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Jan 09 03:00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ARRRGH!!!! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6134006/are-table-names-in-mysql-case-sensitive
Jan 09 03:05:50 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia devels, once more. They really never will get their shit sorted with case sensitivity
Jan 09 03:09:41 <DocScrutinizer05> camera-ui anybody? where storing photos broke thanks to maemo creating an uppercase dir but trying to write to a lowercase dir, which *only* works on DOS filesystems, but for sure not on ext3 or somesuch
Jan 09 03:11:38 <DocScrutinizer05> you still see the fallout of devels learning "computer" on MS crap every day, when you e.g. look at *.jpg vs *.JPG
Jan 09 03:13:10 <DocScrutinizer05> don't get me started about 8.3
Jan 09 03:16:01 <DocScrutinizer05> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.3_filename
Jan 09 06:04:49 <fishbulb> what is wrong with you
Jan 09 10:43:10 <buZz> is that official nokia case any good?
Jan 09 10:43:13 <buZz> the CP-321
Jan 09 10:44:23 <KotCzarny> its a case, not even a security latch
Jan 09 10:44:43 <KotCzarny> only positive factor it's the size of n900
Jan 09 10:47:03 <buZz> hmhm
Jan 09 10:47:16 <KotCzarny> so it might be a tight fit
Jan 09 10:47:20 <buZz> any other recommendations? its mostly just for storage, doesnt have to be able to use it from inside
Jan 09 10:47:48 <KotCzarny> what is the use case?
Jan 09 10:47:59 <buZz> 'join pile of other maemo devices'
Jan 09 10:48:00 <buZz> :P
Jan 09 10:48:14 <KotCzarny> not enough data :P
Jan 09 10:49:00 <buZz> :P
Jan 09 10:49:21 <buZz> i have the 770, n800, n810 and n900 , just as collectables
Jan 09 10:49:28 <buZz> all have original nokia cases
Jan 09 10:49:35 <KotCzarny> then surely go for it
Jan 09 10:49:40 <KotCzarny> as its original nokia case
Jan 09 10:49:41 <buZz> ^_^ 
Jan 09 10:50:37 <buZz> its the only nokia case for n900, right?
Jan 09 10:53:54 <buZz> oh, CP-408 is also one .. hmm
Jan 09 10:54:10 <KotCzarny> grab both
Jan 09 10:54:12 <KotCzarny> they are cheap
Jan 09 10:54:31 <buZz> cant find the cp-408 for sale on ebay
Jan 09 10:55:10 <KotCzarny> check amazon
Jan 09 11:08:18 <DocScrutinizer05> cp.408 looks weird - how would you slide it open without the display latching up in the brackets?
Jan 09 11:08:49 <KotCzarny> you dont, you scrap the paint eventually
Jan 09 11:09:04 <DocScrutinizer05> CP-321 looks similarly inconvenient in a different way
Jan 09 11:09:06 <KotCzarny> its mostly for hwkb-less usage
Jan 09 11:14:52 <Michael_a380> I use a Lowepro. It's a camera case, but still a nice fit.
Jan 09 11:16:00 <Michael_a380> yeah, fiddling with a zip all the time
Jan 09 11:18:10 <buZz> CP-321 is ideal i think
Jan 09 11:18:16 <buZz> matches the case i have for N810 
Jan 09 11:23:34 <Michael_a380> Going to soon have a look at this: http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/nerang/phone-accessories/bulk-lot-of-nokia-phone-accessories/1121434332
Jan 09 11:24:48 <Michael_a380> Anything paticular to look out for (valuable), that would make it worthwhile?
Jan 09 11:25:11 <buZz> new batteries :)
Jan 09 11:25:56 <KotCzarny> usb/dcin adapters, >1A chargers
Jan 09 11:26:12 <Michael_a380> It would be all 'old stock', shelf life may not be good for batteries
Jan 09 11:26:20 <KotCzarny> original car charger > any chinese noname crap
Jan 09 11:26:49 <KotCzarny> and other car/bike/case accessories you would use
Jan 09 11:29:29 <fishbulb> how do you get vcard 3.0 to a csv format android can use
Jan 09 11:29:56 <fishbulb> because if you export contacts from n900 it ends up as hundreds of individual .vcf files
Jan 09 11:30:13 <KotCzarny> fishbulb: use bluetooth to transfer all contacts to android phone
Jan 09 11:30:46 <KotCzarny> or just cat *.vcf >../big.vcf and try to load it on android
Jan 09 11:31:25 <fishbulb> use bluetooth?
