**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 07 03:00:02 2017
Jan 07 04:30:58 <Oksanaa> Hooray, reboot resolved " WiFi here, Internet aka 8.8.8.8 not here " problem
Jan 07 07:02:28 <KotCzarny> freemangordon: could it be possible to make h-d-lite, that only uses 2D and disables all those nice-but-not-essential effects?
Jan 07 07:03:11 <KotCzarny> that could even be compile time option, so you could work on it further and dont worry about 3d on n900
Jan 07 08:11:06 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: I doubt, it is not h-d itself but clutter that has to be taught to not use GL :)
Jan 07 08:12:58 <freemangordon> so for that to happen, h-d should be rewritten to not use clutter but something else
Jan 07 08:44:07 <KotCzarny> fmg, maybe some fallback to simple ops when compiling clutterless
Jan 07 08:44:16 <KotCzarny> what is clutter anyway
Jan 07 08:44:30 <KotCzarny> some compositor?
Jan 07 08:45:30 <freemangordon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(software)
Jan 07 08:49:46 <KotCzarny> oh well. looks like it would be easier to run sgx blob on mainline
Jan 07 08:58:13 <freemangordon> :nod: :)
Jan 07 09:02:40 <jonwil> hi
Jan 07 09:08:16 <freemangordon> jonwil: hi!
Jan 07 09:32:44 * jonwil wishes he could find something to do
Jan 07 09:32:48 <jonwil> So bored :(
Jan 07 09:32:54 <KotCzarny> jonwil, learn c?
Jan 07 09:32:56 <KotCzarny> its fun
Jan 07 09:33:01 <jonwil> I know C already :)
Jan 07 09:33:07 <KotCzarny> learn c better?
Jan 07 09:33:08 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jan 07 09:34:28 <KotCzarny> you can go to the testing thread and test some apps
Jan 07 09:35:01 <jonwil> I wanted something to make me LESS bored, I would find testing apps very boring.
Jan 07 09:36:49 <jonwil> TV is out as an option, the only things on are some crappy movies and some even crappier sport (its a choice of Tennis which is very very boring or Cricket which is one of the few sports more boring than Tennis)
Jan 07 09:36:59 <KotCzarny> infobot: ping
Jan 07 09:37:00 <infobot> ~pong
Jan 07 09:37:25 <KotCzarny> infobot: #maemo testing is become a tester, help maemo community! https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525
Jan 07 09:37:25 <infobot> okay, KotCzarny
Jan 07 09:37:36 <KotCzarny> ~testing
Jan 07 09:37:36 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, testing is become a tester, help maemo community! https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525
Jan 07 09:37:55 <L29Ah> jonwil: learn haskell
Jan 07 09:38:39 <KotCzarny> jonwil: i find watching sports very boring, unless its sexy girls or 'splosions
Jan 07 09:40:53 <jonwil> Found a random video on YouTube to solve my boredom problem :)
Jan 07 10:10:52 <sicelo-> 23:50 < Vajb> would be nice to have one program less open since telegram-purple can't be minimized to tray <<-- pidgin on maemo can minimize to try
Jan 07 10:11:07 <KotCzarny> 'tray'
Jan 07 10:24:23 <brolin_empey> jonwil: If you have too much free time, may I offload/outsource/delegate my low-priority jobs to you?
Jan 07 10:24:48 <KotCzarny> see his 'less bored' comment
Jan 07 10:31:03 <Vajb> sicelo-: how exactly is pidgin minimized to tray?
Jan 07 10:31:17 <brolin_empey> The boredom I had as a blissfully-ignorant child has been replaced by procrastination as an adolescent and now a young adult (if an age of almost 30 years still meets the “young” threshold).  There is literally never a single moment that I have nothing to do.  There is literally always something I should be doing but sometimes I procrastinate by doing what I want to do instead of what I should or need to do.
Jan 07 10:31:38 <KotCzarny> young adult <25
Jan 07 10:34:04 <L29Ah> young adult = porn-worthy and legal
Jan 07 10:34:33 <KotCzarny> young adult == legal, but not tired with life yet
Jan 07 10:35:20 <L29Ah> "tired with life"?
Jan 07 10:35:28 <KotCzarny> yup
Jan 07 10:35:42 <sicelo-> Vajb: install pidgin-maemo-docklet, enable it in Pidgin - Plugins
Jan 07 10:35:45 <KotCzarny> young at heart etc
Jan 07 10:36:30 <Vajb> sicelo-: ok thx will check it out. Do u have some advice for my smiley problem as well?
