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Aug 24 06:37:41 <juiceme> OK, who messed up with the maemo community mailing list moderation buffer!
Aug 24 06:37:45 <juiceme> Hands up ya guilty ones!
Aug 24 06:38:49 <juiceme> The list spew out old automailer messages for all the peol
Aug 24 06:38:56 <juiceme> ple like no end...
Aug 24 06:39:15 <luke-jr> no kidding -.-
Aug 24 15:52:57 <DocScrutinizer05> BTC mining for BTC dummies anybody to help me out?
Aug 24 15:57:29 <buZz> why
Aug 24 15:57:33 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: i mean
Aug 24 15:57:37 <buZz> what do you wanna know
Aug 24 15:57:45 <buZz> its quite a wide subject :P
Aug 24 15:57:48 <buZz> but i know all, AMA
Aug 24 15:58:13 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah. I got an Avalon3 Nano here and try to make sense of it. TOTAL BTX noob
Aug 24 15:58:14 * buZz snugs up to DocScrutinizer05 
Aug 24 15:58:33 <DocScrutinizer05> never used BTC
Aug 24 15:58:37 <buZz> man
Aug 24 15:58:48 <buZz> to be fair, thats pretty much a waste of time
Aug 24 15:58:54 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Aug 24 15:58:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ok
Aug 24 15:59:02 <CatButts> and electricity
Aug 24 15:59:03 <buZz> 6 months after a ASIC gets released, its practically worthless :P
Aug 24 15:59:07 <buZz> it can be used, sure
Aug 24 15:59:23 <buZz> its the fastest devaluating electronics in the world
Aug 24 15:59:36 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: this seems kinda verbose; https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano
Aug 24 16:00:15 <buZz> you want cgminer or bfgminer, grab a upstream version, enable right configure flags for avalon (i guess --enable-avalon , not sure) and run it
Aug 24 16:00:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I try to use that, and get a "page not available" on https://ozcoin.net/ - I gather I'd need an account first
Aug 24 16:00:26 <buZz> i mine on https://www.nicehash.com/
Aug 24 16:00:40 <buZz> just make a bitcoin address in your wallet, it is now your username
Aug 24 16:00:43 <buZz> password can be 'x'
Aug 24 16:01:07 <buZz> host stratum+tcp://sha256.eu.nicehash.com:3334
Aug 24 16:01:16 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, >>just make a bitcoin address in your wallet, it is now your username<< is already above my head
Aug 24 16:01:25 <buZz> ok, do you have a wallet ? :D
Aug 24 16:01:31 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Aug 24 16:01:34 <bencoh> useful during winter or if you get power for free, but...
Aug 24 16:01:53 <buZz> bencoh: i have flatfee power ;) mining is about 40% of my monthly income
Aug 24 16:01:56 <buZz> its been gud
Aug 24 16:02:12 <bencoh> oh, flatfee is nice in that case :)
Aug 24 16:04:26 <buZz> :)
Aug 24 16:04:35 <buZz> i can pay rent + food just from btc
Aug 24 16:04:43 <buZz> all my wages are just disposable income now
Aug 24 16:04:52 <DocScrutinizer05> to start with, http://paste.opensuse.org/34810795 gives me a /dev/tty1 (and tty10?) but no ttyACMx
Aug 24 16:05:28 <buZz> i think thats fine DocScrutinizer05 
Aug 24 16:05:47 <DocScrutinizer05> bfgminer        -S ICA:/dev/tty1        -o stratum+tcp://sha256.eu.nicehash.com:3334 -O mikeqin.avalon:1234        --set-device ICA:baud=115200        --set-device ICA:reopen=timeout        --set-device ICA:work_division=1        --set-device ICA:fpga_count=1        --set-device ICA:probe_timeout=100        --set-device ICA:timing=0.22        --api-listen
Aug 24 16:05:48 <buZz> not all of em are serial devices it seems , this is a USB HID interface, wont give you a /dev/ttysumting
Aug 24 16:05:57 <buZz> hmm
Aug 24 16:06:05 <buZz> modprobe usbserial ? :D
Aug 24 16:06:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm pretty sure -O mikeqin.avalon:1234 won't fly
Aug 24 16:07:16 <DocScrutinizer05> saturn:/sys/bus/usb-serial/devices/ttyUSB0 # lsmod|grep usbserial
Aug 24 16:07:18 <DocScrutinizer05> usbserial              44819  1 pl2303
Aug 24 16:07:53 <DocScrutinizer05> this is a USB->tty adapter cable for my UPS
Aug 24 16:08:29 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: this ; https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#Hardware_version_2.0
Aug 24 16:08:35 <buZz> you have version 2.0 which is HID
Aug 24 16:08:50 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
Aug 24 16:08:58 <buZz> waw , chrome based miner :D
Aug 24 16:09:07 <DocScrutinizer05> so...? wheres TFM?
