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Nov 24 13:05:00 <ANTI_> Mossad& psychiatry =   love !!!!!!!      All this mossad&psychiatry MUST be abolished.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 24 13:05:50 <KotCzarny> wtf.
Nov 24 13:19:38 <_maniac_> at least this one is more entertaining.
Nov 24 16:11:26 <Vajb> KotCzarny: oh lord of the commandline. Is there a command to delete empty directories?
Nov 24 16:11:43 <KotCzarny> rmdir or rm -rf
Nov 24 16:11:54 <KotCzarny> unless you search for ONLY empty dirs
Nov 24 16:12:30 <Vajb> yes i meant automated process
Nov 24 16:13:05 <Vajb> like if i have folder /music and i delete songs via rhythmbox, that leaves empty folder somewhere there
Nov 24 16:13:11 <KotCzarny> hmm, i wonder how would rm -rd behave
Nov 24 16:13:39 <Vajb> rm --help in maemo didn't help at all :)
Nov 24 16:14:10 <Vajb> i'll have to google it when i get on to it really
Nov 24 16:15:16 <KotCzarny> hmm
Nov 24 16:15:19 <KotCzarny> find . -type d -empty -delete
Nov 24 16:17:30 <KotCzarny> above works, but i wonder if maemo's crippled find will work
Nov 24 16:23:13 <slobber> Vajb: for ugh in *; do ls -A "$ugh" || rm -r $ugh; done
Nov 24 16:23:22 <slobber> untested though
Nov 24 16:23:27 <Vajb> doesn't matter because search will take place in my desktop
Nov 24 16:23:32 <KotCzarny> nah. that find command is short, elegant and simple to remember
Nov 24 16:23:42 <slobber> oh i didn't even notice that
Nov 24 16:23:44 <slobber> fuck me
Nov 24 16:23:49 <slobber> a+ KotCzarny 
Nov 24 16:24:00 <Vajb> thx for the command KotCzarny
Nov 24 16:24:05 <slobber> i've been working graveyard since 10pm, my head is in my ass
Nov 24 16:24:17 <Vajb> i'll add it to my "usefull commands" list
Nov 24 16:24:35 <KotCzarny> what's best it removes empty dirs bottom-up
Nov 24 16:25:06 <KotCzarny> so if there are only empty dirs in some dir it will remove it too
Nov 24 16:26:34 <Vajb> so it starts from deepest subfolder?
Nov 24 16:26:40 <KotCzarny> yup
Nov 24 16:26:47 <Vajb> cool, thx
Nov 24 16:41:12 <bencoh> Vajb: find . -type d -exec rmdir {} \;
Nov 24 16:41:16 <bencoh> ? :)
Nov 24 16:41:30 <bencoh> ah nevermind, -empty works too :)
Nov 24 17:21:15 <Wizzup> freemangordon: wrt gtk, is the target right now gtk3 porting right away?
Nov 24 17:21:36 <Wizzup> It may also be possible to have a/the maemo-patched gtk on devuan as well, as 'maemogtk' perhaps, to get things running, and then just ensure that all maemo stuff links against that lib
Nov 24 17:21:42 <Wizzup> Not sure if that'd be a real pita
Nov 24 17:21:56 <freemangordon> the target is gtk3
Nov 24 17:22:03 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 24 17:22:08 <Wizzup> (reading the tmo thread now)
Nov 24 17:22:12 <KotCzarny> fmg, why not gtk2?
Nov 24 17:22:19 <freemangordon> iirc we can;t compile maemo gtk, because of glib is too new
Nov 24 17:22:21 <KotCzarny> im not a big fan of gtk3
Nov 24 17:22:37 <freemangordon> neither am I, but...
Nov 24 17:23:08 <KotCzarny> gnome guys are on the downward spiral (systemd, udev, gtk3/gnome, etc)
Nov 24 17:23:20 <KotCzarny> s/udev/dbus/
Nov 24 17:23:21 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: gnome guys are on the downward spiral (systemd, dbus, gtk3/gnome, etc)
Nov 24 17:23:26 <KotCzarny> udev is actually not that bad
Nov 24 17:23:34 <Wizzup> well, I don't care about gtk2 or gtk3, I was just wondering what is easier
Nov 24 17:23:55 <Wizzup> If we have something running that just works well, then we can alwasys have someone port it back to gtk2 is they want, but it it seems that gtk3 does make life easier wrt touch
Nov 24 17:23:56 <KotCzarny> wizzup, most of maemo ui is written in gtk2, right?
