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Jan 05 10:00:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Michael_a380: which software version do you run? And is your powerbank (or cable) shorting D+/- lines of USB? My N900 never stops eating some 100+mA when connected to a power supply of any kind
Jan 05 10:01:43 <DocScrutinizer05> it was PR pre-1.2 iirc that did the interval charging on battery full
Jan 05 10:02:57 <DocScrutinizer05> PR1.3 keeps battery afloat at 4.16V and eats quite some current for active USB and CPU clock locked to 500MHz iirc
Jan 05 10:06:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know USB powerbanks that really talk data to a connected device. It's always only about power consumption on VBUS +5V
Jan 05 10:43:46 <DocScrutinizer05> Michael_a380: are you pilot?
Jan 05 10:44:32 <DocScrutinizer05> though, which pilot flies only one airplane type?
Jan 05 10:59:50 <Vajb> my powerbank has autoshutdown and it doesn't start charging before i unplug and replug usb from powerbank
Jan 05 11:05:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, mine has the same. That's why I say it's only about load current
Jan 05 11:06:45 <DocScrutinizer05> shutdown happens when there's no more load detected by powerbank, however I don't know how it detects a mating cycle
Jan 05 11:07:56 <KotCzarny> measuring amperage?
Jan 05 11:08:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I *guess* the powerbank simply applies a voltage bias via a high resistante pullup resistor to Vbatt 3V7 and detects faling edge of that voltage and enables the booster to provide 5V until the current draw is < threshold
Jan 05 11:09:41 <DocScrutinizer05> I gonna check immediately on my powerbank now
Jan 05 11:10:30 <Vajb> and i suspect that that feature cannot be overcome without good knowledge of electronics. Sime timer controlled relay comes to mind, but im not specialist.
Jan 05 11:10:32 * DocScrutinizer05 realizes that he still doesn't have any USB breakout lab test equipment
Jan 05 11:10:43 <Vajb> some timer*
Jan 05 11:10:53 <KotCzarny> vajb: relays are actually very simple to use
Jan 05 11:11:02 <KotCzarny> you can even get preprogrammed ones
Jan 05 11:11:09 <KotCzarny> 5-10usd on aliexpress
Jan 05 11:11:14 <jon_y> power banking cartels :)
Jan 05 11:11:33 <Vajb> i know relays used in cars :)
Jan 05 11:11:48 <KotCzarny> computer ones are almost the same
Jan 05 11:11:51 <Vajb> well at least those wich have four pins
Jan 05 11:12:57 <KotCzarny> but problem is that with full battery in n900 it would just shutdown again
Jan 05 11:13:01 <KotCzarny> i guess
Jan 05 11:13:20 <Vajb> hmm ok so some relay wich starts counting down from 2hours and "replugs" usb after that...
