> okay. will let you know
Aug 16 19:00:33 <KotCzarny> k
Aug 16 19:00:45 <KotCzarny> because i've found that kb and willing to send it 
Aug 16 19:05:02 <sicelo> :)
Aug 16 19:05:15 <sicelo> i am sure i'll work something out
Aug 16 19:13:02 <KotCzarny> my local post carrier says ~15usd, so if you find anything cheaper, shout
Aug 16 19:15:06 <sicelo> that's for South Africa?
Aug 16 19:15:08 <KotCzarny> for pkg. when sending as 'letter' its ~3usd
Aug 16 19:15:18 <sicelo> or EU?
Aug 16 19:15:20 <KotCzarny> for the whole africa
Aug 16 19:17:06 <KotCzarny> will probably get around and send it as regular letter
Aug 16 19:17:20 <KotCzarny> how big is the risk it will get missing on the way?
Aug 16 19:18:23 <sicelo> SA postal service has been rather bad for last few years sadly
Aug 16 19:18:50 <sicelo> to the point that many international/online retailers no longer send items this way, lol
Aug 16 19:19:27 <KotCzarny> so it's either registered package or high risk of not reaching the destination
Aug 16 19:19:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 16 19:19:59 <sicelo> unfortunately :(
Aug 16 19:22:24 <KotCzarny> let me know if you find anyone, otherwise i will send it via post
Aug 16 19:34:03 <sicelo> give me a couple of days. 
Aug 16 22:24:41 <sdfsdf> is
Aug 16 22:24:41 <sdfsdf> RaeCarruth
Aug 16 22:24:43 <sdfsdf> from here
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