Jan 09 11:31:44 <fishbulb> I don't think I've ever successfully transferred a file with bluetooth on anything
Jan 09 11:32:00 <KotCzarny> not file. 'share contacts'
Jan 09 11:32:15 <fishbulb> with what?
Jan 09 11:32:57 <Michael_a380> Do you have 2 phones connected with bluetooth?
Jan 09 11:35:30 <Michael_a380> * to each other.
Jan 09 11:36:26 <fishbulb> now I do, surprisingly
Jan 09 11:38:01 <fishbulb> I tried to share the contacts and it failed immediately
Jan 09 11:40:16 <Michael_a380> If my brother finds his Android, I may be able to try it.
Jan 09 11:45:12 <fishbulb> I can pair them but how do I share contacts
Jan 09 11:45:23 <fishbulb> I've tried all the sync and transfer methods
Jan 09 11:45:25 <fishbulb> none worked
Jan 09 11:46:52 <fishbulb> it won't share contacts
Jan 09 11:47:34 <Michael_a380> https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66166
Jan 09 11:49:20 <fishbulb> thanks but that's 5 years ago
Jan 09 11:49:42 <fishbulb> android/google has changed a little bit
Jan 09 11:49:54 <fishbulb> 7 years ago I mean
Jan 09 11:52:44 <Michael_a380> https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95456
Jan 09 11:53:20 <Michael_a380> It's been done before (2015)
Jan 09 11:54:01 <Michael_a380> At least you know, it should be possible
Jan 09 11:54:31 <fishbulb> what is "contacts app"
Jan 09 11:54:57 <fishbulb> that post just says "can you share them via bluetooth with contacts app"
Jan 09 11:55:04 <fishbulb> then "yes"
Jan 09 11:55:08 <fishbulb> contacts app on what
Jan 09 11:55:58 <fishbulb> I've got them paired
Jan 09 11:56:17 <fishbulb> tried "sharing contacts" with the transfer and sync thing in the n900 menu
Jan 09 11:56:22 <fishbulb> the transfer fails all the time
Jan 09 11:56:39 <fishbulb> n900 settings menu
Jan 09 12:04:31 <Michael_a380> So, you went through "Export contacts wizard"?
Jan 09 12:04:35 <Michael_a380> on n900
Jan 09 12:05:10 <fishbulb> yeah it doesn't transfer anything
Jan 09 12:05:21 <fishbulb> the phones are both paired, a galaxy s5 and n900
Jan 09 12:06:09 <fishbulb> I exported the contacts to the sd card, and it's hundreds of individual .vcf files
Jan 09 12:06:27 <fishbulb> exported them as vcard 3.0
Jan 09 12:07:48 <Michael_a380> I only get up to "Export contacts 4/5: Folder and location". The Android doesn't show up for selecting location, for me ATM
Jan 09 12:11:27 <KotCzarny> save to file, then send the file?
Jan 09 12:11:47 <fishbulb> it saves to individual vcard files only
Jan 09 12:12:14 <KotCzarny> did you try the 'cat' trick ?
Jan 09 12:12:20 <fishbulb> which cat trick
Jan 09 12:12:32 <KotCzarny> cat *.vcf > ../big.vcf
Jan 09 12:25:48 <fishbulb> it doesn't work
Jan 09 12:27:41 <Michael_a380> how many contacts to transfer?
Jan 09 12:27:54 <fishbulb> too many to do each one
Jan 09 12:28:40 <fishbulb> a shitload, I've had an n900 forever, this is the first time I've had to transfer any contacts to any other device
Jan 09 12:29:07 <fishbulb> having a phone is critical, unfortunately I need to use android for a while
Jan 09 12:32:20 <Michael_a380> Maybe a bug developed some time. Do you have or know of anyone else with an n900? It may work with a "middle man" (just a guess).
