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Sep 06 09:53:06 <KotCzarny> umkay, as expected 'telephony functions are disabled'
Sep 06 09:53:26 <KotCzarny> and it booted with second screen
Sep 06 09:53:45 <KotCzarny> can i disable that 'telephony' popup somewhere?
Sep 06 09:54:11 <KotCzarny> ~cssu
Sep 06 09:54:12 <infobot> methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Sep 06 10:43:35 <KotCzarny> unkay. done.
Sep 06 11:29:36 <KotCzarny> hrm, seems that the lcd ribbon is damaged (but not the display--board ribbon)
Sep 06 11:29:41 <KotCzarny> unreplace'able
Sep 06 11:30:37 <KotCzarny> so, question remains, how to convince x server to start without display 
Sep 06 12:56:15 <zGrr> moin :)
Sep 06 14:47:50 <_maniac_> KotCzarny: I have n900 with display ribbon damaged too and was able to run X on it. I don't remember exact fb settings, will tell you in some 6 hours.
Sep 06 14:49:18 <_maniac_> I use that phone solely as a charging station for my main n900 battery ;)
Sep 06 15:34:41 <KotCzarny> _maniac_: that would be great!, also, would enable one to reappropriate n900 as a oscp headless server/player ;)
Sep 06 15:34:53 <KotCzarny> (the one without modem/lcd)
Sep 06 15:38:01 <_maniac_> I am thinking of turning it into a youtube player connected to old CRT tv.
Sep 06 15:38:47 <bencoh> right, I guess you wont notice the bad video quality and/or tearing there :D
Sep 06 15:39:00 <bencoh> (actually you'll probably still notice the tearing, maybe even more)
Sep 06 15:39:39 <_maniac_> I have no idea, never tried tv-out on that thing. I bought trrs jack just last week.
Sep 06 15:39:47 <KotCzarny> tvout works
Sep 06 15:39:50 <bencoh> yeah, I meant cutetube's artifacts
Sep 06 15:39:50 <KotCzarny> that's for sure
Sep 06 15:40:04 <KotCzarny> but picture quality is.. well, crt like ;)
Sep 06 15:40:04 <bencoh> _maniac_: how are you going to interact with the UI btw?
Sep 06 15:40:32 <KotCzarny> maybe ts still work on his device
Sep 06 15:40:53 <KotCzarny> then one could draw kb/buttons with marker on the screen ;)
Sep 06 15:41:14 <bencoh> yeah but pointing on a TS with no display is ... uneasy
Sep 06 15:41:46 <_maniac_> ssh + vnc
Sep 06 15:42:11 <_maniac_> I want to make a clean install of maemo for a long time, but I will lose any connectivty to this device then.
Sep 06 15:49:38 <_maniac_> iirc, all I did was set proper resolution and bit depth with fbset right before X server start in some init file
Sep 06 15:51:43 <KotCzarny> _maniac_: check file dates in /etc
Sep 06 15:54:34 <_maniac_> yeah that would work. but I didn't set up port forwarding to that device (and I even don't remember whether it is plugged in right now).
Sep 06 15:54:57 <KotCzarny> dont have any ssh server at home?
Sep 06 16:01:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I just checked: you need to start up N900 with AV unplugged, you may plug in AV as soon as shaking hands audio starts. However I seem to recall when I had a broken flex cable on my N900 not even the AV output worked anymore
Sep 06 16:03:07 <KotCzarny> av output worked, but was set to 1px height
Sep 06 16:03:09 <KotCzarny> he he
Sep 06 16:03:51 <DocScrutinizer05> when flashing a new rootfs you're pretty much doomed when neither LCD nor AV out are working and you can't even log in via ssh, maybe not even create touch events from the digitizer
Sep 06 16:03:52 <KotCzarny> _maniac_: if your method works, it would mean i can drive the tv with it, woo
Sep 06 16:04:25 <DocScrutinizer05> your only chance: create a custom fiasco image that already has the needed stuff installed and enabled
Sep 06 16:06:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I honestly have no faintest idea how a broken flex cable could impair the (basically unrelated) AV video output, but for me it did
Sep 06 16:06:47 <_maniac_> I was thinking of plugging working display from my phone and doing clean install
Sep 06 16:07:05 <DocScrutinizer05> that should work :-9
Sep 06 16:07:10 <_maniac_> btw - that 1 pixel issue - that's what I was having and that's why I needed to set proper resolution with fbset
Sep 06 16:07:10 <DocScrutinizer05> :-) even
Sep 06 16:07:13 <KotCzarny> yes, that works
Sep 06 16:07:20 <KotCzarny> (switching displays)
Sep 06 16:07:27 <KotCzarny> because that's how i flashed mine
Sep 06 16:08:02 <KotCzarny> _maniac_: but did it boot without av cable too?
