**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 19 02:59:59 2016 Sep 19 04:42:17 ShadowJK: in allwinner socs, openrisc core is independent one that presumably was meant to control cpu/temp/sleep&wake functions etc Sep 19 04:42:33 its a nice idea, but requires someone to actually implement it Sep 19 04:43:49 powering down every clock and just leaving essentials needed to wakeup is very good idea for portable/mobile uses Sep 19 05:47:52 how can I try to find out why I'm recievng mms but can't send them? Sep 19 05:48:51 it's fmms 1.3.5 Sep 19 05:49:39 and the settings are right, I can send one to myself Sep 19 06:39:46 One question: Nokia's default maps on Maemo 5 do not seem to know any streets, try to download data but get none. Where does it seek the data, and where is said data available if at all? Nokia's map-providing server-service for N900 is either down or moved to Microsoft, maybe? Sep 19 06:49:57 online Sep 19 06:50:23 i mean afair, it didnt have any search functions and relied on online feedback Sep 19 06:58:28 yes. You can't make offline searches in nokia maps Sep 19 08:15:28 how do I try to diagnose why my phone isn't sending mms Sep 19 08:15:41 I can send one to myself, but nobody else Sep 19 08:15:54 the settings are right. the version is 1.3.5 Sep 19 10:02:58 >mms Sep 19 10:03:01 >2016 Sep 19 10:03:06 o____O Sep 19 10:03:45 alex: not everyone is on some shitbook to see shared pics, sometimes you just want to send photo to family etc Sep 19 10:04:01 my family wouldn't know what the fuck to do with a mms Sep 19 10:04:12 mms is dead Sep 19 10:06:00 "yes let's do email in a way that makes customers pay us top money and has severe compatibility issues" Sep 19 10:07:05 kerio, most phones come configured with mms readily, so one wouldnt have to do anything other than receiving message, and thats the whole point Sep 19 10:08:43 email is for text, not photos Sep 19 10:09:17 mms should die in a fire :P Sep 19 10:09:22 mms and all it's limits Sep 19 10:09:34 internet is cheaper anyways Sep 19 10:10:19 again, not everyone is a geek, and unless there is a standard to send/receive pics in a quick and easy way, its better (with all its quirks and limitations) Sep 19 10:10:37 :/ Sep 19 10:12:07 and mind you, if you wanted new way to share images peer2peer it cant get any easier (because its implemented in almost any phone since years) Sep 19 10:13:10 to the point that my home network sends me http links so i dont have to use gsm bandwidth (assuming wifi is available) Sep 19 10:13:50 sure..my grandma knows what's a link xD Sep 19 10:16:07 :) Sep 19 10:19:42 /59/59 Sep 19 10:19:44 woops Sep 19 10:53:11 yeah Sep 19 10:53:12 like Sep 19 10:53:13 girls Sep 19 10:53:14 family Sep 19 10:53:25 every single person who has a phone, and isn't at a computer all day Sep 19 10:53:56 sending mms is PRETTY common Sep 19 11:15:18 moin Sep 19 11:24:50 Oksana: just do a search .. afaik the map data is still available .. some sites link to the actual zip files. Sep 19 11:25:33 or, if you have access to windows computer, use Ovi suite ... always works Sep 19 11:31:52 sicelo, does it contain street addresses ? Sep 19 11:31:58 KotCzarny: there is a "standard" for transfer of picture now, :p Sep 19 11:31:59 or allows searching? Sep 19 11:32:01 whatsapp Sep 19 11:32:10 WA isnt popular here Sep 19 11:32:14 never heard about it Sep 19 11:32:40 also, standard which isnt open is.. you know :P Sep 19 11:32:49 not a standard ;) Sep 19 11:33:53 street addresses .. yes .. the zoom detail is good enough. as Vajb said, we never had offline search. only have offline routing Sep 19 11:34:20 how do you know routing if you dont know where the destination is? Sep 19 11:34:27 sicelo: a non-standard :) Sep 19 11:34:34 :P Sep 19 11:35:03 taht is ... routes between two points you select Sep 19 11:35:52 which means they have a routing info database but no POI / names Sep 19 11:37:01 we have POI too Sep 19 11:37:40 some who poked in it found that we were going to have search as well .. but probably time constraints caught us Sep 19 11:37:52 hm? Sep 19 11:37:57 too slow? Sep 19 11:38:13 ah, you mean it never was implemented Sep 19 11:39:00 the latter, yes. even voice guidance .. but some bits were actually there Sep 19 11:39:46 I dont really understand why would anyone want to stick with this thin Sep 19 11:40:02 thing*. outdated data, unfinished application, closed-source Sep 19 11:40:22 btw, i use nokia Maps exclusively .. in my part of the world N900 maps are more accurate than googlems, even today Sep 19 11:40:31 we already have modrana/marble ... Sep 19 11:41:36 has difficult learning curve :( Sep 19 11:42:58 there's OM Voice server for Nomkia Maps ... implements the voice navigation, and some crude search mechanism .. Sep 19 11:43:25 not search in the true sense, but more like favorites Sep 19 11:44:34 sicelo: seriously? :/ Sep 19 11:44:56 huh? Sep 19 11:45:07 learning