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Dec 08 04:54:57 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: ((is *.maemo.org fully functional again?)) I'd think yes, if you refer to the hw/BIOS issue
Dec 08 06:35:54 <ulyaoth> hello
Dec 08 06:37:04 <Oksana> hi :-)
Dec 08 06:47:47 <ulyaoth> could i run c code compiled in windows intel x64 on the  armv7 cortex?
Dec 08 06:50:12 <MoeIcenowy> qemu + wine
Dec 08 06:50:15 <MoeIcenowy> + a lot of patience
Dec 08 06:50:45 <MoeIcenowy> ulyaoth: ^
Dec 08 06:52:49 <ulyaoth> could i do something to the source or change compilers or something? to produce a linux executable for this type of processors?
Dec 08 06:55:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ulyaoth: sure, compile for armel, not for x86
Dec 08 06:56:43 <KotCzarny> if you have the source, better to recompile
Dec 08 06:56:47 <KotCzarny> ~tabletsdev
Dec 08 06:56:48 <infobot> tabletsdev is, like, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
Dec 08 06:56:53 <DocScrutinizer05> you however will have a hard time running *windows* programs on maemo
Dec 08 06:56:57 <KotCzarny> last link for vm sdk
Dec 08 06:57:11 <KotCzarny> with binutils and compilers prepared
Dec 08 06:59:32 <MoeIcenowy> If the program uses Windows API, it will still be a disaster...
Dec 08 06:59:43 <KotCzarny> yup
Dec 08 06:59:54 <MoeIcenowy> although you can try arm version of wine
Dec 08 07:00:03 <KotCzarny> but with skills and patience it can be ported
Dec 08 07:00:36 <MoeIcenowy> wine come with a wrapped gcc, which supports compiling programs with Windows API and linked to wine's fakedlls
Dec 08 07:01:18 <MoeIcenowy> teamviewer's linux version uses this trick to reuse the codebase of the windows version
Dec 08 07:01:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ugh!
Dec 08 07:01:45 <DocScrutinizer05> not on maemo, I'm sure
Dec 08 07:01:50 <MoeIcenowy> but I think a wine is too heavy for a maemo ;-)
Dec 08 07:01:59 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Dec 08 07:02:38 <DocScrutinizer05> windows would be too heavy for N900 even without wine wrapper
Dec 08 07:03:02 <DocScrutinizer05> unless it's win98
Dec 08 07:03:44 <MoeIcenowy> just too heavy for maeno, not too heavy for N900
Dec 08 07:03:56 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
Dec 08 07:04:20 <MoeIcenowy> arm wine will cost hundreds of megabytes, which is not acceptable on maeno
Dec 08 07:04:22 <MoeIcenowy> maemo
Dec 08 07:04:40 <MoeIcenowy> but can still be used
Dec 08 07:04:42 <DocScrutinizer05> why do you think maemo can't handle 100s of MB? :-o
Dec 08 07:05:00 <MoeIcenowy> oh of course you can put it at /opt
Dec 08 07:05:09 <MoeIcenowy> a resized emmc maybe can fit this ;-)
Dec 08 07:05:27 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, that's HARDware, not software
Dec 08 07:05:56 <MoeIcenowy> is your windows program open-sourced?
Dec 08 07:06:07 <MoeIcenowy> and the most important problem, is it written in C?
Dec 08 07:06:16 <KotCzarny> or c++
Dec 08 07:06:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 08 07:06:30 <kerio> it doesn't have to be written in c
Dec 08 07:06:47 <DocScrutinizer05> >><ulyaoth> could i run **c** code..,<<
Dec 08 07:06:52 <KotCzarny> but best is to find an already linux based alternative
Dec 08 07:06:57 <MoeIcenowy> yes
Dec 08 07:06:58 <kerio> if it's C# you can use mono :^)
Dec 08 07:07:11 <KotCzarny> kerio: isnt mono horribly outdated?
Dec 08 07:07:16 <KotCzarny> especially mono for n900?
Dec 08 07:07:21 * DocScrutinizer05 slaps kerio with a large trout
Dec 08 07:07:23 <MoeIcenowy> but it may be interesting to try out a Notepad++ running on N900 ;-)
Dec 08 07:07:29 <kerio> and every language that doesn't run in a vm has C bindings anyway
Dec 08 07:09:08 <MoeIcenowy> as there's Notepad++ arm binaries, which is recompiled for jailbroken Surface RT
Dec 08 07:09:45 <KotCzarny> MoeIcenowy: go for it
Dec 08 07:09:57 <KotCzarny> then upload package to extras ;)
Dec 08 07:10:40 <kerio> KotCzarny: anything for n900 is horribly outdated, duh
Dec 08 07:10:48 <KotCzarny> nope. oscp isnt
Dec 08 07:10:49 <KotCzarny> :P
Dec 08 07:10:56 <kerio> ayy
Dec 08 07:11:00 <MoeIcenowy> at least many things for n900 is horribly outdated
Dec 08 07:11:03 <KotCzarny> uses latest libav and other libs
Dec 08 07:11:12 <MoeIcenowy> n900's openconnect cannot even connect to my ocserv ;-)
Dec 08 07:11:51 <MoeIcenowy> So I had never an effeicent way to break the Great FireWall of China on N900 ;-)
Dec 08 07:12:00 <DocScrutinizer05> heck, that "outdated" and "new release" fetishism always. Check out grep for example, guess when it been updated last time. Or cat, or date
Dec 08 07:12:55 <MoeIcenowy> oh can N900 be set to defaultly use some socks5 proxy?