Aug 24 16:09:28 <buZz> TFM?
Aug 24 16:09:31 <buZz> whats TFM
Aug 24 16:09:32 <DocScrutinizer05> RTFM
Aug 24 16:09:36 <buZz> oh
Aug 24 16:09:57 <DocScrutinizer05> aah you already provided the link, eh?
Aug 24 16:09:57 <buZz> seems to only work in cgminer
Aug 24 16:10:08 <buZz> yes
Aug 24 16:10:08 <buZz> :D
Aug 24 16:10:58 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh* now I wasted an hour to get that other dang miner
Aug 24 16:14:17 <DocScrutinizer05> >> Software installation Installation was successful<<  http://software.opensuse.org/package/cgminer
Aug 24 16:16:03 <buZz> ooo magic
Aug 24 16:16:13 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: and luke-jr is one of devs of bfgminer aswell :P
Aug 24 16:16:19 <buZz> he -isnt- of cgminer
Aug 24 16:16:23 <buZz> ahwell
Aug 24 16:16:59 <DocScrutinizer05> cgminer has same truckload of parameters, just all different ones :-/
Aug 24 16:17:04 <buZz> yeh
Aug 24 16:17:10 <buZz> anyway, you totally need a bitcoin wallet now
Aug 24 16:17:17 <fishbulb> has anyone got PAN to work
Aug 24 16:17:19 <buZz> make one, post me address, i'll send ya a euro
Aug 24 16:17:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I first need to talk to that USB dongle
Aug 24 16:17:29 <buZz> k k
Aug 24 16:17:35 <buZz> keep at it then
Aug 24 16:17:47 <buZz> i've just given you economic incentive though ;)
Aug 24 16:17:52 <DocScrutinizer05> want to see it work, then maybe wallet
Aug 24 16:18:04 <DocScrutinizer05> how would I make a wallet?
Aug 24 16:19:33 <buZz> there's about 2983749283 ways :P
Aug 24 16:19:41 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the problem
Aug 24 16:19:44 <buZz> the 'most normal default' includes running a node
Aug 24 16:19:55 <buZz> which requires you to sync full blockchain (about 82GB now iirc)
Aug 24 16:19:59 <buZz> but, there are others
Aug 24 16:20:27 <DocScrutinizer05> 82GB download sounds like a PITA
Aug 24 16:20:35 <buZz> hehe
Aug 24 16:20:44 <buZz> yeah if only it was a -single- 82GB download
Aug 24 16:20:47 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly even on my server with the Gb backbone
Aug 24 16:20:50 <buZz> that would be sorta ok-able
Aug 24 16:20:52 <buZz> :P
Aug 24 16:20:59 <buZz> its all in 1MB parts, from all different sources
Aug 24 16:21:01 <buZz> anyway
Aug 24 16:21:04 <buZz> seeing you wanna avoid that
Aug 24 16:21:10 <buZz> grab this tool ; https://multibit.org/
Aug 24 16:21:21 <buZz> once you start it, thats it, you have a wallet
Aug 24 16:21:42 <buZz> it generates your first address, and you can generate infinite (well 2^256, still a lot) more addresses
Aug 24 16:22:16 <buZz> it does need to sync a bit, but its like 100MB total i think
Aug 24 16:22:20 <buZz> or maybe less..
