**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 10 03:00:02 2017 Jan 10 05:47:58 What's the best 'fold / flip / clamshell' phone? Jan 10 05:49:04 Dad hates touch screens. Jan 10 05:57:30 i would say nokia e90 Jan 10 06:06:04 best depends on personal views Jan 10 06:06:49 if one has big fingers, there are 'senior phones' Jan 10 06:06:53 etc Jan 10 07:09:51 Michael_a380: Dragonbox Pyra? Jan 10 09:37:08 hi Jan 10 09:56:38 meh, why doesnt the application manager have 'search' Jan 10 09:56:56 apt-cache Jan 10 09:56:58 ? Jan 10 09:57:19 buzz, have you tried just starting typing? Jan 10 09:58:08 oh i havent Jan 10 09:58:29 dang, so simple, ty :D Jan 10 10:01:04 buzz: same goes for contacts/call log etc Jan 10 10:01:59 hmhm, i dont use a simcard in it, so dont use that, but thanks :D Jan 10 10:33:18 hi all, I'm trying to install a package but somehow espeak dependencies are broken :/ Jan 10 10:33:26 (too new versions available to what is needed) Jan 10 10:34:04 compile everything from sources? Jan 10 10:34:23 :/ Jan 10 10:55:44 dreamer: try apt-cache search and see if the version u need is in some repo and then just disable others Jan 10 10:59:44 Vajb: I don't see it being in different repos Jan 10 10:59:57 ie. all versiens that 'apt-cache show' gives are the same repo afaict Jan 10 11:01:35 apt-cache policy ? Jan 10 11:14:55 ah i meant what bencoh said Jan 10 12:15:13 let me rant a bit about apt-cache policy still broken in that it doesn't show full info Jan 10 12:16:47 hmm, maybe I'm wrong? Jan 10 12:17:24 what kind of full info? Jan 10 12:17:31 only showing the domain name? yeah that's awful Jan 10 12:17:39 it doesn't show complete repository url, but yeah Jan 10 12:18:00 hey, dont scare the users Jan 10 12:18:08 too much info can make them scream Jan 10 12:19:15 aah now Jan 10 12:19:24 exactly what bencoh said Jan 10 12:20:31 friggin pointless when your URL is always just "maemo.org" or somesuch Jan 10 12:20:52 deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free Jan 10 12:20:53 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free Jan 10 12:22:27 IroN900:~# apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr Jan 10 12:22:29 mp-fremantle-community-pr: Jan 10 12:22:35 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages Jan 10 12:22:45 KTNXFU Jan 10 12:24:13 weird, app manager didnt show me updates available Jan 10 12:24:20 yet, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade does Jan 10 12:24:30 (and replaces the kernel with a stupid version , pff) Jan 10 12:24:39 buZz: that's *exactly* the point Jan 10 12:24:53 the point of what? Jan 10 12:24:56 buZz: don't mess with apt when you want to do updates Jan 10 12:25:06 ah too later :P Jan 10 12:25:07 -r Jan 10 12:25:24 dont seem to have broken anything though Jan 10 12:26:48 you will only notice later on Jan 10 12:26:48 so, which kernel you have now? Jan 10 12:26:56 did you check it survived the reboot? ;) Jan 10 12:27:01 the '53' power thingy Jan 10 12:27:14 power53 is good Jan 10 12:27:26 to start with: Jan 10 12:27:28 IroN900:~# ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Jan 10 12:27:30 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-10-30 12:39 /etc/apt/sources.list Jan 10 12:27:31 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 333 2017-01-08 21:56 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Jan 10 12:27:49 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l unknown Jan 10 12:28:19 you might want to have a peek at Jan 10 12:28:23 ~jrtools Jan 10 12:28:23 jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 10 12:28:27 DocScrutinizer05: similar, mine's bigger though Jan 10 12:29:00 the hildon-app-man.list has ; https://hastebin.com/amokanusav.nginx Jan 10 12:29:57 pastebin that doesnt work without js? no, thanks :P Jan 10 12:30:12 KotCzarny: here; https://hastebin.com/raw/amokanusav Jan 10 12:30:19 its exactly