Jan 07 10:37:02 <sicelo-> check on tmo .. ther's a procedure to install them .. but i forgot now 
Jan 07 10:37:19 <sicelo-> the keyword is emoji of course
Jan 07 10:38:32 <Vajb> sicelo-: yes i fetch smiley files and put them to /opt and symlinked to /smileys but they r not working. That's all i found in tmo
Jan 07 10:39:20 <sicelo-> they work for me
Jan 07 10:40:30 <Michael_a380> I bought a 'microSD' online & recieved a generic (fake?) one. I did get my money back. Should I test it, or could it do damage?
Jan 07 10:40:30 <sicelo-> what directory you have them in .. want to check mine
Jan 07 10:40:56 <KotCzarny> Michael_a380: safe to test, i havent' heard of fakes damaging anything
Jan 07 10:41:34 <KotCzarny> dont put any valuable files to it before confirming sanity though
Jan 07 10:42:21 <Vajb> sicelo-: they r in /opt/unicode-emoji-master and symlink is in /home/user/.purple/smileys
Jan 07 10:43:40 <Vajb> inside unicode emoji folder r the folders called android,apple + some others. I was thinking that should there just be .png files without any folder structure?
Jan 07 10:44:39 <Vajb> and did u install them somehow in pidgin? I tried to load them as smiley theme but it didn't do anything
Jan 07 10:45:06 <sicelo-> Vajb: i only installed the apple ones .. 
Jan 07 10:45:50 <Vajb> oh and all works?
Jan 07 10:46:20 <Vajb> and u installed them via smiley theme setting in settings?
Jan 07 10:46:47 <sicelo-> Vajb: yes, you have to select them there
Jan 07 10:46:48 <Vajb> installing tray thing and libnotify plugins now :)
Jan 07 10:47:16 <Vajb> ok i tried selecting them, but it didn't do anything
Jan 07 10:47:45 <Vajb> hmm i'll try them styraight from /opt instead via symlink
Jan 07 10:49:00 <sicelo-> i think you need the symlink if you're using /opt ... anyway i have a large /home, so i put them straight in /home without a symlink
Jan 07 10:50:32 <Vajb> i tried adding them from /opt but didn't work either
Jan 07 10:50:55 <sicelo-> maybe your symlink isn't working?
Jan 07 10:51:13 <Vajb> i click add and choose theme file and click ok, but nothing happens. New theme isn't appearing
Jan 07 10:51:13 <sicelo-> check if you symlinked correctly
Jan 07 10:51:35 <sicelo-> oh .. what do you expect to see? :)
Jan 07 10:51:35 <Vajb> well if i click the symlink in hamsterfiler it bringss me to correct folder
Jan 07 10:52:02 <Vajb> i expect that apple smiley theme would appear on the list :)
Jan 07 10:52:27 <Vajb> and even that smileys would show up other than broken icons
Jan 07 10:52:35 <Vajb> in conversation
Jan 07 10:54:29 <Vajb> ah atleast tray icon works now :)
Jan 07 10:55:16 <Vajb> and notify works
Jan 07 10:55:22 <Vajb> now only the smileys
Jan 07 10:56:32 <sicelo-> so you don't have something like - http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-20170107-125432.png ?
Jan 07 10:56:40 <Vajb> sicelo-: one last question. Do u have smileys in /smiley as files or in subfolder?
Jan 07 10:56:54 <KotCzarny> i bet on folder
Jan 07 10:57:00 <KotCzarny> since you 'select theme'
Jan 07 10:57:22 <Vajb> ye :/ just trying to figure out what i do wrong
Jan 07 10:57:36 <sicelo->  5hey have a directory ..
Jan 07 10:57:42 <sicelo-> *they
Jan 07 10:57:46 <KotCzarny> sicelo, do a pastebin of the dir
Jan 07 10:58:03 <sicelo-> could be that you didn't save everything from the dir ..
Jan 07 10:58:04 <Vajb> sicelo-: nope. I don't get that
Jan 07 10:58:10 <sicelo-> it's not just png files
Jan 07 10:58:37 <sicelo-> there's also a 'theme' file .. got it?
Jan 07 10:58:58 <Vajb> yes
Jan 07 10:59:03 <Vajb> äand also Apple Color Emoji.ttf
Jan 07 10:59:20 <Vajb> they r all in apple folder
Jan 07 10:59:44 <Vajb> is it possible that permissions could mess something?
Jan 07 10:59:49 <sicelo-> hmm, what is the tmo thread with the instructions?