Aug 24 16:23:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, will try it
Aug 24 16:33:07 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: all the luck?
Aug 24 16:34:53 <DocScrutinizer05> takes a while to create a new user for it
Aug 24 16:36:15 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/24/plasma-desktopFU2277.png
Aug 24 16:47:54 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/24/plasma-desktopag2277.png
Aug 24 16:48:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<buZz> make one, post me address)) how?
Aug 24 16:50:00 <DocScrutinizer05> 15z94ExNwDumtQgY9BWmudC4dwULfGHYDM  (this is one of your addresses) <-this one?
Aug 24 16:51:32 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: ^^^^
Aug 24 16:54:34 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, I have a wallet now and dunno what to do with it ;-P
Aug 24 16:57:53 * DocScrutinizer05 feels like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nǃxau_ǂToma
Aug 24 16:59:22 <DocScrutinizer05> >>... unaware of the value of paper money, allowing (according to legend) his first earnings for The Gods Must Be Crazy to literally blow away in the wind<<
Aug 24 17:05:30 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: receive buttcoins
Aug 24 17:05:34 <kerio> convert buttcoins into fiat
Aug 24 17:06:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know anybody to receive btc from
Aug 24 17:07:25 <DocScrutinizer05> heck I wouldn't even know how
Aug 24 17:08:10 <kerio> give people your address
Aug 24 17:08:13 <kerio> and a reason to send you money
Aug 24 17:08:35 <DocScrutinizer05> how do I know my address?
Aug 24 17:09:08 <kerio> you generate one in the wallet i think
Aug 24 17:09:10 <kerio> i dunno
Aug 24 17:09:11 <kerio> it's confusing
Aug 24 17:09:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I think above might be "one of [my] addresses"
Aug 24 17:09:26 <kerio> so there you go
Aug 24 17:09:28 <kerio> receive bitcoins
Aug 24 17:09:31 <kerio> use bitcoins to buy drugs on the internet
Aug 24 17:09:47 <DocScrutinizer05> where can I find drugs on the internet?
Aug 24 17:10:06 <DocScrutinizer05> can I get hoockers and booze too?
Aug 24 17:10:18 <kerio> why would you bother with bitcoins and shipping for booze
Aug 24 17:10:53 <DocScrutinizer05> why would I buy drugs?
Aug 24 17:11:05 <kerio> TO GET HIGH AS FUCK
Aug 24 17:11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)))
Aug 24 17:11:42 <kerio> i honestly don't know of any other real purpose for bitcoins
Aug 24 17:11:44 <kerio> like
Aug 24 17:11:49 <kerio> you can exchange bitcoins for actual money
Aug 24 17:11:59 <kerio> with people who want to buy drugs on the internet
Aug 24 17:12:16 <DocScrutinizer05> seems people have massive problems getting payments from USA to EU
Aug 24 17:12:47 <kerio> people have massive problems getting payments through with BTC
Aug 24 17:13:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, how nice
Aug 24 17:13:01 <kerio> because the network is oversaturated
Aug 24 17:13:12 <kerio> and the transfer fees get higher and higher
Aug 24 17:13:18 <DocScrutinizer05> haha
Aug 24 17:13:42 <kerio> and the devs who are currently in control of bitcoin core don't want to make the blocks bigger
Aug 24 17:13:51 <kerio> because otherwise the chinese miners would have an advantage
Aug 24 17:13:53 <DocScrutinizer05> so the whole BTC hype bursted like a soap bubble the monet I try to finally approach it?