why interwebs are broken today Jan 10 12:30:34 and why out n900's browser is not enough Jan 10 12:30:54 dont enable extras-devel and do upgrades Jan 10 12:30:59 its dangerous Jan 10 12:31:05 :) Jan 10 12:31:19 * buZz blindfolded running towards walls Jan 10 12:31:27 in a 'i havent checked if it works, but uploaded anyway, enjoy!' Jan 10 12:31:30 way Jan 10 12:31:33 :D Jan 10 12:37:23 maybe we should upload some broken system package replacement that will show people its bad? Jan 10 12:37:39 and display big 'you did bad' on reboot Jan 10 12:38:17 oh nice, maybe i did bad :D Jan 10 12:38:41 blinking and with bright colors too Jan 10 12:43:55 you most probably do NOT want http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/ repo Jan 10 12:44:53 ah, yeah. that too Jan 10 12:45:18 and you must not do apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade) when http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel is enabled Jan 10 12:46:29 we've seen several times packages from the latter replaced and borked fubar a system package Jan 10 12:47:28 I've probably done apt-get update Jan 10 12:47:43 update only gets indexes Jan 10 12:48:34 upgrade calculates which packages to install/change Jan 10 12:50:28 I still don't really understand why apt-get upgrade shows already up-to-date packets, btw Jan 10 12:50:43 bencoh: does it? Jan 10 12:50:49 thanks Jan 10 12:50:50 upDATE is absolutely OK and even mandatory. It only reads in the new packages.list Jan 10 12:50:57 KotCzarny: when overriding packets with manually installed dpkgs, yes Jan 10 12:51:10 even if package version is the same Jan 10 12:51:15 are you sure those packages are the EXACT versions? Jan 10 12:51:22 ahm Jan 10 12:51:24 that's what policy says Jan 10 12:51:27 and I compared to dpkg -l Jan 10 12:51:35 it's even worse than that Jan 10 12:51:39 bencoh: a apt-cache policy on the particular package may help Jan 10 12:51:49 never saw that issue tbh Jan 10 12:52:03 DocScrutinizer05: see 5 latest lines ;) Jan 10 12:52:30 your last 5 lines are clearly a response to some filtered stuff I don't see Jan 10 12:52:31 so, it's worse than that. let's say I rebuilt some package, installed it using dpkg Jan 10 12:52:58 then reinstall original package, using apt-get Jan 10 12:53:15 you should change version string if it was built using different options Jan 10 12:53:19 upgrade will still show me said package as upgradable Jan 10 12:54:30 it's as if at some point cache got borked Jan 10 12:55:00 HAM has priorities Jan 10 12:55:14 so has apt-get Jan 10 12:55:23 I'm not all that sure apt has those too, and if it does if they work exactly same way Jan 10 12:56:14 actually I'm not sure HAM has :> Jan 10 12:56:32 but apt sure does Jan 10 12:56:45 ham might use it through apt, dunno Jan 10 12:57:04 HAM uses apt via a lib Jan 10 12:57:20 yeah I mean, the "priority" thing Jan 10 12:57:27 but HAM does a comprehensive re-definition of several working dirs Jan 10 12:57:47 iirc Jan 10 12:58:05 even cache might differ between apt-get and HAM Jan 10 12:58:09 I'd have to read speedyham code, some day Jan 10 12:58:12 maybe Jan 10 12:58:16 doubt that but who knows Jan 10 12:59:11 please give me a full pathname of a file in cache Jan 10 13:01:37 nevermind Jan 10 13:01:51 http://paste.opensuse.org/30609282 Jan 10 13:01:55 no idea Jan 10 13:02:30 I'm pretty sure during system update HAM creates some possibly temporary dirs on emmc Jan 10 13:04:30 hildon-application-manager-config dump Jan 10 13:05:16 http://paste.opensuse.org/47151856 Jan 10 13:09:33 very enlightening: http://paste.opensuse.org/3593533 Jan 10 13:12:40 IroN900:~# ls -l /etc/hildon-application-manager/ Jan 10 13:12:42 insgesamt 12 Jan 10 13:12:43 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2017 2017-01-08 21:56 catalogues Jan 10 13:12:44 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12 2009-10-07 17:11 notifier Jan 