Nov 24 17:23:57 <KotCzarny> ;)
Nov 24 17:24:14 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: I am really trying to figure out more low level stuff about maemo, but IDN. I think it's mostly gtk2
Nov 24 22:00:45 <rly> How can I start the fMMS application?
Nov 24 23:09:35 <Wizzup> has maemo ever nuked users?
Nov 24 23:09:39 <Wizzup> I can't log in with my old account
Nov 24 23:10:16 <KotCzarny> maybe something b0rked with the migration
Nov 24 23:10:26 <KotCzarny> i mean maintenance
Nov 24 23:10:27 <Wizzup> also can't recover since it says it doesn't know my account
Nov 24 23:10:32 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 24 23:10:35 <Wizzup> I'll wait, I guess
Nov 24 23:11:30 <KotCzarny> but you may ask xes for details
Nov 24 23:24:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tell Wizzup about down
Nov 24 23:25:16 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 24 23:25:21 <Wizzup> thanks
Nov 24 23:25:24 <Wizzup> this was about tmo, though
Nov 24 23:29:06 <DocScrutinizer05> tmo should work
Nov 24 23:29:23 <Wizzup> this is about tmo only
Nov 24 23:29:40 <Wizzup> but I need sleep first
Nov 24 23:29:41 <Wizzup> :)
Nov 24 23:29:45 <DocScrutinizer05> tmo is basically completely unentangled to maemo.org at large
Nov 25 01:04:55 <rapha> DocScrutinizer05: the N900s battery finally arrived and i'm playing around with it for real now. Unfortunately I lost the link to your wiki page about first things to do in a new Maemo installation, could you post that again?
Nov 25 01:06:17 <rapha> oh never mind the wiki is down :(
Nov 25 01:07:54 * rapha is already discovering that the best place to temporarily store the pen is in his mouth
Nov 25 01:08:22 <KotCzarny> dont forget to wash it periodically then
Nov 25 01:09:00 <KotCzarny> or maybe dissinfect in vodka?
Nov 25 01:09:25 <rapha> :)
Nov 25 01:09:40 <rapha> no alcohol for me but saliva is antiseptic, so no worries ;)
Nov 25 01:10:07 <KotCzarny> just saying. anyway, usually first thing to do is to install cssu
Nov 25 01:10:21 <KotCzarny> ~cssu
Nov 25 01:10:21 <infobot> cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Nov 25 01:10:22 <rapha> KotCzarny: is that possible with the maemo.org servers down?
Nov 25 01:10:40 <KotCzarny> repo should be online, and wiki is mirrored on web archive
Nov 25 01:10:58 * rapha tries
Nov 25 01:11:37 <KotCzarny> ahm, forgot, before cssu, reflash it
Nov 25 01:11:42 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Nov 25 01:11:42 <infobot> maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
Nov 25 01:11:51 <rapha> KotCzarny: it's freshly flashed.
Nov 25 01:12:02 <KotCzarny> by you or the seller?
Nov 25 01:12:08 <rapha> by me of course
Nov 25 01:12:16 <rapha> and it was a gift by my uncle
Nov 25 01:12:31 <rapha> had to revive it first with DocScrutinizer05's help
Nov 25 01:13:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tell rapha about jrtools
Nov 25 01:13:50 <rapha> hmm too bad our internet connection is sort of broken and doesn't load web.archive.org right now :(
Nov 25 01:13:52 <rapha> DocScrutinizer05: hi!
Nov 25 01:14:37 <rapha> ah perfect, that one it was!
Nov 25 01:14:47 <rapha> but doesn't load either :(
Nov 25 01:15:00 <rapha> i've already watched too much wireshark TV for today though
Nov 25 01:15:33 <KotCzarny> maybe try some proxy? load on some remote shell via lynx/links ?
Nov 25 01:15:54 <DocScrutinizer05> try https://web.archive.org/web/20161019054240/http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 25 01:16:37 <DocScrutinizer05> the forward is a stopgap bandaid
Nov 25 01:17:20 <rapha> nah we already tried everything. there was one device on the network that is apparently malware infected and i blocked that by MAC which made things a little better. but by and large, the router seems to be incapable of handling the traffic. around 6% packet loss minimum.
Nov 25 01:17:34 <rapha> new router is on its way...