Jan 07 10:59:50 <Vajb> i suppose not, but...
Jan 07 11:00:07 <KotCzarny> sicelo do a pastebin of ls -lR 
Jan 07 11:00:08 <Vajb> telegram-purple-protocol
Jan 07 11:00:53 <sicelo-> yes i'm doing it
Jan 07 11:01:20 <KotCzarny> quick tip: ls -lR >1.txt; curl --upload-file 1.txt https://transfer.sh
Jan 07 11:01:37 <sicelo->  http://paste.debian.net/907298/
Jan 07 11:02:02 <KotCzarny> and a pwd in that dir
Jan 07 11:02:52 <sicelo->  it's /home/user/.purple/smileys/apple/
Jan 07 11:03:06 <sicelo-> Vajb: tmo link?
Jan 07 11:03:52 <Vajb> im trying that folder structure nows
Jan 07 11:04:38 <Vajb> ok it works now
Jan 07 11:04:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 07 11:05:01 <Vajb> so obviously it didn't like my symlink or too deep folder structure
Jan 07 11:06:34 <sicelo-> ;-)
Jan 07 11:06:54 <sicelo-> so you have how many icon themes?
Jan 07 11:07:11 <Vajb> wow, what an amazing day
Jan 07 11:07:19 <Vajb> i just moved apple :)
Jan 07 11:07:38 <sicelo-> let me know which one you find best after a few days .. i chose the Apple one just randomly .. maybe the others are better, no idea
Jan 07 11:07:42 <Vajb> but there is 6 more folders
Jan 07 11:07:53 <sicelo-> there's a few emojis missing on the Apple one
Jan 07 11:08:06 <Vajb> lemme show the names
Jan 07 11:08:30 <KotCzarny> if you move them beside apple dir you will probabbly be able to select them as themes
Jan 07 11:08:49 <sicelo-> one annoying thing with these themes .. no you cannot write :-) for example .. you need to pick it manually in the list
Jan 07 11:09:04 <sicelo-> and said list takes very long to come up haha
Jan 07 11:09:15 <KotCzarny> delete ugly ones then
Jan 07 11:10:33 <Vajb> they r. Apple, android, hangouts-color, noto, noto-color, symbola, twemoji
Jan 07 11:10:45 <KotCzarny> yeah, themes
Jan 07 11:11:07 <Vajb> yeah i noticed that list takes long to appear
Jan 07 11:11:21 <KotCzarny> ln should look like: ln -s /some/current/path/android /home/user/.purple/smileys/
Jan 07 11:11:40 <Vajb> but i don't mind since i use just written smileys, but it is handy to see what others write
Jan 07 11:12:50 <Vajb> if i put more smiley themes there r they all used or just the one i select from themes?
Jan 07 11:13:09 <KotCzarny> selected one probably
Jan 07 11:13:21 <Vajb> yeah thought so
Jan 07 11:13:37 <KotCzarny> that's what 'theme' would suggest
Jan 07 11:13:48 <Vajb> well what would be the purpose of selecting, eh stupid q
Jan 07 11:13:52 <KotCzarny> but if some are missing you can probably copy those files from other dir
Jan 07 11:14:20 <Vajb> hmm and add their lines to theme file too
Jan 07 11:14:26 <KotCzarny> yup
Jan 07 11:14:37 <Vajb> hmm would it be possible to compare them
Jan 07 11:14:51 <Vajb> lets see about file names say between apple and android
Jan 07 11:15:35 <Vajb> nah no bone. Totally different
Jan 07 11:17:29 <sicelo-> i don't think copying would work
Jan 07 11:17:39 <Vajb> hangouts-color seems to be "biggest" has 1.1k files others r around 0.8k
Jan 07 11:17:48 <sicelo-> i think the 'theme' file contains the mapping ...
Jan 07 11:17:54 <KotCzarny> copy + theme file mapping
Jan 07 11:18:02 <Vajb> yes it does
Jan 07 11:18:14 <sicelo-> then the theme will be confused :-)
Jan 07 11:18:23 <Vajb> it's just matter of selecting file and finding it's mapping
Jan 07 11:18:31 <sicelo-> unless you recreate the theme file ... it's a binary format
Jan 07 11:18:36 <KotCzarny> oh?
Jan 07 11:18:52 <Vajb> opens fine in leafpad :o
Jan 07 11:19:07 <Vajb> so i thought it's just text
Jan 07 11:20:01 <sicelo-> less says it's binary, but i see now
Jan 07 11:20:12 <KotCzarny> sicelo, confused by utf?