10 13:12:46 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12 2012-09-11 15:36 settings Jan 10 13:15:53 * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders if http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs really does a comprehensive and decent job Jan 10 13:25:28 though it takes care about /etc/hildon-application-manager/, so yes I prolly knew about that stuff when writing it Jan 10 13:35:55 anyway the general rule "**never do apt-get upgrade od apt-get dist-upgrade" applies and I've never seen issues when strictly following that Jan 10 13:37:18 except when e.g. manually forcing procps into system and thus apt refuses to do *anything* from then on, since it says there are dependency conflicts you should fix by apt-get -f (which btw doesn't fix anything either) Jan 10 13:37:26 maybe, we could patch apt-get to just not do that by default? Jan 10 13:37:35 ~jrtools Jan 10 13:37:36 it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 10 13:37:40 replace the commands with reallyupgrade or reallydist-upgrade Jan 10 13:37:55 covers that Jan 10 13:38:23 it only blocks dist-upgrade, not upgrade Jan 10 13:38:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#Miniwrapper_for_apt-get_logs. Jan 10 13:38:46 yep Jan 10 13:38:49 it only blocks dist-upgrade, not upgrade :) Jan 10 13:39:35 afaict upgrade works Jan 10 13:39:55 apart from the fact that it might mistake up-to-date packages to ones needing upgrade Jan 10 13:40:00 but it won't break an install Jan 10 13:40:10 (unlike dist-upgrade, which will break your system) Jan 10 13:40:20 s/to ones/for ones/ Jan 10 13:40:31 well seems to depend on which repos are enabled Jan 10 13:42:37 I have pinned extras-devel/extras-testing, and it still works ;) Jan 10 13:43:09 I just didn't blindly add -devel with no pinning, that's all Jan 10 13:43:50 how will you install a package from extras-devel when same package is in extras in an older version? Jan 10 13:44:46 DocScrutinizer05: package=42.12-foobar Jan 10 13:45:05 total freedom :) Jan 10 13:45:28 Hi! I'm wondering: what does SailfishOS currently use for accessing the phone memory via USB? Mass storage? MTP? SFTP? Jan 10 13:45:43 you always need to decide manually somehow (either via pinning the particular package if that is feasible, by providing exact version in apt-get install pkg:version, or by (recommended) only temporarily enabling extras-devel for a few installs but *never* keep it enabled for upgrade or dist-upgrade or HAM up'dates') Jan 10 13:46:40 marmistrz: hi! long time no see :-) I don't think many sailfish experts around here Jan 10 13:46:44 marmistrz: good question, I guess someone might know the answer on sfos chan :) Jan 10 13:48:19 :) Jan 10 13:48:37 thanks! Jan 10 13:49:41 ((only temporarily enabling extras-devel for a few installs)) additional rationale: you not always want to update to newest (possibly broken) version in extras-devel, when there's a new version getting pushed there Jan 10 13:50:05 DocScrutinizer05: which is why pinning is a good solution Jan 10 13:50:16 anyway, prolly a matter of taste Jan 10 13:50:25 I don't know how pinning works exactly, and on which level Jan 10 13:52:48 very natural procedure: enable-catalogs all; #startup HAM, check "update" and decide which packages you want to update from extras-devel *manually*, do NOT do "update all" (button at top of list); enable-catalogs basic. Jan 10 13:53:59 alternatively to HAM in the above, you may use apt-get install, but NEVER apt-get upgrade Jan 10 13:59:50 http://paste.opensuse.org/72803604 shows how upgrade doesn't care and would upgrade all, shows how apt-cache policy is a PITA since it doesn't really tell which repo the packages come from, and leaves me puzzled to whether I got latest CSSU installed and if this failed to upgrade ssh to a fixed version Jan 10 14:00:57 *and* shows that you always need to be alert, and never forget