Aug 24 17:14:10 <kerio> no way man
Aug 24 17:14:13 <kerio> it's going TO THE MOON
Aug 24 17:14:26 <kerio> https://www.reddit.com/r/buttcoin is my source of info
Aug 24 17:15:19 * DocScrutinizer05 starts to have a hunch why those 40 Avalon2 dongles were a gift ;-P
Aug 24 17:16:00 <kerio> those what now
Aug 24 17:16:22 <DocScrutinizer05> still have a nice RGB LED which I want to make shine in a different color than green
Aug 24 17:16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> WUT bot?
Aug 24 17:17:03 * DocScrutinizer05 kicks infobot's ass
Aug 24 17:18:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wb
Aug 24 17:18:49 <infobot> It's great to be back!
Aug 24 17:19:05 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: bitcoin works but has some issues i feel
Aug 24 17:19:35 <DocScrutinizer05> needing a 82GB and counting in every client is a dead end concept
Aug 24 17:19:56 <kerio> nah that's not really necessary for actual clients
Aug 24 17:20:42 <DocScrutinizer05> it's like having a book with all legit series numbers of bank notes with you, to do any payment
Aug 24 17:20:51 <kerio> there's lighter clients
Aug 24 17:21:25 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, how would I receive BTC in theory?
Aug 24 17:21:39 <DocScrutinizer05> will they magically show up in my wallet?
Aug 24 17:21:42 <kerio> ye
Aug 24 17:21:48 <DocScrutinizer05> will I receive a email?
Aug 24 17:21:55 <kerio> no
Aug 24 17:22:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ok
Aug 24 17:22:06 <kerio> you don't "receive" money
Aug 24 17:22:09 <kerio> someone sends you money
Aug 24 17:22:29 <kerio> you can send money to a nonexistent address
Aug 24 17:22:29 <kerio> and the money is just gone
Aug 24 17:22:37 <DocScrutinizer05> wow
Aug 24 17:22:49 <DocScrutinizer05> great feature ;-P
Aug 24 17:23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> well, bank notes also burn, albeit terribly bad
Aug 24 17:24:31 <kerio> luke-jr can explain why that's good for bitcoin to you
Aug 24 17:24:56 <DocScrutinizer05> how friggin "useful"¡ http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/24/plasma-desktopvx2277.png
Aug 24 17:25:15 <DocScrutinizer05> freaking bot!!!
Aug 24 17:25:16 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: #bitcoin-otc
Aug 24 17:26:01 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: there's like a schism in bitcoin right now
Aug 24 17:26:10 <kerio> between people who want blocks bigger than 1MB and people who don't
Aug 24 17:26:33 <kerio> having bigger blocks would arguably be better because it's a very simple change and it would let the network work better
Aug 24 17:26:35 <kerio> BUT
Aug 24 17:26:50 <kerio> the bigger the blocks, the more latency will affect the miners
Aug 24 17:27:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+uptime
Aug 24 17:27:01 <infobot> - Uptime for infobot -
Aug 24 17:27:02 <infobot> Now: 1m 48s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Aug 24 17:27:02 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Aug 24 17:27:03 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Aug 24 17:27:03 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Aug 24 17:27:18 <kerio> and because of the friggin great firewall of china, it would give an advantage to whatever side of the firewall has the greater hash power
Aug 24 17:27:26 <kerio> right now it's on the china side
Aug 24 17:28:06 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, what a political mess
Aug 24 17:28:34 <kerio> it could be worse
Aug 24 17:28:57 <DocScrutinizer05> the inventors of BTC for sure never thought it would turn into a fight China vs longnoses
Aug 24 17:29:16 <kerio> instead of running a very simple bytecode interpreter, the clients could run a language loosely based on javascript, enabling "smart contracts"
Aug 24 17:29:35 <kerio> and then people could put the equivalent of 100M USD in a smart contract that ends up having a critical bug
Aug 24 17:30:18 <DocScrutinizer05> you seem to know this shit
Aug 24 17:30:37 <kerio> /r/buttcoin is amazing
Aug 24 17:31:35 <kerio> the DAO, renamed "the D'OH" by /r/buttcoin, was an Ethereum smart contract
Aug 24 17:31:56 <kerio> ie a program running on the "ethereum VM", the decentralized computation thing that powers the ethereum blockchain
Aug 24 17:32:20 <kerio> it was supposed to hold funds to be used to fund companies and proposals
Aug 24 17:32:28 <kerio> where people who put money in could vote
Aug 24 17:32:54 <kerio> someone found a possible bug in a bunch of smart contracts, the dao creators said "we're not affected"
Aug 24 17:32:58 <kerio> they were affected
Aug 24 17:33:12 <kerio> someone started pulling out funds
Aug 24 17:33:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I feel like closing thos IRC chan tabs #ozcoin #bitcoin-otc gribble
Aug 24 17:33:23 <DocScrutinizer05> NFC what to do with them
Aug 24 17:33:43 <kerio> in a 100% legitimate fashion
Aug 24 17:33:47 <kerio> because "the code is law"
Aug 24 17:34:35 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like "steer clear  err "STEER CLEAR!!!!"
