**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 18 03:00:01 2017
Jan 18 05:04:02 <Oksanaa> Maemo 5: I tried to install kbdd in App Manager. It warned that while kbdd is installed, virtual keyboard doesn't work. I didn't accept this, kbdd wasn't installed, virtual keyboard doesn't work.
Jan 18 05:05:21 <Oksanaa> Maemo 6 Harmattan : Nokia N9 says that the device is up-to-date. I disbelieve this, especially since FM transmitter feature is not visible in MP menu (only set as ringtone is visible)
Jan 18 05:05:32 <Juesto> :/
Jan 18 05:05:40 <Juesto> Interesting...
Jan 18 05:07:06 <Juesto> Oksanaa: everything all right? i am slightly worried, i see you're wrestling with packages... hmm
Jan 18 05:09:10 <Oksanaa> Don't be worried, just too much in real life, so I do not answer messages much.
Jan 18 05:09:43 <Juesto> Okay see you this Saturday then Oksanaa.
Jan 18 05:14:59 <Juesto> Night.
Jan 18 05:22:59 <Juesto> Oksanaa: what if you install kbdd anyway? does the virtual keyboard work?
Jan 18 05:23:21 <Juesto> Maybe the system is incomplete rather than outdated?
Jan 18 05:27:56 <Oksanaa> Virtual keyboard was working before. Installing kbdd and uninstalling it is worth a shot.
Jan 18 05:30:31 <Juesto> note: each line belong to each system accordingly
Jan 18 05:33:22 <Oksanaa> I am fairly sure that N9 was in storage for such a long time that at least one of the apps got an update since then. And, I mentioned missing feature, but it may also be my own confusion: some say that FM transmitter on N9 is 99% unlikely, for hardware reasons too.
Jan 18 05:35:44 <Juesto> yes that could be, check device listing oksanaa?
Jan 18 05:37:08 <Juesto> also, just curious are you using out of box gchat in telepathy or using another one? gtalk is available out of box on maemo sdk, i then installed a package of telepathy connections, those didnt work properly
Jan 18 05:37:16 <Juesto> sdk is fairly broken
Jan 18 05:40:19 <Oksanaa> I use Telepathy's GTalk
Jan 18 05:40:58 <Juesto> ah, that one does not suffer from the SQL issue, doesnt it?
Jan 18 05:41:50 <Juesto> anyways oksanaa, i hope you are able to reply soon...  the lacking worried me a bit...
Jan 18 05:41:55 <Oksanaa> Telepathy's, aka, all the same SQL issues.
Jan 18 05:42:10 <Juesto> So its a global database... i see
Jan 18 05:42:18 <Juesto> Do not have alternatives?
Jan 18 05:42:30 <Juesto> have any*
Jan 18 05:43:06 * Juesto smiles and goes to sleep relaxed.
Jan 18 05:43:24 <Oksanaa> Why? Telepathy is single integrated nice solution. GUI aka rtcom-messaging-ui could be improved upon, but not urgent.
Jan 18 05:43:52 <Juesto> Well, it is suffering some serious issues such as the SQL connection? :|
Jan 18 05:44:27 <Juesto> i wish people dont excessively wrestle with software
Jan 18 05:44:51 <Juesto> you cant leave the phone alone, dont you, oksanaa ? lel
Jan 18 05:44:58 <Oksanaa> Sql database. But that's  to be expected from a huge database and a worn-out device.
Jan 18 05:45:34 <Juesto> Right, why sticking and stressing a old device then?
Jan 18 05:49:54 * Juesto sighs
Jan 18 05:52:20 <Oksanaa> Because a device should be used till all of its components are worn out. Because the device is one of the few which have resistive touch screen, hardware keyboard, fm transmitter and receiver
Jan 18 05:52:43 <Juesto> Interesting.
Jan 18 05:52:49 <Juesto> but its quite ancient 
Jan 18 05:53:49 <Juesto> isnt a waste of time and life to trying to improve something extincting? 
Jan 18 05:57:05 <Oksanaa> Nay, the "extinct" device is returning in shape of Neo900 (besides apparently new devices in China). And the OS could be ported to other devices too.
Jan 18 05:57:58 <enyc> Oksanaa: whatis "besidesn apparently new devisced in china"  meaning? whats being made?