Jan 09 12:32:49 <fishbulb> your random vague guessing isn't really helping
Jan 09 12:33:23 <fishbulb> there are 3 n900's here, is there something specific you're suggesting
Jan 09 12:36:10 <Michael_a380> I would try syncing with another n900 that is closest to original stock. Then see if that phone can sync with the android.
Jan 09 12:37:39 <Michael_a380> Or first see if the other 2 n900_s can sync contacts with the android
Jan 09 13:30:20 <ceene> i was able once to synchronize google contacts even with picture
Jan 09 13:30:26 <ceene> but i don't remember how i did it
Jan 09 13:30:28 <ceene> :(
Jan 09 14:07:32 <fishbulb> I cut the simcard down
Jan 09 14:08:11 <fishbulb> but the n900 doesn't save contacts to sim anyway does it?
Jan 09 14:08:43 <buZz> no phone since the 90s doest that
Jan 09 14:08:44 <buZz> -t
Jan 09 14:08:49 <buZz> it wont fit
Jan 09 14:09:11 <fishbulb> I dunno, it was on some instructions I found
Jan 09 14:10:25 <bencoh> s/90s/smartphones/
Jan 09 14:10:55 <bencoh> even 2000s phones still did, some by default, some by choice
Jan 09 14:21:24 <buZz> anyone wants a N95 ? :P
Jan 09 14:24:13 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks, not anymore
Jan 09 14:24:25 <DocScrutinizer05> though... it's a cool device
Jan 09 14:24:41 <DocScrutinizer05> got a N97 mini for the ECI tests
Jan 09 14:24:48 <buZz> nice
Jan 09 14:24:59 <buZz> i just want a N9 , sender misunderstood ;)
Jan 09 14:47:17 <fishbulb> what do you need an n9 for?
Jan 09 14:48:06 <fishbulb> I have one and I really wish it worked
Jan 09 14:49:14 <fishbulb> there is a chicken/egg recursive loop problem of it needing something before it can install something else
Jan 09 15:10:48 <fishbulb> is an n9 useful to anyone
Jan 09 15:11:48 <fishbulb> I'll trade 2 n900 and one N9 for that motherboard that's coming out
Jan 09 15:25:00 <fishbulb> I'll trade 3 n900 handsets and one n9 for anything
Jan 09 16:56:48 <Vajb> KotCzarny: integrated
Jan 09 17:08:35 <KotCzarny> that also can be good
Jan 09 17:08:55 <KotCzarny> ie. you wont worry about graphics chip desoldering
Jan 09 17:09:04 <KotCzarny> amd running much cooler
Jan 09 17:09:06 <KotCzarny> *and
Jan 09 17:37:06 <Vajb> yup and pefromance wise i looked that it discrete card had only 20 points advantage
Jan 09 17:37:23 <KotCzarny> depends on discrete card
Jan 09 17:37:56 <KotCzarny> on my t500, ati 3650 is ~2x faster than integrated
Jan 09 17:37:58 <Vajb> well the one and only listed in t520 part in wikipedia
Jan 09 17:38:31 <Vajb> nvidia nvs 4500 if recall it right
Jan 09 17:38:32 <KotCzarny> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T520
Jan 09 17:38:39 <KotCzarny> this is the site you should bookmark
Jan 09 17:38:46 <KotCzarny> once you start yourself on thinkpads
Jan 09 17:39:48 <Vajb> 4200 actually
Jan 09 17:40:15 <Vajb> yes it was different wiki but information was accurate enough :)
Jan 09 17:41:14 <KotCzarny> yeah, they look very close in benchmarks
Jan 09 17:42:02 <Vajb> bookmarked btw
Jan 09 17:42:16 <KotCzarny> but for 3d dedicated 1gb is nice
Jan 09 17:43:16 <Vajb> sure thing, but i patted myself on back by thinking that if play it'll be something like BG1
Jan 09 17:43:25 <Vajb> if i*
Jan 09 17:43:54 <KotCzarny> how do you like it so far? was the upgrade noticeable?
Jan 09 17:43:59 <KotCzarny> would you do it again?