Aug 24 17:34:38 <kerio> and then a bunch of meanies said "no the code isn't actually law, we're going to hard fork the whole thing and make that contract invalid"
Aug 24 17:34:53 <kerio> and that's good for ethereum and bitcoin
Aug 24 17:35:00 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: the stupidest thing is
Aug 24 17:35:15 <kerio> the whole organization or whatever PRIDED itself in being completely bound by the code
Aug 24 17:35:20 <kerio> there was an explanation of how the voting and stuff worked
Aug 24 17:35:58 * DocScrutinizer05 shrugs
Aug 24 17:36:17 <DocScrutinizer05> seems like a problem for peopkle who don't have problems
Aug 24 17:36:26 <kerio> but there was a big disclaimer at the beginning saying "this explanation is not at all binding, what's actually in the ethereum blockchain at address <whatever> is the only real description of what will happen, if there's any discrepancy between this explanation and the code then this explanation is wrong"
Aug 24 17:37:09 <kerio> and then they hard forked the whole bloody thing to go "oops we didn't mean that"
Aug 24 17:37:19 * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at "one window tab more in taskbar", from that wallet thing
Aug 24 17:37:22 <kerio> this DAO had no real relation to ethereum itself
Aug 24 17:37:31 <kerio> it was just one of many smart contracts
Aug 24 17:37:42 <kerio> and the bug was a bug in how smart contracts were written, not a bug in ethereum
Aug 24 17:37:43 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: sorry, I can't follow, since err 10 min
Aug 24 17:38:05 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm quite sure I shouldn't even try
Aug 24 17:38:28 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: "code is law" except when some devs have money in a buggy distributed program
Aug 24 17:38:32 <DocScrutinizer05> 40 useless USB dongles - MEH
Aug 24 17:38:59 <kerio> also, "let's make our blockchain run a turing complete language inspired by javascript"
Aug 24 17:39:18 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: bitcoin as a concept is very very neat
Aug 24 17:39:30 <kerio> or, well, blockchains
Aug 24 17:39:53 <kerio> trading cryptocurrencies for actual money or viceversa is a very risky proposition
Aug 24 17:40:00 <kerio> because they're very volatile
Aug 24 17:40:23 <DocScrutinizer05> so the whole thing is pretty irrelevant for my personal life
Aug 24 17:40:26 <kerio> however, you can receive bitcoins and convert them into fiat money very quickly
Aug 24 17:40:31 <kerio> and you're mostly safe
Aug 24 17:40:38 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: well you could buy like 10€ of bitcoins
Aug 24 17:40:48 <DocScrutinizer05> wouldn't know how
Aug 24 17:40:51 <DocScrutinizer05> and why
Aug 24 17:40:52 <kerio> and then track how much you're losing or gaining
Aug 24 17:40:55 <DocScrutinizer05> tbh
Aug 24 17:40:57 <kerio> idk man
Aug 24 17:41:02 <kerio> to have the money of the future in your hands
Aug 24 17:41:10 <DocScrutinizer05> fsckit
Aug 24 17:41:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I got real work to accomplish
Aug 24 17:41:54 <DocScrutinizer05> can't afford learning for days and weeks how to handle that BTC mess
Aug 24 17:42:11 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: https://www.reddit.com/r/sorryforyourloss
Aug 24 17:42:17 <kerio> (not actually about grieving)
Aug 24 17:42:18 <DocScrutinizer05> might be highly intriguing but... I got a TV
Aug 24 17:43:24 <DocScrutinizer05> the world rather changes from iPhones than from BTC, I'd guess
Aug 24 17:45:05 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: oh right btc are also used by ransomware script kids to receive ransoms
Aug 24 17:45:23 <DocScrutinizer05> so?