Jan 05 11:13:30 <KotCzarny> vajb, there are even usb/bt controlled ones
Jan 05 11:13:41 <KotCzarny> i guess bt would be the best for n900
Jan 05 11:13:55 <Vajb> and 24hours later we scrape off the table what is left of powerbank and n900 :)
Jan 05 11:14:34 <KotCzarny> keeping n900's battery >90% all the time isnt healthy though
Jan 05 11:15:06 <KotCzarny> so it should trigger when there is <10% charge left in the phone
Jan 05 11:16:09 <KotCzarny> sweetspot would be some kind of xi charging and some script to keep n900's battery ~40%
Jan 05 11:16:31 <DocScrutinizer05> first observation: the powerbank does NOT detect the plug-in of a USB plug - evidence: plugging in a USB extender cable doesn't activate the bank
Jan 05 11:16:59 <KotCzarny> doc, check connecting dumb light bulb/led
Jan 05 11:17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> 2nd observation: plugging a consumer to the extension cable triggers the bank, so it's an electrical thing via the 4 USB wires
Jan 05 11:18:39 <DocScrutinizer05> 3rd: the plugged in consumer been a USB A/V probe feed-through which evidently doesn't do any own action on D+/- USB data lines, so this reduces the relevant lines to VBUS-5V and GND
Jan 05 11:19:00 <Vajb> might be difference between banks. My bank activates when i plug usb to device, but it shuts down in few seconds. When i plug usb to device first and then to bank, it stays on till bank is empty or n900 full
Jan 05 11:19:38 <KotCzarny> if you have 2 wire usb cable you can check how intelligent it is
Jan 05 11:19:40 <DocScrutinizer05> 4th: that USB probe eats some maybe 10 to 20 mA (gonna check exact value now with a second one) and the powerbank shuts down after maybe 10s
Jan 05 11:24:21 <DocScrutinizer05> 5th: connecting true consumer (N950) to powerbank 2nd outlet doesn't start it when it gone inactive with probe still connected to 1st outlet. conclusion: probe on first outlet still pulls down the weak pullup on VBUS so a further pulldown on 2nd outlet doesn't trigger the falling edge needed to start the bank
Jan 05 11:28:20 <DocScrutinizer05> so I think my initial analysis is absolutely correct (though yet not 100% confirmed): powerbank biases VBUS line via high impedance pullup R to 3V7 (internal Vbatt) and watches for falling edge. On falling edge it enables booster to provide 5V to VBus, then it monitors current consumption and shuts off on current < threshold. It does _not_ detect the falling edge from shutting down boost, so to start it again with a weak load attached, 
Jan 05 11:28:21 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to remove the load completely (VBus charges to 3V7) and then replug (falling edge)
Jan 05 11:30:29 <DocScrutinizer05> for N900 it remains to be seen if a "manual" control of charger chip BQ24150 via I2C can simulate complete disconnect of USB from powerbank via charging_disable
Jan 05 11:31:18 <DocScrutinizer05> a way more simple, and obvious cure however would be to never let the consumed current drop below the deactivation threshold of the power bank - simply keep backlight on
Jan 05 11:31:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the actual threshold depends on your particular powerbank though
Jan 05 11:34:07 <DocScrutinizer05> as I mentioned before, my N900 with PR1.3 never stops drawing a ~150mA even with backlight off, "thanks to" the USB core never stops trying to connect to a possibly attached USB host
Jan 05 11:34:53 <DocScrutinizer05> this changed from PR1.1 to 1.2 or 1.2 to 1.3, old firmware does pulse charging, once per 3 minutes for 30s or somesuch
Jan 05 11:36:02 <DocScrutinizer05> now connecting my N900 PR1.3 to my powerbank via a nasty contraption that simulates D+/- short
Jan 05 11:38:47 <DocScrutinizer51> works like a charm for now
Jan 05 11:39:53 <jon_y> .cn contraptions 
Jan 05 11:41:12 <DocScrutinizer05> the N900 consumes a 90 to 150mA all the time from powerbank which provides 5.01V
Jan 05 11:41:23 <DocScrutinizer05> with backlight off
Jan 05 11:41:35 <DocScrutinizer05> with backlight on it's ~250mA
Jan 05 11:42:11 <DocScrutinizer05> IÃœW with backlight on my powerbank could operate this way a 100h
Jan 05 11:42:15 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW*
Jan 05 11:42:29 <DocScrutinizer05> and backligh OFF*
Jan 05 11:45:44 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, still steady stae
Jan 05 11:46:59 <DocScrutinizer05> state. So it behaves exactly like I hoped it would. However note that my powerbank (like prolly most of them) does NOT short D+/- so if I would do same test without my nasty contraption, it wouldn't work since N900 doesn't even start decent charging
Jan 05 11:47:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I so far worked around this using my chargescript whn charging from powerbank
Jan 05 13:54:55 <DocScrutinizer05> powerbank still happily powers N900, at a steady ~120mA consumption. The battery is completely charged, the device shows "charge finished"
Jan 05 14:06:00 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/N900-charging-from-powerbank1.JPG.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/N900-charging-from-powerbank2.JPG.jpg - the white powersupply connected is just to short D+/-
Jan 05 14:09:29 <DocScrutinizer05> the powerbank is labeled "10400mAh" so this setup should work for up to maybe 80h
Jan 05 14:11:44 <DocScrutinizer05> of course the contraption with that white charger and Y-cable could get replaced by either using a dedicated charger cable that has D+/- shorted, or simply by shorting the D+ and D- pins inside powerbank, by soldering a bridge to the USB connector middle two pads
Jan 05 15:30:18 <mva> hi there! I noticed that there is no package updates even in CSSU repos (except december's 0xFFFF upgrade). Is it some another OS (maybe with more recent kernel) recommended for N900 now? Or maemo is just in suspend mode? 
