**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 13 03:00:01 2016 Dec 13 07:32:17 freemangordon: it still needs a full MCE... Dec 13 07:41:28 MoeIcenowy: so? Dec 13 07:41:49 https://github.com/fremantle-gtk3/mce Dec 13 07:42:41 freemangordon: hd-render-manager.c:3409:44: error: ‘HdRenderManagerPrivate {aka struct _HdRenderManagerPrivate}’ has no member named ‘zoomed’; did you mean ‘home’? Dec 13 07:43:23 MoeIcenowy: are you sure you pulled latest? Dec 13 07:43:39 I just recloned several minutes ago Dec 13 07:43:52 as I did clone && build just yesterday on the tablet Dec 13 07:45:36 you build on the tablet? Dec 13 07:46:24 yes, why not? Dec 13 07:46:29 I'm now building on PC Dec 13 07:47:20 I commented the error line out, and build passed Dec 13 07:47:32 just asking :). as long as someone else still tries crossbuilding it that's fine I guess :) Dec 13 07:48:38 MoeIcenowy: hmm, I see, I guess you didn't disable glib cast checks etc Dec 13 07:49:00 I think it's not about cast check... Dec 13 07:49:13 the struct just has no such member... Dec 13 07:49:23 whatever it is to disable g_return_if_fail Dec 13 07:49:38 or rather to make it nop Dec 13 07:49:54 but yes, there is no such member Dec 13 07:50:01 this is a bug in CSSU h-d Dec 13 07:50:27 maybe it should be ok to just remove this line? Dec 13 07:51:24 maybe, but it needs to be verified why it is there at all Dec 13 07:51:45 anyway, me gtg Dec 13 07:51:49 bye Dec 13 07:52:12 bye Dec 13 09:38:10 http://kb.netgear.com/000036386/CVE-2016-582384 Dec 13 09:38:46 "recommendation: don't use those devices until the vulnerability got fixed" Dec 13 09:42:32 Amusing how it seems to affect only there top line routers Dec 13 09:42:53 different dev teams? Dec 13 09:58:36 Thankfully the Netgear router sitting next to me isn't on the list of vulnerable devices :) Dec 13 10:10:07 Sad to hear that such a prominent member of our community has passed away... Dec 13 10:10:21 huh? Dec 13 10:11:07 I got an email from the community list via chemist saying that Gido Griese aka Win7Mac passed away Dec 13 10:11:17 o.o Dec 13 10:12:35 maemo.org main site down? Dec 13 10:12:37 https://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=19732545 seems to have the info from what I can see Dec 13 10:12:51 or the front page of http://maemo.org/ Dec 13 10:12:52 wiki is up, but main site not connecting Dec 13 10:12:54 which seems to be working for me Dec 13 10:12:58 hrm Dec 13 10:13:19 anyhow, its sad that such a prominent community member passed away Dec 13 10:13:28 oh shit, who? Dec 13 10:13:51 Gido Griese aka Win7Mac Dec 13 10:14:42 sounds familiar, didn't he work on the moko stuff too? Dec 13 10:15:00 I dont know, I just know what the info says Dec 13 10:15:26 jonwil: "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. " Dec 13 10:15:32 thread disappeared? Dec 13 10:15:35 same result for your link here Dec 13 10:15:46 try htttp://maemo.org/ Dec 13 10:15:49 which does work Dec 13 10:15:52 for me at least Dec 13 10:16:11 I've tried from here, from my dallas VPS, and my netherlands VPS Dec 13 10:16:12 ah, it's now a TMO notice Dec 13 10:16:14 down everywhere Dec 13 10:16:18 for me Dec 13 10:16:27 yeah its now a notice on tmo Dec 13 10:16:49 For those who cant see the info, this pastebin Dec 13 10:16:51 http://pastebin.com/hKi91Cuu Dec 13 10:17:01 is a copy+paste of the text from the front page of maemo.org Dec 13 10:18:21 ndnihil: how down? Dec 13 10:18:27 