**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 22 03:00:00 2017 Jan 22 03:24:18 hey... so... if i've gotten my N900's battery just slightly flat by not using it forever and not removing it... is there any new trick on how to resuscitate it without using external hardware? Jan 22 05:31:19 sixwheeledbeast: yes u guessed right Jan 22 05:33:57 Juesto: i deny writing from all users and also set them read only. No effect. Tried setting registry value for it, no effect either. Jan 22 05:35:05 guess i'll just leave it be and delete useless bookmarks next time i visit :) Jan 22 07:07:41 Sicelo: if u like u can try to combile newer libwebp for telegram purple :) Jan 22 07:32:25 Vajb: it might already be implemented in recent telegram-purple versions Jan 22 07:55:44 bencoh: oh,there is new version for maemo? Jan 22 07:56:08 or will any telegram-purple work with it? Jan 22 08:10:34 nope, latest maemo version is still 1.5yo Jan 22 08:11:05 I tried building latest one but it eventually segfaulted, I'd need to spend more time on this, but... Jan 22 08:20:24 yeah only 24h/d... Jan 22 08:20:39 :) Jan 22 08:21:12 and way too much time debugging stuff already Jan 22 08:21:42 i try next week if those stickers work when converted to .png and shown as smileys Jan 22 08:21:57 stickers? Jan 22 08:22:11 yeah Jan 22 08:22:30 in android version there r stickers Jan 22 08:22:42 and we see them as broken images Jan 22 08:22:57 they r .webp files... Jan 22 08:23:24 and in my theory they all have unique name and so on.... Jan 22 08:24:16 all this just to display smileys? Jan 22 08:25:01 yep, strange world Jan 22 08:25:40 maybe it is just me, but it is annoying when something works for someone, but not for me Jan 22 08:26:33 LjL: have you tried charging with Nokia charger? Jan 22 08:26:37 and i get a lot of "change that piece of.. to something new and shiny" Jan 22 08:26:41 ~flatbattrecover Jan 22 08:26:51 ~ping Jan 22 08:27:12 ~infobotcanyouhearme Jan 22 08:27:15 :( Jan 22 08:28:21 it seems that we don't have infobot atm... Jan 22 08:29:24 I don't use Chrome or Win10 so not much help there, would a different browser be better? Jan 22 08:39:53 i don't know, but i guess it is better to stick with it. If i change chrome to something else they say thay internet is missing.... Jan 22 08:40:04 that* Jan 22 08:57:17 Set a default browser? It all depends on the user in these circumstances. Most browsers for windows will suffer from adware if your un Jan 22 08:57:31 sure what your clicking Jan 22 08:59:49 problem is that they keep clicking that star and bookmar bar is filled with useless crap and when they don't see their three bookmarks there they r lost and ask me to fix it because it is broken Jan 22 09:00:27 i have ads blocked there Jan 22 09:00:52 also i downgraded them to just users so they can't install anything Jan 22 09:01:14 so now it is motly just setting themes straight and deleting bookmarks Jan 22 09:01:24 mostly* Jan 22 09:02:15 i thought that preventing bookmark changes would be easy, but it turns out to be impossible for me Jan 22 09:02:25 ah gtg Jan 22 09:24:25 in firefox I would just remove all the icons from the browser it's flexible like that. Jan 22 10:30:56 I got a friend who is going to Vietnam. Any ideas on the best way to find and buy an N9 (flea market?)