Dec 08 07:13:09 <MoeIcenowy> if it can, it may be valuable to port a shadowsocks to it
Dec 08 07:13:28 <DocScrutinizer05> MoeIcenowy: maemo is linux
Dec 08 07:13:44 <MoeIcenowy> DocScrutinizer05: yes, so it has no proxifier ;-)
Dec 08 07:13:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and N900 runs maemo
Dec 08 07:13:57 <MoeIcenowy> and I'm not sure whether proxychains can work
Dec 08 07:14:13 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: re outdated - most of the times it is like how you say, however, we have few cases like ssl and similar
Dec 08 07:14:18 <KotCzarny> MoeIcenowy: biggest problem is probably outdated openssl with old certs/protocols
Dec 08 07:14:27 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: ack
Dec 08 07:14:30 <MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: yes
Dec 08 07:14:33 <KotCzarny> maybe you can recompile with statically linked updated openssl
Dec 08 07:14:45 <KotCzarny> (as a temporary measure)
Dec 08 07:14:48 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: why statically?
Dec 08 07:15:02 <KotCzarny> fmg: to not mess with the system?
Dec 08 07:15:08 <freemangordon> 0.9.8 and 1.x can coexist happily
Dec 08 07:15:10 <MoeIcenowy> I have never homebrewed any Maemo binarys
Dec 08 07:15:15 <KotCzarny> but if different versions can coexist, sure, go
Dec 08 07:15:27 <freemangordon> SONAME :)
Dec 08 07:15:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ~soname
Dec 08 07:15:40 <KotCzarny> i like LD_LIBRAR_PATH
Dec 08 07:15:46 <KotCzarny> i like LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Dec 08 07:15:53 <freemangordon> you don't need it for openssl afaik
Dec 08 07:15:53 <KotCzarny> shortens cmdline a bit
Dec 08 07:16:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~soname is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html
Dec 08 07:16:00 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Dec 08 07:17:06 <KotCzarny> but i guess new openssl would require some serious patching
Dec 08 07:17:17 <freemangordon> why?
Dec 08 07:17:36 <KotCzarny> because last time i've tried to compile openssl in sb it failed
Dec 08 07:17:47 <freemangordon> https://github.com/community-ssu/openssl/tree/master/debian/patches
Dec 08 07:18:35 <freemangordon> besides a couple of patches there, nothing else should be really needed
Dec 08 07:18:42 <KotCzarny> uhum
Dec 08 07:19:00 <freemangordon> your failure could be related to outdated gcc
Dec 08 07:19:02 <KotCzarny> then why we dont have maemo upgraded yet?
Dec 08 07:19:20 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: because nobody tries to do it
Dec 08 07:19:28 <KotCzarny> jonwil: !
Dec 08 07:19:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 08 07:19:44 <freemangordon> jonwil what? you think this is one man task?
Dec 08 07:20:12 <KotCzarny> you've said it shouldnt be a problem :)
Dec 08 07:20:26 <freemangordon> != "it is easy"
Dec 08 07:25:38 <DocScrutinizer05> upgrading ssl is a problem just for the closed blobs that are linked agianst libssl0.9.8
Dec 08 07:26:53 <bencoh> MoeIcenowy: does anything prevent openconnect from getting an update btw? (ssl maybe)
Dec 08 07:28:31 <MoeIcenowy> bencoh: I don't know
Dec 08 07:28:37 <MoeIcenowy> I only downloaded it from extras
Dec 08 07:28:40 <bencoh> freemangordon: so you suggest we should have both openssl and openssl1.x and rebuild all source packages depending on openssl?
Dec 08 07:28:54 <KotCzarny> bencoh, maybe the usual, someone has to do it?
Dec 08 07:28:57 <bencoh> (after changing depends/rdepends)
Dec 08 07:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: that's the obvious solution
Dec 08 07:29:11 <MoeIcenowy> but my ocserv is down now ;-)
Dec 08 07:29:21 <bencoh> KotCzarny: I wouldn't mind working a bit on that part
Dec 08 07:29:34 <MoeIcenowy> but openconnect is really something useful for serious works ;-)
Dec 08 07:30:09 <MoeIcenowy> the offical kernel of maemo come with tun/tap support, right?
Dec 08 07:30:30 <KotCzarny> first you have to get updated openssl into extras though
Dec 08 07:30:47 <DocScrutinizer05> MoeIcenowy: afaik yes. when not, get powerjernel
Dec 08 07:30:49 <KotCzarny> (or compile it at all)
Dec 08 07:30:52 <bencoh> MoeIcenowy: not sure about stock one. kernel-power sure does
Dec 08 07:30:53 <DocScrutinizer05> kernel*
Dec 08 07:31:07 <MoeIcenowy> can kernel-power coexist with u-boot?
