**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 06 03:00:00 2016 Nov 06 07:59:32 hi Nov 06 07:59:42 uhllo Nov 06 08:08:56 65 Nov 06 08:09:02 err. hey :) Nov 06 08:15:14 No closer to getting gtfs2db working :( Nov 06 08:19:05 it compiles but produces no output Nov 06 08:19:25 debug every stage of the lib Nov 06 08:19:37 and find where it breaks Nov 06 08:33:46 that isn't helping, I cant seem to get gdb to run it for some reason (and yes I built the binary with -g) Nov 06 08:34:03 im talking about printf() type debugging Nov 06 08:38:38 I dont know enough about what the code is doing to understand where to go with that :( Nov 06 08:39:10 start with grabber/parser Nov 06 08:39:20 to see if it gets the data Nov 06 08:39:35 might be that some syntax error make it fail Nov 06 08:39:42 maybe it gets 404 from the server even? Nov 06 08:39:46 or some redirect page Nov 06 08:46:07 its not doing any file downloads Nov 06 08:46:33 its supposed to take a zip file with gtfs data in it and convert it to a sqlite db Nov 06 08:46:42 but it isn't doing that, it creates the db just fine Nov 06 08:46:48 but it doesn't put any records in it Nov 06 08:47:43 it just says "0 agencies added" ,"0 service schedules added" ,"0 service exceptions added", "0 routes added", "0 stops added", "0 trips added" and "0 stop times added" Nov 06 08:57:39 then as i said, check if it loads files fine, and what parser gets/outputs Nov 06 08:59:26 also check if you can enable some internal debug, many packages/libs have such thing Nov 06 09:14:37 there is no internal debugs and I cant understand what the code is doing enough to be able to add printfs anywhere to debug it Nov 06 09:14:45 So I am stuck :( Nov 06 09:15:39 dont give up, analyze Nov 06 09:18:28 start with main, then just follow functions Nov 06 09:31:49 strace? Nov 06 09:32:00 nah, its about data parsing Nov 06 09:32:05 k Nov 06 10:04:10 silly question - with functional/procedural programming on one side, and object oriented on the other, how do you decide which method is better for a specific project? Nov 06 10:04:22 user skills Nov 06 10:04:34 and maybe frameworks used Nov 06 10:05:06 readability important? Nov 06 10:06:26 all the objects are now called obyek_### and even forward declared :) Nov 06 10:06:49 personally, I think its silly to compare which "paradigm" is "better" Nov 06 10:06:51 :) Nov 06 10:08:07 oo tends to be easier to use if done right (documentation important) Nov 06 10:08:20 jon_y: yes i agree .. my question was more on - how do you decide which one you will use at a specific time Nov 06 10:08:40 i mostly do c Nov 06 10:08:48 me too Nov 06 10:09:01 object oriented C is possible with some discipline Nov 06 10:09:31 I've been bitten by C++ operator overloading, so I'm biased against C++ Nov 06 10:10:04 object-oriented C <3 Nov 06 10:10:17 Java is alright, but is still missing unsigned integers Nov 06 10:10:30 java doesn't pretend to be C compatible Nov 06 10:10:31 java is heavy on low memory systems :/ Nov 06 10:10:55 so is C++ if you abuse the template system Nov 06 10:11:07 indeed Nov 06 10:11:19 java is always heavy though ;) Nov 06 10:11:23 :) Nov 06 10:11:41 yeah I don't like java gc Nov 06 10:11:47 ;) Nov 06 10:11:49 it really needs malloc/free :) Nov 06 10:12:18 bencoh, if arm ever decided to promote java in cpus and made some easy to use sdks Nov 06 10:12:33 run bytecode directly? Nov 06 10:12:42 there is something called jazelle Nov 06 10:12:52 cat /proc/cpuingo Nov 06 10:12:57 cat /proc/cpuinfo Nov 06 10:13:03 and then suddenly, the next java version is out :) Nov 06 10:13:08 :) Nov 06 10:13:09 KotCzarny: there is something indeed Nov 06 10:13:45 A Jazelle-aware Java Virtual Machine (JVM) will attempt to run Java bytecodes in hardware, while returning to the software for more complicated, or lesser-used bytecode operations. ARM claims that approximately 95% of bytecode in typical program