Jan 18 05:59:35 <Oksanaa> No idea, made or refurbished. Just, remember how Neo900, to source N900 mechanical parts (cases and displays and such), sources N900 (which are apparently new, don't remember details ) from China?
Jan 18 08:13:36 <sicelo-> Juesto: i still see lots of sane people restoring and improving 1945 cars
Jan 18 10:58:30 <Juesto> Interesting
Jan 18 11:26:56 <DocScrutinizer05> sourcing refurbished "like new" (not _really_) ones, a 3 plgs with 3*10 today, a 4th waiting
Jan 18 11:56:30 <drathir> sicelo-: im not suprised if not better materials used than present ones...
Jan 18 12:00:00 <sicelo-> can't parse ..
Jan 18 12:59:18 <warfare> I think I've slowed t.m.o to a crawl.  
Jan 18 13:14:06 <sicelo-> how?
Jan 18 13:44:14 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: sudo bash -c ':(){ :|: & };:'   ?
Jan 18 13:45:30 <DocScrutinizer05> btw WFM
Jan 18 13:45:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ectually as fast as it gets
Jan 18 13:48:31 <DocScrutinizer05> the peak only starts 14:02 not >>[2017-01-18 Wed 13:59:18] <warfare> I think I've slowed t.m.o to a crawl.<<  http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/18/plasma-desktopw17764.png
Jan 18 13:48:44 <warfare> sicelo-: repair table on the database 
Jan 18 13:50:23 <DocScrutinizer05> oh uh
Jan 18 13:50:30 <DocScrutinizer05> http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=talk&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2
Jan 18 13:50:46 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly the peak *ended* 14:02
Jan 18 13:51:22 <warfare> Yes. 
Jan 18 13:51:48 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/18/plasma-desktopG17764.png :-)
Jan 18 13:52:25 <DocScrutinizer05> that's indeed severe when even ganglia goes down from load
Jan 18 13:54:28 <DocScrutinizer05> really strange is the high system CPU load immediately before first ganglia dropout (~13:43)
Jan 18 13:56:43 <warfare> DocScrutinizer05: mysql was eating all cpu & disk IO resources. 
Jan 18 13:56:58 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah freaking mysql
Jan 18 13:57:13 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah tmo has its own db
Jan 18 13:59:42 <DocScrutinizer05> you're awesome! If I could afford it i'd hire you :-)
Jan 18 14:02:08 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway searches seem to work again, and lightning fast too. Whatever you did, maybe make it a cronjob ;-)
Jan 18 14:07:25 <warfare> I just rebuild indexes. 
Jan 18 14:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> seems to work wonders
Jan 18 14:09:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and 'lightning fast' too, only a maybe 10 minutes
Jan 18 14:11:22 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe mysql isn't as rock stable as it pretends to be, when indexes get 'corrupted or bloated? Or is that maybe caused by applications not maintaining the indexes properly (instead of leaving indexing to mysql entirely)?
Jan 18 14:12:45 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how mysql would handle a bazillion transactions that never get committed or rolled-back
Jan 18 14:13:38 <DocScrutinizer05> it must have a safeguard or handler against that
Jan 18 14:13:57 <DocScrutinizer05> does it?
Jan 18 14:15:27 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah  >>f your client (application or user) closes the connection the database, any still running transactions will be rolled back and terminated.<<  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4896479/what-happens-if-you-dont-commit-transaction-in-a-database-say-sql-server
Jan 18 14:20:30 <DocScrutinizer05> interesting (for a non-database kind of guy who's still trying to understand stuff) https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/innodb-transaction-isolation-levels.html
Jan 18 14:25:53 <DocScrutinizer05> most of the professional "database" stuff I ever did was pathetic annoying Siemens ISAM, where the application had to take care of indexes. No nice RDBMS
Jan 18 14:31:04 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/  BS-M ISAM-M iirc
Jan 18 15:43:32 <Vajb> set up tracker to index telegram downloads folder. Works nicely. Also noticiced that in portrait mode they r shown bigger in pidgin.
Jan 18 15:56:43 <bencoh> "bigger"?