to do apt-get update after switching catalogs ;-) Jan 10 14:05:57 meh, no changes, only a mess of intransparent stuff Jan 10 14:06:46 I guess I should simply install CSSU-T over all that again Jan 10 14:07:27 really I'm down to just guessing - aka i'm lost Jan 10 14:07:58 ~cssu Jan 10 14:07:59 cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Jan 10 14:09:38 http://paste.opensuse.org/86635780 FFS! Jan 10 14:09:46 this is latest Jan 10 14:10:53 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 (11.04.2015) http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog Jan 10 14:11:46 so why the f*** is >> openssl Upgrade to upstream 0.9.8zf + maemo patches<< not up to date on my system? Jan 10 14:17:08 because you didn't upgrade? :D Jan 10 14:17:30 I obviously did, see http://paste.opensuse.org/86635780 Jan 10 14:17:34 mine is uptodate Jan 10 14:19:23 http://paste.opensuse.org/20930358 Jan 10 14:20:55 hmm, looks like I don't have mp-fremantle-community-pr at all Jan 10 14:20:58 (on stable) Jan 10 14:21:09 I mean, it's not installed here Jan 10 14:21:31 cheater :P Jan 10 14:21:54 no idea why/how Jan 10 14:22:20 maybe you have ran into some troubles and removed it Jan 10 14:22:25 maybe Jan 10 14:23:06 considering its dependencies I don't really see why I'd have done that though Jan 10 14:23:25 experimented with weird packages? Jan 10 14:23:48 http://paste.opensuse.org/86961458 Jan 10 14:24:07 try apt-get install to see what it would change (but press ctrl-c before actually doing it) Jan 10 14:24:12 KotCzarny: maybe, but still, mp doesn't seem to specify dependency versions Jan 10 14:24:39 which would explain why DocScrutinizer05 doing install on it doesn't change a thing Jan 10 14:24:44 but sometimes it requires packages that are conflicting with some gnu-* ones Jan 10 14:25:34 s/dependency versions/recent dependency versions/, in his case Jan 10 14:25:41 openssl (>= 0.9.8n-1+maemo4+0m5+0cssu1) Jan 10 14:25:56 might be a bug in Tmaemo11 Jan 10 14:26:22 stable shows 0.9.8zf alright Jan 10 14:26:51 Package: mp-fremantle-community-pr Version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 depends on ... libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8zf-1+maemo1+0m5+0cssu0), Jan 10 14:27:34 DocScrutinizer05: where does that thing in your pastebin comes from then? Jan 10 14:27:42 my system says Package: mp-fremantle-community-pr Version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 is installed but libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8zf-1+maemo1+0m5+0cssu0) isn't Jan 10 14:28:08 apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr Jan 10 14:28:27 which btw is a PITA Jan 10 14:30:27 did somebody reintroduce ">=" despite maemo's apt is broken and can't handle those relations? Or did that get fixed or I'm dreaming the whole issue up? Jan 10 14:32:21 im still on stock and have 0.9.8n Jan 10 14:32:22 :) Jan 10 14:33:07 merlin1991: ^^^^^ Jan 10 14:39:15 DocScrutinizer05: where does http://paste.opensuse.org/86961458 come from? Jan 10 14:39:28 because it explicitely mentions 0.9.8n Jan 10 14:41:14 http://paste.opensuse.org/74734630 Jan 10 14:42:04 where that comes from? it's IroN900 shell Jan 10 14:43:10 and it does mention what? Jan 10 14:44:34 http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/10/plasma-desktopj17764.png Jan 10 14:46:02 bencoh: I guess I don't get your question, please rephrase Jan 10 14:53:51 ooooh wait, openssl0.98 vs LIBssl0.98 Jan 10 14:54:10 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks a little Jan 10 14:59:08 act is: apt-get upgrade as well as apt-cache policy tell me Installed: 0.9.8n-1+maemo4+0m5+0cssu1 Candidate: 0.9.8zf-1+maemo1+0m5+0cssu0, while I got cssu-t11 installed which on changelog claims it did that update Jan 10 14:59:16 fact* even Jan 10 15:00:32 so wtf *is* openssl? Jan 10 15:01:05 \o/ Jan 10 15:01:07 IroN900:~# openssl --version