curve Sep 19 11:46:06 yes. it is difficult for someone who only uses maps once in a while and who absolutely needs offline map data Sep 19 11:46:45 therems something about zoom levels, having to browse the areas beforehand, etc. Sep 19 11:47:22 I dont really see how it is difficult, but ... fine Sep 19 11:47:48 bencoh, write a wiki guide? and use sicelo as a 'regular user/tester' ? ;) Sep 19 11:47:55 imm not saying it's bad ... just doesn't seem to be that easy for me ... anyway, the bigger issue is - accuracy. modrana/marble aren't solving that, and it is not their fault Sep 19 11:49:46 OSM obviously doesn't hav a lot of data because they depend on community, google seems only interested in the mbig' cities Sep 19 11:49:48 sicelo: openstreetmap data might use an update as well I suppose Sep 19 11:50:03 yes, Sep 19 11:51:50 NM has its place. :f) Sep 19 11:52:12 do we still have a way on N900 to contirbute to OSM? Sep 19 11:53:09 (i'll test modrana again sometime soon) Sep 19 11:54:20 dunno if it still works Sep 19 11:54:32 (my typing is so bad today .. Fn keys tricky on xterm/N900) Sep 19 11:54:55 bencoh: modrana or osm client? Sep 19 11:55:27 i think modrana should work .. seems still maintained Sep 19 11:55:41 sicelo: osm client Sep 19 11:55:55 modrana and marble both work fine, and yeah, modrana is still maintained Sep 19 11:57:16 okay Sep 19 13:37:13 Hello all. Sep 19 13:40:02 I was wondering if it was possible to display non-standard emoticons in n900 SMS client? I've applied the patch that stops them from dissappearing into the ether but I'm just seeing the little rectangles. Sep 19 14:17:08 martinux: are you talking about the emoji fix? Sep 19 14:17:41 iirc there is a font as well (not too sure about it though, haven't played with that for a while) Sep 19 14:18:07 I believe so. The fix works - in that messages no longer dissappear but I'm not seeing the emoji despite installing the deb. Sep 19 14:21:15 tbh I'm not absolutely certain I see those, but I somehow think I do (I kinda remember seeing a strange one that I wasn't used to) Sep 19 14:25:10 martinux: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1502603&postcount=35 Sep 19 14:25:22 Thanks, I'll have a read. :) Sep 19 14:33:20 hm, http://thp.io/2014/emojifix/ disappeared Sep 19 14:33:23 I wonder why .... Sep 19 15:03:10 Great success! Found a working link to the emoticons. Sep 19 15:03:43 Also, greater success! They are now showing up in the SMS messages I've recieved. Sep 19 15:03:52 Many thanks, bencoh. Sep 19 15:04:12 yw Sep 19 16:23:16 thp has updated his website by the looks of it, I imagine there's a github link somewhere Sep 19 16:23:30 thp? Sep 19 16:28:33 thomas perl Sep 19 16:30:43 sixwheeledbeast: github repository is still around yeah Sep 19 16:32:19 https://github.com/harmattan/emojifix Sep 19 17:53:59 Not maemo related, but can anyone tell me if a wifi router (not modem/router) designed for cable/fibre, will work with adsl? Sep 19 18:13:15 vectis3: any router will work if your modem has ethernet/wifi Sep 19 18:13:48 unless specifically locked (but those are rare) Sep 19 18:14:16 i assume you already have modem provided and just want to add more device in internal network Sep 19 18:18:55 I have an adsl modem with a seperate switch. I have bought a Linksys e900 that was simply advertised as a 'wifi router' but the packaging says its for cable/fibre modems. I can't get it to work with my modem :( Sep 19 18:19:17 i think you will have to configure it properly Sep 19 18:19:41 most likely it tries to route everything through wan instead of showing your modem as a route Sep 19 18:20:04 but its up to you to configure your network properly Sep 19 18:21:41 hmm, just to add to the problem, the first thing I did was to install dd-wrt firmware. Sep 19 18:22:09 and you connect it to your modem via ethernet cable? Sep 19 18:22:18 yes Sep 19 18:22:45 then: 1/ disable dhcp on your router, 2/ dont connect anything to wan port on router (all goes into switch/wifi) Sep 19 18:23:12 OR: Sep 19 18:23:40 leave defaults and: modem -- route(wan) -- your network devices Sep 19 18:24:14 s/route/router/ Sep 19 18:24:14 KotCzarny meant: leave defaults and: modem -- router(wan) -- your network devices Sep 19 18:25:06 ok, I'll try some more. Thanks for advice. Sep 19 18:25:25 you just have to plan it out Sep 19 18:25:37 and decide what config you want Sep 19 20:41:34 vectis3: maybe you could try a Tplink W8970 v1 or Bt Home Hub 5a + LEDE Sep 19 20:47:48 <_maniac_> just curious, is LEDE better enough to try it? Sep 19 22:25:55 ok, it's now working. Now to figure out openvpn settings. Sep 19 22:41:44 _maniac_: better? it works great . Sep 19 22:56:25 <_maniac_> yeah, but openwrt works well enough for me. Sep 19 22:58:19 <_maniac_> ok, not maybe well enough - I had to build some packages for my router by my own **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 20 02:59:58 2016