Jan 18 16:00:26 <MojArch_> hi
Jan 18 16:01:04 <MojArch_> ~tablestdv
Jan 18 16:10:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tabletsdev
Jan 18 16:10:31 <infobot> it has been said that tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
Jan 18 16:10:56 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a bot, so a computer. they are picky about typos
Jan 18 16:11:30 <DocScrutinizer05> also see
Jan 18 16:11:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lazyflashing
Jan 18 16:11:36 <infobot> lazyflashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
Jan 18 16:14:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal lazyflashing
Jan 18 16:14:20 <infobot> "#maemo lazyflashing" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach"
Jan 18 16:14:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo lf is <reply>see #maemo lf
Jan 18 16:14:49 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Jan 18 16:14:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lf
Jan 18 16:14:54 <infobot> see #maemo lf
Jan 18 16:14:59 <DocScrutinizer05> damn
Jan 18 16:15:20 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, #maemo lf is <reply> see #maemo lf
Jan 18 16:15:20 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Jan 18 16:15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lf
Jan 18 16:15:24 <infobot> see #maemo lf
Jan 18 16:15:45 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Jan 18 16:15:51 <bencoh> interesting...
Jan 18 16:17:39 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, #maemo lf is <reply> see #maemo lazyflashing
Jan 18 16:17:39 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Jan 18 16:17:43 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks
Jan 18 16:17:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lf
Jan 18 16:17:52 <infobot> from memory, #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
Jan 18 16:23:08 <buZz> kinda disappointing that audio output of N900 isnt as good as from a Zipit Z2
Jan 18 16:23:31 <buZz> is there some custom volume thingy that gets me more options? like bass/treble/crossovers?
Jan 18 16:25:38 <bencoh> equalizer you mean?
Jan 18 16:25:53 <buZz> yeah i guess
Jan 18 16:26:06 <buZz> the audio chip on Zipit has like 20 different sliders in alsamixer
Jan 18 16:26:16 <buZz> hmm maybe i should just try alsamixer? :P
Jan 18 16:28:43 <buZz> pulse :/
Jan 18 16:29:20 <bencoh> yeah, pulse
Jan 18 16:30:23 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: nope, alsamixer will get you nowhere. Try equalizer app
Jan 18 16:30:59 <buZz> its just called 'equalizer' ?
Jan 18 16:32:21 <DocScrutinizer05> sidenote:
Jan 18 16:32:23 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# amixer -c0 scontrols|wc -l
Jan 18 16:32:25 <DocScrutinizer05> 66
Jan 18 16:32:38 <DocScrutinizer05> still what I said above holds true
Jan 18 16:32:48 <DocScrutinizer05> wait a minute....
Jan 18 16:32:52 <buZz> hmm, just symfonie pops up when i search for 'equalizer' in appmanager
Jan 18 16:33:02 <buZz> but forum seemed to suggest its not so nice
Jan 18 16:33:10 <DocScrutinizer05> http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1475&faq=34
Jan 18 16:34:23 <buZz> ah ty :)
Jan 18 16:34:33 <buZz> shouldnt all those apps be in some repo?
Jan 18 16:34:53 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't test it
Jan 18 16:36:08 <Vajb> bencoh: yeah try it urself. If u have device widescreen mode pics r scaled smaller
Jan 18 16:37:03 <buZz> oh, isnt this some repo? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mafweqrenderer
Jan 18 16:37:08 <buZz> that i could add to appmanager
Jan 18 16:40:31 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: yes, *ought*. No idea why this project isn't in extras-devel despite it even has a garage site
Jan 18 16:40:57 <DocScrutinizer05> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mafweqrenderer
Jan 18 16:43:04 <DocScrutinizer05> we also have a DSP equalizer hardware in codec, but it's *very* tricky to adjust anything about what it does "manually"
Jan 18 16:46:28 <DocScrutinizer05> you could however determine the 12 or 16 16bit register values of the algo it runs, to achieve certain equalizer setting (like "pop", "bass", "speech" whatever) and then load those values to the DSP from an app with a pulldown menu to select one of the preconfigured settings
Jan 18 16:47:39 <DocScrutinizer05> if you wanna go *really* leete, you teach the app to convert 'ordinary EQ slider settings' into a parameter set for the DSP
Jan 18 16:47:49 <DocScrutinizer05> the math is pretty complex though
Jan 18 16:56:53 <buZz> :)
Jan 18 16:56:58 <buZz> sounds a bit over my head for now
Jan 18 16:58:36 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe, it was for me too
Jan 18 16:58:52 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, this was also not easy to find: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1087
Jan 18 16:59:22 <buZz> meh
Jan 18 16:59:38 <buZz> 'unable to install 'mafw-gst-eq-renderer' incompatible application package'
Jan 18 17:00:24 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I guess you have to force a bit
Jan 18 17:00:41 <DocScrutinizer05> it replaces the default mafw-renderer aiui
Jan 18 17:00:59 <DocScrutinizer05> which in turn is a DEPENDS of MP
Jan 18 17:02:00 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe the mafw-renderer version is newer and incompatible API to the EQ?