Dec 08 07:31:15 <bencoh> MoeIcenowy: sure!
Dec 08 07:31:18 <DocScrutinizer05> it actually needs uboot
Dec 08 07:31:33 <bencoh> KotCzarny: the thing is cssu stuff would benefit from it as well
Dec 08 07:31:45 <bencoh> and we don't want to have cssu depend on extras
Dec 08 07:32:05 <MoeIcenowy> there's really no one working on getting shadowsocks work on N900...
Dec 08 07:32:24 <bencoh> neither did we want extras to depend on cssu thus far
Dec 08 07:32:26 <KotCzarny> bencoh, sure, its even better place, because would coerce users to move to cssu
Dec 08 07:32:27 <MoeIcenowy> maybe because shadowsocks is a program usually useful inside PRC ;-)
Dec 08 07:32:38 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: nothing wrong with providing libssl1x via both maemo-extras and CSSU
Dec 08 07:32:45 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: maybe
Dec 08 07:34:00 <bencoh> could be asolution indeed
Dec 08 07:34:32 <KotCzarny> still, you should have packages ready for submission
Dec 08 07:34:43 <KotCzarny> then you can worry where to submit
Dec 08 07:35:19 <bencoh> krkr
Dec 08 07:35:28 <DocScrutinizer05> the nice thing is even: you don't need to build it locally for CSSU when maemo-extras autobuilder can do that for you
Dec 08 07:35:32 <DocScrutinizer05> just copy
Dec 08 07:36:39 <DocScrutinizer05> or do we have an autobuilder for CSSU now?
Dec 08 07:36:48 <bencoh> we dont
Dec 08 07:36:55 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Dec 08 07:37:36 <DocScrutinizer05> so make a maemo-extras-devel  libssl1x and we can push it to maemo-extras in no time
Dec 08 07:39:24 <DocScrutinizer05> then just the git wizards do some include-blabla magic to import the package into CSSU whenever a package needs it
Dec 08 07:41:58 <DocScrutinizer05> s/import the package/import the SSL package/
Dec 08 07:41:58 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: then just the git wizards do some include-blabla magic to import the SSL package into CSSU whenever a package needs it
Dec 08 07:44:29 <DocScrutinizer05> look, libssl1x for sure isn't in the maemo-PR metapackage, so it's perfectly feasible to provide it via maemo-extras
Dec 08 07:44:56 <bencoh> yeah
Dec 08 07:47:25 <DocScrutinizer05> and actually I don't see much of a reason why CSSU can't or shouldn't depend on packages from maemo-extras. after all maemo-extras is enabled per default since IIRC PR1.2
Dec 08 07:48:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, we're not talking about extras-devel ;-)
Dec 08 07:50:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr12
Dec 08 07:50:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr1.2
Dec 08 07:50:49 <infobot> hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update
Dec 08 07:50:50 <sicelo> MoeIcenowy: i think for breaking through GFW, you can build openvpn with XOR patch. works good on N900
Dec 08 07:51:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr1.3
Dec 08 07:51:10 <infobot> i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update
Dec 08 07:51:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr1.4
Dec 08 07:51:16 <infobot> PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject
Dec 08 07:51:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr1.5
Dec 08 07:51:23 * infobot beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 53.8 times. "That's your PR1.5!"
Dec 08 07:52:45 <bencoh> :D
Dec 08 07:57:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr1.5
Dec 08 07:57:03 * infobot beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 54.9 times. "That's your PR1.5!"
Dec 08 07:57:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr1.5
Dec 08 07:57:20 * infobot beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 75.3 times. "That's your PR1.5!"
Dec 08 07:57:45 <DocScrutinizer05> consequent :-)
Dec 08 07:59:04 <DocScrutinizer05> rather consistent (sorry, false friend)
Dec 08 09:46:53 <sixwheeledbeast> ~pr1.3.1
Dec 08 09:46:54 <infobot> combined is, like, the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/
Dec 08 11:30:24 <n90043ww4> hello
Dec 08 11:32:03 <n90043ww4> hey does someone know if there is a hotspot app for maemo that does not need power kernel ?
Dec 08 13:28:54 <DocScrutinizer05> was in a hurry
Dec 08 15:01:10 <sicelo> answer for him would have been a No, right?
Dec 08 15:01:30 <sicelo> is there a hotspot application for Maemo that can do better than WEP?
Dec 08 15:02:08 <KotCzarny> i think the answer is no because there is no support for hostapd/master mode?
Dec 08 15:03:30 <sicelo> unfortunate
Dec 08 20:12:11 <gry> In the vm, osso-xterm is not in the repositories. Which application catalogue should I add?
Dec 08 21:18:37 <sixwheeledbeast> the vm? as in the sdk? you can't install xterm in the sdk IIRC
Dec 08 22:05:31 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: I guess you could add the x86 version of the nokia repo (or mirror)
Dec 09 00:54:00 <ulyaoth> yo
Dec 09 02:12:59 <ulyaoth> ugh i cant get the sdk virtual machine to boot -_- i get a blue screen every time
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