Aug 24 17:45:35 <DocScrutinizer05> you won't unlock your data even when you pay
Aug 24 17:45:47 <DocScrutinizer05> no reason top mess with BTC
Aug 24 17:45:52 <DocScrutinizer05> to*
Aug 24 17:45:56 <kerio> yes you will
Aug 24 17:46:03 <kerio> some even have live tech support
Aug 24 17:46:22 <kerio> it works BECAUSE you get your data back when you pay
Aug 24 17:46:41 <DocScrutinizer05> I heard the opposite
Aug 24 17:46:52 <kerio> you heard wrong
Aug 24 17:46:58 <DocScrutinizer05> and I won't test it X-P
Aug 24 17:47:00 <kerio> i mean, there's outliers
Aug 24 17:47:11 <kerio> there's one that just deletes your data and then asks for a ransom
Aug 24 17:47:18 <kerio> but there's also one that doesn't touch your data at all
Aug 24 17:47:25 <kerio> and just asks for money
Aug 24 17:47:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I rather bo into BTC to get me a M134D and tech them script kiddies
Aug 24 17:47:40 <kerio> "the point is, they robbed a bank with a telephone"
Aug 24 17:47:55 <kerio> btc are also good for laundering money
Aug 24 17:47:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I rather go into BTC to get me a M134D and teach them script kiddies
Aug 24 17:48:04 <kerio> buy bitcoins, anonymize bitcoins, sell bitcoins somewhere else
Aug 24 17:48:10 <buZz> 18:50:00 < DocScrutinizer05> 15z94ExNwDumtQgY9BWmudC4dwULfGHYDM  (this is one of your addresses) <-this one?
Aug 24 17:48:13 <buZz> woot
Aug 24 17:48:16 <buZz> 1moment
Aug 24 17:48:19 <DocScrutinizer05> so? I don't need all that shit
Aug 24 17:48:24 <kerio> don't send him cash
Aug 24 17:48:32 <kerio> he might've uninstalled that shit
Aug 24 17:48:58 <DocScrutinizer05> no, you didn't scare me enough yet
Aug 24 17:49:05 <buZz> f72f2f18598545012cbe68a01c04d80eca8d8b599f5470f55a562bb6399a2f9f
Aug 24 17:49:06 <buZz> :)
Aug 24 17:49:40 <kerio> omg ;o
Aug 24 17:49:42 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: you're rich!