Jan 10 15:01:09 openssl:Error: '--version' is an invalid command. Jan 10 15:01:14 :) Jan 10 15:01:28 sounds like you have closedssl Jan 10 15:02:00 IroN900:~# openssl version Jan 10 15:02:01 OpenSSL 0.9.8n 24 Mar 2010 (Library: OpenSSL 0.9.8zf 19 Mar 2015) Jan 10 15:02:24 now that looks pretty much to the point Jan 10 15:02:41 i have zh :-/ Jan 10 15:02:52 while `apt-cache policy openssl` gives me headache Jan 10 15:05:46 ah, from -devel Jan 10 15:13:43 zh for what? lib or executable? Jan 10 15:19:23 openssl Jan 10 15:20:43 openssl: Installed: 0.9.8zh-1+maemo1+0m5+0cssu0 Candidate: 0.9.8zh-1+maemo1+0m5+0cssu0 Jan 10 15:21:42 anyway HAM doesn't show me any updates, *until* I go to settings and "[x]show all packages" "[x]show magic system package" "[ ]ignore packages from wrong domains" Jan 10 15:22:57 that zh is in devel though (and i didn't know about such HAM options) Jan 10 15:23:19 then a magic makes openssl appear: 0.9.8n -> 0.9.8zf Jan 10 15:23:32 where is this option? "[x]show all packages" "[x]show magic system package" "[ ]ignore packages from wrong domains" Jan 10 15:23:40 i don't see it in HAM here Jan 10 15:24:28 red pill mode :-) Jan 10 15:24:35 ah Jan 10 15:25:01 you should see "[ ] enable red pill mode" I guess Jan 10 15:26:05 i've never used RedPill mode .. that's a flasher thing, right? Jan 10 15:26:25 it enables those additional option in HAM Jan 10 15:26:38 and that's all it does Jan 10 15:26:53 yes, but how do you even get into Red Pill mode? flasher? Jan 10 15:27:16 you should see "[ ] enable red pill mode" I guess Jan 10 15:27:35 well i don't see anything like that Jan 10 15:27:57 iirc it (red pill mode option) is enabled in CSSU-HAM Jan 10 15:28:03 ~redpill Jan 10 15:28:09 hmm... redpill is http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode Jan 10 15:28:30 which packet gets me the 'ip' tool? Jan 10 15:28:42 iproute2 or busybox-gnu or something Jan 10 15:28:56 but watch out when replacing standard tools Jan 10 15:30:10 http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode#Activating Jan 10 15:31:45 buZz: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=iputil&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same Jan 10 15:33:00 so, neither? :D Jan 10 15:33:23 http://maemo.org/packages/view/traceroute/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/iproute/ etc Jan 10 15:33:42 prolly neither, don't know. Let me know if you find it Jan 10 15:34:55 it's not like 2ip" is a particularly nice searchstring ;-) Jan 10 15:35:01 "ip" even Jan 10 15:35:37 try http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=ip&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same and gave fun Jan 10 15:35:43 buzz, check apt-cache search ip2 (but i guess its in iproute) Jan 10 15:37:10 hmhm, apt-get install iproute Jan 10 15:37:22 it wasnt in app manager though :( Jan 10 15:42:24 http://maemo.org/packages/view/iproute/ Jan 10 15:42:31 aah you already found it Jan 10 15:42:57 no, HAM doesn't usually show cmdline tools Jan 10 15:43:16 you need redpill mode if you want that Jan 10 15:43:40 the idea is to use apt-get install for cmdline tools, since this is also cmdline Jan 10 15:44:23 install GUI tools via HAM GUI, install cmdline tools via apt-get install cmdline Jan 10 15:44:35 cool cool Jan 10 15:44:37 makes sense? Jan 10 15:45:11 i guess :P Jan 10 15:45:31 not like me disagreeing would change anything ;) Jan 10 15:46:00 whyt you can find in HAM are the tools to *access* cmdline, kike ssh(d), xterm etc Jan 10 15:46:15 like* Jan 10 15:53:36 btw for red pill mode: catalogs: 'new' "URL: 'matrix'" cancel, still works Jan 10 15:54:41 which is sort of cute ;-) Jan 10 15:54:58 * DocScrutinizer05 loves easter eggs Jan 10 16:01:31 to those who love hacking away with web services, autobuilders, midgard, servers at large etc: http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssl/ (as well as all