Jan 05 15:30:41 <KotCzarny> bit of both
Jan 05 15:33:06 <kerio> well not really
Jan 05 15:33:08 <kerio> just the latter
Jan 05 15:42:54 <Vajb> KotCzarny: T410, i5-520M, 4gb ram, no ssd, but it is on auction. Im thinking to offer max 150 as i looked that ssd +4gb ram will be around 100 more.
Jan 05 15:46:49 <bencoh> mva: what do you mean by "no package update" btw?
Jan 05 15:47:04 <bencoh> cssu-testing gets a bit of updates from time to time
Jan 05 15:47:10 <bencoh> -stable is, well ... -stable
Jan 05 15:47:38 <bencoh> it does get its share of bugfixes once in a while (~year)
Jan 05 15:49:30 <Vajb> hmm if code is optimized to the last empty line, why would updetes be needed :p
Jan 05 15:49:30 <Vajb> guess im dreaming again...
Jan 05 16:01:33 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/flying-cat1.JPG.jpg 2 3
Jan 05 16:01:42 <DocScrutinizer05> 250cm
Jan 05 16:01:49 <DocScrutinizer05> or 300
Jan 05 16:04:57 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: nope, you're to the point
Jan 05 16:05:09 <KotCzarny> yeah, they do that, you must be new to the internet not seeing those frigging flying daemons
Jan 05 16:06:22 <mva> bencoh: first of all, I didn't see any update (except 0xffff) in fapman since nov'15 end even there, there was almost no package updates :( Secondly, I looked timestamps of directories in repository.maemo.org pools ;) 
Jan 05 16:07:33 <mva> btw, is it any active projects about porting (or at least backporting, lol) modern (4.x) kernels to N900? :) 
Jan 05 16:07:46 <KotCzarny> yup
Jan 05 16:07:57 <bencoh> https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable#21.2011.38-1Smaemo8_.2810.06.2016.29
Jan 05 16:08:39 <DocScrutinizer05> first of all, don't use fapman ;-)
Jan 05 16:08:47 <bencoh> right :)
Jan 05 16:08:56 * mva was a bit shocked when some time ago, when tried to run static compiled (for modern arm systems) busybox on n900, and it said "too old kernel" or something like that O_o
Jan 05 16:09:01 <bencoh> mva: regarding modern kernels: http://elinux.org/N900 and https://github.com/pali/linux-n900
Jan 05 16:09:12 <bencoh> mva: yeah, libc broke it ...
Jan 05 16:09:15 <bencoh> gnulibc*
Jan 05 16:09:18 <Vajb> can't fapman be taken out from repo?