Aug 24 17:49:50 <kerio> 7.40 USD richer at least
Aug 24 17:50:09 <kerio> no wait
Aug 24 17:50:13 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: the benefit, imho, of bitcoin, is having no third party requirement
Aug 24 17:50:24 <buZz> kerio: ~ 1 euro 
Aug 24 17:50:36 <kerio> ye it was the second output
Aug 24 17:50:41 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: 1 euro richer ;o
Aug 24 17:50:46 <kerio> buZz: whos the first output
Aug 24 17:50:47 <DocScrutinizer05> aha
Aug 24 17:50:52 <kerio> tell us ;3
Aug 24 17:51:28 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: so yea, he just sent you one euro
Aug 24 17:51:49 <kerio> and paid like 5c to send you one euro and someone else 6ish euro
Aug 24 17:51:49 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks
Aug 24 17:51:49 <buZz> kerio: change
Aug 24 17:52:03 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: MAYBE
Aug 24 17:52:12 <kerio> wait for the transaction to be confirmed
Aug 24 17:52:13 <kerio> https://blockchain.info/tx/f72f2f18598545012cbe68a01c04d80eca8d8b599f5470f55a562bb6399a2f9f
Aug 24 17:52:18 <buZz> i think you can buy stickers from bitstickers.net from that
Aug 24 17:52:42 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I got other tasks
Aug 24 17:52:46 <kerio> buy one that says "nokla"
Aug 24 17:53:05 <kerio> aww they're not custom stickers, lame
Aug 24 17:53:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm honestly not interested in that whole intricate shit
Aug 24 17:53:29 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: send me that euro! ;3
Aug 24 17:53:44 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: JUMP!
Aug 24 17:54:24 <sicelo> how do you relate bitcon to 'real' currency?
Aug 24 17:54:33 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Aug 24 17:54:37 <kerio> done
Aug 24 17:55:46 <sicelo> so to use bitcoin, that dongle thing is needed as well?
Aug 24 17:56:42 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: kerio suggested some weird freenode chan full of warnings, where it seems to me changing bitcoins to fiat money is a task like finding a new drug dealer
Aug 24 17:56:56 <DocScrutinizer05> MultiBit:
Aug 24 17:56:59 <sicelo> :p
Aug 24 17:57:02 <kerio> or you could use an exchange
Aug 24 17:57:11 <kerio> and hope that they don't steal your btc
Aug 24 17:57:13 <kerio> ;3
Aug 24 17:57:45 <DocScrutinizer05> MultiBit: <DocScrutinizer05> how friggin "useful"¡ http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/24/plasma-desktopvx2277.png
Aug 24 17:58:38 <DocScrutinizer05> it happens I'm NOT in "North america"
Aug 24 17:59:04 <kerio> Warning: Please be careful with your money. When sending funds to an exchange or other counterparty you are trusting that the operator will not abscond with your bitcoins and that the operator maintains secure systems that protect against internal or external theft. It is recommended that you obtain the real-world identity of the operator and ensure that sufficient recourse is available. Exchanging or storing significant funds with exchanges is not
Aug 24 17:59:04 <kerio>  recommended.
Aug 24 17:59:08 <DocScrutinizer05> and I wasted hours on a 40 useless dongles now
Aug 24 17:59:15 <kerio> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_real-time_trading_exchanges
Aug 24 17:59:22 <kerio> why "wasted"
Aug 24 17:59:24 <kerio> also which dongles are those
Aug 24 18:00:49 <DocScrutinizer05> "wasted" because the whole thing is useless for me
Aug 24 18:00:58 <kerio> holy SHIT level3 went down
Aug 24 18:01:21 <DocScrutinizer05> holy shit kerio what are you talking about?
Aug 24 18:02:03 <kerio> it's a tier 1 isp
Aug 24 18:02:25 <DocScrutinizer05> then that's why wpwrak went offline
Aug 24 18:02:45 <kerio> AS3356
Aug 24 18:03:05 <DocScrutinizer05> for 52s
Aug 24 18:03:52 <DocScrutinizer05> and infobot too?