times out Dec 13 10:18:31 hmm Dec 13 10:18:38 front page, and downloads Dec 13 10:18:42 was hoping to revive my n900 Dec 13 10:18:48 maemo.org works for me Dec 13 10:18:58 the gta02 isn't playing too well with this sim Dec 13 10:19:14 you might be in some spam/banlist, although I think you should be getting some error message in that case Dec 13 10:19:16 and yes, there is a big notice on the front Dec 13 10:19:23 something wrong with your ISP maybe Dec 13 10:19:47 did you miss the part where I tried my home connection, and proxies via Dallas and Netherlands? Dec 13 10:19:53 three points of down Dec 13 10:19:55 I guess I did Dec 13 10:20:01 strange then Dec 13 10:20:05 got a traceroute? Dec 13 10:20:06 talk.maemo works, wiki.maemo works Dec 13 10:20:14 ah Dec 13 10:20:21 maemo.org does not Dec 13 10:20:30 well I dunno why, then Dec 13 10:20:35 yeah, a bit odd Dec 13 10:21:12 1 rtr (192.168.1.1) 3.134 ms 2.939 ms 6.364 ms Dec 13 10:21:13 2 bialy-bg1.neo.tpnet.pl (83.1.4.211) 25.430 ms 25.787 ms 27.527 ms Dec 13 10:21:13 3 bialy-r1.tpnet.pl (80.50.118.145) 29.346 ms 29.655 ms 30.404 ms Dec 13 10:21:13 4 war-r4.tpnet.pl (194.204.175.29) 35.050 ms 35.555 ms 35.619 ms Dec 13 10:21:13 5 war-b2-link.telia.net (213.248.89.85) 74.997 ms 76.834 ms 77.058 ms Dec 13 10:21:13 6 hbg-bb4-link.telia.net (213.155.133.94) 80.525 ms hbg-bb1-link.telia.net (213.155.133.92) 76.838 ms hbg-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.245.166) 77.570 ms Dec 13 10:21:13 7 hbg-b1-link.telia.net (213.155.135.83) 76.572 ms hbg-b1-link.telia.net (213.155.135.87) 70.299 ms hbg-b1-link.telia.net (213.155.135.83) 67.386 ms Dec 13 10:21:14 8 iphh-ic-316246-hbg-b1.c.telia.net (62.115.144.183) 71.969 ms 71.639 ms 71.237 ms Dec 13 10:21:14 9 te4-4-cr1.hamburg2.iphh.net (213.128.158.38) 63.830 ms 64.006 ms 63.492 ms Dec 13 10:21:15 10 gw.maemo.org (213.128.137.1) 63.844 ms 67.726 ms 67.733 ms Dec 13 10:21:15 11 www.maemo.org (213.128.137.20) 67.560 ms 68.173 ms 69.615 ms Dec 13 10:21:16 drat. Dec 13 10:21:20 hrm Dec 13 10:21:22 stupid secondary paste buffer Dec 13 10:21:28 sorry about that Dec 13 10:21:48 might be shitting itself due to adblock stuff Dec 13 10:21:52 works fine on clean browser Dec 13 10:23:15 ah Dec 13 10:23:56 however, tablets-dev.nokia.com has no DNS Dec 13 10:24:04 nokia is dead Dec 13 10:24:09 ~tabletsdev Dec 13 10:24:09 somebody said tabletsdev was http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ Dec 13 10:24:10 and that's where all the pointers to download firmware are aimed Dec 13 10:24:14 see last link Dec 13 10:24:30 and for a flashing script (that automatically gets files too): Dec 13 10:24:32 ~flashing Dec 13 10:24:33 maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing Dec 13 10:27:01 do somebody knows what's the last maemo firmware for nokia n900? Dec 13 10:27:09 1.3.1 Dec 13 10:27:19 but use cssu to get updates Dec 13 10:32:40 thank you Dec 13 11:04:00 ~pr1.3.1 Dec 13 11:04:01 from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ Dec 13 11:04:10 ~lazyflashing Dec 13 11:04:10 lazyflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Dec 13 11:37:13 looks like these mirrors are dropping left and right Dec 13 11:39:35 not really, you should only need muarf Dec 13 11:41:45 sure, it's the one that works Dec 13 11:48:39 ~jrrepos Dec 13 11:48:39 methinks jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ Dec 13 11:54:14 well that makes things nice and easy Dec 13 