Jan 05 16:09:42 <mva> DocScrutinizer05: and what should I use instead? // except aptitude/apt-get and nokia's package manager
Jan 05 16:10:00 <DocScrutinizer05> nokia's packet manager
Jan 05 16:10:10 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly speedyHAM
Jan 05 16:10:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~speedyham
Jan 05 16:10:19 <infobot> SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb.  SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU now
Jan 05 16:10:39 <mva> ok, I'll try
Jan 05 16:10:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fapman
Jan 05 16:10:40 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
Jan 05 16:10:56 <mva> although, just wondered: why fapman is bad? :)
Jan 05 16:11:07 <bencoh> for the aformentioned reasons
Jan 05 16:11:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hamvsfam
Jan 05 16:11:34 <infobot> [hamvsfam] https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
Jan 05 16:11:55 <mva> ok
Jan 05 16:14:57 <mva> oh, I just remembered: isn't it some kind of TMO backup somewhere? :D There was some topic, about how to repair broken USB on N900 (although, I failed to find it even now, when I tried last time) // i've second motherboard with broken USB, but have no time to repair ATM, and thought about saving that article and return to that problem when I'll have enough time. But I afraid TMO can be dead on that time :'(
Jan 05 16:15:14 <KotCzarny> Å©sbfix
Jan 05 16:15:23 <KotCzarny> Å~usbfix
Jan 05 16:15:30 <KotCzarny> ~usbfix
Jan 05 16:15:30 <infobot> methinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt
Jan 05 16:15:39 <KotCzarny> (stupid windoze)
Jan 05 16:15:47 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: wich way that cat had been traveling to?
Jan 05 16:17:10 <Vajb> well in any case i guess it jumped on those pipes first
Jan 05 16:17:12 <KotCzarny> mva: search function on tmo sucks, use google
Jan 05 16:17:29 <KotCzarny> vajb: search videos/gifs of leaping cats
Jan 05 16:17:51 <KotCzarny> 2-3m vertical jump on flat wall isnt unseen
Jan 05 16:17:51 <Vajb> KotCzarny: i can just look around while home
Jan 05 16:18:32 <Vajb> our other cat jumps about 120cm from floor
Jan 05 16:18:56 <Vajb> i mean laying on floor pawns under her
Jan 05 16:19:42 <Vajb> but two to three meters has to be whole different breed of cat
Jan 05 16:22:27 <mva> uhm... I already listed to 6th page and I'm not sure it is that topic I remember. There was image with soldering wires to "points" under battery, and this topic only has a way to solder wires to resistors under metal cover. Although, maybe this is more "right" way than that...
Jan 05 16:24:13 <Vajb> mva: i think u r talking about soldering usb to service pads
Jan 05 16:24:43 <Vajb> or how ever they were called at. It is used when normal usb traces r gone
Jan 05 16:30:24 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, you shouldn't use testpoints to fix USB, unless really all other options are void
Jan 05 16:30:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I think the testpoint fix is mentioned somewhere later on in above linked tmo thread
Jan 05 16:33:32 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I'm pretty sure since I recall I commented on it, regarding the problems with it (e.g. lack of ESD and EMI protection)
Jan 05 16:35:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ummph nope, I stand corrected
Jan 05 16:35:48 <mva> ~sb
Jan 05 16:35:49 <infobot> [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Jan 05 16:36:08 <mva> still old scratchbox :(
Jan 05 16:37:56 <mva> is it still Debian Etch should be used as target distro?