usage ends up being directly processed in the hardware. Nov 06 10:13:48 and it's actually in use in part of the industry (think "security") Nov 06 10:14:16 so, 'new java version' could be mitigated to some extent Nov 06 10:14:32 all those trust/sim cards/modules run "security" java applets Nov 06 10:14:35 but there would need to be some open source jvm available to use it Nov 06 10:15:44 they've decided to go capitalist route though, so no banana Nov 06 10:16:03 Last I heard ARM went to great lengths to keep Jazelle details secret Nov 06 10:16:17 I wonder what the "Communist" route is Nov 06 10:16:22 huhu Nov 06 10:16:25 opensource Nov 06 10:16:26 ;) Nov 06 10:16:29 no Nov 06 10:16:39 dont confuse communist with socialist Nov 06 10:16:44 OSS is not communist, it lacks the central planning committee Nov 06 10:16:57 all JVM instances are owned by the state, it makes all policies :) Nov 06 10:17:09 jon_y, that's socialist Nov 06 10:17:27 oh? Nov 06 10:17:38 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism Nov 06 10:17:57 socialist was the soviet implementation of communism Nov 06 10:18:01 *socialism Nov 06 10:18:24 so what is "Communism"? Nov 06 10:18:38 socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state Nov 06 10:18:51 no state, no classes, so no central comitee Nov 06 10:19:07 who enforces such common ownership? Nov 06 10:19:14 in practice people are egoistic, which required central force to keep them in-line Nov 06 10:19:35 communism is an ideal system impossible to implement in pure fashion Nov 06 10:19:49 hence socialism I guess Nov 06 10:19:54 yup Nov 06 10:19:58 idea vs reality Nov 06 10:20:06 *ideal Nov 06 10:20:15 yup Nov 06 10:20:26 seriously? ... Nov 06 10:20:36 oh well, lets wait for the next wave :) Nov 06 10:20:46 remember, its about common owning of goods Nov 06 10:21:00 so, kinda open source Nov 06 10:21:10 i can take, use, and result has to be still open source Nov 06 10:21:30 well "Open Source" Nov 06 10:21:40 read-only license :) Nov 06 10:21:51 i might be thinking about gpl though when i write open source Nov 06 10:22:09 GPL is just one of the open source license Nov 06 10:22:24 there is also MS-PL I think Nov 06 10:22:27 from MS Nov 06 10:22:49 and then CDDL which doesn't want to play nice with GPL Nov 06 10:22:54 thing is, idea is for the code to be shared and usable by anyone on equal rights Nov 06 10:23:06 so no patents, no private code etc Nov 06 10:23:24 yeah that argument, I guess you don't like BSD huh :) Nov 06 10:23:34 i have nothing against bsd Nov 06 10:23:41 BSD vs GPL fight! Nov 06 10:23:54 and im not a communism advocate Nov 06 10:24:03 its just about communism vs socialism Nov 06 10:24:20 and people confusion Nov 06 10:24:20 there will always be the next wave, don't worry about it :) Nov 06 10:24:36 yup. orwell like Nov 06 10:24:53 we are at the point when everything is being tracked Nov 06 10:25:03 evertyhing being logged Nov 06 10:25:13 no more grey area (at least in theory) Nov 06 10:25:28 orwell's house has a CCTV placed in front of it :) Nov 06 10:25:48 got smartphone? smarttv? ;) Nov 06 10:25:56 smartcar(soon) ? Nov 06 10:26:05 speaking of smart cars Nov 06 10:26:11 do you think you will own the code that runs on them? Nov 06 10:26:24 I had an argument with my colleague at work about it Nov 06 10:26:43 he says self-driving cars should be mandatory Nov 06 10:26:47 people are getting more and more stupid and careless Nov 06 10:27:04 but that's only because we are allowing such types to have driving licences etc Nov 06 10:27:11 12:26 < KotCzarny> people are getting more and more stupid and careless Nov 06 10:27:13 is that so? Nov 06 10:27:21 "so, should smart cars allow people to do dangerous things like exiting the vehicle while it is moving?" Nov 06 10:27:27 "no" he said Nov 06 10:27:28 you really think people were less "careless" 50 years ago? :) Nov 06 10:27:28 bencoh: yup, emojis vs