**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 11 03:00:02 2017 Jan 11 06:37:06 frewrt multiarch, seems not so hard/doable Jan 11 06:37:28 freemangordon: wrt multiarch, seems not so hard/doable Jan 11 06:54:54 Is it only me, or is it difficult to login to maemo.org? Jan 11 07:04:30 Kisstester : urllib2.URLError: Jan 11 07:05:17 Testing the tester ;-) Jan 11 07:34:52 hi Jan 11 07:48:35 testing the kisser? Jan 11 07:48:50 kissing the tester? Jan 11 08:08:57 Lawl... Testing the KISStester . Seriously, does it log you into maemo.org, or does it give the same error? Jan 11 08:09:14 kisstester? what's that? Jan 11 08:10:01 App. Written in Python. For sending feedback for extras-testing Jan 11 08:13:30 Like, instead of firing up web browser and wrestling with tiny links, there is a dedicated app with touch-friendly buttons Jan 11 08:14:26 Not like I can use it much when it refuses to log me in because of some EOF Jan 11 08:15:51 And : Helium requires some Qt Components or something. .. Without specifying them properly in deb as a dependency Jan 11 08:17:33 maybe other side isnt implemented yet Jan 11 08:21:38 Well, what other side? When I try to open Helium, it gives error about lacking module com.nokia.meego or whatever. No idea which package is responsible for it, but if it exists, it should be specified as dependency. Jan 11 08:31:31 Could it be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/965371 ? Jan 11 08:33:58 com.nokia.meego maybe qt-meego-components (or something like that) Jan 11 14:33:34 KotCzarny: was it compliance id u were asking? Jan 11 14:33:45 nope Jan 11 14:33:58 it's string like this: Type xxxx-yyy Jan 11 14:36:11 4243-W2A Jan 11 14:40:25 http://pastebin.com/raw/fzTWCdLq Jan 11 14:41:59 so i guess only new info is that it should have one ram slot free and has f5521gw gsm card Jan 11 14:42:33 yes 3g was mentioned in auction post Jan 11 14:42:36 unless it was changed by the user in the meantime, then auction description is overriding it Jan 11 14:43:10 is there three ram slots or two? Jan 11 14:43:16 should be two Jan 11 14:43:32 because i think it has 2x4gb now Jan 11 14:43:45 then someone added one 4gb stick Jan 11 14:44:57 it was for sale with only 4gb and i said to seller "shame that it didn't have 8gb, then i would pay what u asked" and he responded "well actuially it had 8gb when i was using it, i can put it back Jan 11 14:45:16 he he Jan 11 14:45:33 hence i assume 2x4 Jan 11 14:46:19 but looking at pictures, one slot is under kb and other is on the bottom Jan 11 14:49:34 outside by look it seems to be very good condition. No cracks or dents. Didn't start it up yet, i'll let it warm up a bit first Jan 11 14:49:56 :) Jan 11 14:50:11 spill resistant kbrd is cool Jan 11 14:50:14 those things often were sitting in various offices Jan 11 14:50:21 so usually not much wear Jan 11 14:50:47 yeah Jan 11 14:51:09 btw does multitouch mean that touchpad recognizes multiple touches? Jan 11 14:51:16 most likely Jan 11 14:51:20 yes Jan 11 14:51:30 im not a fan of touchpad, prefer the clit-stick Jan 11 14:51:31 like one can pinch to zoom out etc Jan 11 14:51:32 ;) Jan 11 14:51:35 yes Jan 11 14:51:41 cool Jan 11 14:51:59 seems like im getting to this decade with laptops Jan 11 14:52:04 for typing/mouse actions, clit stick is much faster Jan 11 14:52:21 ie. it doesnt require your hand to move from kb Jan 11 14:52:40 you still need OS support or multitouch is just like a 12 button mouse: cool but pointless Jan 11 14:52:45 clitstick? That red tap inbetween g,h and b? Jan 11 14:52:49 yeah Jan 11 14:53:09 never seen any :D Jan 11 14:53:15 hello all, I install to nginx, mysql and php but nginx is not support to PHP. I don't understand to problem Jan 11 14:53:16 proper name is trackpoint