Jan 05 16:44:36 <Monsieur> Hi there
Jan 05 16:46:08 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed tmo search is *totally* FUBAR. http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/05/plasma-desktopj17764.png
Jan 05 16:47:14 <KotCzarny> doc: might be helpful to see httpd logs
Jan 05 16:47:30 <KotCzarny> could be that there was some indexing service disabled
Jan 05 16:47:33 <DocScrutinizer05> mva: (sb) get the VM e.g. from http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Jan 05 16:49:59 <mva> DocScrutinizer05: I'd prefer chroot :) Although, I already added it to TODO (fetch VM, run it, transfer all the files to chroot, continue work in chroot) :)
Jan 05 16:50:09 <mva> thanks anyway ;)
Jan 05 16:52:01 <DocScrutinizer05> afk
Jan 05 16:54:36 <KotCzarny> mva: you can create chroot
Jan 05 16:54:59 <KotCzarny> assuming you have working qemu or native arm arch
Jan 05 16:55:27 <mva> both of it :)
Jan 05 16:55:36 <KotCzarny> it's as easy as getting few skeleton packages, unpacking them and doing apt-get update/install
Jan 05 16:55:59 <mva> I've bunch of Pine64+, for example
Jan 05 16:56:21 <KotCzarny> it will work, but apps depending on maemo services could fail
Jan 05 16:56:36 <mva> although, I thought about making buildserver (so, I guess, it'll be better to use qemu+binfmt chroot)
Jan 05 16:56:55 <KotCzarny> im using bananas/oranges to compile for my n900
Jan 05 16:57:30 <KotCzarny> ~tabletsdev
Jan 05 16:57:31 <infobot> methinks tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
Jan 05 16:57:39 <KotCzarny> you can grab vm image from the last link
Jan 05 16:57:58 <KotCzarny> and use distcc to distribute to pine64s
Jan 05 17:08:09 <mva> uhm
Jan 05 17:08:59 <mva> how can I check (to be fully sure) that installed HAM is speedyham, and not old slow nokia's proprietary one? 
Jan 05 17:09:07 <KotCzarny> dpkg -l
Jan 05 17:09:18 <KotCzarny> should probably have cssu in the version
Jan 05 17:10:51 <KotCzarny> or not.
Jan 05 17:10:57 <mva> // I just hope speedyham is a bit different and allows to install multiple packages at the same time (first, check packages you're want to install, and then install all of them, if they not conflicts), like fapman can. But I can't notice any difference between HAM I see now and HAM that was in 2009 :) 
Jan 05 17:11:08 <KotCzarny> but if the version is 2.2.73-2 then its from cssu
Jan 05 17:11:32 <mva> ii  hildon-application-manager                          1:2.2.73-2
Jan 05 17:11:33 <mva> :-/
Jan 05 17:12:52 <KotCzarny> its ok, its speedyham
Jan 05 17:15:18 <Vajb> heh backlog reminded me of my try to compile glibc for my desktop linux. It failed because of too old gcc 4.7 and needed was 2.5.3 or something along those lines
Jan 05 17:15:51 <Vajb> didn't make much sense to me so i just let it be
Jan 05 17:17:01 <bencoh> too old gcc 4.7
Jan 05 17:17:05 <bencoh> *meh* ...
Jan 05 17:19:00 <Vajb> yes and configure (or something) said that 2.5.3 or newer is needed
Jan 05 17:19:39 <Vajb> so i didn't really understand how 4.7 is too old since it is like two times newer
Jan 05 17:21:30 <Vajb> all i wanted was to compile newer glibc for telegram ;)
Jan 05 17:21:31 <mva> Vajb: it's just people who write comparsion expressions... erm... (**how to not call them idiots?..**) do not know what exactly they writing :)
Jan 05 17:22:52 <mva> because I can't imagine a way how to write a code that can assume 4<2 as true :)
Jan 05 17:23:16 <Vajb> i think it was my first try of combiling. Found clear looking tutorial and then that. Think I'll change distro soon anyways.
Jan 05 17:24:00 <Vajb> or is it compiling
Jan 05 17:24:10 <bencoh> Vajb: newer glibc for telegram? gnii?
Jan 05 17:24:23 <Vajb> gnii?
Jan 05 17:24:36 <bencoh> s/gnii/mmmh?/
Jan 05 17:24:36 <infobot> bencoh meant: Vajb: newer glibc for telegram? mmmh??
Jan 05 17:24:40 <Vajb> it says it need 2.15 and i have 2.13
Jan 05 17:24:56 <mva> ?!?
Jan 05 17:25:05 <bencoh> are you talking about glibc, aka gnu libc, or glib, aka gnome toolkit glib?