? Jan 22 10:32:34 Any issue with cellular (bands) between Vietnam - Australia ? Jan 22 13:03:39 One more step Jan 22 15:39:21 LjL: have you tried charging with Nokia charger? ← thanks, yes, i've tried Jan 22 15:39:41 anyway i impulse-bought a cheap new battery from ebay before going to bed Jan 22 15:39:45 the seller *looks* reliable Jan 22 15:39:54 i saw no complains of non-original batteries in the feedback Jan 22 15:43:16 nice Jan 22 15:43:20 what price? Jan 22 15:45:23 first (and last) time I ordered "original" batteries I ended up with batteries not charging over 800mAh for some strange reason Jan 22 15:45:28 and eventually bought a polarcell Jan 22 15:45:37 * kerio bought a polarcell Jan 22 15:45:44 best battery 20XX Jan 22 15:45:54 well, polarcell capacity does drop over time Jan 22 15:46:19 but it doesn't seem worse than original one, and starts with a slightly higher capacity Jan 22 15:46:32 so it's not that bad Jan 22 15:47:31 what about those 2x thicker batteries? Jan 22 15:47:36 with special backsides Jan 22 15:48:49 mugen? Jan 22 15:49:06 not sure you can still buy it, and ... ENOSPACE anyway :> Jan 22 15:49:13 n900 is big enough as it is :p Jan 22 15:49:27 :) Jan 22 15:51:46 lol, polarcell seller gives 50 euro back if you can find a better battery Jan 22 15:51:46 :P Jan 22 15:51:55 http://www.ebay.nl/itm/PolarCell-Batterie-Nokia-X-6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-5228-XpressMusic-XM-/331336938120 Jan 22 15:55:10 buZz: you're much better off taping two batteries together Jan 22 15:55:18 with those oversized backplates Jan 22 15:56:09 the capacity of mugen batteries was not twice the nokia bl5j Jan 22 15:56:19 and yes i realize that chemical batteries don't work like that but Jan 22 15:57:58 https://dump.bitcheese.net/files/avijeju/n900-cutie.jpeg Jan 22 15:59:58 that's... going a bit too far Jan 22 16:00:53 only 100g heavier Jan 22 16:00:54 wow that's savage Jan 22 16:07:07 uhu Jan 22 16:25:00 L29Ah: 18650 best battery \o/ Jan 22 16:25:58 batterylife of n900 is quite impressive to me Jan 22 16:26:19 without a simcard inside, no autoconnect to wifi, easy 4 days on battery, with actual usage Jan 22 16:30:50 ...usage of what Jan 22 16:30:59 playing solitaire? Jan 22 16:31:19 mp3s, camera, wpa cracking, quake2 Jan 22 16:31:28 but like, 2-3 hours a day i guess Jan 22 16:31:28 oh i thought you said no wifi Jan 22 16:31:29 mugen is around 2000mah when new, but drops quickly to 1900ish Jan 22 16:31:34 kerio: wrong :P Jan 22 16:31:36 buZz: how do you crack wpa Jan 22 16:31:40 hammer Jan 22 16:31:52 i mean, https://wiki.maemo.org/Cleven Jan 22 16:32:11 reaver doesn't count Jan 22 16:32:24 aircrack-ng Jan 22 16:32:34 reaver is for WPS, not WPA Jan 22 16:32:53 still, how Jan 22 16:32:56 bruteforce? Jan 22 16:33:14 yes Jan 22 16:33:22 +deauth Jan 22 16:33:40 wep works fine Jan 22 16:33:44 I dont think I ever tried wpa Jan 22 16:33:51 well, maybe I did, I dont remember Jan 22 16:33:52 its doable :) Jan 22 16:34:02 but yeah, cleven can be useful :) Jan 22 16:34:03 if the password is in your wordlists anyway Jan 22 16:34:10 its not so smart in bruteforcing Jan 22 16:34:15 it doesnt use rulesets :( Jan 22 16:34:51 it does work against numeric-only passwords Jan 22 16:35:08 (yes, there are quite a lot of those around) Jan 22 16:36:32 uhuh Jan 22 16:37:01 bencoh: wep has /several/ weaknesses Jan 22 16:37:05 yeah Jan 22 16:37:07 wpa is a bit more solid Jan 22 16:37:11 "a bit" Jan 22 16:37:31 poor encryption standards in wpa1, but still kind of unbreakable unless you're a TLA Jan 22 16:37:43 if the password is good, ofc Jan 22 17:16:26 buZz, price of battery was €7.60 (including shipping) Jan 22 17:16:38 LjL: and original? Jan 22 17:16:45 can i get a link? :) Jan 22 17:16:48 bencoh, i know, even batteries on amazon prime are confusingly non-original despite claims, according to a few reviews Jan 22 17:17:05 so in this case i thought ebay seemed actually better since at least i get to know which seller