11:56:01 I hope so :-) Dec 13 11:56:31 sooo Dec 13 11:56:38 can I buy a neo900 yet? :) Dec 13 11:57:07 * Maxdamantus opens trenchcoat. Dec 13 11:57:56 heh, all that and I'm already running the latest Dec 13 11:58:07 no updates Dec 13 11:58:48 ndnihil: you can order a Neo900, but it's still under development and shipping will be later Dec 13 11:59:23 note that we produce to order and at the time production starts no late orders will be possible for that batch anymore, obviously Dec 13 11:59:47 I'm going to need to upgrade well before then unfortunately Dec 13 11:59:54 it's highly unclear if there ever will be a second batch getting built Dec 13 12:00:00 still using a droid4 as my daily Dec 13 12:00:16 just bought a used one for $20 so I'd have spares Dec 13 12:00:52 I started to occasionally play with an adroid device. It's plain unbearable Dec 13 12:01:01 YMMV Dec 13 12:01:08 it's not too bad after you de-google it Dec 13 12:01:36 but I need a physical keyboard Dec 13 12:01:41 YEAH! Dec 13 12:01:48 and almost nothing current has that Dec 13 12:02:02 if it does, it's low end junk Dec 13 12:02:08 I installed an app "htop" which is exactly what its name says, but *without any kbd input* Dec 13 12:02:49 or I'm just too dull to grok how to pop up that damn vkbd in android at will Dec 13 12:03:07 it should pop up as soon as you tap an input field Dec 13 12:03:25 even then, such vkbd has no ctrl key, no cursor keys even... >:-( Dec 13 12:03:44 didn't even know htop was available for android Dec 13 12:03:48 HTOP has no input field Dec 13 12:03:52 I run it here Dec 13 12:03:59 assuming it's the same htop Dec 13 12:04:03 like top, but pretty Dec 13 12:04:55 then that shit constantly nags with at least 5 notifiers per day trying to scoop money Dec 13 12:05:05 constantly phones home Dec 13 12:05:10 hah, I have a fix for that too Dec 13 12:05:28 $ cat hosts-big.txt |wc -l Dec 13 12:05:28 544993 Dec 13 12:05:37 because fuck ads Dec 13 12:06:40 I hoped for a ssh server to log in to that piece of junk, but... couldn't find one Dec 13 12:07:10 adb over net Dec 13 12:07:19 probably even quite demanding a task to write a daemon on android Dec 13 12:07:20 closest you'll get without porting it yourself Dec 13 12:07:28 and yeah, huge pain in the ass Dec 13 12:08:33 but to be fair, it's not really a server OS Dec 13 12:08:45 LOL obviously not Dec 13 12:08:55 it's not really an OS Dec 13 12:09:05 ;-) Dec 13 12:09:35 better than iStuff Dec 13 12:12:10 and really, if you get something with a decent rom available (likely cyanogenmod), and flash the minimal gapps package with just play store Dec 13 12:12:19 make a few tweaks Dec 13 12:12:21 and it's entirely usable Dec 13 12:13:34 as long as you have a physical keyboard :) Dec 13 12:15:51 if there is bsp from vendor, you can tune whole thing to usable state Dec 13 12:16:15 i'm currently hacking android for orange pi pc/plus2e Dec 13 12:16:28 and i must say it works nicely as a youtube/browser box Dec 13 12:17:41 kodi/osmc Dec 13 12:17:46 good stuff Dec 13 12:18:06 meh! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_S60 Dec 13 12:18:12 oh yeah Dec 13 12:18:23 if they had a verizon version, I'd have one by now Dec 13 12:18:31 been on the list for that since it was first announced Dec 13 12:18:47 I love my flir Dec 13 12:18:47 yup, kodi kodi is really polished product Dec 13 12:18:53 and having it on my phone would be sweet Dec 13 12:19:01 I'd sacrifice the hardware keyboard for that Dec 13 12:19:05 or 3d print one Dec 13 12:19:14 rather 3d print a case that incorporates one Dec 13 12:19:35 it has no CM Dec 13 12:19:44 nope, and probably never will Dec 13 12:20:03 you'd be stuck rolling your own Dec 13 12:20:35 well, kodi is installable app for android Dec 13 12:20:36 http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/help/cat-s60-snapdragon-617-rootable-t3433018 Dec 13 12:20:58 I prefer the standalone kodi, rather than the app version Dec 13 12:21:00 it's faster Dec 13 12:21:51 i've tried it just out of curiosity Dec 13 12:22:01 to test things Dec 13 12:23:04 hadn't seen the xda thread on the s60 yet Dec 13 12:23:30 heh, one post says "I have 117 apps on my phone" Dec 13 12:23:34 who the fuck needs 117 apps Dec 13 12:23:44 dpkg -l|wc -l :P Dec 13 12:24:12 lib lib lib lib lib lib app Dec 13 12:44:36 the FLIR is nice, also the rugged device is cool, but no root is just unbearable Dec 13 12:46:40 and I have to say: when android is tailored to be usable by average user, then I'm worried about state of my own brain since it's obviously working in a totally incompatible mode to that of those average users Dec 13 12:48:13 your not alone so don't worry, the issue is others are now brainwashed into one of two UI's Dec 13 12:48:44 didn't anybody notice that e.g. pinch2zoom is a terribly idiotic approach ergonomically and usability wise, since you cover the stuff you're zooming with your fingers Dec 13 12:49:33 but... heaven compared to on screen vkbd Dec 13 12:50:42 one cute thing i've noticed about android was perfect usability with only mouse Dec 13 13:01:02 * DocScrutinizer05 dug through his pile of USB junk to try making an arbitrary peripheral work on S60 in hostmode (not even sure if that would work *at all*), found a 16cm USB-A-F to USB-A-M "extender" and scratches head Dec 13 13:02:23 it's barely long enough to plug the ends into each other Dec 13 13:03:07 maybe a D+/- shorter? Dec 13 13:04:17 how do you pinch with a mouse? Dec 13 13:12:37 maybe click'n hold + move? Dec 13 13:15:59 is there an app like "USB-hostmode" for android? Dec 13 13:16:48 if I remember right, it should be an automatic/internal toggle based on the hardware supporting it Dec 13 13:16:50 eh, sorry Dec 13 13:17:07 assuming OTG adapter and whatnot Dec 13 13:17:15 shouldn't ask silly questions like an IRC noob Dec 13 13:17:24 DocScrutinizer05: install bluemaemo on n900 and use it as touchpad and kbrd Dec 13 13:17:28 https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/usb/host.html Dec 13 13:20:17 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.usbhostdiagnostics&hl=en Dec 13 13:21:17 as keen on host mode as I used to be Dec 13 13:21:21 I just never used it Dec 13 13:21:34 except with gta02 when it was acting like a CD changer for the audi Dec 13 13:21:51 via externally powered hub Dec 13 13:24:29 swb: dont know yet, but i find wheel to be nice, and rmb is 'cancel/back', which i find extremely intuitive/useful Dec 13 13:25:39 I'd say some sort of holding Ctrl key would be intuitive, but meh Dec 13 13:26:18 swb, you can always map gestures Dec 13 13:26:29 ie. lmb+gesture Dec 13 13:27:18 but that would be "drag" IMO Dec 13 18:01:28 hello all Dec 13 18:01:40 I have a N900 and maemo is not work Dec 13 18:01:51 ~flashing Dec 13 18:01:51 from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing Dec 13 18:02:15 KotCzarny, I use debian 64bit and flasher not work 