Jan 05 17:25:12 <Vajb> did u read that i was doing it for desktop
Jan 05 17:25:31 <bencoh> (s/gnome/gimp/ btw)
Jan 05 17:25:53 <mva> Vajb: but... how old is your distro?
Jan 05 17:26:05 <Vajb> i assume gnu libc
Jan 05 17:26:20 <mva> 2.13-2.15 is something about 2009's
Jan 05 17:26:34 <Vajb> it is late crunchbang linux
Jan 05 17:26:39 <Vajb> latest
Jan 05 17:26:40 <bencoh> I dont really see why would telegram need a newer glibc
Jan 05 17:26:49 <bencoh> especially since it compiles for maemo
Jan 05 17:26:50 <Vajb> but distro got discontinued
Jan 05 17:27:21 <mva> bencoh: I bet, he tried telegram-desktop, which is Qt5, which, in turn, can ask for newer glibc
Jan 05 17:27:31 <bencoh> huhu
Jan 05 17:28:23 <mva> Vajb: take a look on Gentoo :P
Jan 05 17:31:07 <Vajb> yeah i downloaded it from telegram site
Jan 05 17:31:48 <Vajb> mva: im having very old computer so i need light os. Probably telegram-dekstop would have been overkill anyways
Jan 05 18:23:23 <mva> Vajb: doesn't usual, say, debian not light enough?
Jan 05 18:23:33 <mva> s/not//
Jan 05 18:23:34 <infobot> mva meant: Vajb: doesn't usual, say, debian  light enough?
Jan 05 18:25:43 <mva> // although, even gentoo can be "light" (especially win libcs like musl or what's most yummy there for now), although, it has PM written on python (so, it want 512+MB RAM (or swap)). That's Why I firstly asked about debian 
Jan 05 18:33:27 <Monsieur> ~combined
Jan 05 18:33:27 <infobot> well, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/
Jan 05 18:35:52 <Monsieur> ~flasher
Jan 05 18:35:53 <infobot> somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Jan 05 18:36:10 <KotCzarny> you might want ~flashing
Jan 05 18:36:47 <Monsieur> Hm, i'm just looking for the flashing process about emmc 
Jan 05 18:36:54 <Monsieur> i'm a new n900 owner
Jan 05 18:37:00 <KotCzarny> then use flashing
Jan 05 18:37:09 <Monsieur> ;) thx
Jan 05 18:37:13 <Monsieur> ~flashing
Jan 05 18:37:13 <infobot> [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
Jan 05 18:37:26 <KotCzarny> Å©se that script
Jan 05 18:37:34 <KotCzarny> or lazyflashing oneliner
Jan 05 18:38:16 <Monsieur> i use to use the ./flasher -f $fw -F, which was pretty easy to execute
Jan 05 18:38:55 <KotCzarny> see flash-it-all.sh
Jan 05 18:39:08 <KotCzarny> it really is everything you need
Jan 05 18:39:18 <KotCzarny> it also downloads proper images automatically
Jan 05 18:39:25 <Monsieur> hm, ok, i'll have a look
Jan 05 18:39:30 <Monsieur> ho, nice :)
Jan 05 18:41:17 <Monsieur> my main problem is about the repositories mess
Jan 05 18:41:28 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Jan 05 18:41:29 <infobot> well, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Jan 05 18:41:46 <KotCzarny> but, as a new user you want:
Jan 05 18:41:55 <KotCzarny>  ~cssu
Jan 05 18:41:56 <infobot> hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Jan 05 18:42:11 <KotCzarny> but thats after clean flash
Jan 05 18:42:22 <Monsieur> ofc :)
Jan 05 18:57:47 <Monsieur> clean flash : done
Jan 05 19:03:20 <Monsieur> i don't understand why the device lock code is still the same after flashing
Jan 05 19:03:30 <Monsieur> but, it's not a big deal :)
Jan 05 19:03:38 <KotCzarny> its written on different part of nand?