communication Nov 06 10:27:44 and then it formed the next GTA plot :) Nov 06 10:27:44 bencoh, nope Nov 06 10:27:46 (or less "stupid" for that matters) Nov 06 10:27:59 but they cared more Nov 06 10:28:07 imma use "smart self-driving cars" to kidnap people :) Nov 06 10:28:11 somehow human life was a bit more valuable Nov 06 10:28:17 dunno what they cared more about, but sure Nov 06 10:28:21 riiiight Nov 06 10:28:24 you can't exit the vehicle while its moving Nov 06 10:28:32 since that would be dangerous Nov 06 10:28:36 jon_y: failsafes. failsafes everywhere Nov 06 10:28:51 emergency breaks in trains for example? Nov 06 10:28:54 "failsafe has been removed due to potential abuse" Nov 06 10:29:00 it's solvable Nov 06 10:29:12 just has to have some punishment for abuse Nov 06 10:29:32 I dunno, the next iCar might be like an iPhone, it has a "go" button, thats it Nov 06 10:30:05 jon_y: so what would happen when someone splats gasoline on your icar and sets it on fire while you are driving? ;) Nov 06 10:30:13 yep Nov 06 10:30:47 DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO EXIT YOUR VEHICLE. EXCESSIVE EXTERNAL HEAT DETECTED. Nov 06 10:31:16 or have it attempt to drive into the sea locking the occupants in it :) Nov 06 10:31:28 dont worry, even if there would be accidents during beta testing (which could take many years) Nov 06 10:31:33 we will get there eventually Nov 06 10:32:09 but more than likely we will be dead long before ;) Nov 06 10:35:49 I wonder how those fancy self driving cars handle poor weather Nov 06 10:36:00 like those rains with 2m visibility Nov 06 10:36:01 sensors Nov 06 10:36:14 i would bet on slowing down Nov 06 10:36:29 IR works poorly in rains Nov 06 10:36:58 I wonder if radar still work Nov 06 11:00:34 radar most definatly works in rain and bad weather Nov 06 11:00:44 If it didn't airplanes wouldn't be using it Nov 06 11:00:55 and cops wouldn't be using it to catch speeding drivers Nov 06 11:06:44 jonwil: depends on the radar build Nov 06 11:06:57 CW radar gets funny in bad weather Nov 06 11:07:09 well if you were building radar for a car you would use the sort that would not fail in weather Nov 06 11:07:37 what about snow? Nov 06 11:07:38 ;) Nov 06 11:07:47 heh, car comes with a WW2 style mattress radar Nov 06 11:08:32 and comes with appropriate vacuum tube amps to survive EMPs Nov 06 11:09:01 yup, thunder weather could be funny Nov 06 11:09:02 :> Nov 06 11:09:09 unforunately, it needs a dedicated operator Nov 06 11:10:55 kerio: (why yerk, not yerg) a 'g' is ambiguous and prone to get pronounced like in end of "George" Nov 06 11:11:07 that's j Nov 06 11:11:38 get good Nov 06 11:15:24 English is about as bad as it gets when trying to find (undefined) character sequences with unambiguous pronounciation. alas I don't know any of the usual 'official' phoneme encodings Nov 06 11:20:01 https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jörg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/De-reisen.ogg + https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/De-Weber.ogg Nov 06 11:27:18 so here you are: [jœʁk] Nov 06 11:28:55 https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Deutsch/Lautschrift Nov 06 12:33:53 joe r.k. Nov 06 12:38:33 ohnoes Nov 06 12:39:09 I'm not Cho Arr Kay Nov 06 12:39:45 ~literal omap-oc Nov 06 12:39:46 "omap-oc" is "http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11" Nov 06 12:40:06 ~omap-oc is also http://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/156130 Nov 06 12:40:06 DocScrutinizer05: okay Nov 06 12:40:10 ~literal omap-oc Nov 06 12:40:10 "omap-oc" is "http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11, or http://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/156130" Nov 06 12:49:57 note that all those effects have some thresholds defined by physical constants (like the 3.2eV for a carrier needed to tunnel the band gap). so increasing clock may