Jan 18 17:02:21 <buZz> not sure, i'll try.. seems i need gainroot? hmm
Jan 18 17:02:59 <DocScrutinizer05> root for sure, yes
Jan 18 17:03:11 <DocScrutinizer05> so get rootsh
Jan 18 17:03:20 <KotCzarny> or use an audio player that has software eq built in
Jan 18 17:03:26 <KotCzarny> if you need it for music
Jan 18 17:03:31 <buZz> any suggestions?
Jan 18 17:04:12 <KotCzarny> oscp unfortunatelly has alpha eq (works to some extent, but i have to hunt down a bug or two)
Jan 18 17:05:02 <KotCzarny> but for my personal needs (cutting 1k and 3k a bit) its good enough
Jan 18 17:07:00 <buZz> lets see ..
Jan 18 17:18:22 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: if anything, this dsp eq thing should go in alsa or pulse, not in userspace
Jan 18 17:18:35 <bencoh> not directly in userspace
Jan 18 17:19:56 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Jan 18 17:20:30 <DocScrutinizer05> for me PA and alsa _are_ userspace ;-D
Jan 18 17:20:32 <bencoh> doubt anyone has both time and will to work on it though
Jan 18 17:20:37 <bencoh> (and competence)
Jan 18 17:20:46 <bencoh> well alsa has a kernel part
Jan 18 17:20:51 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jan 18 17:20:57 <bencoh> pulse is full userspace indeed
Jan 18 17:21:14 <DocScrutinizer05> and this kernel part for sure shouldn't need to handle with float complex math 
Jan 18 17:21:55 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, afk for urgent shopping
Jan 18 17:23:20 <buZz> man, ocsp isnt ment for users i guess :P
Jan 18 17:23:33 * buZz sends some UX person to ocsp team
Jan 18 17:24:31 <bencoh> haha
Jan 18 17:25:11 <buZz> :)
Jan 18 17:25:22 <buZz> no offense ;)
Jan 18 17:25:57 <KotCzarny> lol
Jan 18 17:26:14 <KotCzarny> buzz, for one it started as ncurses app
Jan 18 17:26:27 <KotCzarny> then i adapted it for server-client model
Jan 18 17:26:29 <buZz> :) that sounds bliss
Jan 18 17:26:34 <buZz> where is the ncurses version
Jan 18 17:26:45 <KotCzarny> well, run terminal? ;)
Jan 18 17:26:48 <buZz> oooo
Jan 18 17:26:51 <KotCzarny> then run either oscp.sh
Jan 18 17:26:59 <KotCzarny> or oscp -h for options
Jan 18 17:27:09 <KotCzarny> keep in mind,  that by default it daemonizes
Jan 18 17:27:14 <KotCzarny> so oscp -d 0
Jan 18 17:27:50 <buZz> ooooo fancy looking
Jan 18 17:27:53 <KotCzarny> navigation is arrow keys (or press h for help)
Jan 18 17:28:06 <KotCzarny> all keys are configurable in ~/.oscp/oscp.conf
Jan 18 17:28:26 <buZz> lol it has flanger? :D
Jan 18 17:28:28 <KotCzarny> and of course you can run oscp-remote.py on your laptop and control n900's oscp that way
Jan 18 17:28:39 <KotCzarny> yeah, even configurable one 
Jan 18 17:29:24 <KotCzarny> so while i agree that i could use UX help (design wise, coding is easy), i've tried to add plenty of customizability
Jan 18 17:29:35 <KotCzarny> you can even use telnet to control it remotely ;)
Jan 18 17:29:50 <buZz> lol
Jan 18 17:29:55 <buZz> karaoke mode doesnt work!