Sep 06 16:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm yeah, maybe something along video hardware init fails when the communication to LCD controller is broken, so it doesn't even try to config the video-out framebuffer correctly
Sep 06 16:08:46 <DocScrutinizer05> I had a green flatline, either vertically or horizontally in the middle of the screen
Sep 06 16:09:40 <_maniac_> I don't have AV cable (yet). I am going to build one this evening (vaguely european tz) if I won't be too exhausted from arguing with my servers.
Sep 06 16:09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> would be damn interesting to read console log aka dmesg from a boot with broken/missing LCD
Sep 06 16:10:31 <KotCzarny> doc, is n900's debug uart plain 3.3v or 5v ?
Sep 06 16:10:39 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, building AV cable is simple, though not worth it when ready made ones cost 3 bucks
Sep 06 16:11:19 <DocScrutinizer05> however when getting a ready made one watch out to get the variant with GND=sleeve
Sep 06 16:11:30 <_maniac_> but I (should) have spare RCA connectors and I already bought trrs jack
Sep 06 16:11:41 <_maniac_> s/have/have enough/
Sep 06 16:11:41 <infobot> _maniac_ meant: but I (should) have enough spare RCA connectors and I already bought trrs jack
Sep 06 16:11:46 <DocScrutinizer05> not the fuckedup AHS variant with GND=1st-ring from nottom
Sep 06 16:11:51 <DocScrutinizer05> bottom
Sep 06 16:12:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ok
Sep 06 16:12:23 <DocScrutinizer05> GND/sleeve = bottom of TRRS
Sep 06 16:12:23 <_maniac_> pinouts.ru is pretty helpful in that matter. that site and a multimeter.
Sep 06 16:12:35 <DocScrutinizer05> Video = ring next to bottom
Sep 06 16:12:45 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Sep 06 16:14:07 <DocScrutinizer05> http://pinoutsguide.com/CellularPhones-Nokia/se_im700_nokia_ca-75u_pinout.shtml
Sep 06 16:14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> and yet that's wrong: left and right swapped
Sep 06 16:15:13 <DocScrutinizer05> (I think)
Sep 06 16:16:55 <_maniac_> http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_n95_tvout_pinout.shtml this one lists tip as left 
Sep 06 16:18:50 <DocScrutinizer05> which is correct according to my keysight and a CA75 cable
Sep 06 16:19:07 <DocScrutinizer05> and my notion about what means white and red plug
Sep 06 16:21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> counting tip to sleeve: left:1 right:2 video/mic:3 GND:4
Sep 06 16:21:33 <DocScrutinizer05> left=white, right=red, mic/video=yellow
Sep 06 16:38:00 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.omtp.org/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf
Sep 06 17:01:45 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.ebay.com/gds/Headset-standards-OMTP-or-CTIA-/10000000176335062/g.html is pretty good except they call GROUND "signaling" which is complete bullshit
Sep 06 18:08:11 <sicelo> silly question - how does one update the profile on maemo.org? (not tmo)
Sep 06 18:35:00 <KotCzarny> they are magically linked
Sep 06 18:35:52 <KotCzarny> ie. it gets data from garage.maemo.org
Sep 06 18:36:01 <KotCzarny> and other subsites
Sep 06 18:39:00 <KotCzarny> User update FAILED
Sep 06 18:39:07 <KotCzarny> hehe,but magic faild sometimes
Sep 06 18:47:29 <stryngs> Howdy =)
Sep 06 18:51:48 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences
Sep 06 18:53:37 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ maybe
Sep 06 18:54:52 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: please check if you can access the latter!
Sep 06 18:55:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't tell if it's maybe only available to admins (like me)
Sep 06 18:55:42 <DocScrutinizer05> during migration a lot went south with groups and permissions in midgard
Sep 06 18:57:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/09/06/plasma-desktopxg2309.png
Sep 06 19:01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> note that still we have three separate systems (maemo, wiki.maemo, bugs.maemo) aside of talk.maemo which is even more separate
Sep 06 20:25:49 <sicelo> thanks DocScrutinizer05 http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ ... wonder why i don't see it linked anywhere :/
Sep 06 20:26:24 <DocScrutinizer05> it's "linked" in that edit toolbar that hovers *anywhere* on your page... or not
Sep 06 20:32:30 <sicelo> http://picpaste.com/maemo.png
Sep 06 20:32:45 <sicelo> i know i've edited it before
Sep 06 20:52:05 <sicelo> don't have that floating thing :-/
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