Aug 24 18:04:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~botsnack
Aug 24 18:04:06 <infobot> thanks, DocScrutinizer05
Aug 24 18:04:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+uptime
Aug 24 18:04:16 <infobot> - Uptime for infobot -
Aug 24 18:04:17 <infobot> Now: 39m 4s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Aug 24 18:04:17 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Aug 24 18:04:18 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Aug 24 18:04:18 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Aug 24 18:26:40 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: thanks, payment arrived in Multibit wallet
Aug 24 20:14:08 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: \o
Aug 24 20:14:25 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: are you gonna buy an ice cream ;o
Aug 24 20:15:20 <DocScrutinizer05> wouldn't know how to
Aug 24 20:16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> it seems this MultiBit thing is convenient to manage BTC (receive, stash, send) but I hardly can see how to either convert BTC to fiat money or find a way to pay my ice cream with BTC
Aug 24 20:17:21 <kerio> by sending the btc to someone
Aug 24 20:17:28 <kerio> who has agreed to exchange it for services
Aug 24 20:17:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I also wouldn't want to stash more than a 50 mBTC in that thing
Aug 24 20:18:36 <kerio> well, your local wallet is 100% secure, isn't it
Aug 24 20:18:51 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I prefer to send real money, that's more convenient and way less restricting my option
Aug 24 20:19:06 <kerio> and that just about sums the issue with bitcoin
Aug 24 20:20:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and re "local wallet secure" I don't even have an idea if that thing is local, not to mention the stability of that BTC currency
Aug 24 20:20:59 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, I wasted way too much time into all that already
Aug 24 20:21:38 <DocScrutinizer05> for a pretty humble gain in experience and knowledge, and zilch improvement in my RL
Aug 24 20:22:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I could see a usecase for payments from US to EU, without the horrific fees for wire transfers. But then **only** if the amount arrives at my end as fiat money
Aug 24 20:26:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I seem to be the person with least BTC knowledge in the company, and all others so far failed to actually find a BTC processor that allows automatic (at least weekly) deposit of fiat money to a German bank account from inbound BTC transfers
Aug 24 20:28:21 <kerio> #notworth
Aug 24 20:28:21 <DocScrutinizer05> now I have a (private) wallet and could receive BTC, but still no idea how to convert those into fiat money at all. Not to think of *automatic conversion* at time of payment, so the customer actually can know the amount (*in USD / EUR*) they paid
Aug 24 20:28:46 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: if you have mucho bitcoin, maybe invest in a trezor (hardware wallet)
Aug 24 20:29:17 <DocScrutinizer05> shit please kill me if I ever "have mucho bitcoin"
Aug 24 20:29:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I already got plenty of options to make my life a misery
Aug 24 20:30:23 <DocScrutinizer05> don't need a wallet with "mucho BTC" on top
Aug 24 20:31:11 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: i'd buy it from you ;)
Aug 24 20:31:42 <DocScrutinizer05> couldn't we forget about that BTC stuff and use cowry instead?
Aug 24 20:31:49 <buZz> whats that
Aug 24 20:32:00 <buZz> Cowry or cowrie, plural cowries, is the common name for a group of small to large sea snails, marine gastropod molluscs in the family Cypraeidae, the cowries. The word cowry is also often used to refer only to the shells of these snails, which overall are often shaped more or less like an egg, except that they are rather flat on the underside.
Aug 24 20:32:05 <buZz> ?
Aug 24 20:32:27 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.igrooveradio.com/cowries-its-wonders-and-history/
Aug 24 20:33:20 <buZz> WHY DOES THIS LINK HAVE MUSIC
Aug 24 20:33:21 <buZz> HUUUU
Aug 24 20:33:37 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed, what an obscenity
Aug 24 20:33:48 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry
Aug 24 20:33:55 <buZz> ;(
Aug 24 20:34:05 <buZz> ok, some exchange unit i guess
Aug 24 20:34:21 <DocScrutinizer05> used as currency in china, it seems
Aug 24 20:34:24 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: maybe the lack of digital transferable ownership without third party
Aug 24 20:35:24 <DocScrutinizer05> let me check that new stuff my bank offers
Aug 24 20:41:36 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: if you need to tx it to euro , i can buy em back :P
Aug 24 21:04:38 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry no idea what you say
Aug 24 21:04:52 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.paydirekt.de/
Aug 24 21:07:17 <DocScrutinizer05> https://github.com/paydirekt
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