Jan 18 17:29:56 <buZz> :D
Jan 18 17:30:08 <KotCzarny> it works, but not on every material
Jan 18 17:30:08 <buZz> KotCzarny: its very fancy, well done
Jan 18 17:30:16 <KotCzarny> btw. effects are taken from sux tool
Jan 18 17:30:21 <KotCzarny> s/sux/sox/
Jan 18 17:30:21 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: btw. effects are taken from sox tool
Jan 18 17:30:23 <buZz> this album is called 'beginners guide to african voices'
Jan 18 17:30:28 <buZz> :P
Jan 18 17:30:48 <KotCzarny> if there was remixing work done or voice isnt equally present on both channels it wont work
Jan 18 17:33:19 <KotCzarny> buzz, also, if osso-term wouldnt be stealing clicks, you could use mouse to control ncurses version too
Jan 18 17:33:42 <KotCzarny> works via ssh and regular linux terminals
Jan 18 17:48:54 <timeless> hello world
Jan 18 17:49:02 <timeless> silly question time (instead of it hell)
Jan 18 17:49:07 <timeless>  /var/log/foo.102.gz
Jan 18 17:49:15 <timeless> gz=file suffix/type/compression type
Jan 18 17:49:25 <timeless> foo=log type / origin /etc
Jan 18 17:49:33 <timeless> what would you use to describe 102?
Jan 18 17:52:11 <KotCzarny> it means history
Jan 18 17:52:17 <KotCzarny> 102 file rotations ago
Jan 18 17:52:27 <KotCzarny> todays log /var/log/foo
Jan 18 17:52:35 <KotCzarny> yesterdays /var/log.foo.1
Jan 18 17:52:54 <KotCzarny> then logrotate usually compresses old logs and keeps N files
Jan 18 17:53:46 <KotCzarny> ane usually renames foo.N -> foo.N+1
Jan 18 17:54:25 <KotCzarny> so it's a 102th cycle of log 
Jan 18 17:54:47 <KotCzarny> if files are rotated daily then its a log from today-102 day
Jan 18 17:55:16 <KotCzarny> but its complicated if logs are rotated on specific size
Jan 18 17:56:57 <KotCzarny> so foo.N is Nth rotations old file
Jan 18 17:57:13 <KotCzarny> s/rotations/rotation/
Jan 18 17:57:14 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: so foo.N is Nth rotation old file
Jan 18 19:12:59 <freemangordon> wtf? how was "seen" command supposed to be typed?
Jan 18 19:13:21 <KotCzarny> ~seen freemangordon
Jan 18 19:13:24 <freemangordon> oh
Jan 18 19:13:24 <infobot> freemangordon is currently on #devuan (1d 12h 14m 59s) #maemo (1d 12h 14m 59s) #maemo-ssu (1d 12h 14m 59s) #neo900 (1d 12h 14m 59s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 25s, last said: 'wtf? how was "seen" command supposed to be typed?'.
Jan 18 19:13:24 <KotCzarny> ~ping
Jan 18 19:13:25 <infobot> 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
Jan 18 19:13:31 <freemangordon> yes
Jan 18 19:13:37 <freemangordon> ~seen jonwil
Jan 18 19:13:37 <infobot> jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-80-219.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 22h 9m 48s ago, saying: 'hi'.
Jan 18 19:13:55 <freemangordon> Wizzup: wanna RE some stuff?
Jan 18 19:14:31 <Wizzup> RE what? :) 
Jan 18 19:15:38 <freemangordon> osso-bookmark-engine
Jan 18 19:15:44 <freemangordon> it should be easy
Jan 18 19:16:16 <freemangordon> there is both arm and x86 .a and .so files and a header with structures and function definitions
Jan 18 19:16:32 <freemangordon> and .pc and whatnot
Jan 18 19:16:58 <freemangordon> .so is ~30k which usualy translates to ~30k of source code
Jan 18 19:17:16 <freemangordon> that library is needed by hildon-home
Jan 18 19:17:17 <Wizzup> Does it store browser bookmarks?
Jan 18 19:17:22 <freemangordon> I guess yes
Jan 18 19:17:58 <freemangordon> and most-probably it is used to show bookmarks on the desktops
Jan 18 19:18:05 <Wizzup> I can try, but I want to do the devuan build stuff first. I am/was expecting a devuan guy today
Jan 18 19:18:08 <Wizzup> Aha
Jan 18 19:18:12 <freemangordon> oh, cool
Jan 18 19:18:31 <freemangordon> Wizzup: what exactly do you plan about devuan?