other packages there) lacks integration of CSSU when there's a package released via CSSU(-T|-S) Jan 10 16:02:05 like http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/openssl/0.9.8g-15maemo4+0m5/ http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/ Jan 10 16:03:29 * DocScrutinizer05 is still lost as to where from that mysterious openssl-0.9.8zf package comes from Jan 10 16:07:20 from cssu? Jan 10 16:09:58 hmm prolly, I guess so Jan 10 16:10:39 I'm terribly bad with repositories, git, and similar stuff. Also not exactly an apt expert Jan 10 16:11:39 I'm trying to understand why there's an openssl-0.9.8z and if or if not it should have been included to last CSSU-T metapackage for update Jan 10 16:11:57 openssl-0.9.8zf even Jan 10 16:12:56 I *guess* CSSU has no nice web interface in http://maemo.org/packages/ since it also has no autobuilder Jan 10 16:13:48 so I'm lost to investigate stuff with CSSU since such web interface is generally my only known approach to what's going on Jan 10 16:14:32 I don't even know the sourcecode repo URL of CSSU Jan 10 16:14:54 DocScrutinizer05: it is in cssu Jan 10 16:15:07 openssl-zf that is Jan 10 16:15:17 :nod: assumed as much Jan 10 16:17:04 https://github.com/community-ssu/openssl/commits/master Jan 10 16:17:10 hmm, there is something weird Jan 10 16:17:35 why is that stuff on github and not on maemo.org? Jan 10 16:18:00 where on maemo.org? Jan 10 16:19:00 :> Jan 10 16:19:18 err, you're serious? Jan 10 16:21:41 ok, let's say garage Jan 10 16:22:27 DocScrutinizer05: because cssu has never been there - it was on gitorious, then moved to github Jan 10 16:22:56 yeah, that doesn't answer my question though :-) Jan 10 16:23:25 it just feels strange Jan 10 16:23:45 18:17 < freemangordon> hmm, there is something weird Jan 10 16:23:49 what's weird? Jan 10 16:23:55 then, maemo never *really* provided a consistent sourcode repo infra for everything Jan 10 16:24:37 bencoh: there is no zf in the repo Jan 10 16:24:59 http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/puzzle-master/1.2.2/ Jan 10 16:25:10 fmg, maybe in testing/thumb2? Jan 10 16:25:19 enphasis on *source* Jan 10 16:25:26 freemangordon: wtf? :D Jan 10 16:25:38 well maybe I built mine from source? :D Jan 10 16:26:04 (I have a hybrid stable with homebrew packages) Jan 10 16:26:09 but ignore me, I'm a real noob and prolly a pain to discuss with when it comes to repos and git and stuff Jan 10 16:26:10 or you get it from cssu-devel Jan 10 16:26:15 bencoh, doc also had zf version of the lib Jan 10 16:26:26 freemangordon: nah I don't install from -devel Jan 10 16:26:36 DocScrutinizer05: gathered that already :D Jan 10 16:26:40 (no offense :p) Jan 10 16:26:49 none taken :-D I mean it Jan 10 16:27:12 https://github.com/community-ssu/openssl/tree/thumb-testing Jan 10 16:27:14 has zh Jan 10 16:27:30 well, in cssu-devel is zf as well, so NFC where you got that from :) Jan 10 16:27:37 sorry, zh Jan 10 16:27:57 freemangordon: http://repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/o/openssl/libssl-dev_0.9.8zf-1%2bmaemo1%2b0m5%2b0cssu0_armel.deb Jan 10 16:28:03 aah, wait, zh is NEVWER than zf Jan 10 16:28:08 looks like zf alright Jan 10 16:28:09 yeah Jan 10 16:28:11 *NEWER Jan 10 16:28:20 so everything is fine then Jan 10 16:28:23 :) Jan 10 16:28:24 in ascii order, h > f :D Jan 10 16:28:29 yeah Jan 10 16:28:30 unlike qwerty order Jan 10 16:28:37 apart from still being 0.9.8 and not 1.x ;) Jan 10 16:28:37 strike that Jan 10 16:28:43 even in qwerty order :D Jan 10 16:29:08 it is about -12deg here, I suspect my brain is frozen :) Jan 10 16:29:21 you need more ethanol as an antifreeze Jan 10 16:29:44 looks like Jan 10 16:29:58 which reminds me... Jan 10 16:30:32 freemangordon: still, why is there a openssl that's newer than the latest openssl (not) installed by CSSU-T11? Jan 10 16:30:53 because it is in cssu-devel Jan 10 16:31:02 remeber