64bit system right? Dec 13 18:02:37 run 32bit os in virtualbox Dec 13 18:02:47 or some livecd Dec 13 18:02:49 KotCzarny, hm okay I understand. Dec 13 18:03:01 flasher will work if you install proper libs Dec 13 18:03:14 32bit libc and 32bit libusb-0 Dec 13 18:03:28 I want to try to install Gentoo on the n900 but chroot command is not work Dec 13 18:03:28 then it will run without virtualbox Dec 13 18:15:34 I have a questions, I will try to install Gentoo on the N900 and chroot is not work, /bin/bash is not work Dec 13 18:15:36 why? Dec 13 18:22:38 paste your output Dec 13 18:23:14 we ain't telepaths Dec 13 18:25:10 L29Ah I use command to env -i chroot . /bin/bash Dec 13 18:25:25 and the error "/bin/bash no file directory" Dec 13 18:25:51 I'm write to meego now, Dec 13 18:26:09 ldd /bin/bash Dec 13 18:26:31 check if the dynamic loader is available and operational in your chroot Dec 13 18:26:49 you may have better results with busybox Dec 13 18:26:54 L29Ah hmm, I understand and this device is bussy Dec 13 18:26:59 http://www.tizenexperts.com/2010/10/installing-meego-nokia-n900/ Dec 13 18:28:47 mueddib: might be your gentoo be too new for old nokia kernel (2.6.28) Dec 13 18:30:29 KotCzarny, hm I understand what do you suggest install on distro? I want to install mutt and install irc client :) Dec 13 18:31:38 also, modern glibc won't work on the ancient maemo kernel Dec 13 18:33:25 L29Ah, my intention is to first install running linux then compile the new kernel :) Dec 13 18:33:42 you may want to try musl Dec 13 18:33:47 maemo is not work, busybox is insufficient Dec 13 18:33:48 it works on 2.6.28 afair Dec 13 18:33:55 if you dont need telephony part, you can have mainline kernel Dec 13 18:34:15 and there are musl stage3 on gentoo.org Dec 13 18:34:54 L29Ah, I have to musl stage3 but I install to maemo this problem I don't chroot and not install to gentoo :( Dec 13 18:35:20 KotCzarny, I try to mainline kernel, this telephone have to ARM processor and I like to ARM Dec 13 18:35:23 i barely understand you Dec 13 18:36:20 I'm running command Dec 13 18:36:22 dd bs=4096 if=mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk0 Dec 13 18:36:28 I'm still wait :) Dec 13 18:43:52 KotCzarny, why not work make and bash and basic linux command? Dec 13 18:44:18 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# make Dec 13 18:44:18 -sh: make: not found Dec 13 18:44:33 1/ your firmware is old Dec 13 18:44:47 2/ to enable make/gcc on device you need sdk repository added Dec 13 18:45:02 3/ watch out for OUT OF DISK SPACE Dec 13 18:45:36 KotCzarny, where is the new firmware? please share url. Dec 13 18:45:45 sdk? I'dont now how to enable sdk Dec 13 18:45:57 N900 have to 30GB disk area :) Dec 13 18:46:00 you don't need them if you have the gentoo chroot Dec 13 18:46:07 and I use 16GB SD Dec 13 18:47:05 L29Ah, I run command "chroot /mnt/Gentoo /bin/bash" and this command not work. Dec 13 18:47:19 in short, you better do it in scratchbox on pc Dec 13 18:47:25 # uname -ar Dec 13 18:47:25 Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Wed Oct 28 15:32:55 EET 2009 armv7l unknown Dec 13 18:47:39 compiling on device will be VERY slow Dec 13 18:48:00 mueddib: eat shit plz Dec 13 18:48:14 KotCzarny: kernel builds in some hours Dec 13 18:48:21 not very slow ;] Dec 13 18:48:36 l29ah: i know, i was building on bananas. but n900 is SLOOOW. Dec 13 18:49:13 the biggest problem with n900 is the lack of memory Dec 