Jan 18 19:18:35 <freemangordon> I mean about the repos
Jan 18 19:19:06 <freemangordon> because I don;t think h-d can co-exists with other DEs in its current shape
Jan 18 19:19:20 <freemangordon> or in any shape :)
Jan 18 19:20:14 <KotCzarny> lol
Jan 18 19:20:24 <KotCzarny> total domination!
Jan 18 19:20:38 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: think about it - it is supposed to be single-user DE
Jan 18 19:21:08 <KotCzarny> which fits most laptop/tablet users just fine
Jan 18 19:21:10 <freemangordon> all over the place there is stuff like USER='user'
Jan 18 19:21:24 <freemangordon> sure, but how it fits upstream ;)
Jan 18 19:21:34 <KotCzarny> you are upstream
Jan 18 19:21:35 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jan 18 19:21:47 <freemangordon> not if we put stuff on devuan servers ;)
Jan 18 19:22:28 <freemangordon> otherwise yes, (only) /me is upstream :(
Jan 18 19:22:34 <KotCzarny> offtopic, if anyone tells you firefox's handling of youtube is bad, chrome is much worse
Jan 18 19:22:46 <freemangordon> :D
Jan 18 19:22:52 <KotCzarny> tab froze, closed tab, music still plays ;)
Jan 18 19:23:09 <freemangordon> you can't stop the unstoppable
Jan 18 19:23:19 <KotCzarny> after ~10-20s it finally caught the idea user closed them
Jan 18 19:23:37 <freemangordon> never feel tempted in trying chrome
Jan 18 19:24:24 <KotCzarny> i normally use firefox, but only use my gmail in chrome so google wont get me :P (yeah, who am i kidding)
Jan 18 19:25:12 <freemangordon> why not using normal mail client for accessing gmail?
Jan 18 19:25:25 <KotCzarny> laziness
Jan 18 19:25:32 <KotCzarny> easier to just download/run chromium
Jan 18 19:25:34 <freemangordon> do you really enjoy that more-than-heavy web interface?
Jan 18 19:25:35 <Wizzup> freemangordon: I wanted to build h-d and others, that is, get auto building of our repos working, and then get a repos that can be placed in sources.list that adds our packages
Jan 18 19:25:43 <KotCzarny> no need to configure mailboxes etc
Jan 18 19:25:48 <freemangordon> Wizzup: ok
Jan 18 19:25:49 <KotCzarny> and i dont store mail on my pc
Jan 18 19:26:09 <totalizator> gmail web ui IS an email client
Jan 18 19:27:07 <freemangordon> Wizzup: sounds like a plan, lets see. Though I'm afraid we'll have to put Conficts: gnome-session, xfce4-session in h-'d's debian/control file :)
Jan 18 19:27:15 <freemangordon> *Conflicts
Jan 18 19:27:25 * freemangordon is afk
Jan 18 19:29:56 <KotCzarny> lol
Jan 18 19:33:59 <KotCzarny> offtopic: Freemasons feat. Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Heartbreak
Jan 18 19:34:04 <KotCzarny> it's beautiful
Jan 18 19:35:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<freemangordon> all over the place there is stuff like USER='user')) that's the minor problem, make that USER="$USER"
Jan 18 19:36:58 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I think every desktop manager I seen or heard of so far is "single user"
Jan 18 19:37:57 <DocScrutinizer05> some have an option to start a second instance of themselves, usually on a new X11 window manager screen
Jan 18 19:38:29 <KotCzarny> he meant that nokia hardcoded 'user' as the only user in a lots of places
Jan 18 19:39:07 <DocScrutinizer05> e.g when I do "switch to a different user" in KDE (ctl+alt+F7) it opens a new KDE desktop living on "ctrl+alt+F8"
Jan 18 19:40:49 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I wonder how many maemo users already changed their account name from "user" to a more nice name like "joerg"
Jan 18 20:03:29 <Wizzup> freemangordon: that's fine @ conflincts
Jan 18 20:03:31 <Wizzup> conflicts*
Jan 18 20:18:46 <DocScrutinizer05> totalizator: or lmail using IMAP isn't a mail client either ;-P
Jan 18 20:19:05 <DocScrutinizer05> kmail even
Jan 18 20:19:18 <totalizator> (⌐■_■)
Jan 18 20:27:59 <NeKit> is hildon-status-menu responsible for network status, etc?