devel->testing->stable Jan 10 16:31:09 *remember Jan 10 16:31:33 no, I don't know of any cssu-devel I ever touched, still my apt-get wants to install the openssl-0.9.8zf Jan 10 16:31:52 DocScrutinizer05: ask cssu maintainer, I have no idea Jan 10 16:32:08 or....wait Jan 10 16:32:13 so openssl-0.9.8zf must be in cssu-t repo Jan 10 16:32:14 it wants to install zf? Jan 10 16:32:40 it is ok then, as that was the version supposed to go int -testing some 1-y years ago Jan 10 16:32:53 freemangordon: http://paste.opensuse.org/74734630 Jan 10 16:32:54 1-2 years Jan 10 16:33:40 freemangordon: no it's not ok, since as you say >>supposed to go int -testing<< but isn't in cssu-t11 MP Jan 10 16:33:57 dunno, ask the maintainers Jan 10 16:34:39 keep in mind we have new maintainer, maybe he just overlooked it Jan 10 16:35:20 umm, see http://paste.opensuse.org/74734630 line8 Jan 10 16:35:45 yeah Jan 10 16:36:22 I just don't understand if maybe all is fine and cssu-t repo indeed is supposed to provide newer version of stuff that were not included in last metapackage upgrade Jan 10 16:36:57 new maintainer hasn't officially released a new version iirc Jan 10 16:37:05 after all user is _not_ supposed to ever run apt-get upgrade aiui Jan 10 16:37:47 it's prolly more a question about policies Jan 10 16:38:01 yes, there is still no official release afaik, I guess guys are preparing release Jan 10 16:38:05 what the cssu architects defined how cssu shall work Jan 10 16:38:09 but it is moving slow Jan 10 16:38:41 DocScrutinizer05: the "official" way to uptade is through HAM and mp- thingie Jan 10 16:38:45 might be a perfectly normal thing to add new packages after last MP release Jan 10 16:38:56 no, it is not Jan 10 16:39:02 see ^^^ Jan 10 16:39:18 sorry I don't get it Jan 10 16:40:10 >>add new packages after last MP release<< is something devels do, while >>uptade is through HAM and mp- thingie<< is a thing users do Jan 10 16:41:10 just a second Jan 10 16:41:21 so I don't see why a devel adding a new package can't be something normal Jan 10 16:42:01 it's a question if according to CSSU policies this is sth devels are allowed to do or not Jan 10 16:42:47 I had no problem with the openssl-0.9.8zf in HAM, only in apt-get upgrade which is deprecated anyway Jan 10 16:45:31 what looks weird is CSSU-T changelog that clearly claims openssl got updated, NOT libssl Jan 10 16:45:32 sorry, had a phone call Jan 10 16:45:37 np :-) Jan 10 16:46:20 openssl clearly isn't updated via cssu-t11 MP Jan 10 16:46:23 DocScrutinizer05: openssl zf depends on libssl zf Jan 10 16:46:28 so it should eventually work Jan 10 16:47:11 err, strike that Jan 10 16:47:17 bencoh: that's no problem since libssl *got* updated via cssu-t11, but _not_ openssl Jan 10 16:48:12 my openssl still works, see >> IroN900:~# openssl version OpenSSL 0.9.8n 24 Mar 2010 (Library: OpenSSL 0.9.8zf 19 Mar 2015)<< Jan 10 16:48:15 DocScrutinizer05: you don;t realy need openssl afaik Jan 10 16:48:28 this is something you installed by hand Jan 10 16:48:39 its just that on normal systems openssl is bundled with libssl Jan 10 16:48:40 so you should upgrade it by hand as well Jan 10 16:48:42 oooh. this might be it indeed Jan 10 16:48:49 :-D Jan 10 16:48:53 ;) Jan 10 16:49:07 wow Jan 10 16:49:07 mystery revealed :) Jan 10 16:49:15 thanks a megaton! :-) Jan 10 16:52:04 huhu Jan 10 16:52:29 hmmm, >>grep openssl installed-aps.sh<< doesn't yield hits, so... This doesn't mean I'm sure I didn't install manually. It's just a string indication I didn't install it manually via "apt-get install openssl" with my apt wrapper in place Jan 10 16:53:08 might however gotten pulled in as a dependency by another package Jan 10 16:54:06 who knows... maybe it's now the moment to shrug and get dinner istead Jan 10 16:54:11 instead* Jan 10 16:56:35 maybe the "WARNING" in there is relevant? http://paste.opensuse.org/17456971 Jan 10 17:00:36