13 18:49:20 so c++ goes out of the window Dec 13 18:49:26 yup Dec 13 18:49:49 compiling on device is fine for small projects, or properly splitted Dec 13 19:44:20 hi Dec 13 20:08:22 hey all, I chroot'ed N900 and I have shell to Gentoo now :) Dec 13 20:08:38 yay :) Dec 13 20:08:48 How can I physically install Gentoo to N900? Dec 13 20:09:04 I think gentoo work to /dev/mmcblk1p1 Dec 13 20:09:14 I want to need install to /dev/mmcblk0 Dec 13 20:09:34 mmcblk0 is physical SD right? Dec 13 20:09:41 hmmm I think there is a thread about that on forum, and a few people here worked on this as well Dec 13 20:09:56 hm I searched to google :) Dec 13 20:10:42 I dont understand, N900 not use to /boot partition Dec 13 20:10:49 mmc1 is external sdcard, mmc0 is (internal) eMMC Dec 13 20:11:12 bencoh right, thank you but where is the bootable disk? /boot ? Dec 13 20:11:30 and n900 boots from NAND, which is presented as a mtd block device Dec 13 20:11:54 kernel sits in its own mtd partition, with no filesyste Dec 13 20:12:06 I'm pretty sure this is explained somewhere on wiki.maemo.org btw :) Dec 13 20:12:42 you probably want to install uboot before going on with your project, by the way Dec 13 20:14:31 uboot? hm, mmcblk0p1 have to three partition Dec 13 20:14:39 Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type Dec 13 20:14:53 /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 7372799 7372799 3.5G 83 Linux Dec 13 20:15:08 /dev/mmcblk0p2 7372800 7389183 16384 8M 82 Linux swap / Solaris Dec 13 20:15:12 /dev/mmcblk0p3 7389184 7454719 65536 32M c W95 FAT32 (LBA) Dec 13 20:15:33 so, n900 not use mmcblk0 right? :) Dec 13 20:15:41 the /boot empty :) Dec 13 20:15:58 it does. but not to boot. Dec 13 20:16:20 uboot would sit on mtd as well Dec 13 20:16:58 hm, I dont information to uboot and mtd Dec 13 20:17:01 I'm learn now :) Dec 13 20:17:02 thank you Dec 13 21:10:33 hmm, uboot is boot to another kernel= Dec 13 21:10:35 ? Dec 13 21:31:35 jonwil: hi! Dec 13 21:31:54 do you know something about addressbok & sms stored on SIM card? Dec 13 21:31:57 how to access it? Dec 13 21:32:25 Maemo abook can access and copy contacts from SIM to /home/... but not reverse Dec 13 21:32:47 so there should be some csd api for reading contacts from SIM Dec 13 21:32:57 which should probably use ISI modem Dec 13 21:33:50 mueddib: hi! what do you need to know about uboot? Dec 13 21:34:38 Pali, oh my god! I was looking for your e-mail address :) Dec 13 21:35:22 hm, I want to run gentoo on the N900 but I don't know how to boot Gentoo. Dec 13 21:35:41 Can I boot to Gentoo with uboot? Dec 13 21:36:10 uboot is bootloader, it boot supplied kernel image Dec 13 21:36:26 same as grub Dec 13 21:36:33 or lilo Dec 13 21:37:02 hmm, I understand but I don't know how it works :) Dec 13 21:37:47 Pali, what do I need to do to install uboot? Dec 13 21:37:52 I don't find to howto Dec 13 21:37:55 :( Dec 13 21:40:28 n900 boot process is: omaprom --> x-loader (mtd0) --> nolo (mtd0) --> kernel (mtd3) Dec 13 21:40:52 uboot is placed between nolo and kernel Dec 13 21:41:09 and is stored to mtd3 too Dec 13 21:41:28 mtd3 is enough large, so kernel is appended to uboot image on mtd3 Dec 13 21:42:01 so installing uboot will replace kernel in mtd3 with image of uboot+kernel Dec 13 21:42:24 uboot iself can boot attached kernel image (to uboot at mtd3) Dec 13 21:42:36 and can boot any other kernel image stored on eMMC or uSD card Dec 13 21:42:46 also can