Nov 25 01:17:45 <KotCzarny> you can try using pc as a router 
Nov 25 01:17:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ouch
Nov 25 01:18:02 <DocScrutinizer05> mind posting sorry
Nov 25 01:18:28 <DocScrutinizer05> mind posting your IP in a query?
Nov 25 01:18:44 <rapha> KotCzarny: if i had a pc, then i could :) 
Nov 25 01:18:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 25 01:19:03 <KotCzarny> another thing to try would be changing web browser timeouts
Nov 25 01:19:26 <rapha> DocScrutinizer05: as in, our public ip? you wanna see what is going in / coming out of it?
Nov 25 01:19:39 <DocScrutinizer05> after all a 6% packet loss might as wel be the connection
Nov 25 01:20:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd check external ping packet loss
Nov 25 01:20:04 <rapha> DocScrutinizer05: naw, when i go down to the basement and disconnect the router and go directly to upstream, all is well.
Nov 25 01:20:18 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh
Nov 25 01:20:20 <rapha> KotCzarny: how do i change /my/ timeout settings tho?
Nov 25 01:20:40 <DocScrutinizer05> pondered your router beeing routed (SCNR)
Nov 25 01:20:47 <rapha> SCNR?
Nov 25 01:20:50 <DocScrutinizer05> rooted even
Nov 25 01:20:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Sorry Could Bot resist
Nov 25 01:21:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Not
Nov 25 01:21:05 <rapha> lol
Nov 25 01:21:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wtf scnr
Nov 25 01:21:08 <infobot> SCNR: sorry, could not resist 
Nov 25 01:21:09 <rapha> :)
Nov 25 01:21:39 <rapha> it's a TP-Link R470T+ and it's a POS to use another acronym
Nov 25 01:21:51 <KotCzarny> hmm, https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/998088
Nov 25 01:22:09 <KotCzarny> 2014, but if its firefox go to about:config and type: timeout
Nov 25 01:22:14 <rapha> definitely not the right size for a house of 8 parties, 16 people, ~80 devices
Nov 25 01:22:34 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/11936/Tp-link.html
Nov 25 01:22:44 <rapha> KotCzarny: the browsers time out after, like, 5 minutes. as i said, my brain's timeout is much shorter.
Nov 25 01:22:53 <DocScrutinizer05> err yep
Nov 25 01:23:18 <rapha> DocScrutinizer05: good thing the tp-link is not directly reachable from the outside :)
Nov 25 01:23:23 <KotCzarny> rapha, you can also tether your computer to the phone ;)
Nov 25 01:23:28 <rapha> hhhhh
Nov 25 01:23:51 <DocScrutinizer05> rapha: but from inside, via a compromised device !!! :-o
Nov 25 01:24:02 <rapha> and suck up the rest of my 500 remaining MB for this month? i'll be in a train for 6 hours tomorrow and another 6 on sunday
Nov 25 01:24:22 <KotCzarny> or you can just go to sleep and wait for better time ;)
Nov 25 01:24:25 <rapha> DocScrutinizer05: hmm that would at least explain why the problem seems to be getting worse over time
Nov 25 01:24:28 <KotCzarny> cheers!
Nov 25 01:24:38 <rapha> KotCzarny: that sounds like the healthy choice :)
Nov 25 01:25:28 <rapha> hmm guys
Nov 25 01:25:38 <rapha> what's the N900's default password to use for sudo?
Nov 25 01:25:46 <DocScrutinizer05> none
Nov 25 01:26:06 <DocScrutinizer05> the command is "root"
Nov 25 01:26:33 <rapha> oh
Nov 25 01:26:34 <DocScrutinizer05> you need rootsh installed for that
Nov 25 01:26:36 <rapha> ah
Nov 25 01:26:42 <rapha> :(
Nov 25 01:27:05 <rapha> well, not like it had working apt repos anyways, plus it's in the same stupid wlan network
Nov 25 01:27:06 <DocScrutinizer05> why :( ?
Nov 25 01:27:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
Nov 25 01:27:54 <rapha> the sun will rise on more days
Nov 25 01:28:03 <rapha> (obama said something like this recently)
Nov 25 01:30:28 <rapha> anywho, g'night dear maemoers!
Nov 25 01:32:32 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/29553254 but that doesn't help you either, right? Sory then
Nov 25 01:34:13 <DocScrutinizer05> If I could find rootsh.deb I'd pastebin it for you, you should be able to click on it in browser and HAM will install it (possibly you need to first download it and then click on the local file URI)
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