Jan 11 14:53:34 mueddib: are you sure its the right channel? Jan 11 14:53:37 DocScrutinizer05: planning to keep included win7 for starters atleast and i suppose it supports it Jan 11 14:53:50 no idea Jan 11 14:53:57 yep, this channel is maemo right? Jan 11 14:54:04 I doubt it very much Jan 11 14:54:05 I test to N900 Jan 11 14:54:07 :) Jan 11 14:54:19 mueddib: not many people install servers on n900 Jan 11 14:54:27 $ uname -ar Jan 11 14:54:27 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux Jan 11 14:54:29 mostly because its used behind nat (gsm) Jan 11 14:54:54 as for lack of php support, refer to the packages authors what did they compiled them with Jan 11 14:55:11 KotCzarny, hm I understand thank you N900 support to mysql nginx and php but nginx not support to PHP I don't find to FPM Jan 11 14:55:40 FPM? Jan 11 14:55:40 fastcgi package not here to repos Jan 11 14:55:41 ie. if you installed them from extras repository, its up to the person that created such package Jan 11 14:56:07 if you compiled it yourself, you should refer to nginx docs how to add php support Jan 11 14:56:20 KotCzarny okay sir thank you. Jan 11 14:56:42 I read to documents, Nginx need to fastcgi or php-fpm but I don't find to php-fpm Jan 11 14:57:16 I'm googled and not found solutions Jan 11 14:57:18 :) Jan 11 14:57:50 find some installation instructions how to make them work together maybe or what are the dependencies Jan 11 14:58:56 mueddib: nginx wiki has documentation on how to add a fcgi upstream Jan 11 14:59:26 as for php, you'll probably need a fcgi wrapper Jan 11 14:59:35 like fastcgi, or php-fcgi Jan 11 15:00:03 I guess php-fpm wasn't included in vanilla php / default build options when php was built for maemo Jan 11 15:00:39 bencoh, fcgi not there to repos, are you sugest to install fcgi source code? Jan 11 15:02:13 mueddib: I suggest you first learn how to configure/run nginx+php on a standard debian Jan 11 15:02:20 then compare with what is already available on maemo Jan 11 15:03:12 bencoh, Debian Nginx need to fastcgi or php-fpm Jan 11 15:03:45 well then I suggest you have a look at debian fastcgi package and port it to maemo, if it's not available Jan 11 15:04:17 bencoh hmm I understand but debian arm package php-fpm install to n900? Jan 11 16:20:43 I wonder, is N900 currently still worth to get? Jan 11 16:21:07 depends on your use case/needs Jan 11 16:21:31 if you want browser capable of handling lots of pics or js, no Jan 11 16:21:46 if you want social media integration, no Jan 11 16:21:58 if you want tiny linux machine with phone function, yes Jan 11 16:21:59 ok, thanks Jan 11 16:50:59 NeKit: that depends on whether you like it or not, no? Jan 11 16:53:14 just curious to see Fremantle, but I fear that I won't be able to use it much Jan 11 16:53:56 go to used phones store and check if they have it? Jan 11 16:53:56 N900 is *your* phone, you have complete control over every single aspect how it works. With e.g. android, you basically 'lease' a phone from the manufacturer and you may *use* it, in the ways the manufacturer and app providers make available to you Jan 11 16:56:53 it's not particularly powerful, so 'modern' websites bloated with jumping gnomes and blonking signs are likely to not perform well on it. Also many apps nowadays are closed blobs and their developers do a huge amount of effort to keep it like that, means you e.g. won't find a working whatsapp for a device as open as N900 since whatsapp doesn't provide a client and nobody can reverse engineer their closed shit Jan 11 16:58:16 http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Jan 11 16:59:32 not WhatsApp user, thankfully, but Telegram could be useful, for which there is CLI-only(?) client avaiable Jan 11 17:04:16 I don't