load initramfs Dec 13 21:43:17 installing of uboot should be simple, just install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" via hildon application manager Dec 13 21:43:55 Pali, thanks for information but can i run kernel on my sd-card? Dec 13 21:43:57 it flash uboot image into kernel nand area (mtd3) and attached kernel image is stock one! not kernel-power or other Dec 13 21:44:12 uboot can load & boot any kernel from uSD card Dec 13 21:44:26 hmm Dec 13 21:44:29 for easy loading I suggest you to create bootmenu entry Dec 13 21:44:35 see thread about uboot: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 Dec 13 21:45:00 read first post, you are probably interested in "How to create bootmenu entry for U-Boot" Dec 13 21:46:11 I understand, I create a zImage and copy /opt/boot Dec 13 21:46:25 and I create a /etc/bootmenu.d/20-my-kernel.item Dec 13 21:46:37 file and I insert parameters right? Dec 13 21:46:46 do not have to copy it to /opt/boot, you can specify also path to uSD Dec 13 21:46:56 I understand Dec 13 21:48:43 Can I reformat to mmcblk0? Dec 13 21:49:08 mmcblk0? that is eMMC, right? Dec 13 21:49:18 and I don't create bootable partition, right? Dec 13 21:49:21 of course you cannot reformat whole eMMC Dec 13 21:49:22 not install lilo or grub :) Dec 13 21:49:46 eMMC is part of Maemo Dec 13 21:49:59 hmm, where is the eMMC? Dec 13 21:50:12 on soc Dec 13 21:50:19 I see only to mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 Dec 13 21:50:29 one is eMMC and one is uSD card Dec 13 21:50:29 so /dev/mmcblk0 is internal sd Dec 13 21:50:38 look where is mounted MyDocs Dec 13 21:50:43 and /dev/mmcblk1 is external sd Dec 13 21:50:50 that is 3rd part of eMMC Dec 13 21:50:52 not mount :) Dec 13 21:51:08 going to check it on my n900 Dec 13 21:51:45 Pali: http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/37T4 Dec 13 21:51:47 so... on Maemo is mmcblk0 eMMC and mmcblk1 uSD Dec 13 21:52:12 on non-maemo system mmcblk0/1 are randomly selected Dec 13 21:52:17 based on hw initalization Dec 13 21:53:47 if you are going to use another system, I suggest you to use uSD card Dec 13 21:54:13 format it to fat or ext2/3/4 and copy there your system Dec 13 21:54:31 create partitions on it as you wish Dec 13 21:54:49 my uSD card 2GB is not enough I want to use internal SD Dec 13 21:55:33 Can I partition internal sd? uSD is only 2GB :) Dec 13 21:55:54 if you do not want to loose Maemo system, then cannot (easly) use eMMC Dec 13 21:57:33 I want to delete Maemo and I want to boot with only Gentoo. I want use eMMC (30GB) :) Dec 13 21:57:49 is this possible? Dec 13 21:58:21 do you have working gentoo? Dec 13 21:58:24 image? Dec 13 21:58:31 yes Dec 13 21:58:35 I install gentoo uSD Dec 13 21:58:47 and will it work on eMMC? Dec 13 21:58:47 I parted to 2GB Dec 13 21:59:23 So, for example linux boot to uSD and I use eMMC (30GB) mounting Dec 13 21:59:31 right? Dec 13 21:59:59 uboot menu entries how they created do not work without Maemo Dec 13 22:00:18 ah I understand Dec 13 22:00:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 --> works only if Maemo is installed Dec 13 22:00:33 what you can do is to decrease size of MyDocs partition Dec 13 22:00:38 and after that create new parition Dec 13 22:00:58 uboot is loading configuration from MyDocs Dec 13 22:01:22 so decrease MyDocs e.g. to 1GB Dec 13 22:02:00 and you should have ~~ 22GB empty after 3rd partition Dec 13 22:02:45 (maybe more 26GB