Jan 07 11:20:32 <sicelo-> possibly :-)
Jan 07 11:20:43 <sicelo-> 'file' detects it just fibe
Jan 07 11:20:47 <sicelo-> *fine
Jan 07 11:20:51 <Vajb> hmm what about stickers?
Jan 07 11:20:54 <KotCzarny> remember, freemantle is 2010 ;)
Jan 07 11:21:59 <sicelo-> Vajb: that i think will be close to impossible :)
Jan 07 11:23:02 <Vajb> so they would need new category in pidgin?
Jan 07 11:26:32 <Vajb> k i think im going to stick with hangouts theme, coz it has most files
Jan 07 11:26:51 <Vajb> will report if i see occasional missing smileys
Jan 07 11:27:11 <Vajb> in theme listing it says actually android/hangouts
Jan 07 11:31:25 <Vajb> hehe now we only need irssi statusmenu-plugin and irssi-notify-plugin
Jan 07 11:38:03 <sicelo-> :p
Jan 07 11:39:16 <sicelo-> tbh, i don't know if we even need statusmenu so much, even for pidgin .. maemo is really good at handling multiple windows
Jan 07 11:40:00 <sicelo-> as for notify .. if you're using my irssi, then perl is supported .. you can just use any of the scripts from internet to do that
Jan 07 11:49:33 <Vajb> sicelo-: of course im using ur irssi :)
Jan 07 11:50:11 <sicelo-> i'm lazy bastard hehe .. there's irssi 1.0.0 now .. should try build that for N900
Jan 07 11:50:25 <Vajb> and yeah im already used to having irssi always on there
Jan 07 11:52:36 <Vajb> guess im lazy too. I meant to install now desktop distro during my holiday, but didn't and this is the last weekend of it
Jan 07 11:53:10 <Vajb> now=new*
Jan 07 11:53:37 <Vajb> oh did i meantion it was two and half weeks...
Jan 07 11:53:42 <Vajb> mention*
Jan 07 11:54:00 <sicelo-> which distro?
Jan 07 11:55:12 <Vajb> planning to give ubuntu-mate a go
Jan 07 11:55:59 <sicelo-> what you using currently?
Jan 07 11:56:36 <Vajb> crunchbang linux, but it got discontinued. Im using bunsenlabs repos with it atm as adviced
Jan 07 11:57:24 <sicelo-> ok
Jan 07 11:59:16 <Vajb> i kinda like it but it could be a lot faster with browser
Jan 07 12:46:05 <Michael_a380> Looks like 7.9gb instead of stated 264gb. Good thing, I got my money back
Jan 07 12:46:35 <KotCzarny> so, free 8gb sdcard?
Jan 07 12:46:37 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jan 07 12:47:09 <Michael_a380> Yeah. :P
Jan 07 13:47:19 <DocScrutinizer05> Michael_a380: hehe, you tested the fake uSD?
Jan 07 13:48:39 <DocScrutinizer05> [2017-01-04 Wed 20:22:05] <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: you never know until you actually do a for (( mb=1; mb<=2000000; mb++ )); do f=printf  '%08d'; echo "%f "; echo "%f " >/mnt/DUTstick/%f; dd if=/mnt/DUTstick/%f of=/mnt/DUTstick/%f bs=1M count=1; done
Jan 07 13:48:40 <DocScrutinizer05> [2017-01-04 Wed 20:26:59] <DocScrutinizer05> and of course you then need to read back *all* blocks and check if their content == their name
Jan 07 13:48:42 <DocScrutinizer05> [2017-01-04 Wed 20:31:25] <DocScrutinizer05> like for (( mb=1; mb<=2000000; mb++ )); do f=printf  '%08d'; content=`head /mnt/DUTstick/%f`; [ "%f" -ne "%content"] && break; done
Jan 07 13:50:31 <DocScrutinizer05> s/f=printf  '%08d';/f=`printf  '%08d' $mb`;/
Jan 07 13:51:52 <DocScrutinizer05> and of course $f instead of %f, in all but the printf parameter
Jan 07 13:52:29 <DocScrutinizer05> tzzztzztzz I *must* have been tired
Jan 07 13:55:30 * DocScrutinizer05 looked at man curl first time of his life. Oh WOW, didn't even know
Jan 07 13:56:18 <DocScrutinizer05> curl != netcat, rather curl = frontend for doing SOAP
Jan 07 14:04:48 <Michael_a380> Yes, the *256gb microSDHC*. The price was at 10% retail, too good to be true. I used 'H2testw' to try 32gb & results came back with 7.9gb usable.