result in _very_ disproportional sudden increase of aging and damage Nov 06 12:52:13 and the effect on the transistor isn't sudden failure but increasingly running out of specs and thus eventually causing random malfunctions under certain conditions Nov 06 12:56:32 and again for all those suffering the TL;DR syndrome or ADHS: Hot Carrier Injection is caused by high frequency, _not_ high temperature Nov 06 13:44:35 microb keeps freezing for me Nov 06 13:44:38 unexpectedly Nov 06 13:44:53 you've got a virus Nov 06 13:45:12 even with just one window open and reading a text page, it suddenly locks up and stops responding to anything Nov 06 13:45:26 just kidding, did you try a reboot? Nov 06 13:45:27 maemo virus? Nov 06 13:45:37 yeah reboot works but i mean it keeps happening Nov 06 13:45:50 any suspicious extension? Nov 06 13:46:45 i think the dafault one? Nov 06 13:46:53 anything in dmesg? Nov 06 13:46:53 maemo geolocation 115, singe sign on for ovi Nov 06 13:47:10 uh, you know ovi exists no more? Nov 06 13:47:13 atlas plugin, default plugin, mediaplayer plugin, messagebus plugin, shockwave flash Nov 06 13:47:17 yeah i know Nov 06 13:47:22 its a default plugin i think Nov 06 13:47:26 uhum Nov 06 13:47:28 installs with a reflash Nov 06 13:47:34 anyway, anything unusual in dmesg? Nov 06 13:47:49 low on memory? badblocks? Nov 06 13:48:11 anything nonstandard about your installation? Nov 06 13:48:48 are those freezes temporary or you have to reboot? Nov 06 13:48:55 powerkernel, latest cssu ofc Nov 06 13:50:18 not sure if i see anything odd in dmesg Nov 06 13:50:41 i have to reboot Nov 06 13:50:44 well not always Nov 06 13:50:54 i can press the power button and force the application to close Nov 06 13:51:14 sometimes it works and maemo resumes, sometimes everything crashes, sometimes everything except desktop stops working Nov 06 13:52:31 do you have swap on sd card? Nov 06 13:52:57 eeew Nov 06 13:55:23 nope Nov 06 13:55:53 i would suspect badblocks in swap Nov 06 13:56:08 but too little data Nov 06 13:56:36 maybe you can do the readonly test ie. cat the partition into /dev/null and see if it completes Nov 06 13:57:19 but otoh it would happen in other applications too Nov 06 13:59:31 I wonder what happens if you port pciutils to maemo Nov 06 13:59:50 lspci probably doesn't show anything Nov 06 14:00:02 jon_y: yup. Nov 06 14:00:31 jon_y: marvel socs have pci, on those systems it's reasonable Nov 06 14:00:43 # lspci Nov 06 14:00:43 pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci Nov 06 14:00:43 lspci: Cannot find any working access method. Nov 06 14:00:49 (on my banana) Nov 06 14:01:08 how does ARM handle the PCI config space etc? Nov 06 14:01:14 just curious Nov 06 14:01:24 PCI as a platform device? Nov 06 14:01:39 there is BIOS ond ACPI MCFG on x86 Nov 06 14:01:48 i dont know such board, so hard to say, kernel source for marvels is available, you might check Nov 06 14:01:57 s/know/own/ Nov 06 14:01:57 KotCzarny meant: i dont own such board, so hard to say, kernel source for marvels is available, you might check Nov 06 14:02:32 ok, I think I strayed into atmel or such where it is a platform device Nov 06 14:02:55 some other driver loads first, reads the device tree, pass the base addresses to the PCI driver Nov 06 14:02:57 see clearfog or espessobin boards Nov 06 17:01:52 gregoa: hi! Nov 06 17:17:29 * gregoa waves at pali Nov 06 17:18:01 looks you are here :-) Nov 06 17:19:10 gregoa: about rt112231, module needs to be checked if MIME encoding function are used correctly and on correct places Nov 06 17:20:10 ok Nov 06 17:22:03 gregoa: if you are going to play with that Net-Jifty, look at (updated) documentation of MIME-Header: https://metacpan.org/pod/Encode::MIME::Header Nov 06 17:22:37 now there is documented what (last) version of MIME-Header is doing Nov 06 17:23:07 Pali: I'm not sure I care enough about net-jifty, to be honest. just thought I