Jan 09 17:44:30 <Vajb> well didn't get it yet actually, but bothered seller with one last detail ;)
Jan 09 17:44:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 09 17:45:04 <KotCzarny> get the Type string
Jan 09 17:45:08 <Vajb> he is waiting the transaction to be visible in bank and then sending
Jan 09 17:45:09 <KotCzarny> ie. Type xxxx-yyy
Jan 09 17:45:26 <KotCzarny> it will describe config in detail
Jan 09 17:49:16 <Vajb> i already know most of the details, but i'll let u know when i see it
Jan 09 17:49:45 <Vajb> i did quick comparision in cpuboss and amazingly it should have more bunch than my gf's old laptop
Jan 09 17:49:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 09 17:50:05 <Vajb> didn't tell that to her because she paid more ;)
Jan 09 17:50:26 <KotCzarny> that's why i will never buy new laptop
Jan 09 17:50:26 <Vajb> hmm punch actually
Jan 09 17:50:43 <KotCzarny> brunch
Jan 09 17:50:50 <Vajb> think i wont either
Jan 09 17:51:53 <KotCzarny> silicon gets old, but those old devices would probably work longer than currently sold ones
Jan 09 17:53:23 <Vajb> well if they r anything similiar to modern phones they will
Jan 09 17:53:50 <Vajb> my friends complain that their 2yo old phones became too slow and unresponsive that they had to bought new
Jan 09 17:54:32 <Vajb> cool that site has maintenance manual
Jan 09 17:54:49 <KotCzarny> yes, it has plenty of model specific hacks too
Jan 09 18:09:14 <Vajb> i see that there is 8 different cpu's for this model. If i happen to find say quad core which is mentioned in list. I suppose it just fits and works?
Jan 09 18:09:27 <KotCzarny> yes
Jan 09 18:09:45 <KotCzarny> in t series cpu is socketed
Jan 09 18:19:44 <KotCzarny> you can browse thinkpad forums to see what hackers managed to cram into that model
Jan 09 18:20:49 <KotCzarny> (forum.thinkpads.com)
Jan 09 18:32:26 <Vajb> oh i see. So far i saw just a little difference between cpu's
Jan 09 18:32:55 <KotCzarny> well, some folks were upgrading to quad cores, higher freqs etc
Jan 09 18:33:13 <KotCzarny> if chip has same TDP, it should be safe upgrade
Jan 09 18:34:07 <Vajb> tdp?
Jan 09 18:34:10 <KotCzarny> but since you wouldnt be needing it for serious work even dual core will suffice
Jan 09 18:34:15 <KotCzarny> thermal design power
Jan 09 18:34:30 <KotCzarny> 'how much heat this thingie will radiate'
Jan 09 18:34:38 <Vajb> ah ok
Jan 09 18:35:57 <Vajb> hmm i just realised that there has been full hd version also. I had that on my features whished list, but i dropped it since no offers of such devices
Jan 09 18:41:20 <KotCzarny> if its 1600x900 its also very nice
Jan 09 18:42:18 <Vajb> yup. I suppose it scales down well
Jan 09 18:43:03 <KotCzarny> that's what i have now 1680x1050
Jan 09 18:43:13 <KotCzarny> well, a bit more ;)
Jan 09 18:43:38 <Vajb> yeah slightly
Jan 09 18:47:00 <Vajb> but comparing that to my current laptop makes me happy or atleast wishfull
Jan 09 18:47:17 <Vajb> this has celeron 530
Jan 09 18:50:46 <KotCzarny> http://www.techamok.com/?pid=18168
Jan 09 18:50:48 <KotCzarny> o.O
Jan 09 18:52:33 <KotCzarny> they will get shot 'because it's chinese'. which is a pity if they really want to make good phones
Jan 09 18:53:03 <KotCzarny> though since its only chinese market right now, who knows
Jan 09 18:54:01 <Vajb> that description kinda sounded like the description of my friends new chinese phone...
Jan 09 18:54:48 <KotCzarny> 4gb of ram, 64gb of storage, dual amplifier, snapdragon 430, x6 lte.