Jan 07 15:04:25 <Wizzup> curl is a great tool yeah
Jan 07 15:04:28 <Wizzup> does so many things
Jan 07 15:06:48 <brolin_empey> If dog exists as an alternative to cat, does netdog exist as an alternative to netcat?
Jan 07 15:07:36 <KotCzarny> dog is not viable alternative to cat
Jan 07 15:07:42 <KotCzarny> different use cases
Jan 07 15:08:10 <brolin_empey> I have had dog installed in Cygwin for years but I almost never use dog instead of cat.
Jan 07 15:08:33 <KotCzarny> you know there is a tool named tac ?
Jan 07 15:10:21 <DocScrutinizer05> the internet is made by cats, not dogs
Jan 07 15:11:30 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: Yes but:
Jan 07 15:11:30 <brolin_empey> $ god
Jan 07 15:11:30 <brolin_empey> bash: god: command not found
Jan 07 15:11:47 <DocScrutinizer05> err "of" not "by": http://theinternetismadeofcats.tumblr.com/
Jan 07 15:12:01 <KotCzarny> god - Fully configurable process monitoring (transitional package)
Jan 07 15:12:07 <KotCzarny> do apt-cache search
Jan 07 15:12:56 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: I am using Cygwin, not Debian.
Jan 07 15:13:13 <KotCzarny> cygwin is a bastard child
Jan 07 15:13:25 <brolin_empey> Dave Cutler is my hero. ;-)
Jan 07 15:14:24 <brolin_empey> Debian has lost its father.
Jan 07 15:14:33 <KotCzarny> and sanity too
Jan 07 15:15:00 <KotCzarny> or you may call it innocence
Jan 07 15:15:28 <KotCzarny> sold, brainwashed, doing dirty deeds
Jan 07 15:15:41 <MoeIcenowy> but NT do not have efficient fork ;-)
Jan 07 15:18:41 <brolin_empey> Reportedly the Linux subsystem for Windows 10 cannot run Wine. ☹
Jan 07 15:22:59 <enyc> brolin_empey: interesting concept
Jan 07 15:34:57 <Wizzup> brolin_empey: wine runs on windows, doesn't need the subsystem
Jan 07 15:35:24 <KotCzarny> wizzup, its not about running windows' version of wine
Jan 07 15:59:58 <Vajb> just realised interesting thing on irssi
Jan 07 16:00:16 <Vajb> if i press first esc and then pgdn i got ~
Jan 07 16:00:56 <KotCzarny> escape seqences
Jan 07 16:01:04 <KotCzarny> and char eating
Jan 07 16:01:24 <Vajb> dunno, but handy anyways
Jan 07 16:01:35 <KotCzarny> assuming it doesnt do anything
Jan 07 16:01:51 <KotCzarny> ~ is just a side effect of some bug
Jan 07 16:02:07 <Vajb> i see
Jan 07 16:04:04 <KotCzarny> bug or misconfiguration, terminal types etc
Jan 07 17:01:27 <sicelo-> seems to be a terminal thing .. and maybe all terminals do that (or at least many)
Jan 07 19:30:43 <Vajb> i thought i found a secret nokia input method ;)
Jan 07 19:30:59 <L29Ah> screen keyboard?
Jan 07 19:31:38 <Monsieur> slide keyboard ?
Jan 07 19:31:54 <KotCzarny> escape master shuffler
Jan 07 20:31:18 <Pali> MoeIcenowy: win10 now has at least 3 implementations of fork...
Jan 07 20:31:27 <Pali> (in NT kernel)
Jan 07 20:32:14 <KotCzarny> and a kitchen sink
Jan 07 20:32:31 <KotCzarny> and eats 2gigs before breakfast
Jan 07 20:33:36 <Vajb> isn't he a big boy?
Jan 07 21:05:05 <Vajb> sicelo-: i did some digging of smileys after some intense telegramming with one group and there is not any smiley theme that would show all of them. So so far im sticking with hangouts version.
Jan 07 21:05:47 <KotCzarny> preparing for some cyber?
Jan 07 21:06:10 <sicelo-> i'm not surprised. thanks. i'm lazy to play with them again, so i'm keeing the Apples :-)
Jan 07 21:06:17 <sicelo-> *keeping
Jan 07 21:07:04 <Vajb> yes, from set to set they show different "faces" but not one showed them all
Jan 07 21:08:21 <sicelo-> any luck in copying them across and building a master theme?