Jan 05 19:03:48 <Monsieur> i guess so
Jan 05 19:05:49 <Monsieur> and just for my knowledge, is there a way to wipe it ?
Jan 05 19:15:54 <sixwheeledbeast> ~lockcode
Jan 05 19:15:54 <infobot> well, lockcode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522
Jan 05 19:17:32 <Monsieur> nice, thx
Jan 05 19:17:49 <Monsieur> Too much keywords :)
Jan 05 19:18:05 <KotCzarny> start writing them down ;)
Jan 05 19:19:29 <Monsieur> ~help
Jan 05 19:19:51 <Monsieur> thx infobot  ;)
Jan 05 19:32:06 <sixwheeledbeast> ~botsnack
Jan 05 19:32:06 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast: thanks
Jan 05 19:59:06 <Vajb> mva: yeah my distro is debian based and im thinking of changin. Well for a long time already, but have been lazy
Jan 05 20:29:14 <Monsieur> KotCzarny: thanks for your advices. I guess i'm now up-to-date with cSSU
Jan 05 20:30:04 <KotCzarny> do you plan to use n900 as an audio player too?
Jan 05 20:30:56 <Monsieur> not at all, i'm using a FiiO X3
Jan 05 20:31:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 05 20:31:37 <KotCzarny> with proper software, n900 can be quite useful in that regard
Jan 05 20:36:25 <Monsieur> I'll look how to sync (cal|card)dav from owncloud to the n900 :) but for now, it's beer time !
Jan 05 20:38:51 <warfare> Is there any modern messenger for the n900? (threema, wire, etc.?) 
Jan 05 20:41:15 <Vajb> warfare: telegram and jabber r what i use
Jan 05 22:43:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys lockcode
Jan 05 22:43:56 <infobot> Factoid search of 'lockcode' by key (2): defaultlockcode ;; lockcode.
Jan 05 22:44:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ~defaultlockcode
Jan 05 22:44:09 <infobot> well, defaultlockcode is 12345
Jan 05 22:44:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lockcode
Jan 05 22:44:18 <infobot> lockcode is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522
Jan 05 22:44:32 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys #maemo
Jan 05 22:44:34 <infobot> Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (17 of 114): #maemo 720p ;; #maemo battery ;; #maemo beasttweaks ;; #maemo bnf ;; #maemo closed ;; #maemo dmnc ;; #maemo emmc2 ;; #maemo enum ;; #maemo expired-key ;; #maemo fix-sb ;; #maemo l1_2 ;; #maemo log ;; #maemo maemodead ;; #maemo mce ;; #maemo mcebug ;; #maemo mo/* ;; #maemo mustn't.
Jan 05 22:44:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~720p
Jan 05 22:44:43 <infobot> 720p is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695
Jan 05 22:44:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ~battery
Jan 05 22:44:51 <infobot> hmm... polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement
Jan 05 22:45:12 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)))
Jan 05 22:45:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~beasttweaks
Jan 05 22:45:24 <infobot> somebody said beasttweaks was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts
Jan 05 22:45:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Jan 05 22:45:31 <infobot> well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Jan 05 22:45:55 <sixwheeledbeast> hello/
Jan 05 22:46:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~dmnc
Jan 05 22:46:03 <infobot> methinks dmnc is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1467839
Jan 05 22:50:13 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1467566&postcount=107
Jan 05 22:59:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrrepos
Jan 05 22:59:27 <infobot> jrrepos is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
Jan 05 23:05:49 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: not afaik
Jan 05 23:06:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh Vajb beat me to it
Jan 05 23:11:22 <Anasko> in short: computer lost count. Going like 1, 2, 3, 2, 3, 4, and hence not unique ids
Jan 05 23:11:28 <Anasko> any idea how to take an sql file and recalculate primary id aka unique id for almost thousand of lines in one table?
Jan 05 23:11:33 <Anasko> because manually editing .sql file, to get correct id into 1k INSERT lines , is... time-consuming
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