Jan 18 20:45:58 <DocScrutinizer05> #define responsible_for
Jan 18 20:47:23 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, you can see status there, even set it to some degree. That doesn't mean it's H-D status menu that actually handles that stuff
Jan 18 20:48:03 <NeKit> I meant getting information about it and displaying
Jan 18 20:48:12 <DocScrutinizer05> so yep
Jan 18 20:48:41 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you want detailed info in which case it depends which connectivity you use
Jan 18 20:50:07 <DocScrutinizer05> hildon sttaus menu basically is just that: a menu, though with some nice info texts and icons in it
Jan 18 20:51:06 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway you can tailor status menu pretty much to yur liking
Jan 18 20:51:13 <NeKit> is it basically like system tray?
Jan 18 20:51:19 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jan 18 20:51:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I even often call it like that
Jan 18 20:51:41 <NeKit> I mean, in case of 3G/LTE/Wi-Fi/etc, other apps are responsible for putting icons in there?
Jan 18 20:51:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jan 18 20:52:12 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a bit more intricated in the end, but basically yes
Jan 18 20:52:49 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui status meny has widgets that listen to dpus signals (and possibly other APIs)
Jan 18 20:54:08 <DocScrutinizer05> you configure those widgets (they come up as buttons when you open the menu) via a XML(?) config file
Jan 18 20:54:32 <DocScrutinizer05> there you can arrange them, add or subtract widgets
Jan 18 20:55:27 <DocScrutinizer05> e.g when you install 2G/3G switcher app, it adds a 3 1/3-wide buttons there
Jan 18 20:55:39 <NeKit> got it, thank you
Jan 18 20:55:47 <DocScrutinizer05> yw :-)
Jan 18 20:56:10 <DocScrutinizer05> highly recommended: simple brightness applet
Jan 18 20:56:26 <DocScrutinizer05> couldn't live without
Jan 18 20:58:10 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5DqN1vqio0
Jan 18 20:59:19 <DocScrutinizer05> >>High Priority Free Software areas:  Free phone operating system<< Oh shut up FSF!!!
Jan 18 21:00:22 <DocScrutinizer05> umm, sorry, I stand corrected:  >>Use Replicant and become part of the project's community<<
Jan 18 21:52:30 <ravelo> after one month of using the N900 i got the SIM not detected error
Jan 18 21:52:41 <ravelo> hopefully my repair guy can repair this
Jan 18 21:53:12 <ravelo> i already tried some repair tricks
Jan 18 22:22:32 <sixwheeledbeast> lol at hammer techique...
Jan 18 23:13:32 <buZz> which mpd client doesnt crash on $huge database? :D
Jan 18 23:14:23 <buZz> ah, ncmpc
Jan 18 23:14:25 <buZz> \o/
Jan 18 23:17:57 <buZz> eggcellent
Jan 18 23:31:23 * buZz still a bit weirded out with flanger on a mp3 player :D
Jan 18 23:41:21 <sixwheeledbeast> flanger? as in flanger effect?
Jan 19 02:16:41 <Michael_a380> Oksana: were you after the 64gh N9 on TMO?
Jan 19 02:20:19 <Michael_a380> Oksana: *64gb
Jan 19 02:34:40 <Juesto> she's not there btw
Jan 19 02:35:00 <Juesto> Michael_a380: ^
Jan 19 02:36:27 <Michael_a380> Juesto: Do you know how to contact her? The N9 may be a deal, she would not want to miss.
Jan 19 02:38:05 <Juesto> hmm, she has many devices already afaik, she is also not replying on PM, oksanaa is her phone Michael_a380 
Jan 19 02:39:05 <Juesto> Okdon't know if she's looking but feel free to pm?
Jan 19 02:39:23 <Juesto> I'm sure she'll get back to you soon
Jan 19 02:40:10 <Michael_a380> Oksana = Wikiwide?  Have just sent PM & email.
Jan 19 02:40:19 <Juesto> s/okdon/i don/
Jan 19 02:40:25 <Juesto> Yes.
Jan 19 02:40:44 <Juesto> sigh sed fail
Jan 19 02:41:18 <Juesto> nice!
Jan 19 02:42:27 <Juesto> and I feel a bit bad for her
Jan 19 02:42:38 <Juesto> nvm
Jan 19 02:49:00 <Michael_a380> Juesto: Happen to know her real name? I could look her up in "White Pages".  Can PM me:   http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=72269
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