know, since I don't use any of those "social media" stuff. Generally I'd not rely on it being stable - we had a working whatsapp client a while ago, then whatsapp invested some more effort in actively stopping any such 3rd party clients Jan 11 17:05:24 please always keep in mind those services are focused on making money. According to the age old saying: "either you're the customer or you are the *product*" Jan 11 17:05:48 telegram doesn't make any money afaik Jan 11 17:05:49 (yet) Jan 11 17:05:51 nothing ever is for free, even death cost your life Jan 11 17:07:17 whatever those service providers need to do to monetize their service, they for sure will, sooner or later Jan 11 17:08:00 and there's ZILCH you can do about it, except outright refusing to use such "free leete stuff" Jan 11 17:09:26 at google you pay with *all* your data. at whatsapp you at least pay with getting shanghaied by Suckerberg Jan 11 17:09:33 you *always* pay Jan 11 17:10:12 I'd prefer to pay with my data than with my money Jan 11 17:10:25 it's mindboggling how many people are just not aware of this very trivial fact of life Jan 11 17:11:58 anyway, I saw latest GTK3 porting effort. In theory, it could be used with libhybris to run on modern hardware, as long as there is a way to get OpenGL in Xorg? Jan 11 17:13:07 nekit, it requires clutter, not particular opengl(es) version Jan 11 17:16:51 NeKit: telegram more or less works with pidgin btw Jan 11 17:18:09 regarding gtk3 port it might work with libhybris indeed Jan 11 17:19:14 it could actually be an interesting way of getting a new user/dev base Jan 11 17:19:36 since it would target more devices. just like jolla did with sailfishos Jan 11 18:24:17 im happy with my telegram integration to pidgin now Jan 11 18:24:42 and pidgin integrates nicely to maemo too Jan 11 18:24:52 thanks to sicelo- :) Jan 11 18:29:16 is clutter generally used by Hildon compositor or by most of apps too? Jan 11 18:29:31 by hildon desktop Jan 11 19:30:15 I am looking to use a decent bluetooth keyboard on N900 Jan 11 19:30:34 any recommendations on that? Jan 11 19:31:02 I tried to use 1byone foldable keyboard, but did not get it to work on N900 yet Jan 11 19:34:29 twiddler? Jan 11 20:14:47 Maybe the Microsoft universal keyboard? Jan 11 20:15:12 I am actually looking for standard layout Jan 11 20:25:06 ravelo: did you install extkbd package? makes life easy Jan 11 21:22:21 awesome. it workks really good, yes Jan 11 21:22:46 ah, echan. sorry Jan 11 21:46:03 Vajb: what do you use for pidgin integration? Jan 11 21:46:20 and how well does telegram work with pidgin, btw? Jan 11 21:49:41 I had a keysonic keyboard paired to my N900 for a while, worked ok with extkbd Jan 11 23:31:17 Question : I copy el-v1.db to elsewhere, ask sqlite to dump all of it into read.sql file, and then cat read.sql | grep unique quit message of somebody on IRC channel. No results. Where are join and quit events stored, then? Jan 11 23:32:53 Because it's annoying to see how sometimes telepathy-idle, instead of just stating number of participants, goes "X has joined\n6 has joined\nZ has joined" and so on, lots of space-taking lines for all members of a channel. Jan 11 23:33:14 Maybe there not stored Jan 11 23:35:49 They are not stored?.. Good question. Entirely possible. Yes, looks like it. Not ideal, but something cannot need a repair if it doesn't exist. Jan 11 23:36:39 I have a pidgin plugin to hide all that rubbish on desktop. Jan 11 23:36:55 How are they displayed, then? Because closing-opening the window each time scrolling becomes difficult is not ideal... Jan 11 23:46:22 oh it's now possible to use telegram purple plugin on N900? Jan 11 23:46:32 glad to here that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 12 03:00:01 2017