Jan 09 18:55:01 <KotCzarny> so much specs wasted on android, eh
Jan 09 18:55:46 <KotCzarny> quick, someone email them about alternative os! just say that we would need open drivers and they have a winner ;)
Jan 09 18:56:27 <Vajb> www.vernee.cc
Jan 09 18:56:59 <Vajb> and it didn't say hwkbd
Jan 09 18:57:18 <KotCzarny> yeah. so another toy
Jan 09 18:57:39 <KotCzarny> and that helio looks like iphone knock off
Jan 09 18:58:23 <Vajb> well to me they all look like each other
Jan 09 18:58:50 <Vajb> too thin to hold properly too wide to fit in jeans pocket
Jan 09 18:59:59 <KotCzarny> too shiny to do anything serious?
Jan 09 19:00:33 <Vajb> impossible to do anything serious
Jan 09 19:01:51 <Vajb> well other than use facebook and instagram
Jan 09 19:02:08 <KotCzarny> and looking at pr0^h^h^hscience
Jan 09 19:02:20 <Vajb> plus whatsap
Jan 09 19:02:45 <Vajb> maybe compete who has fastest cpu
Jan 09 19:36:18 <kerio> why would i want 32GB of ROM
Jan 09 19:36:35 <kerio> has android redefined "ROM" to mean "internal writeable storage"
Jan 09 19:43:25 <sixwheeledbeast^> You wouldn't, but Android may need it.
Jan 09 19:44:55 <KotCzarny> rom as in flashable immutable image
Jan 09 19:45:08 <KotCzarny> what happens then isnt intereesting
Jan 09 19:45:25 <kerio> my only practical experience with android is an android x86 VM running on a server
Jan 09 19:45:29 <kerio> to use whatsapp desktop
Jan 09 19:45:39 <kerio> (works brilliantly, btw)
Jan 09 19:46:00 <KotCzarny> google plans to make it global
Jan 09 19:46:08 <KotCzarny> ie. all data/things on their servers
Jan 09 19:46:19 <KotCzarny> its just that wolrd isnt ready 
Jan 09 19:46:34 <KotCzarny> you cant even store user's data outside native country
Jan 09 19:46:42 <kerio> nah, whatsapp has actual security
Jan 09 19:46:53 <kerio> it's not a google product
Jan 09 19:47:20 <kerio> i mean, not thanks to whatsapp or facebook
Jan 09 19:47:32 <kerio> they just grabbed moxie and told him to turn whatsapp into signal
Jan 09 19:57:43 <sixwheeledbeast^> "actual security" whatsapp was known to have poor encryption, hence all the broken third party apps over the years.
Jan 09 20:00:06 <kerio> yeah
Jan 09 20:00:19 <kerio> that's why they grabbed moxie and told him "do your thing"
Jan 09 20:00:24 <kerio> and then he did the thing
Jan 09 20:39:42 <KotCzarny> https://cyph.ws
Jan 09 20:39:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 09 20:50:24 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I think the odd definition of "ROM" is older than Android
Jan 09 20:50:37 <DocScrutinizer05> but it's indeed exactly< what you suspect
Jan 09 20:51:14 <DocScrutinizer05> "ROM" means basically what we call rootfs
Jan 09 20:51:25 <kerio> but it's not read only :<
Jan 09 20:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or "combined"
Jan 09 20:51:36 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jan 09 20:51:48 <DocScrutinizer05> idiots
Jan 09 20:52:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder if and when they will make a hacked "ROM" for my S60
Jan 09 20:53:25 <KotCzarny> kerio, you cant mount fiasco image, you have to rebuild
Jan 09 20:53:30 <KotCzarny> in that sense its ro
Jan 09 20:53:35 <kerio> huh
Jan 09 20:53:46 <kerio> no, that android phone has a 32gb emmc
Jan 09 20:53:52 <kerio> aiui
Jan 09 20:54:15 <KotCzarny> anyway, 'rom' is a buzzword
Jan 09 20:54:26 <buZz> oh?
Jan 09 20:54:27 <KotCzarny> and it doesnt mean anything it was meant originally
Jan 09 20:54:40 * buZz flashes to KotCzarny 
Jan 09 20:54:44 * KotCzarny yawns
Jan 09 20:55:06 <KotCzarny> sleepy time, nite folks!
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