could fix a simple bug. Nov 06 17:23:31 ok Nov 06 17:23:42 and looks like it is not a simple bug :-) Nov 06 18:55:10 KotCzarny: x40 .. the one thing that's unfortunate is the graphics .. resolution a bit on the low side. by the way, what OS you run on yours? Nov 06 18:55:21 slackware Nov 06 18:56:08 as for resolution, if you have some diy skills and find proper display/lcd cable, you can have high res ips Nov 06 18:57:06 you're sure? the VGA port can't drive higher res, at least as far as i have seen Nov 06 18:58:32 you can set external resolution if you disable display cloning Nov 06 18:58:44 either via xrandr or fn-f7 Nov 06 18:58:53 but xrandr should be all you need Nov 06 18:59:16 i'll retry Nov 06 18:59:23 preferably via ssh Nov 06 19:05:18 hmm, cant find any x40 display swaps pages, maybe it was x60 Nov 06 19:05:46 why not a new macbook pro? :^) Nov 06 19:06:18 four 2160p screens plus the internal one Nov 06 19:06:32 nah, too easy Nov 06 19:06:34 also white. Nov 06 19:06:43 i prefer black slim laptops Nov 06 19:06:47 there's black Nov 06 19:07:00 black macbook? omg Nov 06 19:07:05 well Nov 06 19:07:06 KotCzarny: yay .. so maybe i had cable problems before. i'm getting higher res now Nov 06 19:07:07 space gray Nov 06 19:07:11 as opposed to silver Nov 06 19:07:26 sicelo: if you have display clone enabled max you can get is lcd's res Nov 06 19:07:30 not like the old black polycarbonate macbook :( Nov 06 19:07:35 naaah. too shiny. black. Nov 06 19:08:24 i had unchecked that ... i think the laptop couldn't detect the screen info. right now it even finds the name of the monitor Nov 06 19:10:27 KotCzarny: i really wish the new macbook had more than 16gb of ram :c Nov 06 19:11:37 kerio: buy two, problem solved ;) Nov 06 19:11:44 brilliant :o Nov 06 19:11:49 they can even charge each other i think Nov 06 19:11:58 more screen resolution too Nov 06 19:13:04 honestly the razer blade 17" is what the macbook pro should've been i think :< Nov 06 19:14:43 i treat my laptops as a console rather than workstation Nov 06 19:14:54 that's why x40 is perfect for it Nov 06 19:19:36 now i wonder what's the highest res it can support :) Nov 06 19:19:45 see xrandr output maybe Nov 06 19:20:23 or just connect fullhd monitor and see how high can it go Nov 06 19:27:57 if this is correct, the it's not bad at all, http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/346613-33-865g-mobo-intel-extreme-graphics-supporting-1366x768-resolution Nov 06 19:28:13 um .. wrong card :( Nov 06 19:28:17 x40 has i945 afair Nov 06 19:29:07 Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Nov 06 19:29:12 ahhum Nov 06 19:32:10 http://w0rst-hardware.blogspot.com/2008/02/make-1680x1050-and-1440x900-resolution.html Nov 06 19:32:28 that means at least 1680x1050 is possible Nov 06 19:33:40 and even 1920x1200 (from comments) Nov 06 19:38:26 https://support.lenovo.com/za/en/olddownloads/ds013898 ... 2048x1536 too, it seems. :) Nov 06 20:00:40 nice :o Nov 06 20:35:36 hi] Nov 06 20:38:27 Pali: why is that https://github.com/community-ssu/libdevlock-dev/blob/master/Makefile#L9 needed? Nov 06 20:38:32 jonwil: hi Nov 06 20:49:45 freemangordon: libdevlock.so is needed for -dev package Nov 06 20:49:51 and it should be in -dev package only Nov 06 20:50:10 Pali: ok, put devlocktool is linked against libdevlock.so.1 Nov 06 20:50:14 *but Nov 06 20:50:34 not against libdevlock.so Nov 06 20:50:36 when you use gcc's flag -l it looks for file lib.so Nov 06 20:50:45 I know Nov 06 20:51:02 but link name is getting from SONAME property of so file Nov 06 20:51:06 not from filename! Nov 06 20:51:23 ah, I see Nov 06 20:51:39 Pali: I REed libdevlock and now packaging it Nov 06 20:51:50 how should I set that SONAME? Nov 06 20:51:56 use readelf -d .so Nov 06 20:52:02 that will read content of so file Nov 06 20:52:11 ok, but how to set it in the makefile Nov 06 20:52:13 and you can see SONAME of that libtary Nov 06 