probably) Dec 13 22:07:19 Dear Pali, last time I delete all partition on the mmcblk0 and reboot and N900 work :) Dec 13 22:07:54 right? Dec 13 22:08:10 if you delete all partitions on eMMC, then you delete Maemo5 Dec 13 22:08:33 https://jpst.it/QlV4 Dec 13 22:08:50 no Maemo is not delete, N900 boot :) Dec 13 22:09:34 https://jpst.it/QlV8 Dec 13 22:09:41 did you seen? https://jpst.it/QlV8 Dec 13 22:09:43 :) Dec 13 22:11:15 probably is damaged Dec 13 22:11:39 really? hm.. Dec 13 22:11:42 as all more parts are stored in /opt (=mount bind to /home/opt) and in /home/user/ Dec 13 22:19:44 Pali, I wondering, can not I install gentoo on the N900? For example, grub start get the grub menu I select kernel and find to ext3 /boot folder boot the kernel and boot linux Dec 13 22:19:59 just like computers. Dec 13 22:20:32 can not it be that way? Dec 13 22:22:44 uboot supports that bootmenu Dec 13 22:22:46 you can Dec 13 22:22:56 but configuration is loaded from MyDocs Dec 13 22:23:37 so now you cannot use uboot Dec 13 22:23:46 as you deleted everything needed for it Dec 13 22:28:20 Dear Pali, thanks for all informations, I install to uboot next time and I use Gentoo :) Dec 13 22:28:59 I don't use Maemo, Maemo is good and based debian but I need compile packages everytime on the N900 Dec 13 22:29:00 :) Dec 13 22:29:22 You're crazy Dec 13 22:29:31 I use gentoo on my n900, but I don't compile anything on it Dec 13 22:29:36 you can flash kernel image directly to nand Dec 13 22:29:37 I compile it on a different machine Dec 13 22:29:42 and use it without uboot Dec 13 22:29:54 this problem, n900 is very very slow :) Dec 13 22:30:02 but in that case you need to ensure that you have everything needed for booting in zImage Dec 13 22:30:14 and that zImage size is < 2MB Dec 13 22:30:27 and cmdline and others is compiled in zImage Dec 13 22:30:49 Wizzup, I compile only bitchx irc client, mutt, vi, and linux kernel Dec 13 22:31:25 (chroot) Nokia-N900-42-11 media # df -h Dec 13 22:31:25 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Dec 13 22:31:30 so why not compile it on some other arm machine, or with qemu-user, or with cross compile Dec 13 22:31:34 /dev/mmcblk0p1 30G 173M 28G 1% /media/mmcblk0 Dec 13 22:31:44 this is good :) Dec 13 22:31:59 seriously this is .... ridiculous Dec 13 22:33:55 so, I have a problem Dec 13 22:34:21 I connect to SSH and always freeze over ssh I'm waiting to enter the command. What could be the reason frozen? Dec 13 22:34:35 Maybe it's below 0 degrees celsius. Dec 13 22:35:24 Wizzup right now, here it is snowing and weather is very cold. Dec 13 22:40:47 Wizzup are you serious? could it be cold? Dec 13 22:41:05 No, I wasn't serious. Dec 13 22:41:19 Maybe wifi power saving? You should figure out how it freezes, where it freezes, in what part in the exchange Dec 13 22:41:45 hm, how do I resolve that it is waiting on ssh? Dec 13 22:41:55 ssh -vvv Dec 13 22:41:58 hm I check now, thank you Dec 13 22:42:21 OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6.maemo5, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 Dec 13 22:43:28 I was suggesting increasing the verbosity, not printing the version. Dec 13 22:44:41 Where can I change to wifi power saving? Dec 13 22:46:14 iw Dec 13 22:46:45 and tell any other wifi sw to not enable it (network-manager, wicd, etc..) Dec 13 22:47:27 I use default network-manager **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 14 02:59:59 2016