Jan 07 21:09:51 <Vajb> nope. Because i couldn't find a theme to show that one smiley
Jan 07 21:10:52 <Vajb> it was more like some u see and some u don't and depending of theme u see different smileys
Jan 07 21:11:28 <Vajb> is it known how devices do that smiley exchange?
Jan 07 21:12:10 <KotCzarny> or maybe bunch of apples not talking to droids?
Jan 07 21:12:24 <Vajb> im asking coz i know one has android and the other has apple. Needles to say that android and apple bonded flawlesly. Maemo, not so
Jan 07 21:14:43 <Vajb> hmm would it be possible to get smileys "name" from telegram-desktop and copy it over?
Jan 07 21:15:06 <Vajb> or maybe pidgin will show the name if drop smileys
Jan 07 21:16:24 <sicelo-> telegram desktop is one huge binary as well
Jan 07 21:16:44 <sicelo-> the emoji exchange is just unicode text :-)
Jan 07 21:17:02 <sicelo-> find a unicode font with all of them and you're done
Jan 07 21:17:29 <sicelo-> but then ... finding one is a different story, of course
Jan 07 21:18:31 <Vajb> hehe hoped to see smileys "call signal" by swithing to no smileys mode, but that didn't work s i thought
Jan 07 21:19:13 <KotCzarny> i've seen arial.ttf 25MB big
Jan 07 21:19:15 <sicelo-> pidgin shows you the unicode 'code' of a missing emoji
Jan 07 21:19:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 07 21:19:17 <Vajb> i wanted to see unicode but what i saw was just chinese looking symbols
Jan 07 21:19:33 <KotCzarny> now imagine it rendering all those glyphs
Jan 07 21:19:52 <Vajb> well if i look .png files names it didn't look like anything like that
Jan 07 21:21:33 <KotCzarny> https://31.135.195.151:20280/_tools/utf-table.php?offs=126976
Jan 07 21:21:43 <Vajb> hmm i just noticed that apple has .ttf file but hangouts don't
Jan 07 21:21:55 <sicelo-> Vajb: of couse .. the mapping is in the theme file, not the naming of the png files
Jan 07 21:22:34 <KotCzarny> sure enough there are smileys in this utf range. amazing
Jan 07 21:22:39 <KotCzarny> mind boggling.
Jan 07 21:22:51 <KotCzarny> utf consortium is terminally braindead
Jan 07 21:23:13 <KotCzarny> http://31.135.195.151:20280/_tools/utf-table.php?offs=126976
Jan 07 21:23:24 <KotCzarny> sorry, wrong link before
Jan 07 21:23:48 <sicelo-> okay .. microb was complaining about ssl on that first page
Jan 07 21:24:11 <KotCzarny> actual results depend on font used
Jan 07 21:25:01 <Vajb> but how come some themes come with .ttf and some don't?
Jan 07 21:25:37 <KotCzarny> maybe those that do, include fewer pngs
Jan 07 21:26:16 <KotCzarny> -rw-r--r--    1 user     users    69039944 Jun 10  2016 Apple Color Emoji.ttf
Jan 07 21:26:23 <KotCzarny> wth. 70M ttf
Jan 07 21:26:31 <sicelo-> dunno .. .ttf is a font remember .. so those possibly include a specific font for the regular alphabets for example .. while those that don't inlude ttf will simply use system font
Jan 07 21:26:33 <KotCzarny> what the actual hell
Jan 07 21:26:37 <Vajb> about the same
Jan 07 21:27:02 <sicelo-> of course pidgin on n900 is not likely to display that ttf :)
Jan 07 21:27:06 <Vajb> hangouts how ever has 1.1k .pngs and no ttd
Jan 07 21:27:09 <Vajb> ttf
Jan 07 21:27:14 <sicelo-> i suppose you could even delete the ttf
Jan 07 21:27:37 <KotCzarny> maybe app uses ttf for missing symbols
Jan 07 21:28:16 <Vajb> i doubt
Jan 07 21:29:14 <Vajb> for me i seemed that apple and hangouts show pretty much the same, but android was something totally different. More like grayscale smileys
Jan 07 21:29:26 <Vajb> hmm it seemed*
Jan 07 21:32:34 <Vajb> oh and in the other notes, i blew the auction of T410. Were toolate with my offer because i didn't have account in hand...
Jan 07 22:07:24 <KotCzarny> no worries, will find another, cheaper
Jan 07 22:07:26 <KotCzarny> for sure
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