20:52:32 if you want to set soname, you -soname parameter of ld Nov 06 20:52:38 of *ld* linker not compiler Nov 06 20:52:54 ok, thanks Nov 06 20:52:59 IIRC -Wl,-soname= should be passed to gcc Nov 06 20:53:06 -Wl as pass flag to linker Nov 06 20:53:07 thanks Nov 06 20:53:10 yeah Nov 06 20:53:18 but check some other Makefile in community-ssy Nov 06 20:53:20 *ssu Nov 06 20:53:27 some package should already use it Nov 06 20:53:31 ok Nov 06 20:54:06 codelockui Nov 06 20:54:25 it has full target flags for libcodelockui.so.1.0.0 Nov 06 20:55:51 freemangordon: or connui-conndlgs-wlan Nov 06 20:56:25 or osso-product-info Nov 06 20:56:29 Pali: no need, ^^^ linker falg works Nov 06 20:56:59 check those Makefiles and create similar Nov 06 22:00:20 Pali: https://github.com/community-ssu/libdevlock Nov 06 22:01:33 ok Nov 06 22:06:30 hehe, there is Report bugs to ... Nov 06 22:07:34 yeah :) Nov 06 22:09:15 can you build new version of maemo-security-certman? Nov 06 22:09:33 currently in git is update of CA certs, but not in any repo... Nov 06 22:09:36 freemangordon: libdevlock wont compile Nov 06 22:09:59 jonwil: why? Nov 06 22:10:03 gives warnings (which fail because of -Werror) Nov 06 22:10:10 libdevlock.c:68: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules Nov 06 22:10:17 libdevlock.c:138: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules Nov 06 22:11:08 which compiler is that? I tested it with both gcc 4.7 in SB and Debian 4.9.2-10? Nov 06 22:11:48 my GCC is 4.2.1 Nov 06 22:11:57 i.e. normal scratchbox one Nov 06 22:12:03 weird, lemme try there Nov 06 22:19:17 jonwil: fixed. Nov 06 22:19:31 jonwil: keep in mind this is compile-tested only Nov 06 22:19:49 KotCzarny: kerio: Apple sold at least one literally black Mac model, the Macintosh TV, even during the m68k Mac era. Nov 06 22:20:05 so there is a risk to lock your device ;) Nov 06 22:20:43 will preform some real testing tomorrow, hopefully Nov 06 22:20:56 ok Nov 06 22:43:58 Got any plans for further reverse engineering after libdevlock is finished? Nov 06 22:50:00 * Oksana sends thanks for REd libdevlock; hopefully, sometime in the future it will be possible to type numbers into devlock from hardware keyboard, which is especially useful when touch-screen fails. Nov 06 22:52:51 For that means finishing libcodelockui RE Nov 06 22:53:24 and also reverse engineering osso-systemui-devlock Nov 06 22:53:27 jonwil: iphbd, maybe Nov 06 22:54:20 and libcpdevicelock Nov 06 22:54:37 what is it? Nov 06 22:54:43 aah, control panel Nov 06 22:54:47 yeah Nov 06 22:55:17 actually you probably only need to finish libcodelockui RE to be able to use hwkbd to type into it Nov 06 23:16:14 I can see how redoing libdevlock is useful but whats the value in cloning iphbd? Nov 06 23:32:59 being able to build hildon in modern distros Nov 06 23:34:19 hmmm yeah good call Nov 06 23:35:42 is not codelockui already finished? Nov 06 23:36:06 seems no Nov 06 23:36:46 no its not Nov 06 23:37:01 I cloned part of it then Freemangordon did some things but there are still todos left Nov 06 23:37:11 todos that I was/am unable to do Nov 06 23:37:12 ok Nov 06 23:38:35 it would be great to rebuild maemo on modern debian... Nov 06 23:39:08 :nod: Nov 06 23:39:15 e.g. use core debian packages for system parts (like bash, openssh, libpng, ...) Nov 06 23:41:05 or devuan -- without systemd Nov 06 23:46:15 I am going to go through all the "open" packages (everything in "free" in the SDK plus anything on http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages that shows up green) and look at all their dependencies and then note down anything that they depend on that remains closed and build a list Nov 06 23:46:35 i.e. a list of all open packages that depend on closed ones and which closed packages they depend on Nov 07 01:02:07 Or not, doing that is too much work :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 07 02:59:59 2016