i'm buying from Jan 22 17:17:21 on amazon, it's listed as the same item, but multiple sellers, and who knows which reviews refer to which seller Jan 22 17:17:40 buZz, hopefully it's going to be original, but i'll know when i know Jan 22 17:17:49 :) Jan 22 17:18:20 buZz, http://www.ebay.it/itm/152405152721 is link, but the shipping is only going to be that cheap within italy Jan 22 17:18:33 actually they don't even ship to non-italy at least according to ebay details Jan 22 17:18:47 which isn't even surprising considering lithium batteries are banned by airmail now :( Jan 22 17:20:01 wow, nice price Jan 22 17:21:11 buZz, all i know is he repeatedly claims it's original, doesn't have the usual odious "we aren't responsible for shipping" italian sellers tend to have, and the feedback is probably too good for someone selling fakes as original Jan 22 17:21:18 i'll just send him a question about it ;) Jan 22 17:21:25 certainty doesn't exist in this world, but eh Jan 22 17:21:39 :) Jan 22 17:22:27 the thing that worries me a little is that he says he ships it "in a blister", which could be anything from relatively sturdy plastic to almost nothing... and as mail, not as package Jan 22 17:22:38 so if it's "almost nothing" and not properly padded... brrrrr Jan 22 17:23:17 one sure thing is i'll inspect it for at least 10 minutes to spot any bumps or strange things, before trying to charge it Jan 22 17:23:26 (lithium batteries scare me, does it show?) Jan 22 17:34:09 i tried so hard to make a li+ explode Jan 22 17:34:14 thusfar havent succeeded Jan 22 17:36:59 regular li-ion usually behave, kinda Jan 22 17:37:12 lipo can get wild Jan 22 17:37:37 i tried most on lipos Jan 22 17:37:51 specifically overcharging and shorting Jan 22 17:39:10 i also tried shorting it with a nail through it, but nothing happened Jan 22 17:39:23 ah well, some day i'll succeed :D Jan 22 17:39:59 -_- Jan 22 17:52:18 buZz, why would you do that :( Jan 22 17:52:53 have you not read enough horror stories of people's lungs being damaged for life and bones being corroded by hydrofluoric acid from venting lithiums? Jan 22 17:53:20 LjL: death is the only certainty we have in life Jan 22 17:53:23 why avoid that? Jan 22 17:53:32 * LjL hands buZz a shotgun Jan 22 17:53:38 nah too easy Jan 22 17:53:45 * buZz rather makes his own deathtraps :) Jan 22 17:53:53 electric longboard, fixie bicycle, etc Jan 22 17:54:03 besides, venting lithiums don't usually kill you, as mentioned Jan 22 17:54:09 just make you suffer for the rest of your (potentially long) life Jan 22 17:54:52 not sure why you assume i didnt do this in well ventilated area, but sure, keep going :P Jan 22 17:55:23 because it doesn't really matter Jan 22 17:55:35 it's toxic enough it can cause damage even on the top of mount everest Jan 22 17:55:50 cool , so it doesnt matter one bit Jan 22 17:57:51 if only paranoia was contagious ;) Jan 22 18:04:14 buZz, http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?107-Smoke-and-Fire-Hot-Cells-and-Close-Calls-The-dangerous-side-of-batteries Jan 22 18:04:47 pinned thread is lovely (if you love death/disabling events) Jan 22 18:05:01 cool anecdote bro Jan 22 18:05:09 come back when you make it happen ;) Jan 22 18:07:11 I'd say "why?!" as well, but nevermind :) Jan 22 18:14:48 i won't make it happen because i'm not f-ing insane Jan 22 18:26:21 ^_^ Jan 22 18:56:24 ~seen romaxa Jan 22 18:57:38 ~ping Jan 22 18:57:51 DocScrutinizer05: she is dead ^^^ Jan 22 19:23:52 in which sense? Jan 22 19:31:52 as not in this channel Jan 22 19:32:14 infobot... Jan 22 19:49:40 ah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 23 03:00:00 2017